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Tickling/Religion/Guilt & Evil...
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Just a couple random thoughts....
I was at a restaurant this evening and the waitress had the most eloquent "way about her." She seemed to glow confidence and peace in the same moment. She had a nice laugh, rather infectious I might add and the whole of the table seemed to be more pleasant after being seated and listening to her chat for a moment than they were the whole afternoon prior. There were 8 of us sitting there and at least once throughout the meal each person made a comment about our waitress.
She was a lovely woman. Tall, about 5'10" with the softest brown eyes you've ever seen. She had her hair in a short "pixie cut" that frame her face perfectly. Her skin (what you could see of it in her uniform) was the most gorgeous shade of dark caramel I've ever seen. She had the whitest smile....just the most beautiful mouth. Not a lick of makeup on this woman and she was, in a word, stunning. I don't think I've ever in my life seen a natural beauty as gorgeous as this woman....and it wasn't just her face...it was her manner...her movement...her tone of voice. She just took my breath away! I thought to myself, "There is something specialin this woman's life. There is some peace in her."
We were a lively group that chatted about this and that throughout the meal. As we were standing and putting on sweaters and such, about to leave, our waitress walked over to me and asked for a moment of my time. She said, "You have a nice smile. Would you let me share this with you? It's was makes me smile." She handed me one of those little black and white pamphlets that tell the basics of Christianity and has a church logo on it. Normally, I say a polite "No, thank you" and move along my happy way....but this time it felt like a genuine invitation. I thanked her and we shook/held hands for a brief moment. It was surreal.
Now the reason I post this...
Often we as humans look at other people and so easily condemn their religious views because they seem trivial or archaic. We deem them silly or simplistic. A crutch, or a fantasy. We all have done it at some point. BUT - have you ever looked at someone before they ever opened their mouth and just knew that they had something inside of them that seemed like something good to have? Something that could only be found by way of faith? I mean, I'm about as far from the local Baptist church as a person could get, but after meeting the lovely woman all I wanted to do was crouch at the altar and beg for God to do something with me that gave me that kind of steadiness. It wasn't the religion. It was the spirit in the woman that locked onto me and fired! Have any of you ever experienced this....outside of your own faith? It was just so intense and real. SHEESH....just when you think you know everthing! 😉
It was a lovely experience and not likely one I'll forget soon.
Joby
Just a couple random thoughts....
I was at a restaurant this evening and the waitress had the most eloquent "way about her." She seemed to glow confidence and peace in the same moment. She had a nice laugh, rather infectious I might add and the whole of the table seemed to be more pleasant after being seated and listening to her chat for a moment than they were the whole afternoon prior. There were 8 of us sitting there and at least once throughout the meal each person made a comment about our waitress.
She was a lovely woman. Tall, about 5'10" with the softest brown eyes you've ever seen. She had her hair in a short "pixie cut" that frame her face perfectly. Her skin (what you could see of it in her uniform) was the most gorgeous shade of dark caramel I've ever seen. She had the whitest smile....just the most beautiful mouth. Not a lick of makeup on this woman and she was, in a word, stunning. I don't think I've ever in my life seen a natural beauty as gorgeous as this woman....and it wasn't just her face...it was her manner...her movement...her tone of voice. She just took my breath away! I thought to myself, "There is something specialin this woman's life. There is some peace in her."
We were a lively group that chatted about this and that throughout the meal. As we were standing and putting on sweaters and such, about to leave, our waitress walked over to me and asked for a moment of my time. She said, "You have a nice smile. Would you let me share this with you? It's was makes me smile." She handed me one of those little black and white pamphlets that tell the basics of Christianity and has a church logo on it. Normally, I say a polite "No, thank you" and move along my happy way....but this time it felt like a genuine invitation. I thanked her and we shook/held hands for a brief moment. It was surreal.
Now the reason I post this...
Often we as humans look at other people and so easily condemn their religious views because they seem trivial or archaic. We deem them silly or simplistic. A crutch, or a fantasy. We all have done it at some point. BUT - have you ever looked at someone before they ever opened their mouth and just knew that they had something inside of them that seemed like something good to have? Something that could only be found by way of faith? I mean, I'm about as far from the local Baptist church as a person could get, but after meeting the lovely woman all I wanted to do was crouch at the altar and beg for God to do something with me that gave me that kind of steadiness. It wasn't the religion. It was the spirit in the woman that locked onto me and fired! Have any of you ever experienced this....outside of your own faith? It was just so intense and real. SHEESH....just when you think you know everthing! 😉
It was a lovely experience and not likely one I'll forget soon.
Joby
Folks like that are the REASON I don't judge a body on faith! That lady is what that Bible book describes as Christian. Love aplenty, carin' and all that. Makes ya warm just thinkin' 'bout it. As close to magic as ya find in the everyday world.
A body's faith is second to a body's way of bein', of presentin' themselves. Always believed it and always will, as proof shows it again and again. It's part of why I say it's all about the love, darlin'. That lady sounds as if she resonated love, the kind that gives warmth, caring, happiness, peace and quiet joy to anyone lettin' it touch 'em. A body don't HAVE to be passionate to be like that. Y'just gotta have enough to let it pervade ya. Always wish I could do that all the time. It's such a fine feeling when ya can, and everyone's response makes it feel all the finer to treat 'em all so well. Tough to do, though. Requires determination and strength, patience and acceptance.
Gotta dig the folks that remind ya what it's all about! Thanks for the happy reminder, Jo!
A body's faith is second to a body's way of bein', of presentin' themselves. Always believed it and always will, as proof shows it again and again. It's part of why I say it's all about the love, darlin'. That lady sounds as if she resonated love, the kind that gives warmth, caring, happiness, peace and quiet joy to anyone lettin' it touch 'em. A body don't HAVE to be passionate to be like that. Y'just gotta have enough to let it pervade ya. Always wish I could do that all the time. It's such a fine feeling when ya can, and everyone's response makes it feel all the finer to treat 'em all so well. Tough to do, though. Requires determination and strength, patience and acceptance.
Gotta dig the folks that remind ya what it's all about! Thanks for the happy reminder, Jo!
Serenity...
Obviously a moving experience Ms. Joby, and I shan't attempt to make light of it, but I HAVE seen this before, most notably with Jehovahs Witnesses. They do indeed seem to radiate an inner peace/serenity that is almost palpable. My father counts several of the "Elders" of their church among his "sitting around retired and shoot the crap club". I (being only semi-retired, hehe) sit in with them once in a while and am treated to interesting hsitorical tidbits of the generation that precedes my own rapidly aging group. I discern that their tranquility comes from an absolute sense of what I term "surrender" of their innermost selves to what they perceive as a higher power. They have accepted the processes and dictates of this power as their pattern for life, and now have put aside any of the worry and doubt that many of us experience regarding this subject. It works for them....
I can't/won't do this, because it's NOT my nature to subjugate myself in any manner to such an entity, real or not, and I don't see this path as one that will bring me either peace or enlightenment.
Doesn't mean I can't envy them at times though...
Doesn't mean I don't pity them at times though...
Doesn't mean I won't listen to what they have to say....
Just seems to be another interesting interpretation of the world around us, and their method of bringing meaning to their lives. To me, the price paid is too high in terms of being true to the core that makes up my on inner decision making process. Guess I'm more of a "show me" guy, and even then, I'd have serious doubts until I was convinced that whatever miracles I witnessed weren't the result of superior technology of some type. I'll keep seeking my answer independently though.....I have all the time I have, and I'll do what I can before it's up. Guess we all know the answer eventually, hmmm? Q
Obviously a moving experience Ms. Joby, and I shan't attempt to make light of it, but I HAVE seen this before, most notably with Jehovahs Witnesses. They do indeed seem to radiate an inner peace/serenity that is almost palpable. My father counts several of the "Elders" of their church among his "sitting around retired and shoot the crap club". I (being only semi-retired, hehe) sit in with them once in a while and am treated to interesting hsitorical tidbits of the generation that precedes my own rapidly aging group. I discern that their tranquility comes from an absolute sense of what I term "surrender" of their innermost selves to what they perceive as a higher power. They have accepted the processes and dictates of this power as their pattern for life, and now have put aside any of the worry and doubt that many of us experience regarding this subject. It works for them....
I can't/won't do this, because it's NOT my nature to subjugate myself in any manner to such an entity, real or not, and I don't see this path as one that will bring me either peace or enlightenment.
Doesn't mean I can't envy them at times though...
Doesn't mean I don't pity them at times though...
Doesn't mean I won't listen to what they have to say....
Just seems to be another interesting interpretation of the world around us, and their method of bringing meaning to their lives. To me, the price paid is too high in terms of being true to the core that makes up my on inner decision making process. Guess I'm more of a "show me" guy, and even then, I'd have serious doubts until I was convinced that whatever miracles I witnessed weren't the result of superior technology of some type. I'll keep seeking my answer independently though.....I have all the time I have, and I'll do what I can before it's up. Guess we all know the answer eventually, hmmm? Q
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a thought that has me wondering...
i was impressed by joby's tale. that waitress sounded like a great person. i don't know if i'm the only one, but i couldn't help but think how much i'd love to tickle her, and be tickled by her!
now that's normal for me, but just now, after reading joby's account of their meeting, i feel guilty, dirty even, for thinking of this lady with thoughts of tickling. i mean, who knows, maybe she's also into tickling just like us. but i do feel odd about it. what do any of you think?
steve
i was impressed by joby's tale. that waitress sounded like a great person. i don't know if i'm the only one, but i couldn't help but think how much i'd love to tickle her, and be tickled by her!
now that's normal for me, but just now, after reading joby's account of their meeting, i feel guilty, dirty even, for thinking of this lady with thoughts of tickling. i mean, who knows, maybe she's also into tickling just like us. but i do feel odd about it. what do any of you think?
steve
Some folks here are predisposed to considering the tickling of someone attractive. Perhaps she attracts you? I think that it shows your willingness to tickle someone who's favored by Jo. Anything beyond this would be supposition without information.
For all I know, your wife supports these thoughts. For all I know, this occurs with every woman framed in positive reference. I know next to nothing of your personal life, beyond that which you've related publically.
Anyone giving opinions there is as likely to give options on how THEY feel about your thinking of this woman in that fashion as they are to comment on WHY you thought such about a woman you don't know.
I personally find guilt less useful than responsibility. Do you think your thoughts to be wrong, somehow? Damn, I'm soundin' like a shrink, and I ain't trained for such. Dunno, Steve. I'm answerin' questions wit' more question, 'cause I've a hard time formin' a reasoned opinion, and I'm against just makin' opinions uninformed or poorly informed, y'know?
For all I know, your wife supports these thoughts. For all I know, this occurs with every woman framed in positive reference. I know next to nothing of your personal life, beyond that which you've related publically.
Anyone giving opinions there is as likely to give options on how THEY feel about your thinking of this woman in that fashion as they are to comment on WHY you thought such about a woman you don't know.
I personally find guilt less useful than responsibility. Do you think your thoughts to be wrong, somehow? Damn, I'm soundin' like a shrink, and I ain't trained for such. Dunno, Steve. I'm answerin' questions wit' more question, 'cause I've a hard time formin' a reasoned opinion, and I'm against just makin' opinions uninformed or poorly informed, y'know?
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...and now we've come full circle...
...with steve's talk of guilt. Hey, pal, I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church. You Jews have nothing on us when it comes to guilt!
That said... Nah. I'm with d v n c on this one - responsibility is far more useful than guilt. Kids can feel guilt, if we do them that way. Only an adult can be responsible.
BTW where ya been, steve? Hadn't heard from you in a while, and was starting to get concerned.
Strelnikov
...with steve's talk of guilt. Hey, pal, I was raised in the Roman Catholic Church. You Jews have nothing on us when it comes to guilt!
That said... Nah. I'm with d v n c on this one - responsibility is far more useful than guilt. Kids can feel guilt, if we do them that way. Only an adult can be responsible.
BTW where ya been, steve? Hadn't heard from you in a while, and was starting to get concerned.
Strelnikov
That's a good question Steve asks given the name of this thread. Dare we say that we've come full circle again? LOL If you'd heard this woman laugh, you would INDEED have wanted to tickle her. 🙂 She was just lovely.
I don't think you should feel dirty ...lol. I think when we run into pleasant people or hear a nice laugh, as tickle folks, our thoughts tend to turn toward our favorite sport. I wonder something. Since we tend to think tickling and associate it with fun...and passion. Do y'all find yourselves thinking about it more with certain personality types? Do youthink people who seem to be more peaceful folks would be the "religious" ones who wouldn't think twice about tickling being anything more than seomthing good. In other words, do youthink they'd worry time away about whether or not it was a sin?
I think Dave is right on about the reminder. It is good to see it. I've been trying to be that person to someone else today. It IS hard to keep a smile all the time. It IS hard to be free of judgement all the time. We humans are greedy creatures! BUT, you know what....do it for a while and your head starts to fill with all sorts of interesting things that you don't take the time to think about. I reckon that plays a part in it. People like my waitress just have good things floating around inside their heads and I imagine it's part of what I saw in her.
Rambling and rambling - sorry.
🙂
Joby
I don't think you should feel dirty ...lol. I think when we run into pleasant people or hear a nice laugh, as tickle folks, our thoughts tend to turn toward our favorite sport. I wonder something. Since we tend to think tickling and associate it with fun...and passion. Do y'all find yourselves thinking about it more with certain personality types? Do youthink people who seem to be more peaceful folks would be the "religious" ones who wouldn't think twice about tickling being anything more than seomthing good. In other words, do youthink they'd worry time away about whether or not it was a sin?
I think Dave is right on about the reminder. It is good to see it. I've been trying to be that person to someone else today. It IS hard to keep a smile all the time. It IS hard to be free of judgement all the time. We humans are greedy creatures! BUT, you know what....do it for a while and your head starts to fill with all sorts of interesting things that you don't take the time to think about. I reckon that plays a part in it. People like my waitress just have good things floating around inside their heads and I imagine it's part of what I saw in her.
Rambling and rambling - sorry.
🙂
Joby
Always...
Life is an unending source of that emotion, d. I figure if we all lived long enough, we'd eventually come around to a nearly common point of view, as we accumulated experiences over a vast span of time. It's logical, along the lines of monkeys typing Shakespeare. Figure 500-600 years would do it...you and Strel would basically be clones at that point! Damn...wish I could live long enough to see that! Q
Life is an unending source of that emotion, d. I figure if we all lived long enough, we'd eventually come around to a nearly common point of view, as we accumulated experiences over a vast span of time. It's logical, along the lines of monkeys typing Shakespeare. Figure 500-600 years would do it...you and Strel would basically be clones at that point! Damn...wish I could live long enough to see that! Q
Is there any way that we can clone this woman that Joby met and put about three of her into my church?
In human terms Joby's description of this woman is a perfect example of Christian witness. Someone who obviously has assurance of a relationship with God and simply shares her story with others without any pushing for a decision.
And I like your response Q, it reminds me that Christians should not be too concerned about intellectual superiority or absolute proof. We should just share our stories. Our stories will touch those who are receptive.
In human terms Joby's description of this woman is a perfect example of Christian witness. Someone who obviously has assurance of a relationship with God and simply shares her story with others without any pushing for a decision.
And I like your response Q, it reminds me that Christians should not be too concerned about intellectual superiority or absolute proof. We should just share our stories. Our stories will touch those who are receptive.
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thanks dvnc
i can't believe i was the only one to have thoughts along "our" lines, about joby's waitress. more to the point though, is that i then felt wrong for thinking that way.
i'm not sure if i was looking for a pat on the head and to be told "s'all right, you're normal", or for someone else to say they felt , or had the same reaction. i can't remember ever having "guilty" feelings associated with tickling before. i'm most likely making too much out of this.
as for how my wife feels about my having these feeling? HA! like she cared how i felt when she had her affairs.
steve
i can't believe i was the only one to have thoughts along "our" lines, about joby's waitress. more to the point though, is that i then felt wrong for thinking that way.
i'm not sure if i was looking for a pat on the head and to be told "s'all right, you're normal", or for someone else to say they felt , or had the same reaction. i can't remember ever having "guilty" feelings associated with tickling before. i'm most likely making too much out of this.
as for how my wife feels about my having these feeling? HA! like she cared how i felt when she had her affairs.
steve
This is kinda backtracking on the topics in this thread, but I wanted to share this little bit. It's a woman's thoughts, but it's obviously geared toward parents as a whole.
Q's recent addition to his family (Congrats Papa Bear) brought it to mind. I could have posted it in the Gen forum, but since parenting was discussed in this thread and folks had an opinion on it here, I thought it would work well.
It's the closest I've ever read over the years of describing the indescribable. I hope is received well.
It Will Change Your Life
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Time is running out for my friend. We are sitting at lunch when my friend casually mentions that she and her husband are thinking of "starting a family"."We're taking a survey," she says, half-joking. "Do you think I should have a baby?"
"It will change your life," I say, carefully keeping my tone neutral.
"I know," she says, "no more sleeping in on weekends, no more spontaneous vacations..."
But that is not what I meant at all. I look at my friend, trying to decide what to tell her. I want her to know what she will never learn in childbirth classes. I want to tell her that the physical wounds of child bearing will heal, but that becoming a mother will leave her with an emotional wound so raw that she will forever be vulnerable.
I consider warning her that she will never again read a newspaper without asking "What if that had been MY child?" That every plane crash, every house fire will haunt her. That when she sees pictures of starving children, she will wonder if anything could be worse than watching your child die.
I look at her carefully manicured nails and stylish suit and think that no matter how sophisticated she is, becoming a mother will reduce her to the primitive level of a bear protecting her cub. That an urgent call of "Mom!" will cause her to drop a soufflé or her best crystal without a moment's hesitation.
I feel I should warn her that no matter how many years she has invested in her career, she will be professionally derailed by motherhood. She might arrange for childcare, but one day she will be going into an important business meeting and she will think of her baby's sweet smell. She will have to use every ounce of her discipline to keep from running home, just to make sure her baby is all right.
I want my friend to know that everyday decisions will no longer be routine. That a five year old boy's desire to go to the men's room rather than the women's at McDonald's will become a major dilemma. That right there, in the midst of clattering trays and screaming children, issues of independence and gender identity will be weighed against the prospect that a child molester may be lurking in that restroom.
However decisive she may be at the office, she will second-guess herself constantly as a mother. Looking at my attractive friend, I want to assure her that eventually she will shed the pounds of pregnancy, but she will never feel the same about herself. That her life, now so important, will be of less value to her once she has a child. That she would give it up in a moment to save her offspring, but will also begin to hope for more years - not to accomplish her own dreams, but to watch her child accomplish theirs.
I want her to know that a cesarean scar or shiny stretch marks will become badges of honor.
My friend's relationship with her husband will change, but not in the way she thinks. I wish she could understand how much more you can love a man who is careful to powder the baby or who never hesitates to play with his child. I think she should know that she will fall in love with him again for reasons she would now find very unromantic.
I wish my friend could sense the bond she will feel with women throughout history who have tried to stop war, prejudice and drunk driving. I hope she will understand why I can think rationally about most issues, but become temporarily insane when I discuss the threat of nuclear war to my children's future.
I want to describe to my friend the exhilaration of seeing your child learn to ride a bike. I want to capture for her the belly laugh of a baby who is touching the soft fur of a dog or a cat for the first time. I want her to taste the joy that is so real, it actually hurts.
My friend's quizzical look makes me realize that tears have formed in my eyes. "You'll never regret it," I say finally. Then I reach across the table, squeeze my friend's hand, and offer a prayer for her and me and all of the mere mortal women who stumble their way into this holiest of callings.
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That's what being a parent is to me.
Joby
Q's recent addition to his family (Congrats Papa Bear) brought it to mind. I could have posted it in the Gen forum, but since parenting was discussed in this thread and folks had an opinion on it here, I thought it would work well.
It's the closest I've ever read over the years of describing the indescribable. I hope is received well.
It Will Change Your Life
_______________________
Time is running out for my friend. We are sitting at lunch when my friend casually mentions that she and her husband are thinking of "starting a family"."We're taking a survey," she says, half-joking. "Do you think I should have a baby?"
"It will change your life," I say, carefully keeping my tone neutral.
"I know," she says, "no more sleeping in on weekends, no more spontaneous vacations..."
But that is not what I meant at all. I look at my friend, trying to decide what to tell her. I want her to know what she will never learn in childbirth classes. I want to tell her that the physical wounds of child bearing will heal, but that becoming a mother will leave her with an emotional wound so raw that she will forever be vulnerable.
I consider warning her that she will never again read a newspaper without asking "What if that had been MY child?" That every plane crash, every house fire will haunt her. That when she sees pictures of starving children, she will wonder if anything could be worse than watching your child die.
I look at her carefully manicured nails and stylish suit and think that no matter how sophisticated she is, becoming a mother will reduce her to the primitive level of a bear protecting her cub. That an urgent call of "Mom!" will cause her to drop a soufflé or her best crystal without a moment's hesitation.
I feel I should warn her that no matter how many years she has invested in her career, she will be professionally derailed by motherhood. She might arrange for childcare, but one day she will be going into an important business meeting and she will think of her baby's sweet smell. She will have to use every ounce of her discipline to keep from running home, just to make sure her baby is all right.
I want my friend to know that everyday decisions will no longer be routine. That a five year old boy's desire to go to the men's room rather than the women's at McDonald's will become a major dilemma. That right there, in the midst of clattering trays and screaming children, issues of independence and gender identity will be weighed against the prospect that a child molester may be lurking in that restroom.
However decisive she may be at the office, she will second-guess herself constantly as a mother. Looking at my attractive friend, I want to assure her that eventually she will shed the pounds of pregnancy, but she will never feel the same about herself. That her life, now so important, will be of less value to her once she has a child. That she would give it up in a moment to save her offspring, but will also begin to hope for more years - not to accomplish her own dreams, but to watch her child accomplish theirs.
I want her to know that a cesarean scar or shiny stretch marks will become badges of honor.
My friend's relationship with her husband will change, but not in the way she thinks. I wish she could understand how much more you can love a man who is careful to powder the baby or who never hesitates to play with his child. I think she should know that she will fall in love with him again for reasons she would now find very unromantic.
I wish my friend could sense the bond she will feel with women throughout history who have tried to stop war, prejudice and drunk driving. I hope she will understand why I can think rationally about most issues, but become temporarily insane when I discuss the threat of nuclear war to my children's future.
I want to describe to my friend the exhilaration of seeing your child learn to ride a bike. I want to capture for her the belly laugh of a baby who is touching the soft fur of a dog or a cat for the first time. I want her to taste the joy that is so real, it actually hurts.
My friend's quizzical look makes me realize that tears have formed in my eyes. "You'll never regret it," I say finally. Then I reach across the table, squeeze my friend's hand, and offer a prayer for her and me and all of the mere mortal women who stumble their way into this holiest of callings.
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That's what being a parent is to me.
Joby
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Right on, Sister!
You've said it all.
Strelnikov
You've said it all.
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I congratulate you on your good fortune, not for all the same reasons as those you'd advance, but sincere congratulations.
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How very true, Joby. As a father of 2 daughters, I can only applaud with all my might!
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Haltickling said:
i have 4 kids, and i can tell all that the same applies to being a father...well, "a good father" that is.
all you said is so true joby, having children changes us, and all for the better in my opinion.
steve
Well...
I'd cry, but I'm too busy smiling....the baby has slept 8+ hours 2 nights in a row, and I can actually focus on the keyboard for the first time in almost 2 weeks...lol. Lemme just wipe that teething drool off and make sure I haven't made too many mistakes. Macaroni and cheese makes an incredible mess...another new fact for me. More bulletins later! 😉 Q
I'd cry, but I'm too busy smiling....the baby has slept 8+ hours 2 nights in a row, and I can actually focus on the keyboard for the first time in almost 2 weeks...lol. Lemme just wipe that teething drool off and make sure I haven't made too many mistakes. Macaroni and cheese makes an incredible mess...another new fact for me. More bulletins later! 😉 Q
Great bit of prose there Joby!
My wife is a great mother to our kids. I always try to treat her as a queen. I am astounded at how the fabled woman's intuition is a reality.
A few years ago our denominational mission in Honduras was looking for someone to go to Honduras and teach English at the shool our mission runs there. I really wanted to go, my wife did not. I always said that we would never make a move unless both of us agreed that it was right for us. But this time I thought my wife was just plain wrong. I knew the right thing was for us to go. Well we didn't. And because we didn't we now have our adopted daughter. I was so wrong and my wife was so right.
Congratulations Q!!
Let's hear it for middle age parents of babies/toddlers !!
My wife is a great mother to our kids. I always try to treat her as a queen. I am astounded at how the fabled woman's intuition is a reality.
A few years ago our denominational mission in Honduras was looking for someone to go to Honduras and teach English at the shool our mission runs there. I really wanted to go, my wife did not. I always said that we would never make a move unless both of us agreed that it was right for us. But this time I thought my wife was just plain wrong. I knew the right thing was for us to go. Well we didn't. And because we didn't we now have our adopted daughter. I was so wrong and my wife was so right.
Congratulations Q!!
Let's hear it for middle age parents of babies/toddlers !!
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It's ludicrous to think that tickling, sexual or non, is evil. I mean maybe it is and as the good book state no sin is bigger than another, so in that instance because we have a foot and tickle fetish we are held in the same regard as murderers and rapists? I think not. It's idiocy to considered tickling evil regardless of it's nature, at most it is awkward. If what we discuss here is indeed evil then may we all suffer eternity in hell but I think God or Allah or Odin or Jesus whatever god you worship laughs at the nature of this debate because I certainly do.
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🙂 I see tickling and fetishes as a tool for mutual pleasure as well as a personal choice. Tickling and having a fetish is what we make of it. To each his/her own when it comes to both. Whether we are raised devoutly religious and choose to stay devout, choices of tickling are up to us.
We are who we are psychologically, physiologically, mentally and emotionally before our environment molds us some more.
In the end, it is up to us if we choose to accept who we are or if we choose to make society's facade our only face. 😀
We are who we are psychologically, physiologically, mentally and emotionally before our environment molds us some more.
In the end, it is up to us if we choose to accept who we are or if we choose to make society's facade our only face. 😀
The debate isn't one confined to tickling. The whole point may just as well have been presented as sexuality/religion/guilt & evil...
Tickling is a part of our sexuality and there is a large section of society that believes it to be a "sin" to explore that outside of anything other than marriage. So to answer the question about whether you believe tickling to be evil, simply ask yourself if you are a religious fundementalist. (As opposed to someone who just believes deeply in your own personal religion.) If you are, then chances are you feel large amounts of guilt about tickling. It'd be the same if you got your kicks from watching pro-wrestling. ( Gad, what a thought!
) Indulging in anything that made you feel horny would make you feel guilty because you'd assosciate it with sin. The founder of the TMF suffered from just such an affliction. So bad was it indeed that he changed his screen name and started telling us we were all sinners who needed to repent.
My personal feelings are quite complex. When I was growing up (say around the age of 14 or 15) I spent countless hours worrying my guts out about my sexuality. I had never heard of a foot fetish (my tickling fetish didn't take shape until I got online at the age of 21 and found the two are very often closely related) and I thought I was the only person in the world who fantasised about that part of the female anatomy. To make it even worse for me, I was a slight bastinado fan even then and this doubled up my feelings of guilt even more. I seriously thought I was the only person in the world who had these feelings.
I was about 19 or 20 when I finally saw a late night program about this guy and his girlfriend who liked to indulge in sucking toes and so on. She happily chatted between scenes about how many people there were who enjoyed it and the feeling for me was like the pressure release when the world's biggest boil is lanced. Then I bought my first internet-capable PC and have never looked back. Now if anything, I regard my kink as a gift from "God", whatever your own personal conception of "God" may be. It's there to be enjoyed and used wisely. Providing I don't create negativity while I'm enjoying it, there is no sin as far as I'm concerned, but then of course, I don't belong to a conventional religious denomination. Of course there are those who do and still manage to enjoy their kink without any serious life-crippling guilt attacks. More power to their elbow. 🙂
Tickling is a part of our sexuality and there is a large section of society that believes it to be a "sin" to explore that outside of anything other than marriage. So to answer the question about whether you believe tickling to be evil, simply ask yourself if you are a religious fundementalist. (As opposed to someone who just believes deeply in your own personal religion.) If you are, then chances are you feel large amounts of guilt about tickling. It'd be the same if you got your kicks from watching pro-wrestling. ( Gad, what a thought!
) Indulging in anything that made you feel horny would make you feel guilty because you'd assosciate it with sin. The founder of the TMF suffered from just such an affliction. So bad was it indeed that he changed his screen name and started telling us we were all sinners who needed to repent.My personal feelings are quite complex. When I was growing up (say around the age of 14 or 15) I spent countless hours worrying my guts out about my sexuality. I had never heard of a foot fetish (my tickling fetish didn't take shape until I got online at the age of 21 and found the two are very often closely related) and I thought I was the only person in the world who fantasised about that part of the female anatomy. To make it even worse for me, I was a slight bastinado fan even then and this doubled up my feelings of guilt even more. I seriously thought I was the only person in the world who had these feelings.
I was about 19 or 20 when I finally saw a late night program about this guy and his girlfriend who liked to indulge in sucking toes and so on. She happily chatted between scenes about how many people there were who enjoyed it and the feeling for me was like the pressure release when the world's biggest boil is lanced. Then I bought my first internet-capable PC and have never looked back. Now if anything, I regard my kink as a gift from "God", whatever your own personal conception of "God" may be. It's there to be enjoyed and used wisely. Providing I don't create negativity while I'm enjoying it, there is no sin as far as I'm concerned, but then of course, I don't belong to a conventional religious denomination. Of course there are those who do and still manage to enjoy their kink without any serious life-crippling guilt attacks. More power to their elbow. 🙂
Geez, it rises again! This thread's my reminder, constantly, of the great folk here. Folks that DON'T see as I see, or didn't, back then. I learned a bit from this rascal, and shared a bunch. Made a few friends I'll always value, includin' two of the best debatin' opponents I've known.
Heck, it inspired my faith in Christians who were true to faith. Still ain't a fan of organized religion, but it turned my head to believers.
Also had many individual moments here that were timely, pivotal in some cases. Gave more faith than any building in which I've stood.
Damned fine thread.
As for judging a book by it's cover, or in this case, a thread by it's title, I do suggest to ALL that reading the first page of this, including the date from which it was written, gives some idea to it. It's an older thread, with much more than a silly lateralist good vs. evil deal. It's deeper than such.
However, F-R, if I were a sicko that tickled people to deal, and lived for tickling, while the TICKLING isn't evil, the perp is, at that point. The knife isn't evil, but the killer is.
The church, most of them actually, condemns sexuality as temptation and sin. Women should birth, men should seed, and we, the men, are just lucky enough that our seed comes with pleasure. That "sinners" found out that a woman's wiring allows for the same thing, with a little patience and focus, argues that the maker was testin' us males, IMHO, though. Our site's originator did indeed get a religious zeal and determine for himself that the site was/is "bad". Funny, too, 'cause it was the solidifying point in which my wife and I connected, before marrying. Literally, I found the love of my life here, moved and married her, and share that life. Raise a kid, too, reasonably well, to hear him and the rest of the family talk. Found her through this "sin", and thus he gets a caring old man through such. Complicates the sinning argument.
Tough to find folks to argue that it's a sin, here, though. We're preachin' to the choir, and indeed, the whole digital congregation.
Do read, folks, and ask questions. Point out flaws in arguments, or strengthen others. Think. Express. It's good for you.
Thanks for dustin' it off, FF. Hi to Q, Strel, Big Jim, Steve, Hal... Heck, hi to all o' ya!
dvnc
Heck, it inspired my faith in Christians who were true to faith. Still ain't a fan of organized religion, but it turned my head to believers.
Also had many individual moments here that were timely, pivotal in some cases. Gave more faith than any building in which I've stood.
Damned fine thread.
As for judging a book by it's cover, or in this case, a thread by it's title, I do suggest to ALL that reading the first page of this, including the date from which it was written, gives some idea to it. It's an older thread, with much more than a silly lateralist good vs. evil deal. It's deeper than such.
However, F-R, if I were a sicko that tickled people to deal, and lived for tickling, while the TICKLING isn't evil, the perp is, at that point. The knife isn't evil, but the killer is.
The church, most of them actually, condemns sexuality as temptation and sin. Women should birth, men should seed, and we, the men, are just lucky enough that our seed comes with pleasure. That "sinners" found out that a woman's wiring allows for the same thing, with a little patience and focus, argues that the maker was testin' us males, IMHO, though. Our site's originator did indeed get a religious zeal and determine for himself that the site was/is "bad". Funny, too, 'cause it was the solidifying point in which my wife and I connected, before marrying. Literally, I found the love of my life here, moved and married her, and share that life. Raise a kid, too, reasonably well, to hear him and the rest of the family talk. Found her through this "sin", and thus he gets a caring old man through such. Complicates the sinning argument.
Tough to find folks to argue that it's a sin, here, though. We're preachin' to the choir, and indeed, the whole digital congregation.
Do read, folks, and ask questions. Point out flaws in arguments, or strengthen others. Think. Express. It's good for you.
Thanks for dustin' it off, FF. Hi to Q, Strel, Big Jim, Steve, Hal... Heck, hi to all o' ya!
dvnc
Time warp..
Wow..3 years ago we started jawing about this topic. It's odd to see the "passsion" of 9-11 cut into the thread, as it did in nearly all threads that fateful day.
Yup, dvnc was wrong then and he's *still* wrong, folks, and now you can see it for yourself (somewhere in there)..lol..😉
The points made were valid and obviously the church has been taking a horrible beating in the last 2 years as scandals continue to explode throughout nearly every denomination and order.
There's been a few good discussions lately on the difference between religion and faith. This might be a spot to bring them onto the board and see where we're currently at as a community. I'm still seeking answers from any god(s) in the continuum, but overall I'd still like to have some kind of faith, albeit outside of organized religion. Many people seem to feel this is a form of atheism or isolationist narcissitic behavior disguised as psuedo religous justification....but it still feels right to me to attempt to make sense of the things I see by myself rather than in a structured leader/group session in a building/palace.
Q
Wow..3 years ago we started jawing about this topic. It's odd to see the "passsion" of 9-11 cut into the thread, as it did in nearly all threads that fateful day.
Yup, dvnc was wrong then and he's *still* wrong, folks, and now you can see it for yourself (somewhere in there)..lol..😉
The points made were valid and obviously the church has been taking a horrible beating in the last 2 years as scandals continue to explode throughout nearly every denomination and order.
There's been a few good discussions lately on the difference between religion and faith. This might be a spot to bring them onto the board and see where we're currently at as a community. I'm still seeking answers from any god(s) in the continuum, but overall I'd still like to have some kind of faith, albeit outside of organized religion. Many people seem to feel this is a form of atheism or isolationist narcissitic behavior disguised as psuedo religous justification....but it still feels right to me to attempt to make sense of the things I see by myself rather than in a structured leader/group session in a building/palace.
Q
