Tickling videos and lers that don't know what the hell they're doing!

[Excess]

Ok, so every now and then I like to see something like that. Yeah, I know, but yeah. So I look at video clips. I think a few other people on this forum might too. I mean it's not like the video clips section is the most popular section on the forum or anything. <_< And y'know, when you're looking at someone tickling someone else in such a thing, you kinda hope that the ler kinda, maybe, sorta, might know what tickling actually is. As in how to actually do it.

Well.........not always. And y'know, it's not like it's hard or anything. You don't exactly have to be an expert or anything. However some of these people that do this astound me. Now in some cases, such as not knowing how to really get a spot or actually focus on a place that's obviously more ticklish I can understand. Sorta. I'm not saying it's faked, but rather that they are being directed to tickle certain places, although this isn't as evident when it's just supposed to be an all-over tickling. Still annoying though when that ler hits that one spot that really noticeably makes the lee go up a tone, only to move away every time they hit it.

However, some of these lers LITERALLY do not appear to know how to tickle. I'm sorry, but why are you rubbing your hands on them again? Rubbing = Tickling now? Wow, I really must be living under a rock if I didn't know that 3 years ago. And what's that? The lee is barely reacting? Maybe that's because you're giving them a MASSAGE!!! Oh, and if you're fingers are leaving large marks on the lee, you might be digging in just a bit too hard. I mean it's not like we can tell it is kinda hurting them or anything, no of course not. And then on the opposite end, LEARN TO ACTUALLY DO MORE THAN LIGHTLY SCRIBBLE YOUR FINGERS ABOUT! Yeah light tickling has it's place but sometimes it's just not that effective for getting out the big reactions. But some effort into it damnit!

And there's one other thing I must point out. I know that there are certain preferences for the ler/lee's sex, and specifically that the majority of guys prefer F/F. Now I'm not entirely sure why this is since the male lees are perfectly fine with the lee being male. Maybe because some male lers are too insecure about the idea of seeing a guy tickling a girl because it makes them feel jealous, or maybe his package is just bigger. But that's all besides the point. The point is that we mostly get F/F in the /F tickling part. Now here's the thing; while this can of course apply to men, too often do these female lers DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY ARE DOING!!! 2 out of 3 of the things I mentioned in the last paragraph more often applies to them, and then there's more. These women obviously have no idea what they are doing yet they keep getting brought back. WHY?! Well the obvious answer is that "Well it's F/F, and even if they couldn't tickle worth a shit it's better than a guy that actually knows what he's doing". I'm afraid I must be in the minority here who prefers quality over ineptitude.

Anyway, I just needed to get that out. So yeah.

 

[StuGatz9]

I understand everything you're saying and I agree with all of it.

I have a couple of theories.

The reason for the massaging instead of tickling is probably because the lee is very ticklish and can't take being tickled for real. Hence the massaging and faked laughing.

The reason the tickler moves on to somewhere else when he or she gets a good reaction from a particular spot is most likely for the same reason. the lee can't take it/doesn't like it/isn't being paid enough/whatever, to endure being tickled for real.

It's why, with a few exceptions, most tickling videos are a waste of time.

Let's face it. Money drives everything. If someone with unlimited resources, i.e. money, were to spend a fortune making a tickling video, the models would be compensated well enough to make it worth their while to endure a serious tickling.

But when videos are being made with friends as lees and lers or they're being made on a shoestring budget, then you get what you usually see.

I applaud the efforts of all the video producers but admire the few who truly hit the mark.

 

[ShiningIce]

A video with lers who can't tickle should be punishable by DEATH

 

[The Last Laugh]

And y'know, it's not like it's hard or anything. You don't exactly have to be an expert or anything.

That's easy to say when you're a tickling fetishist. But it's not always as obvious for vanilla people, who don't think about tickling every day and don't tickle people very often or for very long. Plus, some ticklees are rather tricky and can be a challenge for a beginner who doesn't know that many tricks. Some level of expertise can actually be required in some cases.

However, some of these lers LITERALLY do not appear to know how to tickle

Well yes, that's entirely possible. Like I said, most people don't do much tickling in everyday life. So how can they instinctively know how to tickle well? They're not professional tickling fetish models, after all.

The point is that we mostly get F/F in the /F tickling part. Now here's the thing; while this can of course apply to men, too often do these female lers DON'T KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY ARE DOING!!! 2 out of 3 of the things I mentioned in the last paragraph more often applies to them, and then there's more.

If you're suggesting that men are usually better ticklers than women, I have to disagree with you.

Oh, and there's really no reason for swearing.

I'm afraid I must be in the minority here who prefers quality over ineptitude.

No, you're not.

 

[ktklr]

Hey, haven't posted in a while but this topic compels me to chime in.

I actually prefer the M/F scenario over anything, but unfortunately my vid watching experience has been the OPPOSITE of what Excess suggests: most of the time it's been the MALE lers who've had crappy technique. MOST of the best videos in my collection are F/F. Admittedly my collection is dated, so that may also be a factor as TK vids have improved somewhat in the nearly 3 decades since the genre began. Just to be clear, when I say BEST, I mean that no matter how many times I watch I simply cannot make it all the way through the scene without "losing it." Hope that ain't too much info!

Anyway, if I were to pick ten absolutely fabulous, own-until-I-die gems from the two hundred or so scenes in my collection, SEVEN of them would be F/F. I don't think this is coincidence.

I'm also split on the issue of technique. On the one hand, I agree that it is definitely more gratifying to watch someone who seems to REALLY know how to tickle illicit genuine, spontaneous, purely reflexive laughter out of a sensitive, helpless 'lee. But on the other hand I think a 'lee's reactions have less to do with a ler's technique and more to do with the lee's sensitivity to being touched.

Take one of the most famous and well regarded 'lees, namely Julia Parton a.k.a. Nina Alexander, for example. That woman goes BERSERK when merely TOUCHED on her feet (or nearly anywhere else for that matter!), so any scene with her as the 'lee is explosive and rarely disappointing by virtue of the fact that she's so darn ticklish. A 'ler could be using one finger, both hands, a tongue, a q-tip , a feather, it doesn't matter, she always reacts with loud, hysterical giggles! I know, because I have several scenes where she's tickled with at least one or ALL of the above! In nearly all of them the 'lers are female, some have good technique, some don't but I still lose it anyway and all because of Julia/Nina's panicky, squeally giggling.

Another example of differing techniques not really mattering is the classic TC Video Ticklish Merchandise, which is now #1 on my all-time favorite list. I've watched that video dozens of times and NEVER made it past five minutes, for multiple reasons. First, the 'lee Crystal is PERFECT. She's my dream girl in every way: pretty, tight bod, leggy, INCREDIBLY sensitive, and she has a pleasing arousing laugh unlike MOST of the 'lees I've heard and I've heard plenty. Second, the camera angles and sound are top notch: her laughter is clear and you almost always see both her face and the parts of her being tickled, another rarity even among the best TK vids. Third she's being tickled by TWO 'lers, both of whom happen to be female. And there are other reasons why I love this vid more and more each time I watch it but let's get to the point: over the 25 or so minutes of this scene her tormentors use different techniques on her, from very rapid almost cursory brushing with all fingers to the slow, deliberate, kitchy-koo motion I think we would all agree is the kind an "expert" would use. At one point one 'ler licks her toes while the other "tickle-massages" her other foot. But at no time does her laughter sound like she's faking, nor does it seem like a particular technique proves ineffective in making her convulse with breathless, involuntary laughter. EVERY technique works on her, and the results are simply wonderful.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you both on most points, but for me the ler technique, though important, is not nearly as important as WHERE the lee is tickled and mostly how ticklish the lee is. The best technique in the world, by a man or a woman, simply ain't gonna get a non-ticklish 'lee to react, plain and simple.

 

[Radiohead 7140]

I've thought about starting a thread that would be mildly critical of TMF'ers talking about "bad ticklers" as though it were some kind of difficult science.

But, I've watched some videos and have been gravely disappointed by the tickling. So I decided it would be wrong to make that thread. I generally agree that the F/F tend to be the problematic ones more often.

I would imagine girls are more often worse at tickling simply because they're worse at everything else. simple math 🙂

Nah but seriously, my guess is that generally, in an M/F video, the M wants to be doing the tickling. Either a producer, or someone with a fetish. There are lots of girls out there in videos who are passionate about tickling, but like the OP said, I think many are inserted there to make the video F/F, and so they're not very good.

Also, I don't think these people necessarily can't tickle, as the OP suggests. My guess would be, if they're just doing it for the pay-check and tickling doesn't interest them at all, it might be strange for them to put on that "torturous big sister" mode and really attack a victim. They probably just feel more normal kinda fluttering their fingers over their victim, which I agree makes for a disappointing response.

If I were a producer, I'd probably at least try to give some pointers, or maybe just some motivation to really go for it, to these perhaps shy 'lers.

Also, I feel really weird about saying "victims" throughout this post

 

[premier5]

Agreed!!!

I was just thinking about this! NOTHING is worse than:

1. having a hyper-ticklish lee being "tickled" by a ler with poor technique
2. having a hyper-ticklish lee easily escaping the "bondage" for a break
3. too much ler talking. What is this, an episode of classic Batman? Spelling out the evil plan only to be thwarted
4. as stated in earlier posts..finding the sweet-spot ONLY to avoid it the remainder of the video

I say, if you torture....do it right!

 

[mike273273]

I agree with this. One clip caught my eye in regard to this.

http://www.ticklingclips.biz/tickled-tatiana-p-57.html

the ler seemed to have no technique. Her hands were going everywhere but she didn't seem to know what she was doing. She wasn't talking. Its not even like she was using hard or soft tickling, it was weird. It is almost like she was bored out of her mind and just wanted to get it over with. That is another thing, there are a number of clips where the ler is just bored and they spend a lot of the time staring at the clock. This happens a lot with the ticklishguysonline clips or whatever (few exceptions eg Chelsea).

 

[Backstep]

I can just imagine being younger and looking though the classifieds.

"Video producer looking for young male to come and facepaint female on camera. No nudity required, good rates."

I talk to a producer who tells me he's making a facepainting video and that there are some guys who really get off on seeing a woman getting her face and neck painted. A lot of the videos are done with another woman, but there's a demand for guys and it's $200. So I say sure.

So, there'a a woman wearing shorts and a tank top there. We meet and talk, getting comfortable. Her female friend is with her for safety and she has a boyfriend so no hanky-panky. Fair enough. So the camera rolls and I start in.

And what I hear from the director during the whole shoot is:

"No, no! start with her eyebrows and work downwards! Down! Both thumbs at once!"
"Slowly, this needs to take time. Come on, get into it."
"You're painting her face, not glooping peanut butter. Just a little bit, just a little. There, better."
"Change colors. And get under her chin while I pan around. Up to the corners of the lips. That's it, there... no, not too fast!"

And all the while I'm thinking I'm just painting her face, why would anyone care so much about details?

And so it goes for the entire time. And then it gets put online and I get a free copy. I like the way I look on camera. I start slow, but by the end of the video, I'm doing pretty well and I even find it kind of sexy. So I go online and I see this:

"He can't paint worth a crap!"
"He's just gloops around."
"Why can't they make videos with people who actually want to facepaint? Men are lousy at this"
"Why can't he spead his fingers gently under her f-ing chin, a child could do this!"

You see where I'm going with this...?

 

[gitcheycoocoo]

A ler that does not know what they are doing is just as pathetic as a lee that is faking it.

 

[knudus]

Backstep - great post!

I think most lers are the producers themselves, and so very probable are tickling enthusiasts, and I believe it must take some nerve to show you tickling skills to such a discerning audience.

bad ticklers on video:

1. Do not tickle well!

2. Show their face! I like to see M/F vids, but the M should be just a Tickler, a mysterious presence not a real guy. I don't want to see some guy having fun tickling, I want to see tickling and have fun myself.

3. Talk too much. TIB was (is?) very good at talking. But some just chat.

4. Try to steal a touch of the model's boobs! If the model allows touching then by all means grope away (it adds realism!), but it is clear in many vids that the only touching allowed is the tickling and the 'ler then "accidently" brush his hands against the boobs. It is simply too pathetic to see a ´ler, the master in control, trying to feel up a tied woman! If no touching - then just tickle!
4.

 

[the tickleshow]

Backstep - great post!

I think most lers are the producers themselves, and so very probable are tickling enthusiasts, and I believe it must take some nerve to show you tickling skills to such a discerning audience.

bad ticklers on video:

1. Do not tickle well!

2. Show their face! I like to see M/F vids, but the M should be just a Tickler, a mysterious presence not a real guy. I don't want to see some guy having fun tickling, I want to see tickling and have fun myself.

3. Talk too much. TIB was (is?) very good at talking. But some just chat.

4. Try to steal a touch of the model's boobs! If the model allows touching then by all means grope away (it adds realism!), but it is clear in many vids that the only touching allowed is the tickling and the 'ler then "accidently" brush his hands against the boobs. It is simply too pathetic to see a ´ler, the master in control, trying to feel up a tied woman! If no touching - then just tickle!
4.

Interesting perspective and very good to know! I try to keep my face out of vids as much as possible. There are certain positions where it's impossible but I simply cover it up with an on screen blur or dot. also, you'll never hear my voice in any of our videos. I hate it when I see that in other videos, so I don't do it in mine. I've embedded a few examples.



As far as touching; I ALWAYS make sure my 'lees are ok with boundaries, etc.



I have an upcoming video where the model is topless then ends up totally nude. I asked her, on camera (for my own record) what I can and can't touch. She happened to say I could touch her anywhere, but if she had given me boundaries, you'd better believe I would have observed them. I want my models to come back for more.