Tipping Question

[bratgirl365]

Okay....I'm a waitress! First off let me say...I'm not starting a war, just giving my opinion!
From the story that was told here....you said it took 40 mins for you to get your drinks....I don't know how crowded the bar was but I can imagine, on a Saturday night it was busy. You also said there were approx, 25 of you. In most places, the waitresses do not make the drinks, with that being said....the bartender/s makes the drinks for the whole place, if he/she is drowning in drink orders, most times waitresses have to wait for drinks.
So, yes I can see how this would be her fault and you shouldn't tip her.

HELLO! HELLO! HELLO!

 

[leafstk]

In that case, never go back there. There are other bars. 😀

I'm with Mils on this one. I understand feeling miffed about such rediculous treatment, but I dunno if I'd like to hear they were shut down. Hopefully a fine will smarten them up 🙂

 

[Goatboy]

Here's a little piece of trivia for you all. Do you know where the word "TIP" comes from, when used in this context? It stands for To Insure Promptness. If you weren't getting your drinks at a reasonable rate of time, you shouldn't have tipped. Anyone who thinks you should just tip automatically needs to watch the beginning of Reservoir Dogs. But anyway, my sister is a waitress. I know abouyt the importance of tipping. If a waitress (or waiter) does an average job and I have no complaints, I tip 15%. If they are friendly or just do a little extra, or basically just act like I'm not being a burden because i want to eat out, i usually tip around 20%-25% So I tend to get remmebered and get good service since I'm a good tipper. But if somebody is rude or does a bad job, I will not give them 15%. Anywya, I've rambled enough.

 

[Traveler]

First,of all I won't be going there,lol.I work in the food industry so when,I go out I will always tip,the waitress makes most of her money on the tips she makes.Now,saying that I tip on quality of service and how the waitress interacts with the people at the table.

You were right to be angry,service like that is unacceptable,and shouldn't be tolerated,if the place you went to is owned by a company or something write them and tell them about your displeasure.

Customer service is the no. 1 priority where I work,the girls are trained to be courteous,and helpful,(even if the customer is cranky and rude),must remember sometimes we as customers can be the problem.Bad day at work,kids are a pain in the ass that day,or you just may be a grump.

I am a good tipper,I tip 25%,that's with good service and how I am treated at the place.I will never tip below 10%,and if the service is bad,I just don't go back,plenty of places to eat,and they will gladly take my money.

Don't let one bad experience,form a opinion on all waitresses.The girls I work with are outstanding,some of them bring home 175 dollars a night and that's just during the week,and on the weekends I have seen some of the girls bring home 225 for an eight hour shift.and that ain't to bad.

My philosophy is you can tell a god waitress by her tips,can make a bad situation with a customer,turn into a good one.Like I said I have worked in the food industry a long time,and a bad experience isn't always the waitresses doing.

But,I will tell you one thing if you go to a place regularly and you tip poorly you won't get a good waitress,they will hand you off to a trainee,or a crappy waitress,a good waitress will be there too make your dining experience an enjoyable one,but on the other hand,a good waitress won't wait on a bad tipper when,she can wait on others who will appreciate the efforts she makes.

 

[armpitlovr]

Wow! I love this stuff! Such great input from so many. I worked in the food industry for 30 + years. I go out to bars often enough to know that when there are only a few poeple in the place. It's easy to get fast service, but when a bar that holds 125 people has 124 in it. Your bound to have to wait. If you think your going to get the same fast service, your blind as a bat! I go to a place where the bartender always sticks his hand out to greet me and say "Hi". and then promptly ask me what I want. But when I walk in and it takes me 5 minutes just to work my way to the bar and he and two other bartenders are all working so hard to keep up with the drinks that he didn't even see me come in? Then I expect to have to wait my turn. Just last Thursday night, I was waiting my turn at the bar, $ in hand, and the bartender knew I was there and said "Hi Pat, I'll be with you as soon as I can" I told him no problem. Meanwhile there are the rude, impatient assh---s behind me, yelling at him, telling him they need a drink, and sticking there hands full of $ over my shoulder and waving it in his face. These are the kind of people that, most of the time, are the problem. "I'm here, and I want to be served now!" If not I'm going to cause a big scene, and be a pain in the ass!
Lets face it, there are some people out there that go into a place just looking for a reason to complain. The slightest thing, they can find and off they go. These are the people that make, working with the general public, HELL! I once saw a sign is a auto repair shop that went something like this.......... "I'm really very sorry about the mix up ma'am. How about we give you double your $ back, shoot the manager, fire all the emplyees, go out of business, and burn the place to the ground. Would that make you happy?" I think it comes down to this. If you know the place is busy and your going to have to wait and you don't want the hassle? Go somewhere else. Period! Otherwise, sit down, relax, and wait your turn. Believe it or not, most of the time, they are taking care of you as fast as they can.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Since none of us were carded, weve decided to call liquor control and report them for serving underage persons

Hell yeah!!!!! Use the system that's already in place.

"To Insure Promptness?" Are we still passing that old chestnut around as fact? That doesn't sit well with my 4 bodily humors.

What bar gets closed down for not carding underaged kids? Fined perhaps, but closed down? Oh well, jobs lost..... maybe lives saved. But $2.50 an hour jobs are much more important, aren't they! HA!

Maybe a single mother? Yeah, and maybe a single mother with epilepsy who beats the child when no one is looking that spends all her money online buying collectible Pocket Dragons. What other what-ifs can we thing of?

Good service = good tip. And Drunks = lousy patrons. Find a balance, and don't give bad service to a good patron - especially if you're breaking the law by serving them (respect the youthful lawbreakers?). Zoinks!

 

[Enny]

Being that I used to be a waitress, it is kind of rude to leave such a small tip. I've been there trust me. A lot of people don't realize that it is actually a hard job because your trying to keep track of more than one table at a time. And if you have a table of 25 people? OUCH! I've done it before where I was waiting on a table of 45. And yes it is hard. But usually in that situation other servers help serve the drinks or whatever. So I guess you are right. There are some servers that just don't give a damn.

 

[kis123]

so...she has bad service, and in return shuts down there bar, costing people there jobs...yeah, thats not a little extreme.

I saw it written once that "the toes you step on today may be connected to the a** you may have to kiss tomorrow!" You don't know who you're messing with in public. People are more vindictive now than ever and they have very little patience. You can do your best job and they'll find something to try to get you fired over. Don't give them something legitimate to run with-it'll be like a steak over a pack of pit-bulls!

The world can use a lot more compassion for the single moms raising their kids on waitress tips. Unfortunately, there's not a ton of compassion in the world today. I don't want to see anyone lose their job, but nowadays, few are concerned, so you have to be careful!

They shouldn't have been serving underage drinkers under any circumstances. You risk losing everything when you don't obey the laws. Eventually, someone will call the owner on the behavior of the staff. That's just the way it is!

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Just curious, but who were the underage people that were getting served?

 

[Oddjob0226]

Just curious, but who were the underage people that were getting served?

Lime and her posse.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

So,,,lime went to a bar while underage to drink, and is going to rat on the bar for serving them, not because they were served, but because they gave her lousy service...wow...Hypocritical to say the least.

 

[milagros317]

FYI, Limeoutsider is not underage, she turned 21 years old back in January of this year. I don't know the identities or ages of the people she was with.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Ok, i'll just wait then until i hear who the underage people where that were served.

 

[Oddjob0226]

So,,,lime went to a bar while underage to drink, and is going to rat on the bar for serving them, not because they were served, but because they gave her lousy service...wow...Hypocritical to say the least.

Nope, that's real life on planet Earth and not the Moral Ideal housing subdivision of Disneyvania's Hobbit Land. Her & her homie's money was still as financially valuable as anyone else's in the bar and thus she should have had good service if the bar in fact chose to serve them without checking their IDs. Now, Lime has to do the cop's jobs because they didn't, as the bar failed in their job. That's a double burden for a young woman just trying to have a special night out. Since, in calling the authorities on a bar operating illegally, there is a degree admittance of guilt - a sense of turning oneself in - it sounds like Lime and her cohorts are actually responsible citizens. I worked in a club, too, and if bad service meant bad tips, it was usually the fault of the cooks or bartenders, not the incorrect perspective of the customer who was expecting timely service.

Or maybe Limeoutsider was a victim of sexism. Or it was racism on their part - does anyone know if Limeoutsider is Bengali by chance? If she's Bengali, that might be a component to all of this.

Why is no one standing up for the single moms who are there to have a drink after a hard day of work, or whatever single moms do? Single moms don't just work in bars, they are also consumers. Who speaks for them? Taking a small portion of their earned income to purchase a half hour of respite from the "that's not my responsibility" world - but then not receiving the good service they are entitled to? Now, due to the slow service, they are going to be late getting to the store which will close, so they won't be able to buy any baby formula. The mothers will have to use their own milk, now laced with alcohol, to feed their children. And due to acute alcohol poisoning a cute baby might DIE!

Oh, but yes, that's a small price to pay to preserve a few people's crap $2 jobs who aren't good at them to begin with.

I say let's all stand up for moms!

 

[Ronley]

Ok, i'll just wait then until i hear who the underage people where that were served.

I don't think the point is that anyone underage was served, but rather that they could have been. Without carding anyone, they had no way of knowing who is underage, and I have yet to know a person who can look at someone and tell their age to the exact year every time. Someone can look 21 and actually be 19, and vice versa. If a place doesn't card, they tend to get a reputation for it among under age drinkers, and they attract that crowd. At least, that's the case on my campus. If they weren't carding, it's a pretty safe bet that they were serving under age people.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Odd...do you even read these posts? You just seem to ramble on for several paragraphes.

 

[kis123]

Nope, that's real life on planet Earth and not the Moral Ideal housing subdivision of Disneyvania's Hobbit Land. Her & her homie's money was still as financially valuable as anyone else's in the bar and thus she should have had good service if the bar in fact chose to serve them without checking their IDs. Now, Lime has to do the cop's jobs because they didn't, as the bar failed in their job. That's a double burden for a young woman just trying to have a special night out. Since, in calling the authorities on a bar operating illegally, there is a degree admittance of guilt - a sense of turning oneself in - it sounds like Lime and her cohorts are actually responsible citizens. I worked in a club, too, and if bad service meant bad tips, it was usually the fault of the cooks or bartenders, not the incorrect perspective of the customer who was expecting timely service.

Or maybe Limeoutsider was a victim of sexism. Or it was racism on their part - does anyone know if Limeoutsider is Bengali by chance? If she's Bengali, that might be a component to all of this.

Why is no one standing up for the single moms who are there to have a drink after a hard day of work, or whatever single moms do? Single moms don't just work in bars, they are also consumers. Who speaks for them? Taking a small portion of their earned income to purchase a half hour of respite from the "that's not my responsibility" world - but then not receiving the good service they are entitled to? Now, due to the slow service, they are going to be late getting to the store which will close, so they won't be able to buy any baby formula. The mothers will have to use their own milk, now laced with alcohol, to feed their children. And due to acute alcohol poisoning a cute baby might DIE!

Oh, but yes, that's a small price to pay to preserve a few people's crap $2 jobs who aren't good at them to begin with.

I say let's all stand up for moms!

I just have one question for you Oddjob......

Are you high??? Have you been smoking something today? You need to pass me some of that! This is one helluva tangent dude, if I must say so myself.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Odd...do you even read these posts? You just seem to ramble on for several paragraphes.

Uh, yeah.... I was the one that read Lime's post "Since none of us were carded, weve decided to call liquor control and report them for serving underage persons." and you were all like "Well who was underage?" and I was all like "Well, from the context it sounds like Lime's friends." and you were all like "I need more evidence than that." and I was all like "Dude." So there's PROOF I read these posts.

Lime had money and went to a service-related business and was served improperly in relation to what she (and the others around her) might consider the standard of service based on her past experiences as a consumer. Being in a service-related business, she simply tipped what could be considered customary when one receives sub-par service; yet she took the extra step to inform agents of the establishment in why the service didn't meet expectations and why the tip was therefore so low. If acted upon, this information could in the future bring about better service and, in consequence, generate better tips (while, in actuality, there is no good reason to tip sub-par service). When Limeoutsider's points were brought to the attention of the person in the highest position of authority responsible for the running of the establishment her concerns were disregarded.

Having both received bad service and then delt the indignity of being dismissed as a consumer - while the establishment had no qualms about taking the group's money in their commission of the sub-standard service - Limeoutsider thought in an abstract way and effectively killed 2 birds with one bungstone. Enjoying the dark, but human, feeling of revenge upon those whom she interpreted of wronging within the goings-on of her normal life - while doing it in a legally responsible way, realizing that there was some legal misbehavior on the part of some in her party- Lime brought to the attention of the authorities who regulate this specific service-industry establishment the fact that the business was not conducting its affairs in agreement with local laws.

And if in fact my reading of the context of Lime's post was in error, and none of the members of her party were underage, it is still entirely possible that the establishment is indeed serving underage drinkers, as demonstrated by the business's conduct. They are accepting the payment of the customers for certain services while showing no interest that the services provided are up to the consumer's standard of expectation - but at the same time paying a poor wage to it's employees, maximizing the profit margin at any cost, it would appear. As was pointed out by TMF members other than me, "carding" should have been done. Certainly, by doing this Limeoutsider may have acted in a petty way, but as a consumer myself it does seem that she may have been wronged, and this act of smallness might still yield quite positive results, even if that was not the original intent. Silver linings, you see. What's to miss in these posts?

While it may "seem" I just ramble, without using the vile, cyber canned-laughter of the emoticon device, what's stoppin' you from enjoying the scenery along the ride?

 

[Oddjob0226]

I just have one question for you Oddjob......

Are you high??? Have you been smoking something today? You need to pass me some of that! This is one helluva tangent dude, if I must say so myself.

No, I just joined Lime at her bar! The service was much better this time.

 

[Limeoutsider]

Ok, i'll just wait then until i hear who the underage people where that were served.

None of your business


Anyway, I called the state police and told them how to get underage people served

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Lime, were your friends the people who were under age?

 

[bratgirl365]

FYI, Limeoutsider is not underage, she turned 21 years old back in January of this year.QUOTE]
That says it all

 

[asutickler]

Anyway, I called the state police and told them how to get underage people served

Good idea... In the same vein:

You could call whomever is responsible for issuing liquor liscences in your state or municipality and tell them the same thing you told the state police.

Also, you could let the state or local health department know of any health code violations you saw, if you saw any.

If you noticed any blocked exits, or if the place seemed packed beyond its proper capacity, your local fire marshall might appreciate a call.

If there are any popular local websites that allow people to post reviews of bars/restaurants/etc, you might want to share your experience there...


I don't usually get too up in arms about poor service... I just leave a proportionately crappy tip and forget about it. But if you're still talking/thinking about this place a few days later, they must have bet truly stank-awful...