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TOMBSTONE vs. WYATT EARP; Which Is Better?
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Tombstone was better just because Val Kilmer was great as Doc Holliday.
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Easy.
Tombstone.
'Nuff said.
Tombstone.
'Nuff said.
This year was the first time i was actually able to sit down and watch both movies. I had watched Tombstone numerous times but had difficulty finding wyat Earp, as when i went looking for it, it tended to be rented out. But, finally, i managed to rent a copy, and was able to sit down and watch it.
The first thing i noticed was the complete different in tone of the movies. I don';t think anybody could argue succesfully that Tombstone wasn't an action movie. Not to say it didn't have it's moments of drama or good charactor developement, but thinking about it, their were very few moments that did not involve shooting, building up of tension towards a possible conflict, or a somewhat sexually charged scene(though those are much much fewer.
Wyatt Earp however seemed to space the action out a bit more, one could argue that was because of the length of the movie, but i would disagree. I don't think Wyatt Earp was intended to be an action movie. I feel it was more intended to be a drama/autobiography, as the story starts with Wyatt Earp as a boy, and continues a good deal past tombstone. In fact, Tombstone seems to be nothing more then footnote in the movie.
Wasy i look at it, Tombstone is more of a movie about a certain part of Wyat Earps life, while Wyatt Earp is a movie about the man before and beyond Tombstone. If your a fan of one, i would say it's worth watching the other.
That being said, i will easily say that I enjoyed Tombstone much more. Their are several reasons for that. One of them is i'm a huge Kurt russel fan. Ever since Big trouble in little chine town, i've been a big fan of his, and i think he does a great job playing Wyatt Earp. Second, would be that they have a great backup cast. Vall Kilmer truelly is excelent as Doc holiday, and blows his counterpart from the other movie out of the water., IMO, this is one of his best roles to date. Sam Elliot plays a good Virgil Earp, and we can't forget the roles of Powerws Boothe as Curly Bill Brocius and and Michale Brien as Johnny Ringo who excelently played the roles of the villians in this movie. Not to meantion that this movie had a great deal of Cammios from notable actors like Charlton Heston,. Billy Zane, Billy Bob Thornton, Jason Priestly, and many more. If you take the time too look at all the stars in this movie, it's quiet amazing really. Even if you don't recognize the names, if you check their profiles you'll more then likely be going "Hey, i remember that charactor from _____".
IMO, Tombstone, hands down.
The first thing i noticed was the complete different in tone of the movies. I don';t think anybody could argue succesfully that Tombstone wasn't an action movie. Not to say it didn't have it's moments of drama or good charactor developement, but thinking about it, their were very few moments that did not involve shooting, building up of tension towards a possible conflict, or a somewhat sexually charged scene(though those are much much fewer.
Wyatt Earp however seemed to space the action out a bit more, one could argue that was because of the length of the movie, but i would disagree. I don't think Wyatt Earp was intended to be an action movie. I feel it was more intended to be a drama/autobiography, as the story starts with Wyatt Earp as a boy, and continues a good deal past tombstone. In fact, Tombstone seems to be nothing more then footnote in the movie.
Wasy i look at it, Tombstone is more of a movie about a certain part of Wyat Earps life, while Wyatt Earp is a movie about the man before and beyond Tombstone. If your a fan of one, i would say it's worth watching the other.
That being said, i will easily say that I enjoyed Tombstone much more. Their are several reasons for that. One of them is i'm a huge Kurt russel fan. Ever since Big trouble in little chine town, i've been a big fan of his, and i think he does a great job playing Wyatt Earp. Second, would be that they have a great backup cast. Vall Kilmer truelly is excelent as Doc holiday, and blows his counterpart from the other movie out of the water., IMO, this is one of his best roles to date. Sam Elliot plays a good Virgil Earp, and we can't forget the roles of Powerws Boothe as Curly Bill Brocius and and Michale Brien as Johnny Ringo who excelently played the roles of the villians in this movie. Not to meantion that this movie had a great deal of Cammios from notable actors like Charlton Heston,. Billy Zane, Billy Bob Thornton, Jason Priestly, and many more. If you take the time too look at all the stars in this movie, it's quiet amazing really. Even if you don't recognize the names, if you check their profiles you'll more then likely be going "Hey, i remember that charactor from _____".
IMO, Tombstone, hands down.
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Tombstone was a way more enjoyable movie, and surprisingly realistic. I read up on the characters portrayed and the way the events of the movie went down, and a lot of it is supposed to be very true to life.
I also thought, as everyone did I think, that Kurt Russel and Val Kilmer both turned in the performances of their careers. A lot of the secondary actors were amazing too. It took me to the third time seeing it to realize that it was Jason Priestly playing the mousey cowboy and Billy Bob Thornton playing the hothead in the bar Wyatt "acquires an interest in." They were both so good that they were like chameleons, they just disappeared into their roles.
The one criticism I have, and it didn't even occur to me while watching it, is about the actual shootout at the OK Corral. I read an interview with Kevin Costner where he talked about insisting that everyone in "Wyatt Earp" had to stop and reload their guns during the fight, which really adds to the heat of the moment: you can really imagine what a fucking panic that must cause when you're fighting for your life and suddenly you have to fumble in your pockets for bullets and get them quickly into your gun while someone is trying to kill you from 15 feet away.
After reading that, I noticed in Tombstone that their guns have unlimited bullets in them, they just fire and fire and fire. It's especially noticable when Doc Holliday goes running past the window, firing as fast as he can with both guns.
As an interesting historical note, the scene where Doc Holiday shoots into the air with his shotgun to make the horse rear up so he can kill the guy hiding behind it is supposedly a true story, reported in the local papers the next day.
Maybe you guys can help me settle an argument too. I have a long running debate going on with Jim from MTJPublishing about Curly Bill. I think Powers Booth played him as clearly gay... slightly effete in general and with an obvious crush on the Jason Priestly character. Am I the only one who sees that?
I also thought, as everyone did I think, that Kurt Russel and Val Kilmer both turned in the performances of their careers. A lot of the secondary actors were amazing too. It took me to the third time seeing it to realize that it was Jason Priestly playing the mousey cowboy and Billy Bob Thornton playing the hothead in the bar Wyatt "acquires an interest in." They were both so good that they were like chameleons, they just disappeared into their roles.
The one criticism I have, and it didn't even occur to me while watching it, is about the actual shootout at the OK Corral. I read an interview with Kevin Costner where he talked about insisting that everyone in "Wyatt Earp" had to stop and reload their guns during the fight, which really adds to the heat of the moment: you can really imagine what a fucking panic that must cause when you're fighting for your life and suddenly you have to fumble in your pockets for bullets and get them quickly into your gun while someone is trying to kill you from 15 feet away.
After reading that, I noticed in Tombstone that their guns have unlimited bullets in them, they just fire and fire and fire. It's especially noticable when Doc Holliday goes running past the window, firing as fast as he can with both guns.
As an interesting historical note, the scene where Doc Holiday shoots into the air with his shotgun to make the horse rear up so he can kill the guy hiding behind it is supposedly a true story, reported in the local papers the next day.
Maybe you guys can help me settle an argument too. I have a long running debate going on with Jim from MTJPublishing about Curly Bill. I think Powers Booth played him as clearly gay... slightly effete in general and with an obvious crush on the Jason Priestly character. Am I the only one who sees that?
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one more thing: I just glanced down the cast list on imdb... someone tell me where the fuck Frank Stallone is in this movie!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108358/fullcredits#cast
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0108358/fullcredits#cast
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The lone vote....
...for Wyatt Earp.
...for Wyatt Earp.
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Tombstone is one of...if not my favorite movie...of all time! I love it! I ALWAYS watch it when it comes on cable even thou I own the souped up dvd of it. 
Jeff, I know what you mean. Curly Bill did indeed seem to have a little too much interest in Priestly's character. All chummy and what not. Still, as good as Powers Booth played Curly Bill Brocious as a great villain, Michael Biehn as Johnny Ringo can't be beat! Everyone in the movie seemed to really bring their A game to the movie set.
By the way, rumor has it that it was Kurt Russell himself who directed most of the film when the original director left and before the credited director arrived to finish it all up. Maybe that had something to do with everyones performances?
Jeff, I know what you mean. Curly Bill did indeed seem to have a little too much interest in Priestly's character. All chummy and what not. Still, as good as Powers Booth played Curly Bill Brocious as a great villain, Michael Biehn as Johnny Ringo can't be beat! Everyone in the movie seemed to really bring their A game to the movie set.
By the way, rumor has it that it was Kurt Russell himself who directed most of the film when the original director left and before the credited director arrived to finish it all up. Maybe that had something to do with everyones performances?
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Another one from the ensemble cast you forgot to mention was Michael Rooker. He was great too.
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Tombstone is so amazingly better. LOOOOOOOOOOVE that movie. And Kilmer really made the Doc his own.
Jeff - you're right. I was there a lot during the filming of Tombstone. I used to live a few miles from the set, and I know the stunt director (who played a bit part in the film) of Old Tucson Studios. Booth was playing Curly Bill with a gay twist.
And Kilmer was a mad man. He walked around the set wearing heavy coats in 100 degree heat so he could have that "Dying from consumption" glow about him.
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Jeff - you're right. I was there a lot during the filming of Tombstone. I used to live a few miles from the set, and I know the stunt director (who played a bit part in the film) of Old Tucson Studios. Booth was playing Curly Bill with a gay twist.
And Kilmer was a mad man. He walked around the set wearing heavy coats in 100 degree heat so he could have that "Dying from consumption" glow about him.
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The guy who receives an impromptu apendectomy from Doc Holiday.
Yeah, that always bugged me, but made for good action I suppose.
Holy $h!t! That WAS Powers Boothe, wasn't it? I didn't even notice that until you said it... wow.
I've seen Tombstone like 50 times and never noticed that. (Speaking of 'Chameleon' performances)
Didn't quite pick up on the 'Curly Bill' being gay, but thought Priestly's character was---Remember after Billy Zane gets killed and he holds his hand? Or when Zane recited the 'St. Christmas Day' Poem and Priestly says 'I think he's wonderful'.
Yeah... my vote is for Priestly, not Boothe being gay...
...not that there's anything wrong with that.
I'm sure you might know, but Powers Boothe was also on that HBO short lived western Deadwood
I loved that show too.
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