Trading Clips?

[The Last Laugh]

I'm curious to know how many people who have a problem with it download their music and movies for free, I'll say a lot.

Didn't you ask pretty much the same question yesterday?

 

[meangry]

It's a chicken-and-egg problem, IMHO. The only product worth "investing" in is the product that already has the kind of capital available to dump into professional equipment... which means they don't really need your investment. The guys who are hoping to start small and bankroll enough to start producing better-quality clips are SOL.

I'd also like to point out that you're basically saying (although I kinda agree) that anyone who wants a shot in hell of "making it" in this business has to compete with the guys who've been doing it for a while and have a huge established customer base. And, basically ape their product (bondage rigs, etc.) - but nobody'll "invest" in a newcomer when they can get those same videos from the established vendor. I liken it to my waking up tomorrow and deciding to go into the OS business with the intent to beat Microsoft. Probably ain't gonna happen. These aren't excuses, they're fact. Also also wik, speaking as someone who's advertised outside of the Video Clips forum, the amount of traffic it brings in is negligible at best. You spend hours uploading samples to Wu's or the Mouse Pad, spamming Twitter, and getting your account yanked on YouTube and DailyMotion for two extra hits a day. I get more traffic from C4S's studio updates page.

On the other hand, both Microsoft and Apple started in garages. So, there you go. Although I think in general the market is just saturated. Everyone and their sister is making foot clips, and a lot of them are throwing in tickling now that they know it's a thing. Go big or go home is the order of the day.

Welcome to supply and demand capitalism.

Let's be frank here; many people are not a heritage producers from days gone by. By 2010, the marketplace was already flooded with producers on our video forum. Companies like Tickle Abuse and Tickle Intensive and others, they've already developed their own unique look, their unique feel. Whether it is their models, or their bondage scenarios, they built themselves in a professional manner and it shows. Not only that, but they've been in the industry long enough to ensure consumer confidence in their products. I know what I'm getting from their clips. Other start ups, like Rooks Media, or Zen Tickling, or what have you, they carved a name for themselves either by the quality of their content or by the models they brought in. Their production cameras weren't the highest end of things, but it didn't limit them, it didn't stop them. Many of the successful start ups branched out.

It's the microbrew business and every hobbyist or fetishest who wants in thinks they can make a run. It takes a lot of capital, it takes a lot of energy, and it takes a lot of effort. It's not just product, it's how it's advertised. It's how it's presented. And you can do extremely well in all these areas and still be assed out and still go bust. It's an inherent risk.

But I'm not going to spend the little disposable income I have for tickling material on stuff that either doesn't stand out to me to need to be bought, or from a trusted producing source. If it means that I'm helping people that don't need the help, I don't care. The big guys didn't start out that way. They built themselves to that. I know if I were to get into the tickling content creation business, I know it would be a major cost to myself, what in developing bondage materials, and HD cameras, and models. At the same time, I also know what I feel isn't represented enough in tickling content in general (genital tickling) is an opportunity to stand out even amongst an extremely saturated marketplace. All too often, the 'small guys', they do a one camera shoot with a camera that isn't adjusted that well in a place that isn't lit up all that greatly with a model that doesn't explode off the page either because of them or because of how the overall shoot looks.

That said, I think it's ridiculous for people to say piracy only hurts the big guys, but then imply that it's okay because they're making enough money anyway. 'cause after all, they wouldn't be where they are today if no one supported their craft in enough volume for them to GET to where they are today.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; support the producers whose work you enjoy so that they can keep making it.

I didn't say it only hurt the big guys. And I personally believe in supporting producers you respect and enjoy. But for years, this forum has been a place where producers, big and small, piss and moan amongst themselves about the woes of their business. And I don't really care. Everyone talks about things being and issue, or how it is killing this and that, and the fact is, very few do anything to adapt. They simply repeat the same DCMA claims and that. I think some of the issue stems from an industry that doesn't understand the needs of its consumer base, and for many, that is taken for granted.

 

[primetime]

Because your sentiment is so goody goody that it defies any sense of tangible reality. VHS dubbing is something people have been doing since the advent of the VCR, whether it was shows on television or sporting events or that, or hell, movie rentals that people did it with from their local video store. Yeah, people broke copyright law. People stole music with Napster. People stole DVDs and that. You know how the industry combated that? Well, the industry did very little, and still do very little, and bitch and moan. It's the distributors and the distribution methods that change. If you make content more accessible, whether by distribution or by price point, it makes customers who are in the grey who might steal but really just want easy accessibility to spend their money rather than pirate.

Also, it's ridiculous to call for jail time and all that sorta shit. This forum was built on pirating the content of other producers, artists, and photographers who were generating tickling content at a time where they didn't have a wide span access point to vendor their wares without have to incur advertising costs. How much money should BAC have made on all those dusty scans of his works? Why are Drew70s tickling picture scans still in their own little cubbie? Or small tickling clips from mainstream or from companies back in the day before the proliferation of content hubs and high speed internet connections and large sized hard drives?

There will never be a fool proofing method. And you know what, there never should be. I simply think it is ignorant and gladhanding to be so fatalistic with porn piracy, and quite frankly, I think the fact that producers and people posting here can't just be like "Yeah, we don't do that on TMF" and leave it at that is just a piss poor excuse to have the same talk that's been had for years.

This is where you are not paying attention. The whole point of this topic really is, is it ok to trade clips? That is a yes or no question. For you to say responses are "goody goody" is ridiculous. We all know people will not stop stealing and piracy. No one is foolish to think it will stop. BUT, is it RIGHT to do that?

You can make content 10 cents, and people will STILL illegally copy it, trade it etc. As for the original forum, you made mention of artists and photographers. BAC for example. I don't recall him selling his work. I don't recall Drew70 selling his work and he was on this forum. If you are putting up material and NOT selling, then copying it or what not does not matter. Now, had those artists had been SELLING their product, whole different story. You know how many stories I have written this forum? HUNDREDS. I have seen them on multiple tickle sites. Do I cry and moan that they did not get permission to post my story? NO. Why? I didn't sell them, all I ask for is "credit of my name".

So, do you think it is RIGHT or WRONG to trade clips?

 

[ReyaFet]

Very true! Please support us or we will have to seek other ways of making money and won't be able to do what we love anymore.

If we want clips, we really should pay the producers for them. Fairness is one reason. But if that doesn't move you, another reason is that you don't want to kill the geese that lay the golden eggs: if producers can't make a decent living off their clips, they're apt to stop making them.

 

[meangry]

This is where you are not paying attention. The whole point of this topic really is, is it ok to trade clips? That is a yes or no question. For you to say responses are "goody goody" is ridiculous. We all know people will not stop stealing and piracy. No one is foolish to think it will stop. BUT, is it RIGHT to do that?

You can make content 10 cents, and people will STILL illegally copy it, trade it etc. As for the original forum, you made mention of artists and photographers. BAC for example. I don't recall him selling his work. I don't recall Drew70 selling his work and he was on this forum. If you are putting up material and NOT selling, then copying it or what not does not matter. Now, had those artists had been SELLING their product, whole different story. You know how many stories I have written this forum? HUNDREDS. I have seen them on multiple tickle sites. Do I cry and moan that they did not get permission to post my story? NO. Why? I didn't sell them, all I ask for is "credit of my name".

So, do you think it is RIGHT or WRONG to trade clips?

Surely BAC never ever wanted payment for his art at all no sir that was only when he returned of course before then it was for the love of the craft and the community, especially certain comics that only appeared finished when he returned in sold them that had been considered tickling art works. And all those scans Drew70 took, he totally got those from free magazines and the like with no copyright protections at all and did all on the level. Your stories on here aren't relevant. The content that came to this site in the form of pictures and art and videos, in the early days, and across the old geocities sites, was built on scanned items and the like that were pirated. Stolen. Much of the early life blood of the tickling community was built on people trading and copying and pirating. But now, because the fetish is hyper commercialized, suddenly there are ramifications for this.

This is where not only your reading comprehension takes the hit, but more so, your sense on how this works; the guy who asked this question, and the people who trade clips, don't do it to profit. They don't do it to sell. They don't buy someone else's shit and sell it as their own. The clips and art themselves are a form of currency to get art and clips. That's how it works.

The reason I point this out to you is simple; it takes your whole deal and wads it into a ball and tosses it into the trash. Either it's wrong across the board to do any form of piracy, or it is acceptable as long as people aren't trying to profit off of it.

I'm not a moralist, but I abhor those here who are so naive as to think they are above it all. I don't give a shit if its right or wrong; it's going to happen regardless, and the only answer is to mitigate the issue as much as can be done, and the only market solution shown that does this IS found in either accessibility methods or pricing, and anything else is just empty handed chest puffing that, in reality, is piss in the wind.

 

[primetime]

Surely BAC never ever wanted payment for his artView attachment 408645 View attachment 408646 at all no sir that was only when he returned of course before then it was for the love of the craft and the community, especially certain comics that only appeared finished when he returned in sold them that had been considered tickling art works. And all those scans Drew70 took, he totally got those from free magazines and the like with no copyright protections at all and did all on the level. Your stories on here aren't relevant. The content that came to this site in the form of pictures and art and videos, in the early days, and across the old geocities sites, was built on scanned items and the like that were pirated. Stolen. Much of the early life blood of the tickling community was built on people trading and copying and pirating. But now, because the fetish is hyper commercialized, suddenly there are ramifications for this.

This is where not only your reading comprehension takes the hit, but more so, your sense on how this works; the guy who asked this question, and the people who trade clips, don't do it to profit. They don't do it to sell. They don't buy someone else's shit and sell it as their own. The clips and art themselves are a form of currency to get art and clips. That's how it works.

The reason I point this out to you is simple; it takes your whole deal and wads it into a ball and tosses it into the trash. Either it's wrong across the board to do any form of piracy, or it is acceptable as long as people aren't trying to profit off of it.

I'm not a moralist, but I abhor those here who are so naive as to think they are above it all. I don't give a shit if its right or wrong; it's going to happen regardless, and the only answer is to mitigate the issue as much as can be done, and the only market solution shown that does this IS found in either accessibility methods or pricing, and anything else is just empty handed chest puffing that, in reality, is piss in the wind.

And like I mentioned, your ability to comprehend what this discussion is, is severely lacking. Let me ask you this, have you ever produced a product and sold it? I have (non tickling items). The LAST thing I want are some cheap bastards to copy my stuff and give it away for free. You know anything about costs? When you see your product out there being used over and over and over again and you get ZERO COMPENSATION, that hurts YOU. But when you get these people demanding shit for free and do illegal methods to do so, you should be able to see why producers get pissed off.

It is WRONG to do it. What ever happened to just being a consumer and PAYING for product? Why the need to get shit for free all the damn time? I do not download movies from the internet. Why? Because I do not want to steal. And again, no matter WHAT you do, people are going to do illegal copying. This topic is about whether it is right or wrong. Get with the program.

 

[TripleH1]

It's all on dailymotion for free. Why pay for something that's free?

 

[cfilorux]

It's all on dailymotion for free. Why pay for something that's free?

I doubt the producers themselves put them up. It's still illegal even if you're not taking it from the original source.

 

[TripleH1]

Not to watch videos on a website it's not.

 

[meangry]

And like I mentioned, your ability to comprehend what this discussion is, is severely lacking. Let me ask you this, have you ever produced a product and sold it? I have (non tickling items). The LAST thing I want are some cheap bastards to copy my stuff and give it away for free. You know anything about costs? When you see your product out there being used over and over and over again and you get ZERO COMPENSATION, that hurts YOU. But when you get these people demanding shit for free and do illegal methods to do so, you should be able to see why producers get pissed off.

It is WRONG to do it. What ever happened to just being a consumer and PAYING for product? Why the need to get shit for free all the damn time? I do not download movies from the internet. Why? Because I do not want to steal. And again, no matter WHAT you do, people are going to do illegal copying. This topic is about whether it is right or wrong. Get with the program.

I don't care if you've produced a product in your life.

I don't care about your empty moral platitudes.

I don't care for your banal assessment of your flawed, rigid morality.

You consumed products on here that were stolen. Fact of life. It's what this community was built on. It's the most hilarious part of the now commercialized TMF. Before, it was about sharing. Now, it's about selling. Completely about selling. You, inaccurately, glossed over the fact that those magazine scans weren't free. Those old BAC images, did you not see the pricing guide and where to send your money to get a copy sent to you? Because it doesn't jive with your assessment of the situation, you instead become thick and just go back to "stealing is wrong". No shit. This revelation is most assuredly ground shattering. And we should support producers who make products we enjoy. Oh yes, we should, because we didn't know that spending money on their products makes them more apt to make them. Now that we've realized what is right and wrong, we can now wait, what, a month, maybe two, before another thread comes up so we can restate these things, all the while glossing over how fucking hypocritical it is to be a long time user on this site who has more than likely jacked off to shit you never paid for that was stolen from someone else but it's okay.

I'm sorry that you want to have that conversation over and over and over and over and over. Really. Because it's going to have the same people trading in the end, it's going to make producers who seem too ardent on the topic look like complete marks for themselves, and nothing of consequence is done.

You're having the conversation on whether it is wrong or not. I'm having the conversation that states that it is inevitable, and there are ways those effected can figure out to mitigate losses on their end. In the end, your morality will reassure their fragile egos, because that is easier than trying to figure out the best way to mitigate the problem from happening in the first place.

 

[primetime]

I don't care if you've produced a product in your life.

I don't care about your empty moral platitudes.

I don't care for your banal assessment of your flawed, rigid morality.

You consumed products on here that were stolen. Fact of life. It's what this community was built on. It's the most hilarious part of the now commercialized TMF. Before, it was about sharing. Now, it's about selling. Completely about selling. You, inaccurately, glossed over the fact that those magazine scans weren't free. Those old BAC images, did you not see the pricing guide and where to send your money to get a copy sent to you? Because it doesn't jive with your assessment of the situation, you instead become thick and just go back to "stealing is wrong". No shit. This revelation is most assuredly ground shattering. And we should support producers who make products we enjoy. Oh yes, we should, because we didn't know that spending money on their products makes them more apt to make them. Now that we've realized what is right and wrong, we can now wait, what, a month, maybe two, before another thread comes up so we can restate these things, all the while glossing over how fucking hypocritical it is to be a long time user on this site who has more than likely jacked off to shit you never paid for that was stolen from someone else but it's okay.

I'm sorry that you want to have that conversation over and over and over and over and over. Really. Because it's going to have the same people trading in the end, it's going to make producers who seem too ardent on the topic look like complete marks for themselves, and nothing of consequence is done.

You're having the conversation on whether it is wrong or not. I'm having the conversation that states that it is inevitable, and there are ways those effected can figure out to mitigate losses on their end. In the end, your morality will reassure their fragile egos, because that is easier than trying to figure out the best way to mitigate the problem from happening in the first place.

Um, first of all, never assume anything about me. Second of all, when those images were on the internet, I never once copied any of them. So if I am browsing the internet and come across it, am I supposed to say "oh my goodness! This is material I didn't pay for!"? Um, no. I came across the image, saw it, moved on. Just like you are listening to the radio.

Then we have the problem where people are INTENTIONALLY trying to avoid paying. That's the problem. Newsflash. I know Dailymotion exists. However, I do not visit the site. Why? I know the material there was placed there not by producers but people who anted to share the product at the expense of the producer. The producers lose out on their product. I noticed how you continue to gloss over that fact. Do you even care or even see the POV from the point of the producers? Obviously not because you're crying over people chastising those who willingly and knowingly want to get shit for free.

When this forum was built, it was about sharing but producers were making content they wanted to share without selling. Once the selling became involved and clips for sale popped up, no we go into that territory piracy and theft. That is why I pointed out my stories. I wrote them to share them with everyone and I knew I wasn't going to make a dime off of them. But bet your bottom dollar if I want to SELL something, I will hate piracy. You said so yourself. The TMF is now commercialized, meaning there is items to sell and make money.

Let me ask you this. You won't answer, but fuck it, I will ask anyway. If you sold a product, you wouldn't give a damn if you sold one copy, but millions of people have viewed it, copied it, and you don't make anything from those copies? You would be ok with that? Then someone comes on the forum and says "hey, trade me X clip for something else" and X clip is your product? You would just stand back and watch people talk how they can get your product for free? You would open your trap. Don't bullshit as to why people frown upon it. It is a normal occurrence. Just like people won't stop stealing, you will have people frown upon that. So what is your gripe anyway?

 

[meangry]

Um, first of all, never assume anything about me. Second of all, when those images were on the internet, I never once copied any of them. So if I am browsing the internet and come across it, am I supposed to say "oh my goodness! This is material I didn't pay for!"? Um, no. I came across the image, saw it, moved on. Just like you are listening to the radio.

Then we have the problem where people are INTENTIONALLY trying to avoid paying. That's the problem. Newsflash. I know Dailymotion exists. However, I do not visit the site. Why? I know the material there was placed there not by producers but people who anted to share the product at the expense of the producer. The producers lose out on their product. I noticed how you continue to gloss over that fact. Do you even care or even see the POV from the point of the producers? Obviously not because you're crying over people chastising those who willingly and knowingly want to get shit for free.

When this forum was built, it was about sharing but producers were making content they wanted to share without selling. Once the selling became involved and clips for sale popped up, no we go into that territory piracy and theft. That is why I pointed out my stories. I wrote them to share them with everyone and I knew I wasn't going to make a dime off of them. But bet your bottom dollar if I want to SELL something, I will hate piracy. You said so yourself. The TMF is now commercialized, meaning there is items to sell and make money.

Except for your base assumptions being that those things were copyright domain free, admitting it above, and thinking it was okay to view them. If you are so ardent in your belief about piracy, why weren't you the one who stood at a time when the community was just growing and say "hey, maybe all these artists/producers/storytellers should get paid for what they do, and posting stuff like this is wrong and should be pulled down"?

Because that's the hypocrisy problem. Before the TMF was overwhelmed as an advertising board, there was more of a philosophy of share and the like. And that meant excerpts from copyrighted VHS tapes that were digestible for dial up, bits from television shows and movies that involved tickling, to artists who either solicited funds for their work or had sold their work to kink magazines. Those things happened. Those things were the bedrock of this community. This piracy and getting shit for free culture didn't start with Clips4sale. It's been there from the very onset. This is the hypocrisy I speak of. This is the thing you're being too thick to admit because you feel this awkward sense that there was a clear time where one time period could be delineated from another.

It only became a big deal when the Clips4sale sites came along? What about FM Concepts? What about Magic Touch? What about fucking Cal Star? People were posting their wares and it was okay to the general community because 'sharing', but it harmed their business. What about Franco Saudelli and BAC and Smith and CB and people who were not all doing this just to share with people, but were trying to make some money on their enthusiast interests? What about all those early kink mags that took the risk of publishing tickling materials in their magazine and cultivated a consumer base...but on an internet forum where they don't see their sales?

So spare me and everyone the demarcation bullshit. At least some of those artists and producers actually gave a shit about the kink and weren't just there to flood a market with fast food burgers only to bitch because they can't compete against companies doing it restaurant quality.

It's porn, and it's markedly susceptible to piracy. It's inevitable. It's the internet. The only answer to the question of piracy is how you can best mitigate it for your own business. Maybe it is higher quality so you engender more customer loyalty. Maybe it means adaptive content generation and distribution channels. Maybe it means creating your own distribution channel that can better weed out potential theft. There are people in this community that do these things and have been very successful. You know who they are. They lead the pack.

You either use it as a tool or you mitigate the damage.

Let me ask you this. You won't answer, but fuck it, I will ask anyway. If you sold a product, you wouldn't give a damn if you sold one copy, but millions of people have viewed it, copied it, and you don't make anything from those copies? You would be ok with that? Then someone comes on the forum and says "hey, trade me X clip for something else" and X clip is your product? You would just stand back and watch people talk how they can get your product for free? You would open your trap. Don't bullshit as to why people frown upon it. It is a normal occurrence. Just like people won't stop stealing, you will have people frown upon that. So what is your gripe anyway?

The premise of your question is stupid, moves to polar extremes, and is meant to garner a response that either flatly aligns with your views are shows the world that I'm a dirty grubby pirating pirate. If I made something that one person bought but millions of people viewed? What? Getting a million hits on a video or a million followers on twitter kinda means I'm hot shit, which means someone is going to pay me well to do something if I can generate those kinds of views. More than likely, I'd sell the rights to that thing that someone else bought one of because, well, it's much more profitable.

You want to know what my gripe is? Your lack of business sense. How you jump around the conclusions board and make statements like "it was sharing and then clips4sale came along and now its pirating". You can't even come to a consensus with yourself over what the fuck constitutes piracy; is it okay to share products as long as I'm not charging for it or is it not acceptable under any circumstances? Because your responses to this thread show you haven't decided that for yourself. "It was sharing before, but now it's people wanting to freeload." Sure, let's lionize the past and completely miss the point because it doesn't fit your paradigm because reality isn't so convenient.

You hate stealing so much and pass on by it so well, huh? Tell me, did you purchase the rights from the AP photographer who took that picture of Deion Sanders, or the one of Kobe that's been edited for a forum signature? Because if you didn't...you kinda stole them for private use.

 

[-Hari-]

Of course, to attempt to aid the future production of this material. A person who respects the law and the producers of said material, would make it their business to report stuff that's been posted for free where it shouldn't be, to the admins of whatever site its appeared on. They are required to remove it.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

A person who respects the law and the producers of said material, would make it their business to report stuff that's been posted for free where it shouldn't be, to the admins of whatever site its appeared on.

The way this is worded suggests that if a person doesn't report stuff that's been posted for free where it shouldn't be, that person doesn't respect the law and the producers of said material. That's not even close to the truth, Hari. A person can certainly respect the law and the producers by simply refraining from participating in piracy. There is no obligation on anyone's part to tattle.

 

[meangry]

The way this is worded suggests that if a person doesn't report stuff that's been posted for free where it shouldn't be, that person doesn't respect the law and the producers of said material. That's not even close to the truth, Hari. A person can certainly respect the law and the producers by simply refraining from participating in piracy. There is no obligation on anyone's part to tattle.

Then those people shouldn't pump their chest out in moral superiority.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

Then those people shouldn't pump their chest out in moral superiority.

Agreed. That kind of posture is seldom if ever justified.

 

[Dialon]

This is stealing in the same sense that trading PC games is stealing. When I was in high school, I remember some kid who bought a copy of Diablo 2, copied the folder with all of the files in it and put them onto discs. Then he proceeded trade those copies to other people for either "copies" of music, movies, or other PC games. After all of those trades, that kid still has the original Diablo 2 game, while everyone else got it for free with no contribution to the company that made it.

Would anyone who is defending trading clips not call that stealing? In essence, it is exactly the same thing as trading clips.

 

[-Hari-]

The way this is worded suggests that if a person doesn't report stuff that's been posted for free where it shouldn't be, that person doesn't respect the law and the producers of said material. That's not even close to the truth, Hari. A person can certainly respect the law and the producers by simply refraining from participating in piracy. There is no obligation on anyone's part to tattle.

Respect comes in various forms and amounts and no, it's not as black and white as you've said. I'm not suggesting that someone who doesn't take a few seconds to click a report button etc doesn't have respect for the producer of whatever material is being pirated. It's not their responsibility. But I AM suggesting that it would be respectful to do so, especially as it takes very little effort.

Take it as you want, be as involved as you want. But It's more respectful to act than to ignore. Especially if its a producer you do respect and would rather kept making clips. Every little helps, as they say.

 

[katukutusursuri]

say NO to plagiarism and piracy.

 

[porcelaindoll2]

Hmmm after reading some of the newer posts I must admit my mind has always wondered how on earth the 70s scans in the image section are allowed? Stuff from the 1970s isn't public domain yet. Is it because the magazines are no longer in print? Are they no longer under copyright? Is posting scanned pictures from magazines legal? Does this mean if I bought a current foot fetish porn magazine from an adult shop and decided to scan the pictures to post on here I'd be fine? I mean if trading or uploading copyrighted clips is wrong because people get to view them for free, then how are magazine scans any different?

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

Hmmm after reading some of the newer posts I must admit my mind has always wondered how on earth the 70s scans in the image section are allowed? Stuff from the 1970s isn't public domain yet. Is it because the magazines are no longer in print? Are they no longer under copyright? Is posting scanned pictures from magazines legal? Does this mean if I bought a current foot fetish porn magazine from an adult shop and decided to scan the pictures to post on here I'd be fine? I mean if trading or uploading copyrighted clips is wrong because people get to view them for free, then how are magazine scans any different?

I'm no lawyer so all I have is an opinion, but here it is. Reproducing an image from a magazine by scanning doesn't fall into the same category of reproducing a video to share. You're not reproducing the entire magazine, simply glimpses of it, like the preview of a video.

Do they fall under copyright? They definitely did at one point. Whether they still do or not I can't say. Probably at the time they were first shared, nobody gave it much thought, and I suspect there was never any fallout as they are still there. I look at that scan archive as more of a museum display of an era long past, in which tickling media was rare and difficult to find. Remembering our roots, so to speak.

 

[TripleH1]

It's the same as burning a CD for a friend. The fact that technology makes it more widespread with the web doesn't make it more wrong than that.

 

[The Last Laugh]

It's the same as burning a CD for a friend. The fact that technology makes it more widespread with the web doesn't make it more wrong than that.

Actually, burning a CD for a friend is wrong and illegal, which should be obvious.

 

[firegod86]

I'll trade you a goat for clips of hair.

 

[FTickler]

Of course it is wrong but hhh1 (Lowercase triple h1 he does not deserve capital H) is such a little bitch he is too stupid to know better.

Actually, burning a CD for a friend is wrong and illegal, which should be obvious.