What DON'T you like about M/M tickling? (a discussion)

[Cosmo_ac]

I feel like I am being called a bigot.

Viper, for the record, i'm not saying that because you feel tickling is sexual and have no interest in m/m tickling because of that, that makes you a bigot. Everybody has their own levels when it comes to things, and if you feel uncomfortable doing something for whatever reason, thats fine with me.


Does that clear things up? 😀

 

[ViperGTS]

I just wanted it to be clear that I am by no means homophobic nor do I discriminate against homosexuality, so I guess we're all right.

I just find tickling to be too intimate and sexual an activity to be shared with another man. Thus, m/m tickling is a gay practice IMHO, and I find it offensive to watch or be involved in.

 

[wendynpeter]

what i don't like about m/m tickling...

What i don't like about m/m tickling is the ignorence people seem to show in believing that if you do enjoy m/m tickling your gay.

What i don't like about m/m tickling is the incredibly obvious double standard that makes no sense that it is believed that two straight girls can engage in f/f tickling and be straight but two straight guys who engage in m/m tickling are labled gay.

What i don't like about m/m tickling is the bigitry and homophobia that seems to be brought out of people whenever the subject comes up.

What i don't like about m/m tickling the most, is the fact that we need to have threads like this in the year 2006.

And thats what i don't like about m/m tickling

This struck me as a fairly thoughful post, so I thought I'd post my views about it:

1. I don't think watching m/m video makes you gay, I think that's absurd. I do think that if you're aroused by m/m video, and you think you're straight, you have something serious re-thinking to do. But (a) that's no one's business but yours, (b) being bisexual or gay isn't the end of the world, (c) denying your bisexual or gay tendencies because you DO think it would be the end of the world is the true definition of 'homophobia.'

Ditto for engaging in m/m tickling. The act itself doesn't make you gay or bisexual. Getting off on it does. If no one else in the world knows you get off on it, that doesn't make the experience any less indicative of your gay/bisexual tendencies. But then, it's no one else's business anyway.

2. Double standard --- is there one? I don't assume that two girls tickling each other in a video are straight, I assume they are bisexual, unless I'm informed they are lesbian. I assume the same thing when I see two guys, unless I'm informed that they are gay. I do readily admit that I believe that any reference to participants in m/m video being "straight" is only a marketing ploy to target gay customers.

3. I agree that there's no reason to engage in gay-bashing in this thread. However, just because a person doesn't get off on m/m vids doesn't make him or her a bigot.

4. What's so special about 2006? Homosexuality is a point of national debate for the first time in our history. It's topical. Are you saying we should be past it already?

 

[phfttklr]

The reason I don't care for M/M tickling videos is because the tickling videos themselves are for either sexual enjoyment or wishful thinking... Me, tickling the woman/women or being tickled by woman/women. That is the video aspect of it. I have, in real life, been tickled by and tickled males when I was younger. I, by no means, wanted to have sex or think that they wanted to have sex with me. I often tickle women that I'm not sexually attracted to, just to tease or be a shit. I think a lot of it has to do with how you were brought up on tickling at a young age. If a lot of M/M tickling went on in your younger years, you wouldn't think of it as sexual, which is probably why so many have a problem with it. Some just view it as tickling and not sexual.
Although I don't like M/M tickling,I have no problem with M/M tickling going on or videos being made and no problem with others watching them or have a delusional frame of mind thinking that any male that does, is gay or bi or that all male videos that take place, the male automatically is "naked" -yes, that was stated. (THAT, is one of the most absured and narrowminded statements I think I've read here).
People here, who feel they don't like M/M tickling, have the right to not like them but to put their idiotic feelings onto others 100% across the board that may, is ridiculous. According to the rules of some of the M/M haters ,if M/M tickling = gay/bi automatically, then child tickling = pedophilia. No two ways about it, report yourself to the local authorities. You stated yourself that you have done it, whether you felt uncomfortable with it or not. You are guilty and should be put on trial. Sorry, your rules.

Now, to go off topic real quick, which I'm sure the OP won't mind...TIB Love your videos, lucky guy. Gorgeous women and one quick favor. When doing a vid (with nylons ) not have them cut off. I do like to see bare feet as well and own some of yours that have bare feet, but lean a little more towards nylon. Either that or just have the clips not get to the scene where they are cut off, if there is enough time in the clip to do so. Thanks.

Sorry, Myr & TIB for going off topic but just want to show the love here as well.
We have to stick together because regardless of what type of tickling we love,there are those who view all tickling as sick. << strange people 🙂

 

[drew70]

What i don't like about m/m tickling is the ignorence people seem to show in believing that if you do enjoy m/m tickling your gay.

You're talking about people and their alleged ignorance, which has nothing to do with what you don't find appealing in a guy tickling another guy.

What i don't like about m/m tickling is the incredibly obvious double standard that makes no sense that it is believed that two straight girls can engage in f/f tickling and be straight but two straight guys who engage in m/m tickling are labled gay.

You're again talking about people's thought processes that have nothing to do with what you don't find appealing about a guy tickling another guy.

What i don't like about m/m tickling is the bigitry and homophobia that seems to be brought out of people whenever the subject comes up.

You're talking about the people who don't like m/m, when the topic was clearly outlined to discuss what YOU don't find appealing about a guy tickling another guy.

What i don't like about m/m tickling the most, is the fact that we need to have threads like this in the year 2006.

What difference does the year make? Why should we not have threads to discuss what we don't like, especially when it's clearly labeled? You've still not stated one thing you don't find appealing about a guy tickling another guy.

This entire post was an exercise in off-topic spam.

 

[lk70]

This entire post was an exercise in off-topic spam.

Or very clever satire. You're being argumentative again, Drewsie.

 

[drew70]

Or very clever satire. You're being argumentative again, Drewsie.

Lynn, I've been a fan of satire since the 60s, when I read everything I could from Bill Gaines and Harvey Kurtzman. I pretty much know satire when I see it. Personally, I see none in Cosmo's post, nor anything remotely bordering on clever.

You're right though, I suppose I am being argumentative. Perhaps it's because I remember Cosmo's post in another thread in which he labels me a troll for ignoring the thread disclaimer and offering a disapproving point of view. And yet here he is doing exactly the same thing. Things like that do tend to make me a little argumentative, I must admit.

 

[Tamia78]

What the............?

This thread is STILL active?

 

[TicklyWiggly]

Can we also include the topic of "Why is there not more f/m tickling out there"?

SemoreBellys
Check out our site, we have F/M clips. If you check out our homepage you can download preview clips

Cheers

 

[lojak]

This thread is STILL active?

See what happens when Broke Back mountain won an award 😱

 

[SlaverTickler]

Here is a thread dedicated to a specific subject.
Let's try and find out exactly WHY many people do not like M/M tickling clips.
There has to be reasons why many feel this way.
Let's get to the heart of the matter.

Give your input, but be civil about it.
Don't insult or name call. Just calmly explain yourself.

NOTE: This thread is intended ONLY for people who DO NOT like M/M tickling, and is a place for them to dig deep down and tell us why.

I think many of us can learn something from such a discussion.

Thanks.

Pretty simple for me, I'm hetro, I find tickling erotic, so to me M/M tickling is gay and not something I care for. Now to say I hate it would be wrong, it just doesn't appeal to me so I don't bother with it. The opposit of love isn't hate it's indifferance. Thats where I stand on it, for those who enjoy it more power to you, but for me it's F/F. M/F, F/M, no M/M for my taist.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Gotta Tell Ya Shire

I simply do not like seeing men tickled, full stop, and wouldn't do it physically either. In the same way I wouldn't look at anything which had a guy and a woman dominating him, giving him a handjob or anything like that.

I'm straight and only want to see women in that position, having stuff DONE TO them, never the other way around.

Gotta tell ya Shire, thats a sexist additude you got there. I personal don't see anything wrong with a chick being in control. I personaly enjoy the idea of a 5'5" 110 lbs female taking control of some 6'4" 260 lbs ape. I think it's sort of funny, not really sexy so much, but very funny.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

This struck me as a fairly thoughful post, so I thought I'd post my views about it:

Why thank you 😀

1. I don't think watching m/m video makes you gay, I think that's absurd. I do think that if you're aroused by m/m video, and you think you're straight, you have something serious re-thinking to do. But (a) that's no one's business but yours, (b) being bisexual or gay isn't the end of the world, (c) denying your bisexual or gay tendencies because you DO think it would be the end of the world is the true definition of 'homophobia.'

Ditto for engaging in m/m tickling. The act itself doesn't make you gay or bisexual. Getting off on it does. If no one else in the world knows you get off on it, that doesn't make the experience any less indicative of your gay/bisexual tendencies. But then, it's no one else's business anyway.

Hmm, i agree and disagree with some of these views, but we've had that chat before 😉

2. Double standard --- is there one? I don't assume that two girls tickling each other in a video are straight, I assume they are bisexual, unless I'm informed they are lesbian. I assume the same thing when I see two guys, unless I'm informed that they are gay. I do readily admit that I believe that any reference to participants in m/m video being "straight" is only a marketing ploy to target gay customers.

Yes, i would deffinitly say there is a double standard here. However, i don't think it is talked about too much when it comes to the f/f part, but if you read the thread, and probably ask people in general around here, and heck that might be an idea for a thread, when people see m/m tickling they seem to assume it's two homosexual males, as oposed to a f/f tickling subject, which seems to be at least less likely to be considered lesbians.

. I agree that there's no reason to engage in gay-bashing in this thread. However, just because a person doesn't get off on m/m vids doesn't make him or her a bigot.

I agree completely. I don't think a person is a bigot for not getting off on m/m tickling vids and i don't think i've ever made that claim. People will like what they like, and thats fine. However, maybe you've seen it, maybe you haven't, i personally have seen threads that were m/m topic related have posters who go about bashing homosexuals and anybody who engages in m/m tickling.

4. What's so special about 2006? Homosexuality is a point of national debate for the first time in our history. It's topical. Are you saying we should be past it already?

Yes, yes i am.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Well the bad thing about M/M tickling is close to the the bad thing about tickling sites and gatherings,having to be sexual!!!
why!!?
what happened to tickling only 4 fun!!!!
that makes me aware of the intention of anyone having a tickling situation with me i guess!
QUOTE]

It's a fetish, and to me that makes it sexual. So for most men tickling other men, or being tickled by other men is going to seem gay.

 

[SlaverTickler]

...And yet it's ok for us to see and hear about your lifestyle everywhere we go? Because thats what happens.


Oh, and drew70, I'm proud of ya mate.

Gte used to it, because we can reproduce bub.

 

[SlaverTickler]

We are all "free" to like what we like.

We are also all free to dislike what we dislike.

We are NOT free to avoid all criticism and attack for what we like or dislike.

If a majority of people dislike something you do, you may be denied the freedom to do it, and will most certainly be attacked for it.

Nothing is right or wrong. Heterosexuals are not normal. Gays are not normal. We are all merely of conflicting opinions and the more powerful of the two will prevail. There's no need to discuss anything because we will all continue to do what we will do until we can't, and there's nothing right or wrong about anything. All there is your illusion that you are entitled to something. Straight. Gay. You are entitled to nothing. All you have is your interest set and the measure of your power. Good luck.

Well Said Method

 

[SlaverTickler]

I'm going to be very literal here. I watch tickling clips because they're sexual to me. Hell, I really only come to this site to find those clips or images and it's only once in bored moment i jump on a discussion forum.

And it shows in your number of posts.

 

[tickler_n_black]

This thread is STILL active?

With off topic arrogant little comments like that my dear, it seems to be folks like you who are keeping this thread "STILL active."
🙂

 

[SlaverTickler]

Probably going off-topic.....but I wanna know. Why is F/F different from M/M ? I didn't know there was a double-standard on tickling.

Yes it is a double standardand I am very proud to suport it. I don't like M/M, never have and never will. Let me ask you this, why is it ok for a black rappers to us the N-Word, but not a wite rappers. It's dumb for any one to say it, especialy a black person, but they can do it and the wite guy can't. explain that double standard too me please.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Who's says it's wrong...

If m/m tickling is wrong then any tickling must be wrong !!! Why does it matter so much if it's gay or not?

I don't think anybody is saying it's wrong, just that it's homoerotic. So is F/F by the way but as a straight mal I don't mind looking at more then one woman.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Thats it for now.

I'm done for tonight, I'll see if I anoyed anyone tomorrow. Good night all.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

You're right though, I suppose I am being argumentative. Perhaps it's because I remember Cosmo's post in another thread in which he labels me a troll for ignoring the thread disclaimer and offering a disapproving point of view. And yet here he is doing exactly the same thing. Things like that do tend to make me a little argumentative, I must admit.

Yes, yes i did. However, it wasn't for simply posting on the thread or having a different point of view. If people are interested, they are more then welcome to check out the post and make up their own minds. Then, they can decide how different, or similiar our posts are.

As for my post, i thought it was relevent to the topic, though i suppose it does fall under a grey area. On one hand the topic is "What don't you like about m/m tickling?" which i thought i answered well, but then again, there is the little note saying

NOTE: This thread is intended ONLY for people who DO NOT like M/M tickling, and is a place for them to dig deep down and tell us why.

And as i'm ok with m/m tickling, then i probably shouldn't post. Which is actualy why i stayed away from this thread for so long. I did read the thread though, and after thinking about it for a long time, i figured out what i didn't like about m/m tickling, which resulted in my first post. At least peter seemed to like it, perhaps others as well.

But i suppose your right, it's not 100% on topic. So, after giving it some more thought, i will say that i don't care much for m/m tickling without bondage. I enjoy, for example, f/m, m/f and f/f play tickling, but i've never really liked m/m play tickling. I'm not sure exatly why. I'll have to think about it for a while.

On a side note though, your first post on this thread was great. Probably one of my favourite posts on this thread, if not my favourite. Nice post.

 

[wendynpeter]

Hmm, i agree and disagree with some of these views, but we've had that chat before 😉

Well, lemme ask you this: If getting off on sexual contact with another man doesn't make you bi (at least), then what does? It's as if you believe that behavior counts for nothing. Do you believe that the only thing that makes someone bi or gay is that they believe they are bi or gay?

Yes, i would deffinitly say there is a double standard here. However, i don't think it is talked about too much when it comes to the f/f part, but if you read the thread, and probably ask people in general around here, and heck that might be an idea for a thread, when people see m/m tickling they seem to assume it's two homosexual males, as oposed to a f/f tickling subject, which seems to be at least less likely to be considered lesbians.

If anything, it's that men are assumed gay and women are assumed bi. But that plays out in real life. VERY few women are or have been exclusively homosexual their whole lives. It's men who are most likely to be exclusively homosexual. The word 'lesbian' means "female homosexual," of course. But it's far more common for particular women to move in and out of that definition. So assuming that men engaged in a homosexual act are gay rather than bi is not a "double standard." That assumption is actually pretty valid. It isn't true in every single case, but it's true in most cases.

Yes, yes i am.

Well, of course you're entitled to believe that we should be past all questions about homosexuality. The fact is that we're not. There are still LOTS of very valid questions which remain unanswered about the nature of homosexuality, homosexual culture, etc. When a group of people who place themselves out of the mainstream culturally begin to demand not just tolerance but acceptance and cultural equality with the dominant culture, there's going to come a time when the dominant culture takes that demand seriously and begins to ask questions to help them understand who those people are, and what their subculture is all about. For better or worse, that's happening now. It's good that you've already come to your conclusions about the matter, but most people haven't.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Well, lemme ask you this: If getting off on sexual contact with another man doesn't make you bi (at least), then what does? It's as if you believe that behavior counts for nothing. Do you believe that the only thing that makes someone bi or gay is that they believe they are bi or gay?

See, this is where we feel differently about the subject. As i've explained before in another thread, i feel that a person can be aroused simply by being tickled, regardless of the gender of the tickler. If the focus of the person who was being tickled was that it was a man tickling them and this is what aroused them then i'd argue there is a much stronger case for the person being homosexual or bi-sexual. However, if the focus for the person being tickled wasn't the gender of the tickler, but the simple sensation of being tickled, then the ticklers gender becomes irelevant. But we'll probaby have to agree to disagree on that one.

If anything, it's that men are assumed gay and women are assumed bi. But that plays out in real life. VERY few women are or have been exclusively homosexual their whole lives. It's men who are most likely to be exclusively homosexual. The word 'lesbian' means "female homosexual," of course. But it's far more common for particular women to move in and out of that definition. So assuming that men engaged in a homosexual act are gay rather than bi is not a "double standard." That assumption is actually pretty valid. It isn't true in every single case, but it's true in most cases.

First, i didn't have a clue where your getting stats about how very few women are exclusively homosexual. Second, i don't think i've seen anything in any way that suggests that the assumption for women who engage in f/f tickling are bi-sexual. Could make a good poll thread though.

Well, of course you're entitled to believe that we should be past all questions about homosexuality. The fact is that we're not. There are still LOTS of very valid questions which remain unanswered about the nature of homosexuality, homosexual culture, etc. When a group of people who place themselves out of the mainstream culturally begin to demand not just tolerance but acceptance and cultural equality with the dominant culture, there's going to come a time when the dominant culture takes that demand seriously and begins to ask questions to help them understand who those people are, and what their subculture is all about. For better or worse, that's happening now. It's good that you've already come to your conclusions about the matter, but most people haven't.

It's not so much a matter of believing we should be past the questions, as i agree their are some very vaid questions But i do believe we should be past the predjudices that exist. Ie, gay marriage for example

 

[wendynpeter]

But we'll probaby have to agree to disagree on that one.

No, I'll agree with you on that point. Let's say someone's being tickled blindfolded and doesn't know the sex of the tickler. If the ticklee does not imagine the tickler to be gender-specific, and still gets off, then you're right. How often that would happen in a controlled experiment, I have no idea.

First, i didn't have a clue where your getting stats about how very few women are exclusively homosexual.

Read about the subject. It's pretty much common knowledge amongst psychologists and sociologists who study sex behavior and homosexuality.

Second, i don't think i've seen anything in any way that suggests that the assumption for women who engage in f/f tickling are bi-sexual. Could make a good poll thread though.

It follows from the sheer number of bisexual women, vs. the number of bisexual men. Go on any alt. sex website. The number of women who report their sexual orientation as bisexual is very high. So high that, statistically speaking, either a goodly number of them are lying, or the generally accepted stats on female bisexuality are way off. The number of men who report their sexual orientation as bisexual? NOT so many.

It's not so much a matter of believing we should be past the questions, as i agree their are some very vaid questions But i do believe we should be past the predjudices that exist. Ie, gay marriage for example

Do you believe that we should be past the prejudices, or do you believe that we should be past allowing people with prejudices to have a say in the matter?

Just for the record, this conversation revolves around a central point in the topic: whether M/M videos carry a stigma of homosexuality, hence why some don't watch them. I appreciate the mods' indulgence in letting the conversation continue.