What DON'T you like about M/M tickling? (a discussion)

[PainTrain]

Ah. My point precisely. Forgive us heterosexuals if we don't submit to the common homosexual contention that homosexuality isn't anything to be disgusted by.

Look, I just feel the exact same way that my buddy Oscar Wilde felt: "Homosexuality isn't normal. It's just common."

I think that's it in a nutshell. I think most people are willing to be tolerant, and draw the line at "openly accepting." And since this IS a free country, that might just have to do.

Look, I'm not asking for anyone to have a different opinion, I just want people to see both sides. "Common Homosexual Contention?" Most of us know that the average straight person (least, the ones I've dealt with) is disgusted by us, and if they had their way, we would probably be completely eliminated. I'm ok with that, because most of the ones in my life that feel that way, aren't man enough to say it to my face; they'd rather talk behind my back.

So it's fine that you feel the way you do. We can just carry on the same old relationship of mad-dogging each other as we cross paths in the hallway. (metaphor)

 

[Redmage]

Gremio, if gay men have sex some other way besides the way I described, would you kindly let us know? Are you trying to say that this is not how a man and a man have sexual intercourse? Is there some magical other way that us "homophobes" don't know about? Thanks.

It's the way you put it, TIB. You were doing the verbal equivalent of picking up something filthy, holding your nose, and putting it at arm's length. Any claim that you're comfortable about this subject is hard to reconcile with the way you talk about it.

In point of fact, though, there are at least two other ways that men have sex with men. At least, for those that come equipped with hands and mouths. Odd that you think it's all about anal.

Honestly this is interesting to me because now that I think of it, gay men seem to NEVER talk about how gay sex happens. It's like they pretend it doesn't.

That's a new one. Most of the time they get slammed for "flaunting their sexuality." Now they're being too discreet about it. But possibly they just don't like talking about it around you - which I would entirely understand given the attitudes we're seeing here. I've heard men talk about gay sex about as freely as I hear them talk about het sex.

And you must admit (keeping with the subject of this thread) that nearly every man who involves himself in a m/m tied and tickled scenario ... is either gay or bi.... right? You're not denying that are you?

I'm sure that's every bit as true as the statement "every woman who involves herself in an f/f tied and tickled scenario is either gay or bi."

 

[terorizer]

ROFL and can you post pics of his feet?

OMG NO YOU DI' IN!!! ROTFLMAO

On topic my only impressions are, that in this community, there is a tendency for some to express a truth for themselves as an absolute truth. It takes all kinds in our kink. Know thyself and be comfortable in your own ticklish skin I say.

 

[drew70]

Did he slip you the tongue?

No, I did.

Such passion. I wouldn't have expected that from you.

 

[10 armed tkler]

Women are expected to experiment in college, Guys are not. Why I do not like seeing M/M tickling is because I think it is gay and if a guy watches it he is gay or bi. Because this is a fetish and fetishes usually turn people on. I do not get turned on by guys getting tickled. I am an F/F and M/F guy. And that is that.

 

[Redmage]

Why I do not like seeing M/M tickling is because I think it is gay and if a guy watches it he is gay or bi. Because this is a fetish and fetishes usually turn people on. I do not get turned on by guys getting tickled. I am an F/F and M/F guy. And that is that.

See, on one level I can completely understand that: "I don't like it because it doesn't turn me on." Perfectly reasonable.

Then on the other hand we have "I don't watch it because I think if a guy watches it he's gay or bi." That's where you (and TIB, and all the rest who think this way) lose me. What you're saying is that even though you know perfectly well that you're not gay, you don't want to watch M/M because that might mean you really are gay, or because it might somehow make you gay.

I don't get that particular hang-up at all.

 

[ticklkitten]

I stayed a long ways away from this thread until tonight. And Strider's comment interested me... followed (or preceded, I don't rememeber) by Bagelfather's and then some other interesting ideas.

Since I'm female it's hard to me to put myself in the shoes of someone who is male viewing m/m. But I think whomever mentioned that men like to imagine themselves in the shoes of whoever is doing the "act" was probably closer to hitting the nail on the head than most people gave him credit for. After all, most of us view tickling as being sexual and associate with the act of sexual intercourse... whether it is part of or leading up to... or maybe just leading up to the act of masturbation. I've spoken with men at length about this and most guys seem to relate themselves to the man in the film having intercourse/tickling the girl. It's a fantasy situation.

And if he is someone who is uncomfortable with the fact of seeing a man in a sexual situation when it is not him and he can't relate to that man he tends to turn towards more f/f media.

Either way he wants to get his hands on a girl or have a girl's hands on him. And if that isn't a pleasing option if it involves viewing another man... f/f is the way to go. m/m obviously doesn't offer a choice such as this.

Then you add a dab of society's view on homosexuality and there are more than a few men out there who few m/m as homosexual in nature.

I believe the answer to this question is far simpler than many are making it. And some are skipping over those who answered it very well.

 

[Ace Riley]

Traditionally for me, tickling has always been all about the Ler. The age or gender of the lee never mattered to me. I grew up around female ticklers. I was conditioned at an early age to associate tickling with female domination. So it's always been a little disturbing to see guys doing the tickling. As I entered the tickling community several years ago, I found my particular philosophy of tickling gender orientation to be in the vast minority. Most guys like being the Ler and focus on females as Lees. Imagine my disappointment. Still, I was able to find common ground with most of the guys by immersing in F/F tickling. The other guys had their female Lee getting tickled. I had my female Ler doing the tickling. Life is good.

Over the years, I've tried to broaden myself beyond strictly F/* tickling. If I could get the same enjoyment out of M/* tickling think of the possibilities that would open. To this end, I've been trying to develop my Ler side, mostly at NEST. Though it's not a passion of mine yet, I do experience some level of enjoyment doing it. Another thing I've tried is watching M/M clips. In the beginning, it was just gross. Not as bad as watching gay male sex, but leaning that way. Over time, revulsion relaxed into mere disinterest.

But I have to confess that I actually saw an M/M clip that...well...looked pretty good. I began to think...Okay, what does this mean?...Am I turning gay? Bi, perhaps? Will I be fudgepacking with the best of them and giving snarlins in the men's room at Union Station? Not likely. So I took a good look at what it was about this specific clip that I found enjoyable. What I discovered was that it wasn't the gender, or any of the physical attributes of either participant. It was the tickling. The delivery was superb, and the reactions were spectacular. I was able to disregard the gender and simply view the scene as a person tickling another person half to death, and it was cool.

That was just one clip though. The others still do nothing for me, and some I still find gross. But I hope that one day, I can reach a place where I'll enjoy tickling with any and all gender orientations.

This post wins the thread. 🙂 LOL

 

[wendynpeter]

Look, I'm not asking for anyone to have a different opinion, I just want people to see both sides. "Common Homosexual Contention?" Most of us know that the average straight person (least, the ones I've dealt with) is disgusted by us, and if they had their way, we would probably be completely eliminated. I'm ok with that, because most of the ones in my life that feel that way, aren't man enough to say it to my face; they'd rather talk behind my back.

Well, I dunno Gremio... I have to say that almost every person *I* know, man or woman, is extremely tolerant and supportive of the gay people we all know, and bi/gay people in general. I don't anyone who'd say (even in an unguarded moment) that gay people should be "eliminated." Gay people are our brothers, sisters, cousins, sons, daughters ... I definitely think things are VERY different now than they were 19 years ago eith regard to gay/straight relations. That said, I also don't know one single person who would rather their child be gay.

So it's fine that you feel the way you do. We can just carry on the same old relationship of mad-dogging each other as we cross paths in the hallway. (metaphor)

Well, I doubt very seriously that I'd feel any animosity toward you at all. I wouldn't agree with you about everything, but do you have ANY friends that agree with you about everything? I'm sure you're a very nice person and I'd probably like you just fine. Not everything I say should be taken as my personal viewpoint -- I do argue in the abstract sometimes. I do very much believe Oscar Wilde had it right, but I would surely have admired him and would have wanted to be friends with him. There are a lot of gay people I admire very much. While my admiration has nothing to do with their sexual orientation, I wouldn't dismiss that part of who they were either. Just food for thought....

 

[Ace Riley]

I find this thread fascinating.

I haven't posted much, because I didn't feel I belonged here. This thread was explicitly designed for people who dislike m/m tickling. I am not one of those people, so I've been rather silent unless it was as a moderator. But I have been reading, and I've watched this thread go careening off course as I predicted. I honestly welcomed this thread as a place for people with preferences that differ from mine and others to speak their opinions in an appropriate place, where someone asked for their opinion. I hoped it wouldn't turn into yet another thread where people with a legit stance had to defend themselves. Ah well. Apparently this can't be discussed without it devolving into that. I don't understand that really, but I digress...

Personally I've never expected to change a non-m/m enthusiast's mind. I'll definitely challenge them on a few facts about it, and I'll ask them, rather vocally, to not say negative things to annoy me in threads that promote it, but I would no more expect them to change their minds than I would expect someone to finally convince me to like football (I live in Ohio and the whole life-overtaking Buckeye mania makes me nauseous every darn year ). If you ask me, I'll tell you that I think grown men running into each other on purpose is goofy. But only if you *ask* me. (and if you're not my ex-football player boyfriend who never needs another reason to spank me... 🙄 ) I don't go bothering people in football threads, I don't harrass my friends who have parties to watch the games, and I bite my tongue when the guy on the treadmill next to me at the gym scares the crap outta me screaming at the game on the overhead tv. Because spoiling their fun with my comments would be immature and in poor taste. Do I have a right to my opinion? Absolutely. Is it better for everyone to keep that opinion to myself unless asked? Absolutely. Bringing down someone else's positive experience serves only the most selfish of purposes.

Guys, seriously: all m/m fans, or f/m fans or m/wookie fans or whatever, ask is to be allowed to enjoy their clips and threads and such in peace. Please do not confuse your right to express yourself with the right to add needless negativity. I don't mean threads where your opinion is asked for and valuable however others may disagree, I mean threads where debate is not the purpose and frankly no one asked you.

/Bellarant

This post requires mention as well, as well as MANY MANY of you here. I'm not a fan of m/m tickling, but I am a fan of tickling! And if the tickling is good, whether in a video, or a story, then you will also find me, Ace there 🙂.

I think most of the answered here are exactly what we've been looking for and have answered the OP's question perfectly. We have gone off-track, but what's important is that this is a very fascinating thread, and now it's off to the archives forever to be remembered by those who drop in!

...now, since we're off the rails already, who's with me when I think there needs to be more M/WOOKIE!? GrRRrRrRRAaAaAUuuU!

 

[wendynpeter]

I stayed a long ways away from this thread until tonight. And Strider's comment interested me... followed (or preceded, I don't rememeber) by Bagelfather's and then some other interesting ideas.

Since I'm female it's hard to me to put myself in the shoes of someone who is male viewing m/m. But I think whomever mentioned that men like to imagine themselves in the shoes of whoever is doing the "act" was probably closer to hitting the nail on the head than most people gave him credit for. After all, most of us view tickling as being sexual and associate with the act of sexual intercourse... whether it is part of or leading up to... or maybe just leading up to the act of masturbation. I've spoken with men at length about this and most guys seem to relate themselves to the man in the film having intercourse/tickling the girl. It's a fantasy situation.

And if he is someone who is uncomfortable with the fact of seeing a man in a sexual situation when it is not him and he can't relate to that man he tends to turn towards more f/f media.

Either way he wants to get his hands on a girl or have a girl's hands on him. And if that isn't a pleasing option if it involves viewing another man... f/f is the way to go. m/m obviously doesn't offer a choice such as this.

Then you add a dab of society's view on homosexuality and there are more than a few men out there who few m/m as homosexual in nature.

I believe the answer to this question is far simpler than many are making it. And some are skipping over those who answered it very well.

Spot ON!! VERY good post!!

 

[jk666uk]

This post requires mention as well, as well as MANY MANY of you here. I'm not a fan of m/m tickling, but I am a fan of tickling! And if the tickling is good, whether in a video, or a story, then you will also find me, Ace there 🙂.

I think most of the answered here are exactly what we've been looking for and have answered the OP's question perfectly. We have gone off-track, but what's important is that this is a very fascinating thread, and now it's off to the archives forever to be remembered by those who drop in!

...now, since we're off the rails already, who's with me when I think there needs to be more M/WOOKIE!? GrRRrRrRRAaAaAUuuU!

grRRrRrRRAaAaAUuuU

 

[tickler_n_black]

Sorry, was out of town for 2 days.
Will type more tomorrow.

 

[Bagelfather]

that is a shame

Such passion. I wouldn't have expected that from you.

Actually kissing using the tongue is not necessarily passionate, it is just a style of kissing. The most erotic kiss I have ever had was from a lesbian when I was about 18 and it involved only her kissing my lower lip. To this day that has been my benchmark of an erotic kiss.

If you doubt my passion you can ask anyone I have dated. I am a very passionate individual. However, I think this is getting off topic. You may want to start a different thread if you wish to continue my pseudo homo-erotic adventures that titilate you so much.

 

[wendynpeter]

Ummm... No one assigned me to be the topic police, but... how does the above relate in any way to what people don't like about M/M tickling videos? Has everyone said just about everything they have to say on the topic? I just want to know 'cause if you guys are going to morph this thread into a discussion of kissing techniques, I can stop monitoring this one...

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

& I personaly find homosexuality offensive & disgusting & I'm against it because GOD is against it, & who am I to argue with the Creator. I dont hate them, I was just raised like many others that homosexuality is wrong.

Oh geez, spare me the self-righteous accusations. If he hates gays what does he think of judgemental people..look that up. I sure you'll be surprised at it's answer.

As for the guys that say they like to imagine themselves in the situation of tickling or sex and m/m makes them gay..hmmm, if you watch f/m or f/f are you growing a uterus as we speak???

 

[wendynpeter]

Oh geez, spare me the self-righteous accusations. If he hates gays what does he think of judgemental people..look that up. I sure you'll be surprised at it's answer.

Right on.

As for the guys that say they like to imagine themselves in the situation of tickling or sex and m/m makes them gay..hmmm, if you watch f/m or f/f are you growing a uterus as we speak???

Did anyone actually say that watching gay porn "makes them gay"??? What I THINK people said was that watching M/M tickling does nothing for them because they aren't gay or bi. Two entirely different concepts, Guy.

 

[tickler_n_black]

So as a straight guy I have no interest in seeing "straight fireman getting his cock and balls tickled and sucked by Mark" (lol at TIB, I cracked up when I read that.)

LOL!
I couldn't resist. It's true. I've run across video descriptions like that. Outright lies. It doesn't say "the fake scenario of this clip is..... and both participants are actually flaming with gayness in their personal lives"

It flat out says as truth "straight fireman bla bla bla" or worse yet "straight 18 year old boy agrees to be tied up, tickled, and balls sucked by 50 year old Mark."

Haha, this is simply a gay producer fantasizing about turning straight men gay. Good luck with that mister "producer."

 

[wendynpeter]

Haha, this is simply a gay producer fantasizing about turning straight men gay.

I don't know who else has had similar experiences, but ... I've always been around gay people - almost all my life. So I've had lots of propositions. The argument that "it doesn't make you gay if you let me suck your dick" is a venerable old come on in gay culture. Gay men LOVE to seduce "straight boys."

Of course, the takers aren't straight. And the next argument is "you're gay, you're just in denial. If you aren't gay, you wouldn't have enjoyed it." Then they get together with their friends and laugh about it. I've been there when they're talking about it. Hundreds of times. It's a popular topic.

All that said, I'm very grateful for my gay friends. I've had every opportunity in the world to have gay experiences without any negative judgment at all, and I've never done it. I've never had to feel threatened or question my sexuality at all. I have to believe that takes the edge off.

So the truth (for me) is that I CAN watch gay porn (it doesn't make you gay, trust me). It's just that I don't get a sexual thrill out of it. All things equal, I'd rather be watching something that makes my dick move.

 

[jk666uk]

& I personaly find homosexuality offensive & disgusting & I'm against it because GOD is against it, & who am I to argue with the Creator. I dont hate them, I was just raised like many others that homosexuality is wrong.

oh no you said god
people will kill you rounds here
rookle mistake

 

[tickler_n_black]

No, but seriously now, Gremio and Bagelperson... this thread was created for people who do NOT like m/m tickling videos to express why they do NOT like m/m tickling videos.

Did you start posting on this thread because you want to tell us why you DON'T like m/m tickling videos?

If you didn't come here to tell us why you don't like m/m tickling videos, then.... why are you on this thread at all? (that was clearly labeled in the first post)

Thanks.
🙂

 

[jk666uk]

Big Up Tib

 

[Bagelfather]

actually I am permitted to post here 🙂

No, but seriously now, Gremio and Bagelperson... this thread was created for people who do NOT like m/m tickling videos to express why they do NOT like m/m tickling videos.

Did you start posting on this thread because you want to tell us why you DON'T like m/m tickling videos?

If you didn't come here to tell us why you don't like m/m tickling videos, then.... why are you on this thread at all? (that was clearly labeled in the first post)

Thanks.
🙂

This is what you wrote originally:

Here is a thread dedicated to a specific subject.
Let's try and find out exactly WHY many people do not like M/M tickling clips.
There has to be reasons why many feel this way.
Let's get to the heart of the matter.

Give your input, but be civil about it.
Don't insult or name call. Just calmly explain yourself.

NOTE: This thread is intended ONLY for people who DO NOT like M/M tickling, and is a place for them to dig deep down and tell us why.

I think many of us can learn something from such a discussion.'

So you want to have a one sided discussion. I gave feedback in my post of the bdsm community and homosexuality as a reason why I think it is prevelant. I am not saying dislike of m/m is wrong, I am simply stating that we should look into the deeper meanings. This soon degraded into attacks on homosexuality in general.

My original posts have been dissected to find things to mock and make fun of regarding 2 or 3 times in 36 years where I kissed a guy, whoopdee fricking doo.

I am not interested in m/m tickling, I do not like watching m/m tickling, but I support those who do. Therefore I am allowed by your definition to post to this thread.

If you wish for a civil discussion then I suggest that we should have a more mature discussion rather than sandbox diplomacy on homo erotic imagery.

Thank you 🙂

 

[tickler_n_black]

I am not interested in m/m tickling, I do not like watching m/m tickling,

There ya go. 🙂 You have finally contributed to the thread in the way that it was intended. To find out who does NOT like m/m, and why.

You stated above that you're not interested in it, and do not like watching it ...
So would you care to tell us WHY you don't like watching m/m?

Thanks.

 

[10 armed tkler]

I don't know who else has had similar experiences, but ... I've always been around gay people - almost all my life. So I've had lots of propositions. The argument that "it doesn't make you gay if you let me suck your dick" is a venerable old come on in gay culture. Gay men LOVE to seduce "straight boys."

Of course, the takers aren't straight. And the next argument is "you're gay, you're just in denial. If you aren't gay, you wouldn't have enjoyed it." Then they get together with their friends and laugh about it. I've been there when they're talking about it. Hundreds of times. It's a popular topic.

All that said, I'm very grateful for my gay friends. I've had every opportunity in the world to have gay experiences without any negative judgment at all, and I've never done it. I've never had to feel threatened or question my sexuality at all. I have to believe that takes the edge off.

So the truth (for me) is that I CAN watch gay porn (it doesn't make you gay, trust me). It's just that I don't get a sexual thrill out of it. All things equal, I'd rather be watching something that makes my dick move.

Yes but why would you? You say you can and it won't do nothing for you, but why would you watch it to prove it, if you can? I sure as hell can't. The only other dick I want to see is my own when I am having a passionate and/or sexual time with a woman.

But back on topic to those who say they watch it and say they are not gaye and/or defend it is at the least bi-curious. You don't just watch for the sake of watching something you find entertaining. Just because it has tickling in it. Its your fetish and yes fetishes are usally related to a sexual desire. So yes I am saying you are in denial.

"As for the guys that say they like to imagine themselves in the situation of tickling or sex and m/m makes them gay..hmmm, if you watch f/m or f/f are you growing a uterus as we speak???"-Ticklerguy4u

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