what happened to The Golden Rule

[goro911]

I cannot fucking resist sprinting to the ring to participate in this INTERNET ROYAL RUMBLE CONCERNING THE CHARACTER OF POSTERS ENJOYING TICKLING PORNOGRAPHY ON THE INTERNET. MILLIONS OF TICKLE BUCKS ARE AT STAKE

Anybody stupid enough to think that a producer would rape and fondle a model and try to promote it on a major public forum to make sales on clips4sale.com probably lacks the functional intelligence to use credit and thus should have no voice in this discussion.

Authenticity is the one thing that matters at all in tickling porn. Some of the more senior members here must unfondly recall some of the bad old days of fetish porn where you'd pay ridiculous bank on some shitty VHS tape that jumped from fucking awful scene to awful scene filled with filler and shit acting and unticklish pay-day models. Major thanks to the TMF for sticking around to cultivate a base and encourage producers to compete and improve. Without some kind of homebase I think there'd be a swath of folks who felt ashamed of their interests, thinking they were some kind of freak, thinking that tickling was as out of orbit as scat or other obscene interests.

Love it or hate it (and nobody has ever cared if you hate it), there is a rotund guy who produces a sincere product with fresh, ticklish talent, and he is willing to present that to the community en-masse in the form of cool and free preview content that you are free to purchase at your leisure. Good on him. It's more than 99.98% of like-minded fetish folks will ever contribute. Telling him that he himself is not your ideal model is fair criticism, but making it out like he's some freak for his interests is hypocritical and blazingly idiotic. It seems like any poster could insult any poster with shit like that... "LOL FREAK DO U WANK ON FEETSIES, COOTCHIE COOTCHIE COO WEIRDO."


It is a special flavor of pathetic that anybody feels supercharged enough about this very uncontroversial "big guy making porn" situation to whip up an unimpressive digital shitstorm through what we can correctly consider "aggravated internet stalking."

Be harmonious, this is a special corner of the internet just for us. There are tons of other, great places to be an asshole. We're all under the same moon.... and getting boners and wetsies to the same pixels on an internet forum hahahahhaha.


Producers are more than a screenname, they are in fact often shedding away leaping parts of their privacy and peace of mind in favor of expressing a sexual interest we share. But most everybody here is just a screenname with a post count. So maybe the real golden rule here is this:

Whenever you take yourself too seriously on the internet you come off like a first-team, full-ride-scholarship, complete and total blowhard dumbass. Everybody who has a more reasonable understanding of how to use the internet properly should point and laugh at such stupid fucking people.

Outtie 5000. Congrats indeed to everyone bold enough to make a dent here and especially to Tickle Abuse Tom for his abundant, bangin treasures.

 

[The Bandito]

Times are tough right now.

My own little opinion is that the TMF is a pretty decent cross-section of humanity. There are good people. There are bad people. There are loud people. There are quiet people.

All the same rules apply. As a producer of material (Tommy and any video producers, artists, writers, etc etc etc) you're putting work out there to be admired or insulted. We hear the loud people and the bad people easier than we hear the nice people or the quiet people.

I feel like the last few years have been brutal. The economy is tough right now. A lot of people aren't working, and those that are are likely doing 3x more work than they used to and are earning less for their trouble. I think that sort of thing manifests itself in visible ways on a forum like this.

I also think that a lot of the issues inherent to this forum are sensitive, delicate, volatile issues. Porn in and of itself is ripe with controversy. Add to that the potential objectification of women, men, donkeys...the non-consentual edge that a LOT of tickling includes, and the fact that most people respond to tickling in a non-intellectual way...and you get a ton of emotion and passion in a small community.

We're ticklers and ticklelees. Half the time we react before we think. It's kinda who we are. So in my infinite wisdom I'm gonna lay down my own solomonic advice:

1.) To the producers: you're appreciated. You are. As an artist myself who tries to sell some things to this community, please know that even on your worst day...you are appreciated. Often you aren't told you're appreciated. Often when you are - it comes in dollars and not in words. But trust me...no matter how loud the critics, your work is desperately valued by people in this community.

2.) To the Loud ones: and you know who are. You're not always right. You're just not. I'm included in this as well...I could be completely off my nut in posting all this. It's true. So let's all try to stop acting like our opinions are the ONLY correct opinions. Seriously. (He says in a tone - utterly overflowing with confidence that he is correct) 😛

3.) To the Mods: you guys do a great job. And guess what, you're appreciated too. Like the producers, you'll never hear the praise from the nice quiet ones over the constant roar of the loud mean ones. But you're still doing a fantastic job.

4.) To all of us: just sorta be nice. I know it's lame. I know it's challenging. I know being a cynically detached butthole is easier and sometimes more fun. But...well...that's really what the golden rule is supposed to mean. We can endlessly debate...but let's be nice. We can critique the things we don't care for...but let's be nice. If you see someone being mean...report them...but be nice. (Do I sound like Swayze in "Road House to anyone else?).

I'm not even sure why I'm posting here right now. I guess just cuz it's midnight, and I feel very strongly about this stuff, just like a lot of you.

The funniest thing is that even the loud mean people think that they're righteous. It's the single unifying characteristic of loud mean people. So here's my challenge to everyone (myself included):

If you're quiet and nice then speak up every once in a while and let people know when you appreciate their work, or comments, or whatever. But be nice.

If you're loud and mean (you likely think you're quiet and nice) so behave accordingly and read the above statement. But be nice.

If you're quiet and mean...just stay quiet. And try to still be nice.

And if you're loud and nice...then may the heavens shower you with fresh smelling things. But do try really hard to be nice. Because you're the one's we're all counting on.

Okay...my post can be skipped over now. Just remember...I'm right and fuck everyone. No no...

What I meant to say was...

...I love you guys...

***one giant community snuggle***

Anyone??

😵?

Hello???

**shuffles away slowly**

^^

Happy 2011 TMF!

The D(ee)t

 

[thetmfobserver]

Here are my 2 cents. (Actually, this turned into more of a $10.00 essay, but I digress)

1. There are always going to be people trying to cause trouble in a group of 100,000 +, especially when they're posting anonymously. Some people get pleasure out of other's pain. (Actually, that's a lot of what BDSM is, isn't it?) Seriously, though, some people are "trolls", and that's going to be that. They're not going to follow the "Golden Rule", no matter what. They'll find problems with free clips or pay clips, and won't be satisfied with anything. What can you do?

Actually, that brings me to point numero dos.

2. I personally think the Moderators should be enforcing the rules a lot MORE than they currently do, and not be as lenient as they are. They give people a lot of rope, and most of the time, those people just wind up hanging themselves, hurting a lot of people in the process. This is supposed to be a place for tickle lovers to embrace their fetish and share relationships, memories and media, NOT for people with too much time on their hands to cause trouble.

Think about it... If these "trolls" were in charge, what would they do? They'd be banning people left and right, I suspect, just for disagreeing with them, no matter the context. Thankfully, we have people like Myriads, HDS, Jeff, and other mods who are looking out for the TMF's best interest. I think it's time trolls stopped playing a part.

My suggestion:

3. The TMF rules are adhered to more stringently, and there is a three strike policy. Posters who are causing trouble are given one warning. If they don't shape up, they are removed from the website temporarily. How long their suspension lasts could be up for debate. Maybe a week, maybe a month, but enough for them to (hopefully) get the message that unless you're contributing positively to the TMF, there's no place for you here. Upon reinstatement, they are welcome to rejoin the ranks, but if they resume their "trolling", they are once again removed, and this time it would permanent.

Seem a little harsh? Unfair, even? Does it put the power of God in the hands of a chosen few?

Tough.

While this is a public forum, it was created by a small group of people, so it's their house. Play by their rules. If you don't like it, you're welcome to create your own tickling website. Nurture it along for a decade or so. Spend hours upon hours of time, perhaps some of your own money (I'm guessing), find sponsors to help keep you afloat, attract over 100,000 members, and then you can make your own rules. It will be your own Xanadu.

--

Basically, it comes down to this, my friends. There are other websites out there, but the TMF is where most of us call home. There are more media providers out there than I bet most of us ever dreamed there could be when we were young, tickle-crazed, and petrified we were alone in the universe. If this keeps up, I don't think we'll last another decade. Producers will get sick of the crap and find some other ways of peddling their wares. (Proof: Tickle Central still is one of Clips4Sale's top companies, and they haven't been here in months, if not years.)

Without the producers, people will get even more irritable, and eventually, Myriads, Jeff and the mods will get sick of doing all this work to watch us bicker and flame. They're human (well, the jury is still out on HDS, who might be a robot), they will tire of the tedium, and find something else to do. Same with the folks at Tickle Theater.

We'll wake up one morning, turn on the computer, and there will be nothing. No place for us to be part of the tickling community. No place to find free previews, images, stories and discussion of which cuffs work best. The world will be a sadder, lonelier place.

Personally, I don't want this to happen, and neither, I'm guessing, to the majority of my TMF brethren. Let's work to put an end to the trolling. Sure, we can disagree, but let's appreciate those who provide us with content for doing so. Be critical all you want, but let's keep it constructive.

I'm with Bandito. We need a group hug. Someone start singing "Kumbaya"

 

[Bohemianne]

If Confucius lives again to see how the Golden Rule helped the world now, he will have seizures and die twice.

 

[Mephistopheles]

I disagree 100% with you .

I don't. I'm a member on quite a few forums and I must say the team over here is doing a fine job. I was being a dick once and got a PM saying something along the lines of "please stop being a dick" and so I did. No problems there. There's no random banhammering of specific people for insignificant reasons or even for doing stuff the mods are doing as well.

But yeah, I'm all for banhammering those who want to slam producers for being overweight because well, if you don't like it, just don't fucking buy it (and besides, how many overweight people do you know who get their hands on beautiful women AND make money off it; he must be doing something right).

As for the FB thing, it's inevitable and there's no way of telling what the eventual impact will be so just let the chips fall where they may and we'll see whatever pieces need picking up.

 

[WheresThe Clip?]

Yes, that would be really hot now I come to think about it. Great idea, has it been done? Anyone?

Yes try this latest one from French Tickling http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=191550

 

[MrInc]

If I had said something like this, it would have been mostly ignored. I'm glad someone with clout is standing up for his fellow producer, and taking to task those who offer nothing to the community.

 

[badreligion]

I don't. I'm a member on quite a few forums and I must say the team over here is doing a fine job. I was being a dick once and got a PM saying something along the lines of "please stop being a dick" and so I did. No problems there. There's no random banhammering of specific people for insignificant reasons or even for doing stuff the mods are doing as well.

But yeah, I'm all for banhammering those who want to slam producers for being overweight because well, if you don't like it, just don't fucking buy it (and besides, how many overweight people do you know who get their hands on beautiful women AND make money off it; he must be doing something right).

As for the FB thing, it's inevitable and there's no way of telling what the eventual impact will be so just let the chips fall where they may and we'll see whatever pieces need picking up.

I was not talking about banhammering I am talking about times where certian members blatantly start flame wars and insult people and no reprimand was given because of who they are .

 

[Adam]

I don't envy the task of the moderators. When I first started out here a million years ago, the community was a small one with only a handful of regular posters. Over time, it has grown into something absolutely massive. Unfortunately, along with that, come the lunkheads... that "special" breed of society that just cannot resist being a dillweed for no other reason than to be a dillweed. It can get overwhleming at times. I have stepped away from active participation on the forums more than once, tired of the drama and nastiness. Fortunately, the majority of it is fleeting and it goes away once our mods pump the brakes.

There are, unfortunately, many who seem to skate by with sarcastic quips here and there. Like Myriads pointed out, there are the types that are kind of difficult to gauge. Are they making innocent quips or truly attempting to be disrespectful? It differs from poster to poster. Communication with these folks is a good thing, if possible.

On a personal note, Tommy, you are the man. The vast majority of this community greatly appreciates the contributions of you and our other fine video producers. If the day ever comes that you leave us, it would be a sad one indeed.

 

[unclebill]

If Confucius lives again to see how the Golden Rule helped the world now, he will have seizures and die twice.

I like you more every post.

 

[Big_Dogg85]

I have only recently begun purchasing clips (thank you computer that doesn't eternally suck!) and have enjoyed every cent I have spent doing so, which included a couple of clips from Tickle Abuse. The flaming and the insulting of clips, images and art are nothing new and while everyone who posts such material should be cautious to receive both praise and criticism, both founded and unfounded, the sheer meanness of the criticisms lately are astounding.

Now the one gripe I do have with some producers is that on their Clips 4 Sale page they do not use previews nor post them here and that makes it difficult for me to invest my money in the clip. Fortunately those producers seem to be in the minority and I am thankful for each producer who takes time out of their day to post previews of their clips here and on c4s, where usually the number of views here doesn't directly translate into sales.

Why do these producers deserve such mean-intentioned criticism? I don't think they're trying to heckle me into purchasing their clips or merch last I checked...they don't get in my face, tell me how good their clip is, or how much better their models are, and then get me to buy it... If someone were to get in your face to sell you something you didn't like and would not relent then meanness could be understandable as a means of getting the sales rep to back off but I don't believe any of the video producers here do that at all - they would be the most laid back sales representatives of all time in terms of selling their stuff. They don't force you to watch it or buy it if you don't want to. If you dealt with a sales rep who was like our video producers here and you didn't want a product they sold you would just move on to another area or leave the store without uttering a word, so why would people waste the time to insult someone when they haven't done a single founded and legitimate thing to deserve it?

It would be a sad day indeed if the majority of our video producers, writers and artists decided to no longer post their material here if this nature of unnecessary meanness were to continue but who could blame them for leaving? I sure wouldn't and I would wish them all the best too.

Cheers to the day when it finally clicks for people to think with their head instead of their ass and I leave with two bits of advice to those naysayers and insulters: Treat those as you wish to be treated and What Goes Around, Comes Around because karma really is a bitch! My sig says it all - CHECK YOURSELF, BEFORE YOU WRECK YOURSELF!

My two cents. 🙂

 

[skelyrata]

Let me put it this way

"Oh my God, that black man on top of that white woman is so gross and ugly!"

What would have happened if a member made a comment like the one above?

 

[rhiannon]

Someone would probably have pulled the racist card, although it might not have been applicable. 🙂

 

[tku]

"Oh my God, that black man on top of that white woman is so gross and ugly!"

What would have happened if a member made a comment like the one above?

Since that comment isn't implicitly racist towards either of the parties in question, the only thing that should happen is that the person making such remarks should be told to grow up, or ignored. Of course, what predictably happens is that somebody interprets that type of comment as a personal attack, gets terribly offended by it all and then a tedious debate about racism vs. race card occurs.

...Truth is though, in the context of the less positive comments that are usually thrown about in the clips section, the only relevant part of the above little hypothetical wax is that, unless somebody starts issuing threats to people or spitting venom en masse, you should just ignore them. Report it if you feel you need to bring it to the attention of the mods and just forget about it. Protesting "I shouldn't have to put up with this!" ad infinitum and dwelling on this childish crap is just masochistic - it is best to move on

 

[Comfort Eagle]

"Oh my God, that black man on top of that white woman is so gross and ugly!"

What would have happened if a member made a comment like the one above?

Some smartass probably would have made a remark like "I've never seen someone go through a six week diet and excessive routine and run the black off them".

Or something about the fat people civil rights movement.

That smartass would have probably been me. Because it's not the same thing. It's sort of similar to that thing, but they are in no way equal.

 

[Darth Sidious]

My opinion on this is some of the comments are a representation of society in general. Even as the years turn, trends change...society changes with it to some degree. Some of the posts are in fact negative w/no real factual basis to it. Others are both positive and negative but provide supporting detail to back them up. I think some things are just not going to be deemed socially acceptable, others moderately, and some definately... and that's just the way society in part is. It's not exclusive to just this forum and the content created either - we find this in everyday business, how people treat one another, etc.

The first amendment is far reaching - the reactions to some of these posts I think are basically a representation of the TMF culture - it too has changed since inception. I'd prefer to see the comments targeted specifically to the content at hand rather than personal stuff that is frankly, irrelevant to the content being posted. Who cares about that stuff, really?! Are we selling tabloids now?! NO 😛

I just don't comment on producers material who I do not agree or support, because everytime you do, you help them get bumps that they probably don't deserve. I guess some people do not think before they comment or just lack any class whatsoever... it's trully sad.

 

[ElFewja]

Statistically? Healthy people are healthier (live longer and are less likely to become sick, be it minor or major). Yeah, there are some things. I believe Africans are pre-dispositioned to sickle-cell? But yeah, heart disease has a higher mortality rate and can be associated with weight.

Yeah, it sucks that a persons biology naturally makes them less healthy, but that's how it is.

-Etc.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Person A is a minority.
Person B has a thyroid disorder which basically causes them to be fat as hell, regardless of what they eat or do.

Please explain clearly the logic behind someone discriminating against person A being worse than someone discriminating against person B. Both people are being discriminated against for natural physical appearance and any conceptions that may bring. Especially when, in this day and age, a 400+ pound individual (regardless of their reason for being that size) is far more likely to be turned down for a job than any member of a minority who is healthy and physically fit.

I'm unaware of the nations long and brutal history of denying people with thyroid disorders civil rights. Perhaps you can link me to some literature on obese lynchings?

 

[rhiannon]

Person B has a thyroid disorder which basically causes them to be fat as hell, regardless of what they eat or do.

Uh, sorry, but not everybody who is obese has a thyroid disorder!

Especially when, in this day and age, a 400+ pound individual (regardless of their reason for being that size) is far more likely to be turned down for a job than any member of a minority who is healthy and physically fit.

Of course, because they appear to be sick less than someone who is obviously not healthy and physically fit.

 

[miskiduk]

Uh, sorry, but not everybody who is obese has a thyroid disorder!



Of course, because they appear to be sick less than someone who is obviously not healthy and physically fit.

Yep, may not be what our culture tries to teach us is a very 'nice' thing to say. Completely true however.
Like it or not, it's perfectly understandable that an employer would choose an applicant that seem more likely to 'go the distance' and take less sick days - they're in it to make money, not to be PC.

 

[c7_assassin]

Also, when you choose to appear on film, you're giving people a pass to judge you based on your physical appearance. Of all people, a porn producer should understand this best of all. Film is a visual medium, and life is not the Special Olympics.

 

[Inverse]

Wow this thread has derailed, click on page 1, then page 7. It's like two different threads.

-_-

I just wanted to comment on:

I came here because I was into Tickling and that's it. For producers to post content that simulates non-consensual sexual acts (including Tickling), and then pass that off as okay because the model is (of course) acting is missing the point. This makes all producers of this sort of crap the same as those in mainstream Hollywood or the computer game industry who make violent material, and then take no responsibility for the rise of violence in society.

I'm sorry~ but there is absolutely nothing wrong in my opinion with non-consensual fantasy. Every other fetish under the sun from spanking, to bondage, to electro-stim to whips-lashes and fucking candle-wax has non-consensual themes for those that desire it.

It really, REALLY frustrates me when the tickling community take their vanilla perspectives and rub it in the face of other tickle fetishists, as if my desire to relive that memory where yes, friends grabbed hold of someone and tickled them against their will. Where the fantasy of written tickling stories where people are interrogated and tickled against their will can be put into video.

Nearly 90% of the media we have even on MTP's own comics and the tickling artwork we have on this board simulates nonconsensual play, but we freak the hell out when the same is done simulated on video?

Please, you have a fetish~ some people have theirs. What tickling is to you, is not the same as the rest of us. Nobody has a right to judge others on how tickling should affect them. God it makes me sick to my stomach... we're already such a small community, that to see that kind of thing done to others and the PRODUCERS who dare to push the envelope~ just irritates me.

Unless you're being paid to psychoanalyze someone in a private session, you have no right to speak about someones fetish for the intense as if it were disturbing. That's the same as anyone here mocking or insulting someone for any other fetish... and I'm sorry, on almost 100% of the fetish sites I've been to, that's worth of an instant BAN in their communities.

You go to Fet-Life and say something about someone's fetish for ball-gag kidnapping scenarios~ how sadistic the whipping until skin breaks is. How they shouldn't be catered to, and dare to talk about the producers and the people they cater to and you will be kicked to the curb so fast by anyone with any power to do so.

My 4 cents. Sorry, it's something that's really irritated me for years and I just had to say it.

I like the coochie-coo level of tickling just as much as anyone. But forgive me for thinking that tickling can be more than that too without feeling ashamed about it.

 

[Babbles]

Racism is recognized as stupid hate. "Weight-ism?" isn't on the books yet.

There is obviously nothing wrong with sane adults who exert self control exploring ANY fantasy as long as it's with other completely willing and fully informed adults who *really know what they're in for --

(though yes I'd have to wonder about physically damaging fetishes, but --- another category).

There is also nothing wrong with asking that producers make it clear --- as Skelyrata did, eventually --- that it's definitely all FANTASY and not TRUE CRIME, lookit what I got away with!!
(I would rather forgo MY OWN fantasy than have it appear someone's been tricked into pushing limits too far "legally." THIS is where too many of us differ & this is where I've also been purposely misquoted too often.)

As any movie would be rated & categorized in "real life." And I believe they *are required to make note that no animals were harmed, when animals are used. Why that shouldn't apply to human models or videos here is beyond me, a small-print statement won't blow the fantasy but I realize that's another issue.

The more primary issue ---- to make fun of a producer or model for their weight or appearance in any video, whether or not he makes vids which appear non-con, ---- is not necessary feedback but obviously just petty, mean & inflammatory.

What you view as unattractive can be gorgeous to the next person, and if you have a problem with heavy people,
and have a diet you'd like to suggest to the person you can PM it.
Hopefully you've used it yourself...

Race is a somewhat different matter because though it also falls under the "appearance" category, it's understood (by most) that that is a superficial non-issue
and THAT branch of stupid harmful bigotry is recognized as (stupid harmful bigotry).

Weight (and other markers of of subjective attractiveness) seem/s to be a topic more available for ridicule though it obviously shouldn't be,
maybe because it crosses all races, cultures, beliefs, etc.

 

[skelyrata]

There is a disclaimer

There is obviously nothing wrong with sane adults who exert self control exploring ANY fantasy as long as it's with other completely willing and fully informed adults who *really know what they're in for --

(though yes I'd have to wonder about physically damaging fetishes, but --- another category).

There is also nothing wrong with asking that producers make it clear --- as Skelyrata did, eventually --- that it's definitely all FANTASY and not TRUE CRIME, lookit what I got away with!!
(I would rather forgo MY OWN fantasy than have it appear someone's been tricked into pushing limits too far "legally." THIS is where too many of us differ & this is where I've also been purposely misquoted too often.)

As any movie would be rated & categorized in "real life." And I believe they *are required to make note that no animals were harmed, when animals are used. Why that shouldn't apply to human models or videos here is beyond me, a small-print statement won't blow the fantasy but I realize that's another issue.

The more primary issue ---- to make fun of a producer or model for their weight or appearance in any video, whether or not he makes vids which appear non-con, ---- is not necessary feedback but obviously just petty, mean & inflammatory.

What you view as unattractive can be gorgeous to the next person, and if you have a problem with heavy people,
and have a diet you'd like to suggest to the person you can PM it.
Hopefully you've used it yourself...

Race is a somewhat different matter because though it also falls under the "appearance" category, it's understood (by most) that that is a superficial non-issue
and THAT branch of stupid harmful bigotry is recognized as (stupid harmful bigotry).

Weight (and other markers of of subjective attractiveness) seem/s to be a topic more available for ridicule though it obviously shouldn't be,
maybe because it crosses all races, cultures, beliefs, etc.

At the bottom of my blog page says: "We do not encourage or endorse sexual violence against women. Our objective is to explore erotic games and fantasies that people can imitate at home and make each moment of passion a unique one. Movies and images featured on this website were performed by consenting adults, who are given a safeword and sign a release to approve the work done. All models located within our websites were at least 18 years of age or older during the time of photography and participated on their free will. Nobody was harmed intentionally during filming."

At the end of every preview there is a disclaimer that says that all talents gave consent and participated on her free will.

Also, the point of this thread and the question about the Golden Rule was regarding people that make comments that are desrispectful or just an insult at the personal level.

Regardless of who you are or what you believe, nobody should be allowed to say "that fucking negger ruined that clip because he is a fucking negger, that sizzy fagger ruined that clip because he is a fagger, that big fat moby dick ruined that clip because he is big and fat, etc." It doesn't matter how you put it or try to justify it, it is wrong because the comment doesn't really address the content of the clip itself.

We can debate the rape fantasy aspects in another thread, and it can make a hell of a discussion, that is a content based discussion, but when it is allowed for people to throw hate attacks to others then we have a problem of tolerance in a forum where diversity is the key element.

And by the way, interracial sex is a fetish, girl-girl is a fetish, why can't we accept fat guy with beautiful woman as a fetish too!!! Heck that has been my fantasy for years!!!!

 

[meangry]

what is this...I don't even...