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What really happened on 9/11?A pack of lies were told, among other things. PART 4!!!

Myriads said:
Jim,

For those readers who are a touch confused, and might prefer a flash card of some of your core concepts, how about providing some digest answers to the following:

I keep forgetting; several of the repliers here are new to this series of stuff. I have outlined this before of course, but they may not have seen it.

Myriads said:
Who rules the world? By this I mean what is the current titular name for ‘Them’ and from where do they operate? A simple X controls Y who controls 1,2,3 will do. Who’s on top? Give us an outline to the best of your knowledge.

I've heard several names for "them". The two most memorable ones are the Illuminati and the Global Elite. I prefer the second one because it's not so hokey or cliched. People tend to assume I mean some weird cabal of Freemasons or something similar, but this isn't true. These people operate from all over the world, through all countries and governments, all races, all religions, through financial institutions, the military, the top of media and the medical and scientific professions. Secretive organisations like the Freemasons are just another instrument through which the overall agenda is implemented, not the agenda itself. At the top of all industries, institutions and societies, they interconnect and co-operate. This often means controlling both sides in a war, and playing them off against each other. World War 2 was a classic case. Germany was left destitue by the incredibly unfair "peace" treaty, with hideous, economy destroying reparations laid down by France and Britain. After 15 years or so of death by starvation, Hitler walks into the German people's lives and becomes somewhat of a savior figure because they can eat again. Not only that but Germany becomes massively powerful on the world stage and begins to garner an empire. This attracts the attention of the "good guys" in Britain and America who fight the bloodiest war in History to dethrone him. What the public often don't know is that Hitler was funded largely from America, and in no small part by Henry Ford and Prescott Bush, the grandfather of the current President. They did this through something called the Union Banking Corporation which channelled money through the oil and steel empire of Fritz Thyssen. The same people who were supposed to be Hitler's enemies funded and controlled him.

Myriads said:
At what point did this group assume ‘control’, and begin sculpting world affairs to aid themselves?

This "group" is actually a relatively small gathering of families and they've controlled humanity since the beginning of recorded history. Two of the most prominent families involved are the Windsors, currently Britain's royal family; and the Bushes. George W. Bush is a cousin of Prince Charles. He was also a cousin of his alleged "opponent" in the 2000 election, Al Gore. Both Bush and Gore can trace their lineage back through the nobility and royalty of Europe as far as Charlemagne and Alfred the Great of England. I havn't had time to trace the lineage of John Kerry, but I could guess that his blood is bluer than ink as well.

Traced even farther back this world controlling bloodline ruled the civilisations of the ancient world such as Egypt, Greece, Rome, Sumer and Babylon. Since time immemorial they have been obsessed with interbreeding with each other, keeping their bloodlines pure and unsullied. Thar's gold in that thar DNA! Perhaps it would explain why 34 of the 43 men who have been President of the United States can also trace their heritage back to Charlemegne and the cake-burning gimboid. The others had lesser links and were usually married to someone whose bloodline was connected; Bill Clinton being a good example.

Myriads said:
What is their reason for doing this? Ruling the planet and managing world events seems to be a real pain in the ass. So the payout must be something that one can’t get more mundane ways. What is it?

Why is any person who gets into politics suddenly infested with the desire for power? These people have been controlling humanity for a long time now and they pretty much regard it as their birthright. Monarchs of Europe sometimes refer to their "divine right" to rule. Even though such is not openly spoken of in America, it seems very prominent there too.

Controlling people has become increasingly difficult over the years. Fewer and fewer people are just accepting their lot in life and bowing and scraping to their lords and masters. People protest their governments in greater and greater numbers, ordinary citizens stand up for what they believe in and be damned to the consequences.
The agenda now is aiming at greater centralisation of power, in fewer and fewer organisations and hands. The push is towards a world government, a world army, a world currency and a microchipped population. Most people would hate the idea of any of those, so the "Elite" use a technique that has been termed problem-reaction-solution. You want to introduce something to give you more power, but you know the people would tell you to get stuffed. It can be laws that give the military and police greater and greater powers, a central market economy, a run on a currency, whatever. So you introduce a problem. Take my example from earlier, that of the Second World War. Following the devastation the people very understandably say, "Something must be done! We can't go on like this!". Unfortunately the very next thing people said was... "What are they going to do about it?"
What "They" did about it was to introduce the United Nations, a stalking horse for world government that wasn't as toothless as it's predecessor, the League of Nations; and with the advent of the manufactured Cold War, NATO. (The stalking horse for the world army.) These were pushed on the people by telling them that preventing another war depended on it. Over the years they swell and gradually turn into something far more sinister and unilateral. Best example of that is the European Union, which now dictates to it's member nations, regardless of the fact that the gits doing the dictating weren't elected by the people. This evolved from the common market of the 50's, which was foisted on the people by telling them they'd sarve if they didn't join it.
"Just a free trade area people, no need to worry about sovreignty."
Some bloody laugh that was. The EU is as far from a mere free trade area and as close to a communist dictatorship as you could get. Ted Heath must be proud.

Myriads said:
Short answers to some of these might help many here understand what viewpoint you are bringing to your writings.

Myriads

*sighs*

I tried to be as short as I could, but I just knew that quick-fire bullet points wasn't going to be my style.
 
JoBelle said:
You're right. They weren't privey to what I sent in the PM. I wrote to you in PRIVATE to keep the snappiness down here. You SHOULD have fired back in private.

Actually, this is something that was bothering me for most of last night. I do apologise for mentioning something that was said in private in a public forum. I can appreciate that it would have been better to only talk about the stuff in public that you mentioned in public. I snapped (in the psychological, not verbal sense) when I saw you taking a poke at the assertion about America's legal status. From the way you phrased it I got the distinct sense that you'd not looked up the legal statutes I mentioned in Part 3, so were just taking the opportunity to make a snarky remark about what I was saying again. I'm sorry I mentioned the private remarks you made to me here.

I do not apologise however, for my views or for the way I present them. Anyone who's known me through the TMF for any length of time, knows just exactly what a big lover of America and americans I am. I can't count the times I've made remarks about how much I love the spirit of the place, or the way it's people grab life by the cojones and just live. But I will always speak out against anything I see as underhand or done for conspiratorial puposes. That isn't anything to do with America per se, it just happens to be that way because it's the most powerful "country" in the world.
I respect your homeland as much as anyone and more than most. I make a point of doing so publicly as well. Critiscising people in power who happen to be Americans, or corrupt agencies like the FAA doesn't change that and I will vociferously make that point when anyone questions my xenophobia.
 
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So nobody saw through my metaphor about Shakespeare? Disappointing! It's just trying to clarify the concept of a man wasting his whole life to prove something completely useless. This metaphor's original was about Homer and the Ilias, but for clarity I transponded it to Shakespeare. :sigh:

Jim, I refrain from commenting on your comment replying to my comment to your story. I'll wait till I have read the other half part of it, then I'll post my comment on it and my comment on your comment on my comment...

I think I need a beer and an Aspirin!
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Two very recent examples of "problem-reaction-solution".

Oklahoma Bombing: Within 24 hours of the Alfred P. Murrah building being bombed, Bill Clinton passed legislation through Congress giving vast amounts of power to the military in the event of civil disturbance. Like many things done in the glare of the public eye, the official version can be taken apart like a packet of naco chips, but most people still believe the version that saturated their consciousness within 24 hours of the incident.

The exceedingly dangerous legislation was passed through without so much as the flicker of an eyelid from any senator or congressman, because they were all terrified of being labelled "un-patriotic"; a very convenient moniker the "Elite" uses to manipulate the American people. "Do what we say, or you're helping the terrorism! Do what we say or you're un-patriotic!" In other words...
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9/11: The result of this was the Patriot Act; legislation that gives the government carte- blanche to ignore the Constitution, international law and the Hague and Geneva Conventions, simply by invoking the dreaded words... "In the interests of national security".
All across the country the government has internment sites where the prisoners have no rights, no visits and no representation or legal advice. By vaguely suggesting that all so interred are involved in terrorism, the government can imprison who it likes and the people cheer them for it.
 
What I have found out about terrorism is this: the old model suggested that if you cut off the head the body will die. That model no longer exists. It's now cut off one head, another will take its place. Now each cell is independent of the other. 9/11 could have been avoided, sure, NORAD could have spotted them sure, but in times like these its a lose/lose situation. Lose a little, and take out all the cells of terrorist activity, or lose a lot and the terrorist win. We have to sacrifice a little to acheive ultimate victory in the war on terror

Btw Jim, enjoyed reading your posts. very insightful😀
 
BigJim said:
I've heard several names for "them". The two most memorable ones are the Illuminati and the Global Elite. I prefer the second one because it's not so hokey or cliched. People tend to assume.... (Basically the whole post, but no need to quote it all.)


What about the civilizations of Asia? How do their ruling classes and families fit into this? You only mentioned the European/Medditeranean (I know I butchered that one.😀 ) empires.
 
BigJim said:
At the moment then, Part 6 is gonna be the happy bunny thread, where I can finally focus on solutions and prove that the "common man" is more powerful than the demons of world politics.
Well said, mate. The citizenry is the most powerful entity within any country - I just wish more peeps would realize that, instead of bemoaning the fact that "I'm just one person, what can I do?"

Has nobody learned anything of value from LOTR?!? (I humbly ask of thee, squire) 😛

As well, Jim-balaya, can you send me some of the crack-cocaine, diet pills, and/or methamphetamines that you obviously consume, vociferously, that allows you TO SCARE THE LIVING BOLLOCKING BEJEEBUS OUTTA ME EVERY TIME YOU WRITE A LUCID ARGUMENT AT 3am?!!?(after working the night-shift) 😛

Phew! Sorry, mate, had to get that off my chest. Only one resident Rhode Scholar allowed at a time and I'm just waiting for my chance to usurp you in a bloodless coup. 🙂

Cheers.😀

P.M.S. Will somebody please pass the Grey Poupon?
 
HisDivineShadow said:
What about the civilizations of Asia? How do their ruling classes and families fit into this? You only mentioned the European/Medditeranean (I know I butchered that one.😀 ) empires.

Sumer and Babylon were in Asia mate. Where they were is currently situated within modern-day Iraq.
 
natural tickler said:
What I have found out about terrorism is this: the old model suggested that if you cut off the head the body will die. That model no longer exists. It's now cut off one head, another will take its place. Now each cell is independent of the other. 9/11 could have been avoided, sure, NORAD could have spotted them sure, but in times like these its a lose/lose situation. Lose a little, and take out all the cells of terrorist activity, or lose a lot and the terrorist win. We have to sacrifice a little to acheive ultimate victory in the war on terror

If you think sacrificing a little means doing whatever you have to to win the war, you're going to LOVE Part 5. Ever seen a photo of a baby mutated to look like an orc because of depleted uranium being used on residential areas of Baghdad? I have.

Also your post seems to indicate that you believe the entire official line about the "War on Terror". Do you?

natural tickler said:
Btw Jim, enjoyed reading your posts. very insightful😀

Insightful as in they make you piss yourself laughing?:wow:
 
Haltickling said:
So nobody saw through my metaphor about Shakespeare? Disappointing! It's just trying to clarify the concept of a man wasting his whole life to prove something completely useless. This metaphor's original was about Homer and the Ilias, but for clarity I transponded it to Shakespeare. :sigh:

You're obviously mistaking me for someone with an education Hal. 😉
 
BigJim said:
Sumer and Babylon were in Asia mate. Where they were is currently situated within modern-day Iraq.

I knew that you daft bugger. 😀 I meant China, Japan, the Mongols, Huns, and India. (Or any others I forgot).
 
HisDivineShadow said:
I knew that you daft bugger. 😀 I meant China, Japan, the Mongols, Huns, and India. (Or any others I forgot).

I've written pretty extensively, though not exhaustively, about those civillisations. Try threads 1-3 if you havn't already seen them. Failing them, try "The big politics/religion thread".
 
Last night a program was on one of the independent tv stations regarding the Gulf War. The US media only showed organized strikes in non-residential places. It made the war look as if only the enemy was being attacked away from innocent citizens. A former NBC news reporter was in Iraq at the time and shot footage of residential cities being obliterated by American missiles. Funny how none of that ever made it to tv! The reporter was fired by the then president of NBC for trying to air the footage. It was said in this documentary that 175,000 children died in the Gulf War that were not accounted for in the media.

It was a huge mess over there. If we are as hated in the Middle East as it has been said, I don't wonder why. Their country has been ruined by war and the media only reports what they're told.

As far as the world being run by a small group or groups of people, I heard about that approx. 15yrs ago. This is not news to me at all. I know that if someone creates a boogey-man for people to fear, the people want someone to make it go away. Unfortunately, it has been at the cost of our civil liberties slowly getting chipped away at in Congress every day. I certainly didn't agree to the Patriot Act, but I bet my Congressman voted it in. It invades our privacy to levels we couldn't imagine. You can't even make a transaction on your own home (purchase, sale, or refinance) without a copy of Patriot Act literature for the homeowners to sign. If not, you're not getting any money for your home. These people have the right to tap your phone, access bank accounts, intercept your email and invade your privacy just in the interest of national security. What stops them from trampling on your rights because you belong to a fetish board that has a general discussion panel that says things they don't like discussed? What stops them from landing on any of our doorsteps?

There are many people on this board who don't like the term "conspiracy theory". I don't like it either, but there's definitely something rotten in the US. Each day something else appears out of sync with what was done previously in government decision making. I think they're just forgetting where the last pile of the mess they made was swept. I think as time goes on, that more will be exposed to the point that my cat wouldn't be able to deny that there is more hidden that meets the eye.

Once again, this is kis waiting for the other shoe to drop........
 
Good point, kis.
What it's gonna take to convince some people I've talked to that the enemy is not the aging, gray haired old Woodstock veteran who sends his money to support Greenpeace, I don't know. We have plenty of enemies who are NOT Saddam, or Osama Bin Laden, or some waiter in a Paris bistro. What's it going to take to open people's eyes?
 
Moses25 said:
Well said, mate. The citizenry is the most powerful entity within any country - I just wish more peeps would realize that, instead of bemoaning the fact that "I'm just one person, what can I do?"

Indeed. Possibly the greatest trick ever played on a citizen, was to make him feel small and powerless. Great countries are built on their citizens courage and moral fibre. It is just that quality that can reign in a government who takes too much on itself and tramples on the freedoms we usually take for granted.


Moses25 said:
As well, Jim-balaya, can you send me some of the crack-cocaine, diet pills, and/or methamphetamines that you obviously consume, vociferously, that allows you TO SCARE THE LIVING BOLLOCKING BEJEEBUS OUTTA ME EVERY TIME YOU WRITE A LUCID ARGUMENT AT 3am?!!?(after working the night-shift) 😛

Sorry mate. I promise I won't dance naked on web-cam again.

Moses25 said:
Phew! Sorry, mate, had to get that off my chest. Only one resident Rhode Scholar allowed at a time and I'm just waiting for my chance to usurp you in a bloodless coup. 🙂

lol You think I have an education good enough to get a Rhodes Scholarship? Well even if you ignore the fact that Rhodes's Scholarships are only awarded to non-English people, I was removed from school at 15 because I was in the process of having a nervous breakdown and havn't managed to return since, due to various considerations. You might say that I was a cherry stone that the educational system couldn't digest. 😀 (Probably just as well for my sake really.)

Moses25 said:
Cheers.😀

Arse!

Moses25 said:
P.M.S. Will somebody please pass the Grey Poupon?

The what? 😕
 
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kis123 said:
Last night a program was on one of the independent tv stations regarding the Gulf War. The US media only showed organized strikes in non-residential places. It made the war look as if only the enemy was being attacked away from innocent citizens. A former NBC news reporter was in Iraq at the time and shot footage of residential cities being obliterated by American missiles. Funny how none of that ever made it to tv! The reporter was fired by the then president of NBC for trying to air the footage. It was said in this documentary that 175,000 children died in the Gulf War that were not accounted for in the media.

Only that many? Personally I think it's a lot more. If you read the other threads you'll notice that I reported Madelline Albright confessing live on TV that the combination of decidedly non-smart bombing and the sanctions after the 91 affair had caused the deaths of over 1,000,000 Iraqi children. She said this in either 95 or 96. 8 or 9 years ago! It was in fact my reporting of this TV interview that made one member say in a post "the last I heard, you thought we Americans were responsible for killing a million Iraqi babies". Highly emotive, but even more highly inaccurate.

Anyway, you think this is bad, wait till Part 5 hits. It's the parts of the 2003 invasion of Iraq that were edited out of those wonderful news programs that so many in the West take for gospel.

kis123 said:
It was a huge mess over there. If we are as hated in the Middle East as it has been said, I don't wonder why. Their country has been ruined by war and the media only reports what they're told.

Indeed. The Iraqi people are wrong to hate the American people though, just as Americans and British are wrong to hate the Iraqi people. We're all victims of the same criminals. All of us manipulated into hating and fearing the other for no good reason.

kis123 said:
As far as the world being run by a small group or groups of people, I heard about that approx. 15yrs ago. This is not news to me at all. I know that if someone creates a boogey-man for people to fear, the people want someone to make it go away. Unfortunately, it has been at the cost of our civil liberties slowly getting chipped away at in Congress every day. I certainly didn't agree to the Patriot Act, but I bet my Congressman voted it in. It invades our privacy to levels we couldn't imagine. You can't even make a transaction on your own home (purchase, sale, or refinance) without a copy of Patriot Act literature for the homeowners to sign. If not, you're not getting any money for your home. These people have the right to tap your phone, access bank accounts, intercept your email and invade your privacy just in the interest of national security. What stops them from trampling on your rights because you belong to a fetish board that has a general discussion panel that says things they don't like discussed? What stops them from landing on any of our doorsteps?

Only one thing stops them. Courage. If enough people shake themselves awake, some wonderous "hundredth monkey syndrome" will shake the rest too. Billions of people can't be manipulated physically, because there just aren't enough of the manipulators to go round. The only way we can be repeatedly fucked over it to buy their "party line" about what goes on in the world. Ever wondered how a massive flock of 15 or 20 sheep is rounded up by one dog? Fear. The flock are scred into going where the dog wants by a bit of barking and the odd nip or two. If the flock just bomb-burst in all directions (symbolic of humanity expressing itself freely, instead of letting itself be feared into the pen) the dog would be fucked! No bombs needed, no meetings in secluded rooms, no new political parties, no forced takeover. Taking over by force would be totally counter-productive, because it would the same as the Fellowship trying to use the One Ring against Sauron. They'd cast him off his thrown and new Dark Lord would take his place. The end does NOT justify the means, under any circumsances. Subversion and violence is reprehensible and would not work.


kis123 said:
There are many people on this board who don't like the term "conspiracy theory". I don't like it either, but there's definitely something rotten in the US. Each day something else appears out of sync with what was done previously in government decision making. I think they're just forgetting where the last pile of the mess they made was swept. I think as time goes on, that more will be exposed to the point that my cat wouldn't be able to deny that there is more hidden that meets the eye.

It's not the US kis, not by a long shot. There's something rotten in the world. It afflicts the US, the UK, Asia, Africa, everywhere. None of us needs to feel sad that it's happening in OUR country, because it's happening in every country.


kis123 said:
Once again, this is kis waiting for the other shoe to drop........

What the heck does that mean? lol
 
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Knox The Hatter said:
Good point, kis.
What it's gonna take to convince some people I've talked to that the enemy is not the aging, gray haired old Woodstock veteran who sends his money to support Greenpeace, I don't know. We have plenty of enemies who are NOT Saddam, or Osama Bin Laden, or some waiter in a Paris bistro. What's it going to take to open people's eyes?

Nothing can open people's eyes. Not a single thing. The only way ahead is for people to open them of their own free will. There are plenty who dispute this version of events, or indeed any version that doesn't sound "normal". (Normal as defined by what the nice people on the TV and in history class tell you.) Things will stay as they are until people change their perspective, because they can't be forced to do it against their will. That doesn't mean however that we all have to be the same and think the same way. That's right out of Mao's little Red Book! Besides which, I can't imagine a world more boring and lucklustre. It just means that every single person in the world expresses their individuality in any way they feel happy to, providing that it doesn't encroach on anyone else; and that they alow every other person to express their individuality in exactly the same way, without predjudice, insult, sneer or backbiting. You want to worship Jesus? You go ahead. You want to worship Allah? The mosque is that way mate, good luck to you. You want to get your jollies by inflicting physical torture on a girl? Fine, go right ahead, providing that she gets hers from having you do it, and providing that she's physically mature enough to know what she's doing.

Just live and love, and be bollocksed to the fear and hate!
 
Well, Jim, I anxiously await part 5. And yes, I have seen death, in more ways than one. Have you seen where napalm was landed in a village where we knew there was women and children? I have, and it isn't pretty. Just put it like this: in war period, everything that can be sacrificed, will. No one, is immune, or safe from potential death. Those people in the planes that died needlessly on 9/11 unfortunately had to die for the greater good on the war on terrorism. Yes, 3-6 thousand is alot of people, but what would you rather have, 3-6 thousand or millions? You decide
 
natural tickler said:
Well, Jim, I anxiously await part 5. And yes, I have seen death, in more ways than one. Have you seen where napalm was landed in a village where we knew there was women and children? I have, and it isn't pretty. Just put it like this: in war period, everything that can be sacrificed, will. No one, is immune, or safe from potential death. Those people in the planes that died needlessly on 9/11 unfortunately had to die for the greater good on the war on terrorism. Yes, 3-6 thousand is alot of people, but what would you rather have, 3-6 thousand or millions? You decide

The people in the planes had to die for the greater good? That sounds like you're saying that organising their death as a public propaganda exercise was justified for the ends. I'm sure I must have mis-read that.

If I believed what our politicians and TV news channells tell us about things like 9/11 and Project T.W.A.T. I'd probably agree with you. Unfortunately I don't believe a word they say, because they're more full of shit than a field that's home to a herd of cows with dysentry. I also disagree with you when you say "they unfortunately had to die for the greater good on the war on terrorism". For all anyone knows, those 3 thousand people (about 2,500 of which weren't actually in the planes of course, but on the ground and in the towers) might have taken the same line as me about the war: that it's an orchestrated sickness perpetrated by the most vile criminals on the planet. So why does someone who they potentially disagree with about justification, have the right to make the decision that they should die?

I think what's most confusing me is that you're completely ignoring the points I made about 9/11 being a set-up and answering me as if I agreed with the party-line.
 
Oh no, I'm not ignoring your points at all. I'm just looking at it from a numbers standpoint. These terrorists wants America to go to hell, and they are determined to send us there. I'm just saying that in terms of numbers, sometimes its better to lose a little (a few thousand we lose on 9/11, or millions among millions of people.) Don't forget, they are after Britian too, and its only a matter of time before some target get hit over there too. Jim, answer this for me: If you were leading the country, hoe many people you could sacrifice in order to end terrorism? Or are you that naive to think you wont lose any? The major cities in America, including my hometown of Chicago are targets. Can't iamgine the targets in the UK
 
natural tickler said:
Oh no, I'm not ignoring your points at all. I'm just looking at it from a numbers standpoint. These terrorists wants America to go to hell, and they are determined to send us there. I'm just saying that in terms of numbers, sometimes its better to lose a little (a few thousand we lose on 9/11, or millions among millions of people.) Don't forget, they are after Britian too, and its only a matter of time before some target get hit over there too. Jim, answer this for me: If you were leading the country, hoe many people you could sacrifice in order to end terrorism? Or are you that naive to think you wont lose any? The major cities in America, including my hometown of Chicago are targets. Can't iamgine the targets in the UK


If you're not ignoring my point, it's completely missing you. I am disputing the very nature of the War on Terrorism. I am saying that it's manufactured by our leaders and inflicted on us to gain (among other things) public backing for the war in the Middle East. The very groups that Claptrap No News are now telling us threaten our lives, are ones that exist because of our leaders. They trained them, equipped them, funded them and put picked men in charge of them. (Much the way that Saddam was placed in charge over Iraq after the military coup, and Osama and his chiefs are put in charge of al-Qaeda and similar groups.)

The whole point I am making is that no matter what sacrifices we make, no matter what price we pay, we are being conned about the causes of terrorist attacks and atrocities. Being noble and saying that sacrificing 3,000 people was worth it to save the lives of 3,000,000 is rather pointless, when the initial incident was engineered by the people who say they will trample our freedoms in the dust to protect us from the sort of incident they manufactured in the first place. It isn't a question of being noble like you're talking about. It's about waking the hell up and realising that there'd be no terror to have a war against if all the people didn't allow themselves to be so easilly manipulated by puppet masters. So if I was leading the country, I wouldn't have caused 9/11, the problems in Northern Ireland, the mainland IRA bombings of shopping centres and the current attacks in the first place. There would be no terror to have a war against, because unlike Blair, Bush and their predecessors, I wouldn't have invented it out of thin air to start with.

I reject the viewpoint that the terrorists want America and Britain to go to hell, because the real terrorists are our leaders. Without their clandestine machinations, groups like al-Qaeda and the IRA, and situations like the distrust between muslim and christian would'nt exist to begin with.
 
No.......

BigJim said:
If you're not ignoring my point, it's completely missing you. I am disputing the very nature of the War on Terrorism. I am saying that it's manufactured by our leaders and inflicted on us to gain (among other things) public backing for the war in the Middle East.

I realize you didn't invoke me (a wise decision, in my opinion) but I felt that this comment needed to be disputed outright. The mechanisms for stirring the US populace that are already in place are sufficient without crashing planes into multi billion dollar buildings and sacrificing thousands of lives. Given Saddams uncanny ability to stuff his foot into his mouth on nearly all subjects, your basic premise shows itself as flawed. Post war evidence that he didn't possess WMD makes him look even more foolish. Kicking the sleeping bear without having a gun is idiotic and a sure sign of being a pyschopath...

If for some reason the government wanted to declare war on say, Canada or Britain, THEN perhaps an act of this magnitude would be needed to galvanize the public....but for Iraq? You're stretching BJim, and the rubber band has snapped.

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