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Why Can't M/F Clips Have Hot Male Lers!!!!!!!!!

Don't be so down on yourself, broham. I'm sure you're a sexy stallion with a dong on par with the god Zeus. When you hump, lightning bolts shoot down from the sky in celebration.

But yeah, it's true, looks aren't a majorly important factor. I like to look at models, but honestly, it's the girls on camera that are more within my reach that I really enjoy. I like knowing that I'd have a chance of being with a girl on par with the one I'm watching. Also it's more clear that they were hired because of how ticklish they are, rather than how beautiful they look regardless of ticklishness.

Well now thanks for the vote of confidence but seriously im not any of those things. Im just a overweight guy who loves tickling and doesn't matter what the other person looks like when it comes to tickling. Whether its a clip or real life, the passion for tickling is what excites me
 
It is harder to say what kind of man will appeal to a woman. Not that being tall, dark, and handsome won't open more doors for a guy than looking like me will, but even guys who look like me have had luck with attractive girls. While it's easy to predict girls who are prettier and have nice builds will get the most second looks from guy, women just seem to respond to a great variety of men.

That goes for having a relationship, not for porn! I mean, look at the male fashion models - they all look pretty much alike for a reason. Some looks are just appealing to everybody, and that's a scientific fact.
 
Okay so what about the reverse of this. Why is it most of the big well known producers only use super hot chicks as lees? Okay I know it is mostly guys buying, but why can't they once in a while use an average woman? I'd love to see more women with my body type being models in tickle clips. It makes me feel ugly when I keep seeing perfect tens as models. I hope I make sense.
Some of my favourite clips feature "average" women. Close to all of them do. It's always going to be hotter to see a girl next door type tickled versus a model. I don't doubt that a lot of guys on the forum would say that as well.

Trying to define beauty is stupid, flat out. Can't be done. Everyone's got their own thing, and that's marvelous. There's no need to take your generalizations and project them as fact. That's no different from a guy posting a thread with a picture of Scarlett Johansson and saying "Why can't every girl look like this?" That guy would then be torn apart, and rightfully so.

I'm a bit perplexed by the people in this thread who are sort of saying "Well, Doll is right, but she should've worded it differently." Seriously, what exactly is the tactful way to say "Why are the male lers almost always ugly creeps"?
 
good technique is good ler
attractive or not is not importent as i am not gay
 
Trying to define beauty is stupid, flat out.

Not true. There are studies about it. The majority of people reacts to the same type as appealing. Beauty has to do with symmetry. The more symmetric a face is, the more beautiful it is perceived. Even little babies react to the same features that are considered as beautiful by adults.

Of course there are preferences, but those have nothing to do with beauty! I also doubt you will find a single guy who will call women like Scarlett Johansson not beautiful! They may not be the type, but there yet has to be someone to find them ugly!
 
Perhaps we ought to change the thread title to "Why Can't M/F Clips Have More Symmetrical Male Lers!!!!!!!!!", then.

Beauty is not scientifically quantifiable. Show me one study that states so, and I'll show you a sterling example of pseudoscience.
 
Just one example:

http://www.suite101.com/content/the-golden-ratio-a45550

I've seen experiments where the scientists actually foresaw who from a couple of men or women the test person would chose.

There are many studies. As I said, even babies prefer looking at faces that the big majority of people describes as attractive.

One more:

http://www.jyi.org/volumes/volume6/issue6/features/feng.html

Just google science and beauty, and you'll see that it's not bullshit. As much as we like to say "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", that has not much to do with actual appearance. There is more to attraction than just physical beauty, but physical beauty alone and in itself can be scientifically defined.
 
I feel like a fucking white knight on this forum, but I wouldn't have expected such a sex positive community to have so many sexist undertones.

Some of my favourite clips feature "average" women. Close to all of them do. It's always going to be hotter to see a girl next door type tickled versus a model. I don't doubt that a lot of guys on the forum would say that as well.

How are you so sure the men the clips described are even average. What if they're below average? Not to mention, I don't see too many guys complaining about how Tickle Abuse uses way too many hot models in their videos. Even if you prefer average women, you can't deny that a lot of men buying porn are looking for the hottest girls they can find.

Trying to define beauty is stupid, flat out. Can't be done.

Then how do you know the girls you prefer are average? How do you know whether others are hot? For this to happen you have to recognize that the girls you really enjoy watching are typically considered less attractive than the ones in some other clips. If beauty couldn't be defined, you wouldn't know this and would just think that the average girls are the most beautiful. You state in one sentence that you know the difference between average and hot, then you try to tell us that beauty is some sort of mystical ideal beyond human comprehension. Of course we can't exactly quantify beauty as it is subjective for each individual, but there are general trends in every culture of what's typically considered beautiful between the genders. It would be easy for produces to take this qualitative information and apply it towards finding better looking men for clips.

Everyone's got their own thing, and that's marvelous. There's no need to take your generalizations and project them as fact.

These women aren't generalizing or projecting as far as i can tell, they're just asking for some hotter guys in their tickle vids. The men who are trying to make them feel bad about wanting more attractive men are the ones who seem to be projecting their insecurities 😉


That's no different from a guy posting a thread with a picture of Scarlett Johansson and saying "Why can't every girl look like this?" That guy would then be torn apart, and rightfully so.

I don't see the analogy at all. Could you explain? To me, a better analogy would be that it's as though there were no attractive women between the ages of 18-28 appearing in clips. The men post to the forum asking for some younger/better looking models and the women respond by saying "YOU SHOULD JUST ENJOY THE TICKLING! WHY DON'T YOU APPRECIATE THE BEAUTY OF THE AVERAGE WOMAN?"

But the women here are happy to let us have our hot, young lees, because they don't think they should be telling us how to enjoy our porn and you should extend the same courtesy back to them.
 
Then how do you know the girls you prefer are average? How do you know whether others are hot? For this to happen you have to recognize that the girls you really enjoy watching are typically considered less attractive than the ones in some other clips. If beauty couldn't be defined, you wouldn't know this and would just think that the average girls are the most beautiful. You state in one sentence that you know the difference between average and hot, then you try to tell us that beauty is some sort of mystical ideal beyond human comprehension. Of course we can't exactly quantify beauty as it is subjective for each individual, but there are general trends in every culture of what's typically considered beautiful between the genders. It would be easy for produces to take this qualitative information and apply it towards finding better looking men for clips.

That was a very good point!
 
Also Shade, lets check in on your preference for average girls.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?p=2713804#post2713804
http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?p=2629276#post2629276

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?p=2570850#post2570850
Cute emo-ish girl with dark hair, glasses, and a hot ticklish body, and me with no money for clips.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?p=2438898#post2438898
Love this clip. Well worth the price. She is incredibly hot and ticklish.

Those are the last four clips you've posted on. All of those girls are hot. You could argue that they're the girl-next-door types in that they don't have fake boobs or anything, but they are definitely a step above average.

Edit: If any other men want me to perform a background check against their claim that they just prefer average girls, I'd be more than happy to help 🙂
 
Hm, well, except for Malice I'd settle for average here I'd have to admit! And I am a girl! 🙂
 
New contest; ugliest man on TMF gets tickled by 3 hottest models from a company of the winners choosing. We'll call it the "It Pays to be Repugnant" challenge.
 
How are you so sure the men the clips described are even average. What if they're below average? Not to mention, I don't see too many guys complaining about how Tickle Abuse uses way too many hot models in their videos. Even if you prefer average women, you can't deny that a lot of men buying porn are looking for the hottest girls they can find.
I wouldn't deny that at all. But, what's "hottest" is going to vary person to person.

Then how do you know the girls you prefer are average? How do you know whether others are hot? For this to happen you have to recognize that the girls you really enjoy watching are typically considered less attractive than the ones in some other clips. If beauty couldn't be defined, you wouldn't know this and would just think that the average girls are the most beautiful. You state in one sentence that you know the difference between average and hot, then you try to tell us that beauty is some sort of mystical ideal beyond human comprehension. Of course we can't exactly quantify beauty as it is subjective for each individual, but there are general trends in every culture of what's typically considered beautiful between the genders. It would be easy for produces to take this qualitative information and apply it towards finding better looking men for clips.
What I meant is that trying to find a definition of beauty that everyone can agree on is not going to happen. That said, I know there are certain societal standards that are seen as norms of beauty, for both men and women. I don't agree with them, nor do many others. I know that many women I find incredibly attractive would not be considered so by mainstream standards. Contrarily, I can think of a lot of women who are generally considered beautiful that I think are very unattractive.
These women aren't generalizing or projecting as far as i can tell, they're just asking for some hotter guys in their tickle vids. The men who are trying to make them feel bad about wanting more attractive men are the ones who seem to be projecting their insecurities 😉

I don't see the analogy at all. Could you explain? To me, a better analogy would be that it's as though there were no attractive women between the ages of 18-28 appearing in clips. The men post to the forum asking for some younger/better looking models and the women respond by saying "YOU SHOULD JUST ENJOY THE TICKLING! WHY DON'T YOU APPRECIATE THE BEAUTY OF THE AVERAGE WOMAN?"

But the women here are happy to let us have our hot, young lees, because they don't think they should be telling us how to enjoy our porn and you should extend the same courtesy back to them.
I'm not trying to make anyone feel bad. This is an extremely supportive forum, which is why I'm flummoxed to see this topic. I believe Doll when she says she wasn't trying to be rude, but I'm still at a loss as to how this topic could be broached tactfully. Would anyone seriously deny the fact that if this topic were made by a male about female lers or female lees, that there wouldn't be some very different, substantially less courteous responses? That's my big issue here.

Also, bringing out my comments on 4 clips shows nothing at all. I've got gigs of clips from over the years, featuring women (and men) of every shape, size, ethnicity, whatever. If you'll notice, 2 of the 4 comments make reference to the tickling or scenarios, rather than the girls. Which is the primary reason I buy clips. Ticklishness and places tickled come first. Upperbody tickling is my thing, and if any of those clips were solely foot tickling, they would neither be commented upon, nor bought, because that's not my thing, regardless of how attractive I think the women are.
 
What I meant is that trying to find a definition of beauty that everyone can agree on is not going to happen.

And that is exactly where you are wrong! 🙂 There IS a definition of beauty that everyone can agree on. Do you know anybody who would say that the mainstream hollywood actresses like Natalie Portman, Sharon Stone, Charlize Theron and so on and so forth are ugly? Nobody would say that. Everybody thinks they are beautiful. There are certain attributes that are considered beautiful by everybody.

Personal preferences though have nothing to do with that. Usually personal preferences are linked to something else than simple beauty, a pleasurable experience in childhood, maybe even the mother of the person. Attraction and beauty are not necessarily linked to each other!

Beauty itself is also not necessarily attractive. Best example: Britney Spears or Paris Hilton. Both are beautiful women, no doubt, but after all the shit they do at least to me not the least little bit attractive.
 
And that is exactly where you are wrong! 🙂 There IS a definition of beauty that everyone can agree on. Do you know anybody who would say that the mainstream hollywood actresses like Natalie Portman, Sharon Stone, Charlize Theron and so on and so forth are ugly? Nobody would say that. Everybody thinks they are beautiful. There are certain attributes that are considered beautiful by everybody.
Yes. Yes I do. I personally think Paris Hilton is the most unattractive woman in the world, for one. I know many others who feel the same way. I think Scarlett Johansson is extremely attractive, but I've heard many say that she has a busted face. Go to any celebrity gossip or picture site, click on a picture of a starlet, and you'll find some negative comments. For every one.
 
I'm with Shade

I've seen it too many times - someone who dislikes a member of the opposite sex everyone else finds hot.

I, for one, don't get the appeal of Mariah Carey, and I mean the Mariah Carey of the early 1990s, before she got fat and went nuts.
 
Go to any celebrity gossip or picture site, click on a picture of a starlet, and you'll find some negative comments. For every one.

I've seen it too many times - someone who dislikes a member of the opposite sex everyone else finds hot

But that's the thing - "everyone else" thinks they are hot. Sure, in a million people you will always find someone who thinks differently, but we are talking about a vast majority here. The norm, if you want to call it that way.
 
Yes. Yes I do. I personally think Paris Hilton is the most unattractive woman in the world, for one. I know many others who feel the same way. I think Scarlett Johansson is extremely attractive, but I've heard many say that she has a busted face. Go to any celebrity gossip or picture site, click on a picture of a starlet, and you'll find some negative comments. For every one.

But many people also like these women (I hate Paris and love Scarlett btw) and find them hot. It's not like the women are asking every man in every clip to appeal to every woman. Just for the produces to try and consider their sexual attraction to men when they cast for clips. They don't want one hot guy to appeal to everyone, they want some producers to start considering male attractiveness so the buyers have a choice and everybody can find something they like.

I wouldn't deny that at all. But, what's "hottest" is going to vary person to person.

Again, we're not looking for the "hottest," just for hotness to increase in general.

What I meant is that trying to find a definition of beauty that everyone can agree on is not going to happen.

Again, with multiple male models this point becomes moot.

Would anyone seriously deny the fact that if this topic were made by a male about female lers or female lees, that there wouldn't be some very different, substantially less courteous responses?

Honestly, I think the different response would be justified. I can find any kind of girl in the clips section. Goth, nerdy, busty, petite, bbw, asian, ebony, bbw, blonde, etc. To complain would be kind of pitiful.

but I'm still at a loss as to how this topic could be broached tactfully.

Maybe it can't. Maybe it's a painful conversation that just needs to be had.
 
Not enough "hot" male lers in M/F clips? Yes, I'd concede that's a reasonable observation; but if there's enough of a market for clips with hot male lers then the producers (who will, in many cases, tend to go where the money is) will respond.

If the ladies here on the forum demand better looking male lers in videos then there will probably be better looking male lers. Of course you will be expected to shell out a few bucks and support the companies that produce them, other wise they will go back to what they were doing before.

Absolutely. I also think that if we had more female producers then we would see a lot more hot male lers. I'm sure that many of the ladies of the TMF - intelligent and lovely as they are - can boast handsome boyfriends and husbands whom delight in tickling them into a frenzy... so why not consider filming your fun and earning enough cash back for your next romantic dinner for two? Everyone's a winner! 🙂
 
Yes I do. I personally think Paris Hilton is the most unattractive woman in the world, for one. I know many others who feel the same way.

I can't help but feel that your assessment of Paris Hilton as "the most unattractive woman in the world" is at least partly based on the undeniably toxic nature of her personality, rather than an objective aesthetic analysis of her figure, complexion and facial symmetry. If Paris Hilton were to appear as either a lee or a ler - and nobody had any idea whatsoever of who she was - I simply cannot imagine anyone thinking "Yikes, she's the most unattractive woman in the world! Why would anyone put her in a video clip!!!"
 
so why not consider filming your fun and earning enough cash back for your next romantic dinner for two? Everyone's a winner!

Because most people like to keep their sexual encounters private. 😉

I can't help but feel that your assessment of Paris Hilton as "the most unattractive woman in the world" is at least partly based on the undeniably toxic nature of her personality, rather than an objective aesthetic analysis of her figure, complexion and facial symmetry.

That's exactly my point! Beauty and attraction are not necessarily the same thing!
 
Because most people like to keep their sexual encounters private. 😉

Oh, indeed. But my primary point was to suggest that we need more female producers if there is a demand for hotter guys in the videos... and besides, some of the most arousing tickling clips I've ever seen have been fully-clothed stuff 🙂

That's exactly my point! Beauty and attraction are not necessarily the same thing!

Quite so 🙂
 
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