Why Can't M/F Clips Have Hot Male Lers!!!!!!!!!

[rhiannon]

Let me turn this question around a little bit. Imagine that the majority of the lees in the clips had the same level of attractiveness as the lers. Meaning, they are just normal looking girls, don't have great bodies, and so on and so forth.

What do you think how many guys would actually buy the clips?

 

[Comfort Eagle]

On a related note, I want to see a clip where a couple of really really hot girls tickle an average or slightly ugly looking one.

Get on that plz.

 

[BellaRisa]

Let me turn this question around a little bit. Imagine that the majority of the lees in the clips had the same level of attractiveness as the lers. Meaning, they are just normal looking girls, don't have great bodies, and so on and so forth.

What do you think how many guys would actually buy the clips?

Actually, those 'normal' young ladies sold a LOT of videos once upon a time, and they still do if the action is real and the dynamic between the players is properly engaging. There's a reason that "amateur" porn does very well; the definition of a 'great body' isn't always the mainstream model-type, and more folks than you'd think are happy to watch players that seem 'real', as though you might see them at the laundromat or the grocery store; it fuels a different kind of fantasy

 

[Deadsea7777]

Let me turn this question around a little bit. Imagine that the majority of the lees in the clips had the same level of attractiveness as the lers. Meaning, they are just normal looking girls, don't have great bodies, and so on and so forth.

What do you think how many guys would actually buy the clips?

Exactly the same number. If there is nothing else the males will take whatever you got. Is like a pig, if you feed them caviar, they would eat caviar, if you feed them grain, they would eat grain, if you feed them left-overs from the restaurants, they would eat left-overs from the restaurants.
However, in a free market if somebody offers more, still with a reasonable price tag, the clients would choose that somebody. Then the next competitor has to be at least as good to compete, and so on, so on ...until to be a gorgeous model is a prerequisite to be able to sell the clip/video.

However, as Bella pointed out, many average looking girls do good business. If you are going to buy a clip between Bella's store and FM, no doubt the girls are more beautiful with FM, however each one from Bellas clips is a tickling classic.

Women are half the force in a market, if they want to put their muscle into force clips producers to use male supermodels, they can do in an instant by the sheer force of their buying power. The client has the power and is always right.

 

[Babbles]

Again: it's not what was expressed, which was a valid request, but how it was expressed. The generality of the comments didn't really lessen the bite of the words, I realized that when I read the post again. Hell, if some cranky type made a post about how all female producers were ugly anf stupid, it's not like I wouldn't be annoyed simply because they didn't name names 😉 Furthermore, let's say there IS a double standard here: so? Two wrongs never make a right, and as women we're never ever going to put a stop to behavior we dislike if we behave the same way. That only feeds the flames and accomplishes nothing. I'm not the cumbayah type but there comes a time when the high road really is the best road and leading by example is the best policy.

I agree/d with the above & have no problem with any male producer/lers (actually I'm grateful to see most M/f and occasionally F/m material...)
as long as they're not abusive, that's what's most repulsive to me... (aside from screeching, a close second...)

And while she didn't mean harm, and didn't point anyone out, certainly there's a better way to phrase it, yes,

just as the guys who post here need to be at least as aware of that as well,
since so many do openly bash individuals/women for their appearance ----
Many don't, but of those that post (too many do...) And they are often called out for it.

But that's why I gave that answer, just to point out that another gent's claim that a double standard exists here against men in film
is not accurate --

(if anything, as others pointed out, the double standard is against women, just as in vanilla society, we're supposed to be Victoria's Secret models but the guys can be -- whatever they want... especially in film....)

Women here are far fewer, or at least it seems that way, certainly far less vocal in the video section ---
though you're right, and I should've included that statement,
we all need to be a little more careful...
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[rhiannon]

Exactly the same number. If there is nothing else the males will take whatever you got. Is like a pig, if you feed them caviar, they would eat caviar, if you feed them grain, they would eat grain, if you feed them left-overs from the restaurants, they would eat left-overs from the restaurants.

OMG, this one should go on a T-Shirt!!

 

[AmericaRocks]

I would so buy that shirt.

 

[Deadsea7777]

OMG, this one should go on a T-Shirt!!

Why are you so surprised dear Rhiannon?,....I thought you knew us males.....and our endless appetites for you females and everything you got. Only the healthy appetite of the pig for food can match our gluttony for all what you got human females.
Be generous....feed us with some of your caviar

 

[SlaverTickler]

Actually not here, the OP didn't mention individuals, as someone pointed out, so she's not bashing anyone in particular ---

and she still got a lot of flak for being so very honest with her opinion....

So though I see your point, there doesn't seem to be a huge double standard here, in this instance.... Or if there is, it's not beneficial to women...

I *have seen people, yes, mostly guys (though I don't keep up with the vid section all that much, random visits) slammed for being really rude and making fun of a particular model ----- But guys also provide the vast majority of the comments.

Here we see a young woman commenting GENERALLY that the guys (don't seem to have to adhere to the same aesthetic standards that their female models do....)
and she's gotten hit with a number of critical comments EVEN THOUGH she didn't make any references to individuals, again...

So actually Rhiannon is correct --- if there is a double standard, it's not in women's favor here at all...

*

You are right PD (who I adore for the record) didn't go after any one, she slammed everyone. She basically said she find most of (if not all of) the male tops in tickling videos unattractive. If I cam on here and said I thought most of if not all of any females period, regardless of what why who or how I would get my ass torn up for it. Hell I can't even express an opinion on Megan Fox's with out her sad legion of fan boys coming after me (to this day). I once posted a picture of my pecker on the forum, and because I am not that big I was personally attacked by several people. What do you think would have happened if a male forum goer (wanted to use member but... you know) had commented on a female goer's ass being to big or even her nose being to big? Please, give me a fucking break. The double standard of women can flap there gums and men have to take it is alive and well on the forum. The only problem is I don't take it, and I have proven on NUMEROUSE occasion that I don't give a fuck who's trying to dish it out.

So take your whoa-is-me Femi-Nazi bull shit and shove it up your ass.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Let me turn this question around a little bit. Imagine that the majority of the lees in the clips had the same level of attractiveness as the lers. Meaning, they are just normal looking girls, don't have great bodies, and so on and so forth.

What do you think how many guys would actually buy the clips?

You are coming from the false impression that "Normal Looking" women aren't attractive. What is your idea of a normal looking woman, considering women (like men) come in all sorts. I have seen pictures of you here on the forum, you have a great body, do you consider yourself a normal looking women. Do you have 6 toes on one of your feet, or maybe a third eye? What I think we are seeing here is the objectification of the men, and I have busted all of you on it, and you simply can't handle the consequences.

If your standard of sexy (or at least PD's anyway) aren't being met, there is a simple salution, don't buy the DVD or order the clips. Keep your money in your pocket. However if you are going to come on the forum and slam the looks of the males in tickling videos, then be prepared to get shit on for it, because you are basically (even if unintentionally, and indirectly) insulting members of the forum at the same time.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

I once posted a picture of my pecker on the forum, and because I am not that big I was personally attacked by several people..

I once posted a picture of my pecker on the forum

I once posted a picture of my pecker

...


why.

 

[SlaverTickler]

As a producer I have to say that the biggest reward of doing this gig is having the pleasure of tickling and playing with the girls. I don't consider myself creepy or ugly, in fact some females of this forum and other social network find me cute in a peculiar way.

Also a big shunk of my buyers are actually women that get arouse by the sensual approach I work with the models and the fact that most of the models that have being filmed by my have walked out happy, pleased and they usually return many times... not just for the money, but because they have fun shooting with me.

I have a strict rule that I am the only man on my videos and that is because I actually tried in the past to use the guys that came with the models and they had no clue about how to keep a girl on for a full hour. Must of them just burned out after five minutes.

The fact is that I am the only one that knows what makes my video works, and thats because I have the fantasy in my head and sometimes is impossible to explain those feelings to another person.

I have done girl-girl, but those shoots are always a pain in the ass to coordinate because it is virtually impossible to make two girls to be in the same place at the same time.

And I have a strict rule that before making a girl girl I will have a one on one tickling session with any new girl and depending on sales and buyers reactions to each one individually and my experience with them, the I consider coordinating a girl-girl, which costs twice as much, so I have to be sure I won't be wasting my money.

I don't wear a mask because I believe that would be an insult for the female in the way that if I ask her to show her face I should take the same risk as showing my face.

You make me proud to be a man of gurth brother skelyrata!

 

[NonConTickler]

If I had the money to pay models to let me tickle them for videos, you think I'd pay some guy to do the tickling for me? This is MY fetish and I'd have to be the one putting my hands all over those hot barely legal young things or it ain't happening. The fact that I'm really fat and lazy and unattractive would make it all the sweeter that I'd be able to put my hands all over these hot looking women (again, if I had the money to hire models to make videos).

 

[Babbles]

Some men are from Mars....

You are right PD (who I adore for the record) didn't go after any one, she slammed everyone. She basically said she find most of (if not all of) the male tops in tickling videos unattractive. If I cam on here and said I thought most of if not all of any females period, regardless of what why who or how I would get my ass torn up for it. Hell I can't even express an opinion on Megan Fox's with out her sad legion of fan boys coming after me (to this day). I once posted a picture of my pecker on the forum, and because I am not that big I was personally attacked by several people. What do you think would have happened if a male forum goer (wanted to use member but... you know) had commented on a female goer's ass being to big or even her nose being to big? Please, give me a fucking break. The double standard of women can flap there gums and men have to take it is alive and well on the forum. The only problem is I don't take it, and I have proven on NUMEROUSE occasion that I don't give a fuck who's trying to dish it out.

So take your whoa-is-me Femi-Nazi bull shit and shove it up your ass.

Ohhhh-kayyyyy.... I know what this is about --- I made the mistake of joking about Shatner with you a ways ago, you were abominably rude about it, and are apparently totally unforgiving as well as borderline irrational.

I also gave you WAY too much credit referring to you as a "gent" in spite of that, see Post #80 above ----- which you obviously DID NOT READ.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showpost.php?p=2862895&postcount=80

You also totally ignored my first post.

Nowhere is there a TRACE of anything resembling "woe is me"
Nowhere is there "Femi-Nazi BS" (and you can't have both, btw...)

and nowhere do I rip you or anyone else a new one in this discussion (though you certainly don't hesitate... )

I think you need to give yourself a much closer examination, free your own head from your own light-proof nether passages
and when you can hold a normal conversation you can THINK about getting back to me.

 

[Babbles]

....I don't wear a mask because I believe that would be an insult for the female in the way that if I ask her to show her face I should take the same risk as showing my face.

Aside from everything else you wrote, which is excellent, this really clicked with me, not just because (personally I'd wear a mask, regardless of beauty or lack of, and I did comment that I don't mind anonymity on the part of the Ler either since that frees the imagination....)

but because it's unusually considerate. Both have the choice, I'd assume, but this is good of you.

NonConTickler

I'm not saying I agree, since I don't think you're visually unattractive
(though what you choose to write, aside from your screenname, of course raises other questions...)

but regardless --- IF you're a slob who pigs out on the wrong food, doesn't exercise and doesn't bother with his appearance,
that's a choice which can be totally turned around,

and as a friend told me, you'll see a huge difference in just a few months if you make a moderate effort to eat well, drink more water & focus on cleaning up/getting your "stuff" together --

All that "healthier mind, healthier body" or vice - versa does lead to a much better outlook (mentally & physically...),
and you'll find you will attract people who are also mentally & physically (in better shape 😛 ) if you do that... You're younger too, so it'll be easier if you start now...

 

[rhiannon]

You are coming from the false impression that "Normal Looking" women aren't attractive.

Not totally true. "Normale Looking" women are attractive, but not considered (!) mainstream-advertisement-movie-making-attractive.

do you consider yourself a normal looking women

Yes, I do. And in clips I hardly see see women of my type, except for a selected few, for example Bella's clips. Needless to say that she is a woman making clips, so that's probably the reason for the girl's next door being into it, not to mention there are a lot of women from the forum in her clips which gives the whole thing a totally different dimension.

If your standard of sexy (or at least PD's anyway) aren't being met

You already got it, I really couldn't care less what males or females in the clips look like, I get them for the tickling and nothing else.

slam the looks of the males in tickling videos

I still don't really think anybody got "slammed" for their looks. Okay, she could have phrased it a little better, but in the end what she was saying remains true - most of the clips feature above average looking women and average looking guys.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Not totally true. "Normal Looking" women are attractive, but not considered (!) mainstream-advertisement-movie-making-attractive.

Yes, I do. And in clips I hardly see see women of my type, except for a selected few, for example Bella's clips. Needless to say that she is a woman making clips, so that's probably the reason for the girl's next door being into it, not to mention there are a lot of women from the forum in her clips which gives the whole thing a totally different dimension.

You already got it, I really couldn't care less what males or females in the clips look like, I get them for the tickling and nothing else.

I still don't really think anybody got "slammed" for their looks. Okay, she could have phrased it a little better, but in the end what she was saying remains true - most of the clips feature above average looking women and average looking guys.

Average may not sell videos, but you are not an average looking woman, believe me. I agree men are/have been the target audience in the past, and probably still are. I would like to see a more well rounded casting too, believe it or not, but slamming the appearance of the male lers, some of whom are members of the forum, is not the best way to get that done. My biggest point is, had a guy made the same comment he would feel the heat. So it is only right that if a woman does it, she should take the heat as well.

By the way, most of what you see on TV, Movies, and of Models is the skill of the make-up artist. Most entertainers aren't much better looking then the average person. It takes a skilled eye to see something that can be sculpted from the persons natural looks with the right amount of blush, eye shadow, and lips stick. That's why I don't feel it when it comes to Megan Fox, she tries to hard to be sexy, and gives off a really ugly, condescending, sleazy, vibe.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Ohhhh-kayyyyy.... I know what this is about --- I made the mistake of joking about Shatner with you a ways ago, you were abominably rude about it, and are apparently totally unforgiving as well as borderline irrational.

I also gave you WAY too much credit referring to you as a "gent" in spite of that, see Post #80 above ----- which you obviously DID NOT READ.

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showpost.php?p=2862895&postcount=80

You also totally ignored my first post.

Nowhere is there a TRACE of anything resembling "woe is me"
Nowhere is there "Feminazi BS" (and you can't have both, btw...)

and nowhere do I rip you or anyone else a new one in this discussion (though you certainly don't hesitate... )

I think you need to give yourself a much closer examination, free your own head from your own light-proof nether passages
and when you can hold a normal conversation you can THINK about getting back to me.

Everything you said in the above quote is absolutely asinine. While I do think your comments on William Shatner's contribution to the Trek franchise are extremely ignorant, I don't bring what happens on that thread into another, especially when it has absolutely nothing to do with it. How often have we been on the same side when it comes to different things. Obviously you forgot about that All you've done here is prove that you really are a jack ass.

Another thing you are wrong about is the Woa-is-Me Femi-Nazi, because all feminazi are Woa-is-me dames who feel sorry for them selves and use men as scape goats for their lousy lives. All they do is wine and bitch, and when somebody comes along and tells them to shut up, they hide behind their gender like a coward pulling a girl in font of him during a fight. The truth is that if a male member of the forum had made the same general comment about women's appearances he would have been ripped a knew one by a certain portion of the forum. Well why shouldn't it happen to a female member of the forum as well? When Doll made that comment, though I believe her when she says she didn't do it to offend anyone, she was in fact slamming members of the Forum. After all there are allot of producers who are members of the forum. So when rhiannon said she didn't understand why people were coming down on her for it, I explained it. If you don't like hearing (or in this case reading) the truth to fucking bad.

You are right about one thing Babbles, I am not a gentleman, because in this day and age, a gentleman is just a sucker waiting to be had.

 

[rhiannon]

but slamming the appearance of the male lers, some of whom are members of the forum, is not the best way to get that done

Maybe we should just agree on that the point Doll is making is a valid one, but she should have worded it differently? 🙂

 

[BellaRisa]

in clips I hardly see see women of my type, except for a selected few, for example Bella's clips. Needless to say that she is a woman making clips, so that's probably the reason for the girl's next door being into it, not to mention there are a lot of women from the forum in her clips which gives the whole thing a totally different dimension.

For the record, my criteria for a shoot is a little different; I'll rarely if ever have the typical tickling video 'model' type in my material, not because I'm a "woman making clips" but because I only use 'lees that I'd want to play with off camera as well as on, and frankly the average video girl doesn't interest me for various reasons; I like what I like 😉 . I also prefer working with 'lees that are actual tickling-enthusiasts and with whom I already have a friendship whenever possible, it always makes for a better session that way (with no one whining about whether it's fake) and it's *always* more fun, and no matter how much money you can make there's no point to doing this if it's not fun 🙂 Every single clip I've made-seriously all of them-has gotten a slew of lovely compliments on the attractiveness of the 'lee, which tells me that you can be a "girl next door", a "MILF", a "BBW", and/or all of the above and also be smokin' hot to the many who love your particular look and sensuality (which is actually more important for a good clip, more producers need to realize that).

Maybe we should just agree on that the point Doll is making is a valid one, but she should have worded it differently?

Ha, that was established pages ago; notice that Doll herself hasn't said a word in days, I'd imagine she got the message and moved on with life while we're all still having this conversation 😀

 

[porcelaindoll2]

I had no clue I was going to spark such a big debate. I have agreed with a lot of people's comments and I do see that I should have worded it better. I really honestly wasn't trying to be rude, but I see why it would've been taken that way. I am glad some people did agree with me. Next time I need to watch my wording.

 

[ViperGTS]

I posted a picture of my pecker online once as well.

I didn't get a single complaint. 😀

 

[SlaverTickler]

I posted a picture of my pecker online once as well.

I didn't get a single complaint. 😀

YOU.... YOU.... errr... you.

 

[Sandisk444]

Maybe the unattractive guys are the ones who are kick ass 'lers though?

i never really pay much attention to the 'ler unless they are talking alot or making their presence really noticeable i guess you would say.

 

[rhiannon]

Maybe the unattractive guys are the ones who are kick ass 'lers though?

I doubt a casting is done beforehand 🙂