Why do people NOT buy tickling clips?

[mabus]

For all the talk of declining video sales, pirating, what people want in videos, etc. I figured it'd be good to post reasons people actually don't
buy clips. These are a few reasons I don't buy certain clips, or less in general, in no particular order, feel free to add any other reasons:

The economy sucks.

I understand if you follow the mainstream media, the economy's probably roaring and things are just swell, but in the last several years, the economy
sucks, jobs are hard to find, inflation has risen, and incomes are down. People simply don't have the extra cash to spend on tickle clips like
they used to.

People need the money for other things.

I've been trying to get debt free for the last few years, so have purchased a LOT fewer clips than I used to. I'd rather have no debt and
the luxury to choose a few good clips, than to be buying clips knowing I've got debt to pay off later on.

People are tired of the revolving line of tickle models doing the rounds these last few years.

There are about 10 to 20 regular models who appear in the vast majority of clips, excluding Turtleboy, who's in England, and the Czech sites.
I believe most of them aren't ticklish, or I don't care for their laughs (fuck it, many are faking it.) but I'm sure they're reliable, aren't driven away by
the psychopaths who drove away Zen's recent, best amateur model ever (dammit!!), and probably have their own little fan base.

If you don't care for those girls....you won't be buying many clips. In the past, almost every girl in any video was new and a surprise, may have been
fantastic, may have been average. Now, since these"pros" are ever-present, you just see their name and if you don't care for them, you won't even bother.

This is probably the biggest reason I've cut back, a lot, on clip purchases.

People may just tired of the same ole same ole format for clips.

If almost ever clip features the same set up, same girls, same outfits, etc. eventually customers will be like, "I already have that clip,
don't really need it again..." I have bought the occasional clip of one of the revolving models, if the story was very unique/sexy/well done.
I'm not talking the high end produced CGI clips, .....as a "for example," James Dark of Shy and Wild Tickling just introduced the character
of the Tickle Secretary, a secretary to a tickle fetish producer. She was in nylons, the story was great, I bought it!

I thought the concept was new and brilliant, an obvious concept no one had done yet. If he makes more in the
series, I'll check them out more seriously than I will the next standard "girl in stocks in bikini on her 14th shoot" clip.

The quality sucks.

A lot of amateurs shoot in dark rooms and/or n lights in a already darkly colored room.
I don't even bother, if I can't see anything....or if it's grainy/looks like it was shot on an IPhone on top of being dark, then doubly forget it.

I want a large number of great clips to choose from, but lately, even when I have money.....there's not much I'm interested anymore.

I know piracy drives producers bonkers, I don't blame them, but there are a lot of other factors in lagging clip sales (if sales are actually lagging.)

 

[milagros317]

I don't buy clips because I get all the tickling action that I need in real life from Goddess Shelly.
Before I started seeing Mistress Zara (GS's predecessor), I bought many, many VHS tapes. (That was back in the 1980's, an entire different generation of technology.)

 

[daddy]

In the clips I have bought I have found the preview clip was the best part of the whole clip and the rest was very disappointing.

peace out,
daddy

 

[tkltoy]

In the clips I have bought I have found the preview clip was the best part of the whole clip and the rest was very disappointing.

peace out,
daddy

Just like every movie ever.

 

[tmac]

For all the talk of declining video sales, pirating, what people want in videos, etc. I figured it'd be good to post reasons people actually don't
buy clips. These are a few reasons I don't buy certain clips, or less in general, in no particular order, feel free to add any other reasons:

People are tired of the revolving line of tickle models doing the rounds these last few years.

There are about 10 to 20 regular models who appear in the vast majority of clips, excluding Turtleboy, who's in England, and the Czech sites.
I believe most of them aren't ticklish, or I don't care for their laughs (fuck it, many are faking it.) but I'm sure they're reliable, aren't driven away by
the psychopaths who drove away Zen's recent, best amateur model ever (dammit!!), and probably have their own little fan base.

If you don't care for those girls....you won't be buying many clips. In the past, almost every girl in any video was new and a surprise, may have been
fantastic, may have been average. Now, since these"pros" are ever-present, you just see their name and if you don't care for them, you won't even bother.

This is probably the biggest reason I've cut back, a lot, on clip purchases.

I agree with this reason and its a topic that doesn't get mentioned often. The lack of choices is one of the reasons I don't really produce videos anymore. Years ago when I first started without a website it was easy to recruit new beautiful girls who had never modeled and were really ticklish. When communicating with them, I really liked their personalities. I had to turn many away because I couldn't afford to pay so many at the same time. When I met these ladies they were gorgeous, fun, and ticklish. They weren't interested in doing the more porn hardcore material you see today and I feel like that added to their appeal. I couldn't believe how easy it was. Looking back I really got lucky with some terrific girls.

Years later, with a professional website, its extremely difficult to get fresh new talent that fits the girl next door look or hasn't modeled for every other company. Many of these tickle " pros" of the industry come off as bored and just go through the motions as they work with various producers. The prime age range for my best sales are 18-23 and many of these regular models have been working for several years. The pro models can handle the negatives of the industry (creepy stalkers, psychopaths, annoying perverts, being found out on the web, etc) more than a new model but it doesn't produce as much in sales/profit, especially when the older pro models cost us more than a new pretty face.

Many of us who were around in the old days still remember Mary from Magic Touch. Why is she memorable after so many years? Was it the nudity, hand/foot jobs, severe bondage or making out with another girl? Of course not. Mary's video featured none of what is common today. Mary was a pretty girl, with a fun personality and extremely ticklish. She hadn't been over saturated in working with other producers. Jeff's camera work and editing were not great (his first video) but he had a winner with the girl. The Mary types are harder to find in this modern era for whatever reason.

I agree piracy, the economy and the other things mentioned have hurt our sales as producers. However, if you find an amazing model buyers will come. Hopefully, the stalkers don't scare her off. The lack of new attractive/fun/ticklish models and the availability of the same ole regulars has made our over saturated business that much harder.


T-Mac
laughterisbeautiful.org

 

[tickletherapist]

Many of us who were around in the old days still remember Mary from Magic Touch. Why is she memorable after so many years? Was it the nudity, handjobs, severe bondage or making out with another girl? Of course not. Mary's video featured none of what is common today. Mary was a pretty girl, with a fun personality and extremely ticklish. She hadn't been over saturated in working with other producers. Jeff's camera work and editing were not great (his first video) but he had a winner with the girl. The Mary types are harder to find in this modern era for whatever reason.
laughterisbeautiful.org

Agree. Innocence is the rearest commodity these days.
One of my favourite clips.
We try to find these types of girls and women to show them that tickle therapy can be fun. Their reactions to this new thing for them are adorable.

 

[Lostcause13]

I agree with Daddy that some clips have great previews, then when you buy them they suck.

For myself, at this point i already have so many clips that I see no reason to waste money on new ones, especially if they may not be any good and I can get the juicy part in a free preview. And by the time ive seen all of mine the stuff I havent watched in a while is what I'm craving.

Some producers make really long ones, like LIB. I have a ton from him that are like 40 min+, so that can be good as like 5/6 different clips bc i never get through the whole thing.

Also at this point there are so many producers with different styles out there these days, even in the video/audio section theres only 5 or so who I'll even look at their work In the first place, much less buy.

I think the market is just saturated, and saturated with so much you can get for free. Why pay ten bucks for a ten minute clip when i can find a decent clip on youtube by looking a few minutes for free?

 

[ScorpionKing]

I've been buying clips since 2008 and most are on a portable hard drive. I just don't feel a need to buy as much anymore.

I think the market is just saturated, and saturated with so much you can get for free. Why pay ten bucks for a ten minute clip when i can find a decent clip on youtube by looking a few minutes for free?

If not youtube, you can get them from places like Pornhub. They have a bunch.

 

[weezl]

Money is tight, videos are available for free download at several websites, many videos suck ass and aren't worth our money, we constantly see the same non-ticklish boring-as-hell model in a ton of videos.

There are a ton of reasons.

 

[TicklishBlackGuy]

to add to all that, I think there are not a good share of different models,
big models, models of different race, girls who are brats and not just
skinny girls that are just so common. Like to get something different.
Also not enough for when they tickle spots since majority of the vids
reach out to the foot fetish community it seems. Not a whole lot of different
things like maybe underarms, bellies, navels, shit even thighs and butts,
just its all the same thing.

 

[tickles4fun]

no offence but most of the stuff coming out today is crap why would I waste my money stuff was much better about 2 to 5 years ago.

now we have full out porn instead of true tickle videos flooding the video section, less attractive people and like weezl said why buy when you can get for free.

 

[Myriads]

Every so often we get a thread like this. And they tend to come down to "Everything new today sucks, everything from today-x was the bestest stuff ever!"

One reason for this is that the material one first encounters when exploring ones sexual desires tends to imprint. Not unlike the first popular music you experience around age 11 or so. Eventually as styles change as they do over a half decade suddenly nothing looks like what you started with, and it's not satisfying. And guess what, it's not made for you. It's made for the next batch of consumers. Drifted to a new shape by market forces, driven by what sells.

How many of you supported Last Laugh? There was your innocent, non-pro model, non-porn, non-nude never seen them before tickling company of the last few years. They made the EXACT sort of stuff you describe, like MTP's Mary and so on. Innocent amateurs being tickled in decent bondage.

But Last Laugh has faded away. I wonder why.

Tickle Abuse did no nude shooting for mosts its first year and change. It cast local models. But market drift pushed it into the current shape you see. People bought nude. People bought mixed orgasm clips, people bought fetish models. They didn't buy the other stuff.

Tickle Intensive tends to hire on a lot of non-pro talent. I can think of a dozen models they have used in the past year that appeared no where else. Has anyone complaining about too many circuit girls been looking there?

Oh no! All the models have tats and piercings and so on! Have you looked around at people in general of late? Most have tats and piercings. Guess what society changed while you were looking elsewhere Mr 30-something porn buyer. People have taken on a new look. Just like your grungy friends did in the 90's, or your preppie ones in the 80's or your hippy ones in the 70's. Videos are going to mostly cast the young (Because once again market forces have taught producers that young sells, and old doesn't. That thin sells, and heavy doesn't, and so on) so you are gonna see the young in new material.

I've been watching ticking video material roll out since the mid 80's. I've even studied it with a Historians perspective and can discuss how it's broken down in to several distinct phases. But the one constant is that it will keep changing and adapting to the current market conditions. That means the buyers, the technology, the culture and the financial state of the nation will all be constantly molding it into a new shape.

Why has orgasm play shown up in so many tickling videos? It's a sister-fetish to tickling, all under the response control umbrella. It's forcing a response from a person. Producers recognized that there was an overlap in the two paraphilia communities and tried it. And got sales. And you know what? Sexuality is not a mono-focus experience, that there is variety and depth in the porn made for people is a good thing. There is a reason tickling turns you on psychologically, and perhaps there are other close things that do also. Perhaps some exploration away from pushing that one button all the time is a plus. But I digress.

People speak of "True Tickle Videos" I politely ask what the hell that means.

I've heard it said it means no activity of any type BUT tickling.
but some say no bondage, because holding down the lee physically makes it 'true'
Is nudity cool? Socks? What should they wear? I see lots of people saying unless X is worn or X is not worn decides "True"
and so on. There is no "True" that anyone agrees upon.

They are ALL True tickling videos for someone. They just might not be for YOU.

Here is a fact that happens with almost all media. Porn and non Porn alike. As a consumer gets older and experience more of it, at some point they tend to cap out. "I have enough" "New stuff is just like the old stuff" "I'm bored with it all." "I just watch my old favorites, thats more then enough." They drop out of the markets and live in the past. Which is fine. Because the past worked for them, and the present is for someone else. It's only a problem when they try to make now like then.

The next time your parent goes off on how movies are all crap now, and just are not like the golden age of film (which always happened when they were in their teens) take a moment and reflect that you sound the same here.

Quality of production.

Someone even mentions it above. the Mary clip was not that well produced. It was good enough, but it didn't set the standards for lighting, sound, video angles etc. It was good enough. At the same time others above Dis lots of new producers who are making the sort of amateur based stuff so badly wanted because production is not good, lighting is not good etc. If the Mary Clip was released to day as it was almost 20 years ago, it would sink like a rock and never be heard of again. Why? because you all hold everything to the standards of the top five companies (TA, TI, UK, French, CzT) of today. Who shoot with the newest camera's, light with equipment, have their models makeup and hair often done before shoots, edit from multiple cameras, and so forth. You EXPECT that quality for your dollar now. You reject 'real' and such because to you it looks worse on a base production level. That is the hypocrisy of the consumer. It's not special to our fetish or even porn. It's normal. But it favors the big, and those most on trend.

Here are some real world facts.

Your stuff is crap to new buyers.
New Buyers stuff is crap to old timers.

And that is cool. Because each set of stuff was made at a specific time and place and for a specific audience. This fetish community is not the same as it was in 2000. People are more open, accepting, even proud. Videos that worked then, seem quaint and old fashioned now, just as if you took a full on hard core clip from today and tossed it in a time machine to 2000 you'd blow minds, and not in the good way.

Enjoy the material you enjoy. Look for stuff like it now, but don't apply todays standards to that new stuff when it comes to quality or style. And you'll find stuff.

Go to Tickle Abuses site and search 'Cindi' Go to Tickle Intensive and search 'Lisa' Go to French Tickling and search 'Mannon'. Your fresh faced lees are out there. And good stuff is being done with them. But can you look past the modern style changes to enjoy it? That is only something you can answer.

Myriads

 

[Comfort Eagle]

words

You know what I've come to realize is that people can't seem to find anything they want, but if some amateurish start-up tries to get something going, they have nothing but a list of things they get wrong. "I want girls next door!", and then bitch that said girls don't react the very specific way they think they should or dress a way they think a "model" should. "Where's all the mainstream stuff?! I want real scenarios!", and then bitch when these people don't have producer quality cameras and lighting.

"Baww baww they keep using the same models this is ridiculous!!!", but you guys keep putting those clips straight on the best seller lists, don't you?

 

[maniactickler]

I can get enough free stuff off the internet to keep me happy.

 

[Raytheon]

As a horny 19 year old, it was a fun naughty thing to do in the heat of the moment. At nearly 30 buying porn of young girls is just creepy ... and it gets my card suspended, un-necessarily risks my career if my employer found out and compromises the electronic devices I'd keep it on. Real World activities, going to meets, playing an active role in the community and getting to know friends are much better and safer

 

[MalevolentCha0s]

After so many years and a library that's already several hundred clips strong, I've just become a lot more picky about what I buy. I don't need to buy another clip of Sharron Small or Sasha Foxxx. I've probably already bought 10 clips of those models over the past couple years, and this one's not likely to be any different.

I still budget some money every month towards clips, and comb C4S once a week to see the latest offerings, but I don't feel compelled to spend it unless something *really* jumps out at me. Otherwise, I'll save my money and watch what I already have, or browse the tube sites for something new and interesting.

That said, I don't think the "model circuit" is that bad - if anything, it's nice to know right off the bat if I'm going to like something or not, based on who's in it. And there are some regulars that I really enjoy, and will pretty much auto-buy if a new clip surfaces. Aside from that, there are still plenty of stores who have fresh faces. Unfortunately, a lot of them lack decent previews (and as mentioned, some of the ones that do have previews are misleading). There's no telling if that girl next door is a future star or a bust, and most of the time I'm not willing to spend $7-$15 to find out.

EDIT: May as well add piracy as a big reason (if not the biggest). I feel for the producers affected by it, but there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. The internet is now flooded with free material, supply outweighs demand, and it's created a definite buyer's market. Gone are the days where C4S or membership sites were the only place to find new quality content. A lot of us are still willing to spend money, but the content has to really stand out and above the rest. In some ways, that's not a bad thing. The producers that can evolve and adapt to this new world will thrive, and those that can't will die off and help restore balance to the supply vs demand equation.

 

[Seerzors]

I agree that many of the clips arent good and many of the models have fake reactions that just kill the video. Also online there are a plenty to keep me satisfied, though I have wanted to buy several good clips. The biggest thing for me is the price of the clips, which are $1 a minute up to like $15 or something. Ive been to another clips store that sell them for like $2 flat and I bought several clips off them. Granted they wernt online but even if they were I would still buy them cause I know the producer can keep coming up with the good stuff.

Granted there would be less revenue from lower prices but I think they would be compensated by the extra market of buyers who would buy loads if they were cheaper.
Just ma 2 cents though

 

[porcelaindoll2]

I very much believe in the saying, "Once you post something online it's on the internet forever." and you can find a ton of tickle clips by retired, old, and new producers free of charge if you know where to look. YouTube is pretty good about taking clips down, but at Dailymotion no f***s seem to be given unless someone reports it. Plus now it is easier then ever to share large files via email and you also have torrents. I am sure most people are going why should I buy clips when I can view them for free. Heck there are sites and programs that easily let you save videos you find on the web. I by no means think piracy is cool, but I also feel it is fight that will never be won.

 

[Fetter]

it gets my card suspended, un-necessarily risks my career if my employer found out

Maybe don't use your company credit card?

 

[RavensFan52]

I simply see no reason to pay for something I can get for free. (YouTube, dailymotion etc) Especially seeing how most tickling clips are WAY overpriced. If clips were a more reasonable cost I could see buying a couple here and there since you can't find everything for free. But as long as I'm seeing clips costing over 15 bucks for 14 minutes and other laughable prices I'll stick to the free sites.

 

[chicago]

I personally don't buy videos because watching others do what I enjoy doesn't have as much appeal to me as actually having the experience myself.

 

[ScorpionKing]

I quit Dailymotion years ago when I was no longer able to find anything good. Everything that was good, I had already downloaded to my hard drive.

 

[Seerzors]

I simply see no reason to pay for something I can get for free. (YouTube, dailymotion etc) Especially seeing how most tickling clips are WAY overpriced. If clips were a more reasonable cost I could see buying a couple here and there since you can't find everything for free. But as long as I'm seeing clips costing over 15 bucks for 14 minutes and other laughable prices I'll stick to the free sites.

that's my point at this price range there's no way I will pay for something free, but at a much cheaper price range I would be willing to buy even if it was free as it is within my valuation to keep the producers going

 

[Seerzors]

I quit Dailymotion years ago when I was no longer able to find anything good. Everything that was good, I had already downloaded to my hard drive.

dailymotion, youtube, ph, xvids etc same here I've got the ones I wanted on my HD

 

[Seerzors]

I have paid for subscription sites for like $13 a month streaming or $30 a month that includes downloads and I think they make more sense to me purchasing wise but $15 for one video just is too much for me.