Why do people NOT buy tickling clips?

[Seerzors]

Well...yeah. At least at the higher end. It's all about the most bang for your buck.

I can spend $15, and get 15 minutes of content. This is assuming that the entire video is tickling, which is often not the case..but let's give the benefit of the doubt.

Or I can spend $30 on a monthly sub to TA or Czech, browse through a catalog 100+ pages long, and download 20 hours of content. I can then cancel the sub and get all of that for $30, or if I'm getting more than 30 minutes of new content a month, keep it active. Either way, I'm getting more from my money than I am at C4S.

To use a real world application of this, I often find a model that I really, really enjoy, and want to see more of. Now, if I want to buy all of the clips that a producer has of that girl, and there's 10 clips....that could run me anywhere from $50-$150. Or I can go buy a $30 sub at their membership site, download all 10, and then cancel the sub. Which makes more financial sense?

You have to keep the producers in mind which is what they have been saying for a long time now, if the producers kept producing on the amount of revenue from subscription outcomes like this they may go bust and the good material wouldn't be produced. At some point there has to be a realistic compromise that keeps the producers in business and the customers (considering the entire market not just the section that value it less) buying.

 

[Seerzors]

For those saying that 1 dollar a minute is not a good deal, consider this:

You may spend about 8 or 10 dollars to get a sandwich from subway, which may last about 15 to 20 minutes.

You can spend 5 dollars for 5 good minutes, and you'll have it forever.

You spend more on a train ticket sometimes, than you do on these videos. You spend more on a lot of things than you do on these videos.

In a way, yes, the consumer is quite privileged, however in a way the consumer is not.

Much of the content is monotonous, save for a few producers who generate new material with new people consistently. This monotony can make ANYONE irate.

There should be a comprimise.

I see your point but then are your (or anyone elses) revenues high enough for you (them) considering the videos you (they) make and the pricing system we have at the moment? The question is can you increase your revenue by decreasing your prices and (potentially of course) increasing your customer base? It's too difficult to convince people to spend on clips at the current prices, it's much more effective to find a pricing system that works better in the current state of the market (accounting for piracy) for everybody.

 

[COOLCAT88]

Theres always youtube. Why spend money for a clip where someone shows their feet for 5 minutes or so, when I can go on YouTube or another video sharing site and see some random girl from who knows where do the same thing for free?

 

[RavensFan52]

I get what you are trying to say but I think you are missing the point in a few places.




Firstly, producers do offer sales and deals (I had one running last week) we just have to be more creative to work around the limitations of C4S. $1 per min may not seem cheap but it is reflective of the production costs involved in supplying a product for a niche fetish market. C4S is by far the largest fetish clip vendor around and is I'm afraid, a necessary evil if producers are to reach the relatively small group of potential customers out there.

Understood. As I said earlier though, just because there is a legitimate reason why the clips cost what they do does not mean Im willing to pay it. I have a better understanding of how it works now but we are just on opposite sides of the fence.

The reason I make that analogy (and believe it is valid) is because tickling vids are entertainment. They are a luxury, not a necessity - like getting a pizza, watching a movie, buying an album or some apps for your phone etc, etc. Tickling may not be a hobby but watching clips is just another form of entertainment - and it is a choice. You can choose not to watch clips and to read a book or go out with friends instead, or you can choose to buy clips. Some people choose to spend their time pirating them instead and that is also a choice.

Ehhh I dunno about that. This is a addictive fetish. I don't think I could just stop watching. Also like I said before I don't put the same value in getting a pizza or hanging out at the movies with porn. However I do think the snacks are over priced at movie theaters. Therefore I never buy them instead I sneak my own snacks in. Even though those hot dogs and chicken fingers look good Im not paying those ridiculous prices. If they were a more reasonable price I wouldn't go through the trouble of sneaking my own snacks in.. Kinda see what I'm getting at?

The fact that you personally feel you would be willing to work for free and to run a business that makes no money, just because you could get to tickle women does not apply to other people. Of course producers expect to make a living of some sort and if they can't because there isn't enough of a market, then they will shut up shop. It isn't a charity, although I think collectively we do put out a hell of a lot of free content.

Another case of opposite sides of the fence. We can just agree to disagree. I'd be fine tickling tons of women and breaking even.

I get the point but again, lots of producers already offer membership sites like this - Tickleabuse, Czech, French Tickling to name a few. I also have one although I keep it seperate to my store and produce seperate content for it. You know what gets pirated the most heavily? The membership site. Why? Because people can download everything for one low price and then post it everywhere...and so people stop signing up. This is why porn has generally been moving away from the subscription site model towards the pay-per-view model in recent years. That's the problem with mass piracy - it has a way of killing off things that worked pretty well before. The other problem with subscription sites is the cost - your average adult membership site build will set you back somewhere in the region $3000-$6000. Of course, you then have to pay for all that space to host all those vids and the bandwidth to cover all the users. And then you have to pay a % of each sale to your payment processor. This is why sites like clips4sale enable producers of niche fetish material (like tickling) to exist.

I agree that services like Spotify are great, but bear in mind that Apple has about 10 billion, billion customers - all buying iPhones and computers. They could probably offer Spotify for free and still make a fortune.

Understood. I was thinking more along the lines of a site where you can't technically download the clips. You can only watch it from within the interface of the site. So if you cancel the subscription you can no longer watch the clips anymore. Thats how spotify works. But I didn't realize it be so expensive to set something like that up. It be a good idea too 🙁 ... But I now have a much better understanding of how things work

 

[CTS Film Crew]

I see your point but then are your (or anyone elses) revenues high enough for you (them) considering the videos you (they) make and the pricing system we have at the moment?

Yup, mine actually is, but even when it wasn't I made sure I handled my pricing differently from Clips4sale. I eventually got my own website in addition to my Clips4sale so I can have my own sales when I want and offer deals.

The question is can you increase your revenue by decreasing your prices and (potentially of course) increasing your customer base?

Yup, I've done it before. But I have a great means of communication with my clientele and with my customer sources. Perhaps not everyone has it like that. But definitely lowering the prices at certain times will definitely help to increase my revenue. It's actually part of the reason that for one segment of my clips I have this pricing:

Videos over 30 Minutes are 18.99.
Videos between 12 and 29 minutes are 12.99.
Videos between 8 and 11 minutes are 8.99 to 9.99.
Videos 7 minutes and under are priced by minute.

I get lots of customers because I keep these prices the same. Especially when I have videos that are two hours long. The temptation is there to raise the price, but I keep it the same, because I know it works out in the end.

It's too difficult to convince people to spend on clips at the current prices, it's much more effective to find a pricing system that works better in the current state of the market (accounting for piracy) for everybody.

Which is why I encourage everyone to get their own website. In addition to a clips4sale, it's SO much easier.

 

[P[a]pi]

Because the female lee isn't gagged. Man o' man if only gags were more popular in the tickling community. I guess it's best for my wallet lol.

 

[Tickle Abuse]

I always thought $1/min is crazy especially for the quality that is mostly available. I push my website and it is very profitable despite some other producers claiming it cannot be. Memberships are the best option, more money initially than buying an individual clip but you get thousands of videos to download. Now not every video will be to your liking, hell I don't like many of my own videos, but definitely more than enough to download that you will more than get your money's worth.

Piracy has hurt everyone's bottom line, but mostly because it has scared potential models away. Tickling videos are posted everywhere now, even damn pornhub. My bottom line isn't hurt by piracy in the way that you think, those people aren't buying anything anyway, it is the fact that non fetish models are scared to do videos now. The rare girl next door that comes in a few times to do a video is all too aware how easy it is now to find tickling videos.

You want videos to improve, everyone stop posting videos where they are not meant to be posted!!! I used to be able to look a model in the eyes and say that the videos would be posted on my site and on tickling sites such as here. Now I cannot say that, I have to tell them that it could end up anywhere.

 

[Oblesklk]

Piracy has hurt everyone's bottom line, but mostly because it has scared potential models away. Tickling videos are posted everywhere now, even damn pornhub. My bottom line isn't hurt by piracy in the way that you think, those people aren't buying anything anyway, it is the fact that non fetish models are scared to do videos now. The rare girl next door that comes in a few times to do a video is all too aware how easy it is now to find tickling videos.

You want videos to improve, everyone stop posting videos where they are not meant to be posted!!! I used to be able to look a model in the eyes and say that the videos would be posted on my site and on tickling sites such as here. Now I cannot say that, I have to tell them that it could end up anywhere.

This is a great point I rarely see made on the forums. It's one of the secondary reasons I stopped TickleTown. The site was profitable with its membership setup, but I didn't really care about that. What I did care about was protecting the identity of the kinds of girls next door I wanted to work with. And when that protection was repeatedly violated without a second thought by a minority of our buyers, there was a breach of trust I had no interest in participating in. It's one of the reasons we no longer offer our products on any platform (clips/streaming).

So when you see a pattern of buyers complaining that the same dozen or so professional, fetish models keep showing up over and over, well...cause...I'd like to introduce you to effect.

I'm sure you'll get along fabulously.

 

[Dolphingirl9]

There's a lot of sloppy production now a days. Bad camera work / bad lighting / more talking or teasing than tickling even though the description says otherwise / producers insisting of sitting in front of their models, blocking half the picture with their gut / not using a tripod / list goes on and on... these things don't "cost" more to produce, its just sloppy on the film makers end.

Real tickling / Tickling-Post, Silvercherry, Czech, and Frenchtickling did it right years ago... no nonsense and the clips were easy to navigate. One can easily find what they wanted in a set of clips and they were typically split up for the foot/upperbody/orgasm fans, there were predictable segments in the videos for each body part instead of jumping around changing places every 7 seconds, and lastly the last 60-45 seconds of the video were always the most intense. Very few producers actually still follow this format consistently which is why I keep my Frenchtickling subscription. He has stuck with the proven format for a tickling video which works and rarely leaves you guessing as to how the video will play out, always provides solid previews and new models, and uses proper bondage. Czech is a close second as they still use some of the best bondage set-ups and proper use of tripods, seriously this cannot be emphasized enough... Go watch an old Real Tickling clip from years back where the Lee cannot move a muscle, you can see their fingers and eyebrows react to RT's every spot he finds, fantastic!

There's so much lost in their reactions if the camera is shaking around and moving...even if the camera man is trying to hold still, it's filming and photography 101 people.

 

[primetime]

What I never understood about people posting videos to places like Dailymotion, youtube, etc, is WHY? How does posting a video for free on one of those mediums benefit the person who posted it? They don't make any money off of it, so why even do it to begin with? I do not like to watch "free" tickling videos because I know the producer is getting screwed. Plus, I have ordered custom videos and to see if posted somewhere for free pisses me off too. My money went into the video and I want the model and producer to benefit from my "vision". They don't benefit because some jackoffs want to post stuff for free.

The excuse of "it's too expensive" is a weak one. The comparison to a movie is the same. You pay a lot to see movies nowadays, and the clips are still nonetheless, entertainment. Also keep in mind that producers have business costs and it is not like they are making millions off of their product. If you choose to watch free videos, then that is just you being cheap. Period.

Now to the actual topic, I do not buy as many tickling videos because most of the "big" companies are pretty much the same. I LOVE certain models, but if you have seen one where they are strapped down or in stocks in one video, why pay for another with the exact same setup? No real creativity. So I like to look at clips that have some form of a"story" to it. Yes, some of the plots are cheesy, but I like the story aspect of it.

 

[Darth Sidious]

Amen to both Tommy and Oblesklk on this one! This is seriously the crux of the problem!!! Piracy by itself is not what's ruining things today, but also this unfounded sense of entitlement from some people on this forum who think it's ok to just upload and share copyrighted videos that we put time, effort, and hard work on! No respect or thought at all to the model or her privacy and after reading what Oblesklk stated for why he quit, it just annoys me all the more. Some people on here have no respect!

I've seen comments here about changing of delivery... I know it wouldn't be a popular thing...but perhaps its gotten to a point where clips need to be stream-only to prevent people from sharing what they don't have the right to in the first place. It's easier for me to trace back the source of piracy offenders because of the unique setup I have, which has helped seriously reduce the counts I do see of my stuff which is rare these days, thankfully.

It's not ok just to "break even" when you produce work. A profit has to be had in order for things to keep new content going. If this behavior does not stop, you will see a widespread dwindling of tickle content regardless of what your preference of producer is. It may very well take something that big just to get some on here to wake the hell up!

This is a great point I rarely see made on the forums. It's one of the secondary reasons I stopped TickleTown. The site was profitable with its membership setup, but I didn't really care about that. What I did care about was protecting the identity of the kinds of girls next door I wanted to work with. And when that protection was repeatedly violated without a second thought by a minority of our buyers, there was a breach of trust I had no interest in participating in. It's one of the reasons we no longer offer our products on any platform (clips/streaming).

So when you see a pattern of buyers complaining that the same dozen or so professional, fetish models keep showing up over and over, well...cause...I'd like to introduce you to effect.

I'm sure you'll get along fabulously.

 

[COOLCAT88]

I just happened to look at the size of my collection of feet/tickling pics and videos on my external hard drive, and the size of it is over 117 Gigabytes, all bought over 7-8 years. If people have even a fraction of the size of my collection, there really is no need to buy more...

 

[weezl]

I have paid for a few custom videos, and legit purchased every video and picture that is in my collection. As bad as this sounds, the only thing that pisses me off about the video's showing up on a lot of websites for free, is that it scares away a lot of women.

One of my favorite things about tickling video's is that you never know when one of our favorite producers somehow gets a never-before-seen beautiful/gorgeous female to participate in a video. Ever since these damn videos started appearing on tons of major streaming sites for free, you tend to see a lot of the same girls in videos. I like variety.

 

[Novus]

I actually owned the Mary videos on VHS back in the early 2000s but I have not paid for anything in over 10 years. The main reason is tastes changed. The lions' share of videos are M/F but what my taste is really the F/M variety. However, the F/M videos are usually poor quality with "fake" laughter and low grade models.

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

I don't buy videos because my interest in tickling is such that it isn't in the slightest bit fed by watching it happen on a screen. I see and do more than enough of it in real life than to be moved by any video.

 

[Simplytickles]

Change is coming. that is for sure. Change is inevitable in our business.
Hell i remember buying a VHS tape or two from Jeff a million years ago. (Loved it btw) The days of downloading clips are dwindling. Streaming memberships might be the answer. Im in a weird spot of being pissed and honored my clips get pirated right now. Little old me and my camera right? I do this part time and for fun/hobby, not really to turn a profit. If I only break even im happy, I got to tickle a pretty girl for an hour.

 

[Sun80]

I agree 100% with primetime.

 

[Wesker28]

For one thing it seems more and more producers actually fail to provide a video preview. If you aren't going to show more than clips4sale 10 second previews; or gifs, i'm not buying anything.

 

[COOLCAT88]

Yeah. Give us a preview of your stuff to interest us into buying...

 

[IHaveAFetish]

I don't buy most clips, because it always seems like there's an over abundance of the same bland fake orgasm exaggerated style of "tickling" instead of something that I can personally relate to and imagine myself doing. I enjoy the innocence and casual environment of a good tickling, not a festering urge to slobber all over some lingerie porno model's feet while they are tied to a greasy chair. For a guy that has a major feet tickling fetish, I can personally say that most clips do the exact opposite of what they were intended to do and make me feel disgusted to even click on them. Hope I'm not offending anybody.

 

[robbyman105]

I've bought clips but the only ones I've enjoyed all the way through/multiple viewings is Tickle Therapy, Tickle Abuse, and French Tickling. Idk why but it's rare for me to find clips that I feel like were honestly worth the $1/min

 

[COOLCAT88]

Video Previews honestly are what make or break video sales now...

 

[C.A.B.]

I suspect that while video producers have over the years distilled down to a "get to the fap" 7-10 minute predictable formula... the potential buyers have also adapted a way to fap to a looped 3 minute preview. Since the whole industry has streamlined to the 'Fap'.... so have the potential buyers.

There used to be a more interpersonal creative dynamic or theme to videos, but in the last 5-10 years its become mechanical. More about a streamlined format to push volume of sales over creativity and cash outlay.

On the other hand, as a fetish creative myself, I understand that within our community it really is "all about the fap" and the "money shots". And I sympathize with the heart-break of wanting to do something creative and grandiose that transcends simple fap material... but for all the hard work, time and investment, to hear that folks just want to cut to the 5-7 minute wank material is very discouraging. As one asshole emailed me on the second Silke Arches animation "Can't you put in a fast-foward button so I can just get to the good parts?" Fuck you, bro.

Alas, the current state of affairs in the lack of creative fetish material.

 

[silvershadow]

Probably someone had already mentioned it before but the reason people don't buy tickle clips is the same reason they don't buy books, DVDs and computer software. Which is: why pay for something if you can just steal it?

 

[sttklr]

The reason I don't buy very many clips isn't a "money is tight" issue, it's a value issue. If I don't think it'll be worth my dollar, I won't buy a clip.

I have several fetishes that all blend very well with bound tickling. They usually involve the victim wearing certain articles of clothing while being tickled. Very few clips cater to what I like, so it's hard for me to justify spending $15 on a 12-15 minute clip when, really, I'll only enjoy a few minutes of it before I get tired of it. Sometimes I can settle for clips that only cater to my bound tickling kink if the victim has a certain laugh, or the dynamic between the tickler and the ticklee is just so, or they have unbelievably gorgeous feet, etc... It's kind of a crap-shoot on whether or not I'll really like a clip as there's so many factors that could go in to my liking of it.

That being said, there are a number of clips by various producers (large and small) that I have really liked and that I continue to enjoy even after seeing them again and again. I've paid for each of those and I believe it was money well spent.

On occasion, I have looked for clips on the many pirate sites and given them a watch. I always end up skipping through the clips to find what I want to see and, almost always, come away disappointed and thankful that I didn't spend money on that clip. On the reverse though, I've found clips on the pirate sites that I've really liked and then went and bought those clips as well as others that the producer had to offer.

I feel like that was rambling, but there it is.