Why do people not like police?

[Stugots]

so Viper's a more subtle racist... big deal!! and Kis123 doesn't like the police because the ones that enforce the law in her district suck at it... big deal!! Keep being more of an authoritarian racist Viper... and you'll only arouse the anger in racist victim Kis123. You're both racists and the sooner you acknowledge it the sooner things will get better (otherwise this thread will only get worse). The both of you should kiss and make up... and make a tickling clip together!

 

[kis123]

so Viper's a more subtle racist... big deal!! and Kis123 doesn't like the police because the ones that enforce the law in her district suck at it... big deal!! Keep being more of an authoritarian racist Viper... and you'll only arouse the anger in racist victim Kis123. You're both racists and the sooner you acknowledge it the sooner things will get better (otherwise this thread will only get worse). The both of you should kiss and make up... and make a tickling clip together!

I'm not a racist but I do love to expose them. I also love to expose stupidity and idiocy too. Where you're concerned, there's a lot to be said about consistency.............

 

[kis123]

Same Post:



Keep going, this is kinda fun.

edit: 100 posts in this thread. Wow. 76 of them weren't useful at all and about 32 of those were mine, I think. :/

[/thread]

Give me a holler when you have something of value to say other than the name calling and mud slinging. Obviously you have run out of dialogue so you have to use the schoolyard techniques. Silly, silly, little boy; you don't realize what you're doing is making yourself look stupid.

But enough of the entertainment, I have more important things to do than babysit you. When you're ready for real intelligent substantial conversation, just give me a shout! I won't be holding my breath!

Oh, and your 32 posts weren't the least bit useful; they merely showed your character, or the lack of it. You started something you can't finish which is where that temper of yours becomes fun to incite.

Well, someone else can come in for the next shift; you're someone who needs constant care and shouldn't be left alone for long periods of time. 100% dom---what a joke!!

 

[P[a]pi]

I freakin' knew this thread was gonna blow up in a bad way.

ViperGTS, did you really not know why people don't like the police?

Everyone knows why people don't like the police, and everyone knows why people like them.

Cons = bad attitude, racist, abuse of power (usually toward minorities)

Pros = safety (usually toward white people)

I thought this was common knowledge...

 

[Stugots]

I'm not a racist but I do love to expose them. I also love to expose stupidity and idiocy too. Where you're concerned, there's a lot to be said about consistency.............

You're a racist!!

 

[JoBelle]

I just HAVE to chime in.

I don't dislike cops.
I love looooove cops.
I don't dislike dog walkers.
I don't love dog walkers.
I don't dislike accountants.
I dont' love accountants.

It's a job.

There are parameters for all jobs. There are guidelines. I for one am glad of that. Ever eaten in a dreamy restaurant that was shut down the next day for health violations? EWwww! But restaurant owners don't love health inspectors. They don't hate them either. There have to be guidelines to all jobs or how do we know they are getting done? 😉 Some jobs, due to the degree of danger associated with doing them wrong, require that the person DOING the job be diligent. Even if the people around them while they are doing it don't "get" it or "like" it.

The thing is, I view the job title, COP, as I do any other. It's not the uniform that creates the mentality of the cop. It's the fact that they are just people with pre-defined personailty traits who do that job. Hardasses? Maybe. It takes a strong willed and determined person to go out everyday and do that particular job. Let's be honest folks, a lot of people bang the drum of social reform and living by the law because we don't want people torching our houses, carjacking us, kidnapping our kids, or stealing our Louis Vuitton on the sidewalk. But how many of us would go through the police academy training, then spend our time actually looking for people who do that sort of thing?

"Honey, after dinner tonight, let's load up the kids and take a look-see at what's going on over on 5th Street where those three crack houses are! I hear some really interesting folks live over that way!"
"Gee, babe, that sounds SWELL! Jimmy, Janie, put on your bullet-proof vests, we're going to meet some new friends after pizza!"


How many of us want to get shot? Or squealed at? OR have our kids worry that we won't come home at the end of the night? Or judged by the actions of the idiots who also do the same job? NONE OF US! So, it takes a person who is very confident, and willing to make snap decision which may or may not turn out so well. AND do it knowing that no matter what they do, the common man will never be happy. Meet Sally, who is taking her 3 boys to soccer and is doing 75 in a 45 in a Suburban loaded to the luggage rack. The cop who gave her a ticket for nearly running someone off the road is going to forever be the bad cop. Never mind the fact that Sally was tailgating a fifteen year old girl just learning how to drive! Sally is pissed because she got a ticket and now all cops are bad. If we get that pissed over a speeding ticket, what must we feel when we do something REALLY bad? Yes, there are mistakes made, and there are some cases of really bad cops, but damn....are all the thousands and thousand of cops just like that one person?? Talk about sterotyping and generalizations! Oh, yeah, did the cop bother to tell you he had just been remembering an accident near this same intersection where they peeled the breadwinner of a huge family from the steering column of a Toyota Camry while they searched for the 20 year old college kid that was thrown from the oncoming car? That they were both speeding and neither were wearing their seatbelts. That the cop is really fucking pissed because Sally refused to understand that the cop was actually really concerned that her kids might be airborn next? Oh, yeah....that damn cop. Made her kids late for soccer practice and that's all she can think about.

My brother was a cop for aruond fifteen years. He was no more a jerk because he was a cop than he was as a big brother. He was just a cock-sure about everything kind of guy who happened to become a cop. It was HIGH stress, and eventually the worry and stress cost him his marriage. His now highschool aged kid still remembers being scared when a cop had his lights on going down the road. He asked me once when he was about ten years old if all policemen die in a shootout. And then when he really was shot in the line of duty, that was....unpleasant. He can still be a jerk. But it had nothing to do with being a cop.

I do have to comment on the racism thing too. Being a cop does not make you a racist. You just find racist cops. You have racist cashiers who will do everything possible to make you miserable at Walmart and wait staff in restaurants who treat patrons like crap for having the wrong skin color. You have racist teachers who will fail a kid for the same reason while working extra hard to pass another one. You have racist apartment managers who will find some excuse nto to rent to a person of a certain race.

Do I claim that all black cops are out to "get even" for racial injustice because I've had two bad experiences with two different black cops in two different towns while my white friend cop is a nice guy to eveyrone he meets? Nope. Just happen to have run into a couple of nasty fellows who happen to be black....who happen to be cops. Racism is in the person...not the job title and anyone...ANYONE saying otherwise is doing a disservice to racial harmony. Granted, the historical evidence of racism in America has to have an influence on the the numbers of non-white people who ended up in jail. We'd all have to be a bit loopy to think not. But that won't be fixed by negating the fact that all races still commit crimes and applying reverse discrimination to the guilty parties will not even things out so to speak. The solution? I don't know. That's not my area of expertise. I just hate to see fighting over race...that really gets ya nowhere. Just gets you an ulcer.

OK, go back to your arguing~! 😉
Jo

 

[kis123]

You're a racist!!

Thanks for reminding me why I put you on ignore.....

 

[chicago]

Speaking of cops,

I work and live in one of the biggest cities in this country. I don't walk down a street without seeing a cop.

Last night, my coworker had to call the cops on this crackhead because when he told her we didn't have a public restroom, she proceeded to walk into the back employees-only room and dance.

There is a police station 2 blocks away and it took 30 minutes for them to show up.

Same crackhead lady comes in today, buys a bottle of Coke, and stands at the register for over an hour screaming things and acting like a nut.

I finally call the cops and again, 45 minutes later, 10 of them show up, after the nut finally left, realized they were too late, shrugged their shoulders and then THEY decided to hang around and loiter in the store, drinking cups of coffee they didn't expect to pay for.

I don't think all cops are racist, or crooked, or dirty, or apathetic, but it sucks when you have to deal with one that is.

 

[brianspencer66]

I was away for 5 days and I think Kiss hit the nail on the head. Time and time again I see black members here pointing out things and when someone else says the same thing Im reading what a great point they made. Sure we are more emotional about this issue if we are black. Does that make our own statistics less valid because we tend to rant of our own pain? Does one perfer to listen to a man talk about female issues from a male because he is perhaps less emotional? What utter nonsense!!!! I see things I said in here early in this post said by a white person later and they are told what a great point yet mine are passed over like im a raving emotional person. Hey race is an emotional issue Im sorry and Im not saying whites dont make valid points too but lets not have a double standard here and roll our eyes when its a person of color making a point of view of somthing they live thru everyday. Statistics are good but they are only concreate reminders and perhaps ones true life experience may be more valid. Other wise most of you do seem to be on the right page and id does me proud to be here.

 

[kis123]

I was away for 5 days and I think Kiss hit the nail on the head. Time and time again I see black members here pointing out things and when someone else says the same thing Im reading what a great point they made. Sure we are more emotional about this issue if we are black. Does that make our own statistics less valid because we tend to rant of our own pain? Does one perfer to listen to a man talk about female issues from a male because he is perhaps less emotional? What utter nonsense!!!! I see things I said in here early in this post said by a white person later and they are told what a great point yet mine are passed over like im a raving emotional person. Hey race is an emotional issue Im sorry and Im not saying whites dont make valid points too but lets not have a double standard here and roll our eyes when its a person of color making a point of view of somthing they live thru everyday. Statistics are good but they are only concreate reminders and perhaps ones true life experience may be more valid. Other wise most of you do seem to be on the right page and id does me proud to be here.

Thank you.

I never said all cops were racist and I never will. I just don't want to have to find out which one is. And I hope my son never comes in contact with another one ever again.

You can't argue with real life experience; it blows statistics out of the water and makes it very real to the person suffering intolerance. It's too bad anyone has to experience it at all in this day and age.

 

[jugner]

The color of my skin doesn't afford me to like them very much. When they do away with racial profiling, I'll do away with my generally negative opinion about them.

I know all cops aren't racist, but I shouldn't have to figure out which ones are which.

I understand the point, but what proffession would that not include? That line of thinking wouldn't allow you to not be wary of anyone.

 

[Stugots]

Thanks for reminding me why I put you on ignore.....

If I was on ignore you would be ignoring me, not teasing about ignoring me you racist. So, stop fronting!! Once you can admit you're a racist things will get better for you here and in your life if you have one outside of here.

Slavery ended a long long long time ago, black folks.... MOVE THE FUCK ON!! You're victims of racism who are turning into racists and that's no good. Stop all this hatin.

 

[kis123]

I understand the point, but what proffession would that not include? That line of thinking wouldn't allow you to not be wary of anyone.

Well, since you asked........

That line of thinking works for me across the board; I'll take a person at face value until they prove otherwise. When it comes to cops, unfortunately I assume the worst until they show me otherwise. I've taught my children to be pleasant, polite and respectful towards the police if ever stopped and I hope that's enough to protect them from potential harrassment or abuse.

I'll repeat myself; I know all police aren't racist, power-hungry, or crooked. I just don't like trying to figure out which one is.

 

[Capnmad]

I work with troubled youth. My family was afraid that doing so would turn me off to having kids sometime. I’ve always gotten along with children and elders especially well, but after the first few months of dealing with violent, confrontational, threatening and manipulative adolescents, they were right, and I was feeling burnt out.

I’m thankful, however, that I quickly developed nuance in my assessments. Maybe this is unusual, but my interactions with difficult clients only heightened my appreciation for well-behaved children, and underscored to me the severity of circumstance that must have damaged the kids I work with, which led to my having more sympathy toward them, and more patience with them. These feelings have generalized to my assessments of pretty much everyone.

I also work off and on with the police, as my clients have had frequent run-ins with the law, and the vast majority of my coworkers are people of color. I’ve dealt with good and bad staff of all colors, and a variety of police.

There are many broken people out there. There are many who make poor decisions. There are many who allow themselves to be driven by selfish needs, and so, hurt others in the process. People are this way or do these things independent of color or occupation, and so, it doesn’t serve us to hold prejudices against either a culture defined by race or a culture defined by profession.

Still, I understand why these biases emerge. Personal history determines much.



With the interjections of other people aside, this thread has been mostly a dialogue between Viper and kis123. The irony -- and one I hope they find so abhorrent that they both reconsider their views -- is that they are different sides of the same coin.

Viper tried to defend what is, at best, the very controversial and admittedly unbalanced police tactic of racial profiling (and in my opinion, a racist, and unconstitutional infringement on people’s rights) by citing statistics and supporting the notion that prejudice is justified.

Kis123 has said repeatedly that she doesn’t like “trying to figure out which (cops are racist and which aren’t).” So, she assumes the worst until disproven -- and pre-emptively lumps them together until further inspection.

Unfortunately, that mentality could as easily be used to support racial profiling, in that the cops won’t like “trying to figure out which (colored people are criminals and which aren’t)” -- so they assume the worst until disproven -- and just pull all of them over to have a look.

Near as I can tell, both espouse, defend and cling to their own prejudices, but of the two, Viper’ll receive the most flack because the form of prejudice he seems to be defending is less acceptable in today’s mainstream than the cop-hating variety.



When a conversation passes a certain emotional threshold, civil discussion is no longer possible, reason and facts are disregarded, and people insult, shout, and condemn in whatever way feels best. I see it all the time. At work it’s usually accompanied with fists.

Here, generally, it feels much better to slam the white guy (the traditionally more privileged race) when he espouses prejudice than it is to slam the black woman (a traditionally less privileged race and gender) when she espouses prejudice, especially as her race, gender and related experience suggest she might be more justified in holding such views.

I'm not interested in slamming either of you. I think at heart you both mean well despite your frustration with each other, and your honesty here is appreciated, regardless whether or not others agree with your views.

I don’t really know either of you, and so, will assume you both have your reasons for feeling as you do. Life does things to people, regardless of race, and damages their perceptions of others. I’m sorry that it has. It’s a shame, but that’s the way it is.

However, assuming that kis123 is more justified in her prejudice than Viper when I don’t know the full breadth of experiences of either, would be judging unfairly on the basis of race -- a sort of race discrimination that (in this circumstance, at least) benefits kis by lending her greater sympathy. That’s not how I evaluate things.



Succinctly, justifications and histories aside, I think both of you have stuff to deal with.

People are individuals. Honor yourself, your own individuality, and your own desires to be assessed as a unique person, by actively trying to avoid prejudice yourself.

I hope you both learn to use your negative experiences not to justify or nurse your prejudices, but instead, to accept them as a necessary part of the wider human experience, and use them as a basis of comparison so you might better recognize, appreciate, and even encourage the positive through simple kindness and better interactions with people.

I hope you can both embrace ration over argument and acrimony.

And I also hope that those wounds you have opened with your statements are healed, and healed soon.

All the best.

 

[Fire_Sprite]

*ahem*




WHAT HE SAID.

 

[brianspencer66]

If I was on ignore you would be ignoring me, not teasing about ignoring me you racist. So, stop fronting!! Once you can admit you're a racist things will get better for you here and in your life if you have one outside of here.

Slavery ended a long long long time ago, black folks.... MOVE THE FUCK ON!! You're victims of racism who are turning into racists and that's no good. Stop all this hatin.

You know what Stugots Im not so sure what transpired between the 2 of you but Im deeply offended by your behavior here. And I would like to politely ask you to talk to people and of people here with due respect. And leave your anger and personal feelings off these boards. I trust that you are smart enough and adult enough to do so. Thanks

 

[brianspencer66]

I understand the point, but what proffession would that not include? That line of thinking wouldn't allow you to not be wary of anyone.

And yes Jungler we are weary across the board. But a cop can kill you that makes a huge diffrence. I live in a black community and every 13 year old male kid here knows they need to be careful around police. And I belive most do their jobs just as most accountants or lawyers most likely do a good job. But history bears out the undisputable fact that black youth are shot and killed by cops to many times for the comfort zone.

 

[kis123]

You know what Stugots Im not so sure what transpired between the 2 of you but Im deeply offended by your behavior here. And I would like to politely ask you to talk to people and of people here with due respect. And leave your anger and personal feelings off these boards. I trust that you are smart enough and adult enough to do so. Thanks

You're wasting words on this one brian!

He's had a hard-on for me since I checked him in another thread several months ago. Since then he makes it a campaign to follow me from thread to thread to force me to talk to him. When that didn't work, he started sending me PM's. In the four + years I've been on the TMF, he's the first (and only) person I've ever put on ignore.

That's why he's calling me a racist. I'm actually surprised he can spell it much less know what it means. I wouldn't even know what he was talking about because I've had him on ignore until I accidentally removed him. Don't worry, he's back on ignore and will remain there until I die because I don't have time for losers.

Please don't quote him again and if I were you, don't even address him. He's no more than an attention seeking crap starter IMO and intelligent dialogue is beyond him. Spend your time and words on something more meaningful-punt on this one, trust me!!

 

[kis123]

There are many broken people out there. There are many who make poor decisions. There are many who allow themselves to be driven by selfish needs, and so, hurt others in the process. People are this way or do these things independent of color or occupation, and so, it doesn’t serve us to hold prejudices against either a culture defined by race or a culture defined by profession.

Still, I understand why these biases emerge. Personal history determines much.



With the interjections of other people aside, this thread has been mostly a dialogue between Viper and kis123. The irony -- and one I hope they find so abhorrent that they both reconsider their views -- is that they are different sides of the same coin.

Viper tried to defend what is, at best, the very controversial and admittedly unbalanced police tactic of racial profiling (and in my opinion, a racist, and unconstitutional infringement on people’s rights) by citing statistics and supporting the notion that prejudice is justified.

Kis123 has said repeatedly that she doesn’t like “trying to figure out which (cops are racist and which aren’t).” So, she assumes the worst until disproven -- and pre-emptively lumps them together until further inspection.

Unfortunately, that mentality could as easily be used to support racial profiling, in that the cops won’t like “trying to figure out which (colored people are criminals and which aren’t)” -- so they assume the worst until disproven -- and just pull all of them over to have a look.

Near as I can tell, both espouse, defend and cling to their own prejudices, but of the two, Viper’ll receive the most flack because the form of prejudice he seems to be defending is less acceptable in today’s mainstream than the cop-hating variety.



When a conversation passes a certain emotional threshold, civil discussion is no longer possible, reason and facts are disregarded, and people insult, shout, and condemn in whatever way feels best. I see it all the time. At work it’s usually accompanied with fists.

Here, generally, it feels much better to slam the white guy (the traditionally more privileged race) when he espouses prejudice than it is to slam the black woman (a traditionally less privileged race and gender) when she espouses prejudice, especially as her race, gender and related experience suggest she might be more justified in holding such views.

I'm not interested in slamming either of you. I think at heart you both mean well despite your frustration with each other, and your honesty here is appreciated, regardless whether or not others agree with your views.

I don’t really know either of you, and so, will assume you both have your reasons for feeling as you do. Life does things to people, regardless of race, and damages their perceptions of others. I’m sorry that it has. It’s a shame, but that’s the way it is.

However, assuming that kis123 is more justified in her prejudice than Viper when I don’t know the full breadth of experiences of either, would be judging unfairly on the basis of race -- a sort of race discrimination that (in this circumstance, at least) benefits kis by lending her greater sympathy. That’s not how I evaluate things.



Succinctly, justifications and histories aside, I think both of you have stuff to deal with.

People are individuals. Honor yourself, your own individuality, and your own desires to be assessed as a unique person, by actively trying to avoid prejudice yourself.

I hope you both learn to use your negative experiences not to justify or nurse your prejudices, but instead, to accept them as a necessary part of the wider human experience, and use them as a basis of comparison so you might better recognize, appreciate, and even encourage the positive through simple kindness and better interactions with people.

I hope you can both embrace ration over argument and acrimony.

And I also hope that those wounds you have opened with your statements are healed, and healed soon.

All the best.

With all due respect:

I have NO issues to deal with. Unlike Mr Viper, my POV is based on PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not statistics or so-called facts. I was threatened with arrest because I wanted the badge number of the cop who hit my Autistic son in the head. My son needed restraint, not a beat down! Now explain that away with statistics!

I don't care if anyone got hurt with what I said because I'm more than justified in my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE to be extremely wary of police officers, especially if they're white. The altercation with my son is not the only bad experience I've had with them.

Since there are more black people than white racist cops, the racial profiling hurts more blacks than it does white racist cops. They're the ones with the power to detain, search, arrest, and shoot you. Black people do not have that power do they? I have every right to protect myself from even having to deal with them, but racial profiling gives them the right to take my freedom away over nothing. You see a black man in a predominately white neighborhoodl, something just has to be wrong with him. He could be a doctor, lawyer, or any respected professional. But to the cops (and many other whites) he's trouble. That doesn't happen to any other race of people to the extent it happens to black people. There is no need for statistical data to back that up. Black people from all walks of life can back this up for you.

And we're not two sides of the same coin; I have the experience and he has his stats. How balanced is that? Once again, this is based on opinion and not EXPERIENCE. If you were familiar with the experience, you wouldn't have made that particular statement.

And I'm not nursing my prejudicies, I'm pointing out that racism still and probably always will exist. I call it when I see it and will do it every chance I get. Many people don't even realize their racial stereotypes and profiling until they're pointed out in the open for them and others to see. And I'm sure by now, Viper's are very much out in the open. The only thing he was embarrassed about was that Bella got offended. He hasn't apologized for anything he said to me including threatening to punch me in the face. He has no regrets for what he said and neither do I. If he's stupid enough to do it again, I will be ready to take him on again. He might scare his women, but he doesn't scare me in the least.

And I'm not wounded but I'm certain I wounded some if not many that read this thread. I'm not going to apologize for that because I did nothing wrong. But when some 20-something wants to play know-it-all with me, I have no problem taking him on. When said 20-something starts the insults, mud-slinging, and name calling since he could no longer handle what I was bringing to the table, well, I did reduce myself to a level he could understand for a few posts. What can I tell you? I'm human and I'm flawed and got in his sandbox for awhile. My bad!

I'm not beating up on you even though I'm coming on pretty strong. I just have to let you know that this is by no means an apples-for-apples comparison by any means.

 

[naveltkltr1350]

as a fellow law enforcement officer with my local county sheriff, i must say we have a stressful job. Yes, we put ourselves in this position and I am not complaining. We may come off like we are assholes sometimes bc of the people we encounter daily. Not everyone treats us awful. Its not a certain race. Ive dealt with many of whites, blacks and hispanics, even asians. Ive had problems with each and every race as well as ive had cooperation with each race. There are some cops who do, act like they are the shit. I will admit that. I do not agree with them, but i will still have to take their back when situations go wrong. Ive only had 6 months experience and yet its been a hell of an experience for me in life. Just because we are law officers doesnt mean we arent human. We need to be treated with respect and not always harassed. Its nice when someone walks up to me, shakes my hand and tells me thank you for all that you do. I apologize for the way my fellow brothers and sisters my act, outside of their duties as an officer. Rule number one on courtesy for us, is be nice till its time not to be nice, but we always try to stay a stage lower than what the other person is doing. If they become violent, then yes, we have to. If they start yelling, we need to talk to them, not yell. We dont just bust people for no reason. We have reasons. A lot of busts we made came from excessive speeding, which in returned caused for a search because the driver has acted very suspicious. Its ended up taking a lot of drugs off the street keeping the neighborhoods and children safe. i dont have any kids, im only 23, but i know each time we take a guy off the street for crack or rape, we are cleaning up the area so its safer for the children to grow up in. I appreciate all that support us and those who dont, well no hard feelings, we come from a great country that allows us to have freedom of speech and its ur opinion. Thank you all for this fine thread. Sadly law is the biggest place for a race card to be thrown out into the open, lets try to keep that under control here tho folks. ~Ofc J H 454~

 

[Fire_Sprite]

With all due respect:

I have NO issues to deal with. Unlike Mr Viper, my POV is based on PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not statistics or so-called facts. I was threatened with arrest because I wanted the badge number of the cop who hit my Autistic son in the head. My son needed restraint, not a beat down! Now explain that away with statistics!

So basically, personal prejudice is justifiable if you have a bad experience to base it on? Out if curiosity if I was robbed by a black guy a few times would it be acceptable for me to hate black people for the rest of my life? Viper's already stated he grew up in a neighborhood of minorities which is why he "watches" them more than whites. The statistics conform to his view so he brought them out to support his argument, that doesn't mean he's prejudice because of them.

I'm not condoning anyone's viewpoint here. But saying "I shouldn't have to decide which cops are good or bad" is the same as saying "I shouldn't have to decide which blacks are honest or liars," regardless of what it's based on.

 

[kis123]

So basically, personal prejudice is justifiable if you have a bad experience to base it on? Out if curiosity if I was robbed by a black guy a few times would it be acceptable for me to hate black people for the rest of my life? Viper's already stated he grew up in a neighborhood of minorities which is why he "watches" them more than whites. The statistics conform to his view so he brought them out to support his argument, that doesn't mean he's prejudice because of them.

I'm not condoning anyone's viewpoint here. But saying "I shouldn't have to decide which cops are good or bad" is the same as saying "I shouldn't have to decide which blacks are honest or liars," regardless of what it's based on.

When you get harrassed by a racist white cop, let me know how it made you feel. When you get harrassed by white cops because you have a white man in your car, let me know what that leaves behind for you. When said racist white cops beat your black son and threaten to jail you for reporting them let me know what your stance is.

When these incidents happen to you repeatedly (not just once), they wear you out. Your heart hardens and your skin toughens; that's just human nature and nothing can be really done about it.

You don't have to like my approach; it's a free country and you can have any opinion about me that you like. This works for me and I will continue to use it to protect me and my family from harrassment. I would love to lower my guard, but I don't have the luxury of doing so as long as racial profiling exists. It should take more than race to profile a criminal, but in this country that isn't so.

 

[ViperGTS]

I planned on staying out of this thread, but I can't believe kis is still going on about some of this stuff.

Unlike Mr Viper, my POV is based on PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not statistics or so-called facts.

My opinions are based on personal experience and the things I learned growing up and observing the things that went on around me.

Must have missed that part.

I don't care if anyone got hurt with what I said because I'm more than justified in my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE to be extremely wary of police officers, especially if they're white.

Ohhh okay, I get it, you're using a double standard. It's OKAY for you to be a racist since you had a bad experience? Or is it okay because your personal experience is somehow more valid than mine or anyone else's?

And I'm not nursing my prejudicies, I'm pointing out that racism still and probably always will exist.

Yes, you're a perfect example just as much as anyone else, wether you'll admit it or not.

The only thing (Viper) was embarrassed about was that Bella got offended. He hasn't apologized for anything he said to me including threatening to punch me in the face. He has no regrets for what he said and neither do I.

Wrong again.

I'm sorry that some of you took what I said to be indicative of me being racist.

I don't apologize for what I said, I apologize for the way I said it.

Furthermore:

My fist doesn't discriminate based on the color of your skin and anyone who calls me racist gets their lights punched out, period.

This was not aimed at anyone in particular, despite the way it seems to have been taken. That's the difference between the words "you" and "anyone."

When said 20-something starts the insults, mud-slinging, and name calling since he could no longer handle what I was bringing to the table, well, I did reduce myself to a level he could understand for a few posts.

I went over the thread closely. The first insults weren't even from you or I, they were from ticklisgiggle. Between you and I, you, my dear, were the first to start with insults, mud-slinging, and name calling. See?

"immature, childish, ignorant, and incapable to decipher intelligent thought." "you are a little man" "Silly, silly little boy"

I won't even go into the huge mass of insults on page three of this thread. Not once have I directly called you a name, slung 'mud' at you, or even said anything derogatory about you. I did call your mental health into question once, and for that I do apologize. Considering everything you've said about me, you shouldn't be patting yourself on the back for what you've "brought to the table."

I'm through with this thread. I made a promise that I would not post anything that isn't productive or kind, but kis, your latest posts are just plain ridiculous. You're expressing prejudice at police, and racism towards whites. You're just as racist as you accuse me of being, and it's NOT ok.

 

[kis123]

I planned on staying out of this thread, but I can't believe kis is still going on about some of this stuff.





Must have missed that part.



Ohhh okay, I get it, you're using a double standard. It's OKAY for you to be a racist since you had a bad experience? Or is it okay because your personal experience is somehow more valid than mine or anyone else's?



Yes, you're a perfect example just as much as anyone else, wether you'll admit it or not.



Wrong again.



I don't apologize for what I said, I apologize for the way I said it.

Furthermore:



This was not aimed at anyone in particular, despite the way it seems to have been taken. That's the difference between the words "you" and "anyone."



I went over the thread closely. The first insults weren't even from you or I, they were from ticklisgiggle. Between you and I, you, my dear, were the first to start with insults, mud-slinging, and name calling. See?

I won't even go into the huge mass of insults on page three of this thread. Not once have I directly called you a name, slung 'mud' at you, or even said anything derogatory about you. I did call your mental health into question once, and for that I do apologize. Considering everything you've said about me, you shouldn't be patting yourself on the back for what you've "brought to the table."

I'm through with this thread. I made a promise that I would not post anything that isn't productive or kind, but kis, your latest posts are just plain ridiculous. You're expressing prejudice at police, and racism towards whites. You're just as racist as you accuse me of being, and it's NOT ok.

You need to just let it go; you've humiliated yourself as it is. Don't pour salt in your own wounds. Remember the "black panther' taunt? Remember your logical path of how blacks just don't like being punished. You convenienty forget all the mud slung through your temper tantrums, but I and many others haven't forgotten! You're damn straight that I have no regrets over ANYTHING I said to you! You deserved everything you got and honestly speaking, I used great restraint. I couldn't put into print everything I was thinking. I do have a level of self-respect you seem to lack.

You can call me a racist all you want; you'd be wrong because I know very much who I am. But I'll call racist stereotypical behavior whenever I see it. I very much saw it with you. You also disrespect women and try to hide it by proclaiming to be dom. Doms everywhere should cringe at the knowledge that you attempt to identify with them. You're basically no more than a schoolyard bully and I know exactly how to deal with those. Don't get your boxers in a knot because you brought it on yourself.

From this point on, do yourself a favor and move on. You're not going to dump your mess on me in order to get the heat off you. I do not apologize for one word I said to you or anyone else and don't see a reason to. It's like television; if you don't like the channel, pick up your remote. If someone doesn't like my opinion, they can move on to the next thread if I'm so offensive to them. I've done it many times before, much of what I ignore happens to be your opinions. After three years of your posting style, enough is enough for me.

None of this woud've ever happened if you weren't so crass and disrespectful. You got what you asked for plain and simple. Now as you said previously, "get over it!" You never should've threatened me in the first place; that's where everything unhinged and there was no turning back. There isn't any place to go from here Viper, just drop it and move on with your life and I'll do the same.

Funny, everytime I get into one of these racial tifts, it's always with a white man. He's on the top of the racial/soical pecking order and that's still not enough for some. I don't hate white people, I hate white racists! Unlike you, I know the difference between the two.

 

[PainTrain]

There is a double standard with minorities in this life, and there always will be, because they have a chip on their shoulder the size of an all you can eat buffet.

That includes BLACKS, WHITES, HISPANICS, GAYS and all the rest.


Get over yourselves