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LuckyAndre
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Start by writing me a check for $10,000. Then I will show you ALL the tricks of the trade and Ill guarantee you, that you will be tickling girls within the first 3 days! If your really good, the first TWO days! (The first day is all classroom hours and no touching yourself during the video training classes!)
You have to ask yourself...do you want the end result to be TICKLING...or spending time finding HOT girls to find out IF they are ticklish? Some people feel that the girl has to be HOT HOT to get the appeal of the audience. IMO, if the girl is TICKLISH...I WANT HER RIGHT AWAY. Once you go thru the rigors of finding the HOT girl, ticklish girl, ANY girl..then you have to set up scheduling, her time and yours, location (if your still in Mom's basement, you will have to explain the sounds coming from down there), equipment, straps, bondage material, tools to use, a good camera, tripod (for one on one tickling scenes).
Then you have to be ready to accept: The Disappointment Stage!
1: You got the girl, you get her all tied up and ready to go...then she has to Pee.
2: You test tickled the girl without bondage, she conviced you. You get her all tied up...she is not as ticklish once she tied up.
3:The climatic scene where she is wailing and laughing from your tickling and a hand or leg slips out of bondage, swings and knocks over your camera, or lighting, or your mom's china cabinet and you have to explain that.
4: You begin your tickling assault at 9:00 a.m., she is laughing up a storm. You give her a break, and then she asks, "How much more do we have to do?" And that is asked at 9:01 a.m.
5: Your wife/girlfriend comes back because she "Forgot her morning coffee on the counter on her way to work". Honey? Who is THAT???
6: You told the girl no nudity involved. She agrees. You tickle under her armpits. She's so ticklish there, a titty flops out! CUT!
7: "Hahahah no no stop..wait..ow ow OWWWW no that hurts..ITS HURTING..oww oww..CUT!
8: You dont want to be identified in your videos...Tickler In Black, been done. Tickler In White, been done. Local Halloween store is out of Scream and Jason Masks.
9: You decide to shoot in your garage. Shoot goes well. When everyone is leaving, you open the garage and the local police, local TV news, and the old lady from next door is standing with arms folded, with the "What the Hell is going on?" look.
Also remember, that just because you SHOT an hour of video according to the numbers on your camera DOES NOT mean you have an hour of tickling video ecstacy for print. You have to do edits. And Ive shot video that took like 3 hours to do (time goes by quickly) and when edited down, I have like 37minutes of quality stuff...not good if your offering "Full One Hour Non Stop, Non Consentual, Real Ticklish, Very Ticklish Girls Videos"
Make sure you have a monitor on to see the action. (especially if doing one on one shoots.) Nothing worse than doing all that tickling and recording, to watch the results, and the camera some how dipped and all you see is her shoulder shaking and moving from the hogtie scene....RESHOOT*!
*BTW you can FORGET reshooting that same scene again within THAT day, cause what girl is going to go thru that AGAIN for you to get the same results??
I could go on and on. Other producers can add to the thread with their disappointments...thanks for reading..
You have to ask yourself...do you want the end result to be TICKLING...or spending time finding HOT girls to find out IF they are ticklish? Some people feel that the girl has to be HOT HOT to get the appeal of the audience. IMO, if the girl is TICKLISH...I WANT HER RIGHT AWAY. Once you go thru the rigors of finding the HOT girl, ticklish girl, ANY girl..then you have to set up scheduling, her time and yours, location (if your still in Mom's basement, you will have to explain the sounds coming from down there), equipment, straps, bondage material, tools to use, a good camera, tripod (for one on one tickling scenes).
Then you have to be ready to accept: The Disappointment Stage!
1: You got the girl, you get her all tied up and ready to go...then she has to Pee.
2: You test tickled the girl without bondage, she conviced you. You get her all tied up...she is not as ticklish once she tied up.
3:The climatic scene where she is wailing and laughing from your tickling and a hand or leg slips out of bondage, swings and knocks over your camera, or lighting, or your mom's china cabinet and you have to explain that.
4: You begin your tickling assault at 9:00 a.m., she is laughing up a storm. You give her a break, and then she asks, "How much more do we have to do?" And that is asked at 9:01 a.m.
5: Your wife/girlfriend comes back because she "Forgot her morning coffee on the counter on her way to work". Honey? Who is THAT???
6: You told the girl no nudity involved. She agrees. You tickle under her armpits. She's so ticklish there, a titty flops out! CUT!
7: "Hahahah no no stop..wait..ow ow OWWWW no that hurts..ITS HURTING..oww oww..CUT!
8: You dont want to be identified in your videos...Tickler In Black, been done. Tickler In White, been done. Local Halloween store is out of Scream and Jason Masks.
9: You decide to shoot in your garage. Shoot goes well. When everyone is leaving, you open the garage and the local police, local TV news, and the old lady from next door is standing with arms folded, with the "What the Hell is going on?" look.
Also remember, that just because you SHOT an hour of video according to the numbers on your camera DOES NOT mean you have an hour of tickling video ecstacy for print. You have to do edits. And Ive shot video that took like 3 hours to do (time goes by quickly) and when edited down, I have like 37minutes of quality stuff...not good if your offering "Full One Hour Non Stop, Non Consentual, Real Ticklish, Very Ticklish Girls Videos"
Make sure you have a monitor on to see the action. (especially if doing one on one shoots.) Nothing worse than doing all that tickling and recording, to watch the results, and the camera some how dipped and all you see is her shoulder shaking and moving from the hogtie scene....RESHOOT*!
*BTW you can FORGET reshooting that same scene again within THAT day, cause what girl is going to go thru that AGAIN for you to get the same results??
I could go on and on. Other producers can add to the thread with their disappointments...thanks for reading..
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Lol
As much as I love filming, Andre hit it on the head for a lot of shoots
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(Andre, since when do you start on a girl at 9:00 and give her a break at 9:01?
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As for getting into the business, assuming you mean videos, it's a matter of obtaining a good camera and a cute ticklish 'lee, learn how to upoad and edit your work, and go from there. It's as simple or as complex as you choose to make it, and frankly the simpler, the better IME 🙂
As much as I love filming, Andre hit it on the head for a lot of shoots
.(Andre, since when do you start on a girl at 9:00 and give her a break at 9:01?
)As for getting into the business, assuming you mean videos, it's a matter of obtaining a good camera and a cute ticklish 'lee, learn how to upoad and edit your work, and go from there. It's as simple or as complex as you choose to make it, and frankly the simpler, the better IME 🙂
Let's not forget all the "No show. No call." models. Lots of time wasted there.
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Write me a cheque for £100,000 and I'll get you in tomorrow--guarenteed
The Last Laugh
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Hehehe, very good list on typical annoyances, Andre. It's especially funny because it's so true. I've personally experienced #2, 3, 4, 7 and 9, or variations on those themes. I find #4 to be particularly frustrating. It sure doesn't bode well for the success of the shoot.
One of my main problems is a variation of #2. I get a girl interested and she claims that she's hyper ticklish and that she's going to be an awesome model, guaranteed. What she doesn't realize is that tickling is a very psychological phenomenon that can vary a lot from day to day and depending on the circumstances, and just because she laughs when her boyfriend tickle attacks her by surprise for 10 seconds doesn't in any way mean that she'll be a decent ticklee during an actual tickling shoot. Many very promising candidates have turned out to be partial or total tickling duds. A variation of this might be that the model claims to be, say, especially ticklish on her feet. But during the shoot, she barely reacts at all to foot tickling, being more ticklish on her upper body.
Here's another one that doesn't concern the actual shoot, but the recruitment process (which has its own set of incredibly frustrating problems): You get in contact with an allegedly interested trio of friends. You explain the project to them and two out of three seem perfectly willing to give it a try. Some time passes while you're waiting for their final answer. They tell you that the third model wasn't really into it, and because of her they're all dropping out of the project, even though it's pretty obvious that if it hadn't been for that third model the other two would have been happy to do it. A case of one bad candidate dragging her friends down with her. That's one reason why I rarely get to work with trios. I also find that trios are harder to manage during a shoot, often leading to lower quality material.
The models are fairly ticklish, but their tickling skills are just too poor to get interesting results. They either don't get how to do the tickling, or they use annoying strategies, like constantly changing their target (never staying in one place for more than 5 seconds) or moving to another spot even though they were getting really good results in the spot where they only spent 10 seconds or so. Some simply don't understand that massaging with the fingerpads or tickling with their arms instead of their fingers aren't very effective techniques.
The tickler, not used to giving someone an intense tickling treatment, hesitates a lot, only tickling for a few moments at a time before pulling back, like she's scared of the ticklee's reactions. Or she wants to go easy on her friend (even though they both accepted the job and are being paid for it).
The tickler finds the situation and her friend's laughter so hilarious that she can't help but stop the tickling to laugh for 10 seconds or so, doing this several times in a row.
The tickler insists on spending a lot of time in areas that are nice little bonuses but otherwise aren't very important tickling targets for most ticklephiles, like the knees, the neck, the arms, etc.
You give the tickler a few instructions during a shoot, and she interrupts the tickling, staring at you, either not understanding what you want or just being too distracted by a few simple instructions to continue tickling at the same time.
A model is actually quite ticklish, but she barely has any verbal reactions, being limited to squirming or grunting, giving the impression that she's really not all that ticklish at all.
The ticklee's reactions are mostly high-pitched screams, which is not only irritating but also causes a lot of audio distortion because you don't have a $3,000 mike.
You shoot a video and for some reason you're convinced that you're getting some excellent material. But when you work on editing it, you realize that the tickling action was actually so-so, and you were too concentrated on one technical aspect or another to realize it. It's even worse when you realize that a few simple instructions could have made the shoot a lot better, but you just didn't see it at the time.
One of my main problems is a variation of #2. I get a girl interested and she claims that she's hyper ticklish and that she's going to be an awesome model, guaranteed. What she doesn't realize is that tickling is a very psychological phenomenon that can vary a lot from day to day and depending on the circumstances, and just because she laughs when her boyfriend tickle attacks her by surprise for 10 seconds doesn't in any way mean that she'll be a decent ticklee during an actual tickling shoot. Many very promising candidates have turned out to be partial or total tickling duds. A variation of this might be that the model claims to be, say, especially ticklish on her feet. But during the shoot, she barely reacts at all to foot tickling, being more ticklish on her upper body.
Here's another one that doesn't concern the actual shoot, but the recruitment process (which has its own set of incredibly frustrating problems): You get in contact with an allegedly interested trio of friends. You explain the project to them and two out of three seem perfectly willing to give it a try. Some time passes while you're waiting for their final answer. They tell you that the third model wasn't really into it, and because of her they're all dropping out of the project, even though it's pretty obvious that if it hadn't been for that third model the other two would have been happy to do it. A case of one bad candidate dragging her friends down with her. That's one reason why I rarely get to work with trios. I also find that trios are harder to manage during a shoot, often leading to lower quality material.
The models are fairly ticklish, but their tickling skills are just too poor to get interesting results. They either don't get how to do the tickling, or they use annoying strategies, like constantly changing their target (never staying in one place for more than 5 seconds) or moving to another spot even though they were getting really good results in the spot where they only spent 10 seconds or so. Some simply don't understand that massaging with the fingerpads or tickling with their arms instead of their fingers aren't very effective techniques.
The tickler, not used to giving someone an intense tickling treatment, hesitates a lot, only tickling for a few moments at a time before pulling back, like she's scared of the ticklee's reactions. Or she wants to go easy on her friend (even though they both accepted the job and are being paid for it).
The tickler finds the situation and her friend's laughter so hilarious that she can't help but stop the tickling to laugh for 10 seconds or so, doing this several times in a row.
The tickler insists on spending a lot of time in areas that are nice little bonuses but otherwise aren't very important tickling targets for most ticklephiles, like the knees, the neck, the arms, etc.
You give the tickler a few instructions during a shoot, and she interrupts the tickling, staring at you, either not understanding what you want or just being too distracted by a few simple instructions to continue tickling at the same time.
A model is actually quite ticklish, but she barely has any verbal reactions, being limited to squirming or grunting, giving the impression that she's really not all that ticklish at all.
The ticklee's reactions are mostly high-pitched screams, which is not only irritating but also causes a lot of audio distortion because you don't have a $3,000 mike.
You shoot a video and for some reason you're convinced that you're getting some excellent material. But when you work on editing it, you realize that the tickling action was actually so-so, and you were too concentrated on one technical aspect or another to realize it. It's even worse when you realize that a few simple instructions could have made the shoot a lot better, but you just didn't see it at the time.
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I don't know anything about this, I just want to say thank you to those of you who do it, I'm sure most of us don't think about all of this that goes into it very often, if at all, so thank you for your work.
The Last Laugh
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Thanks, that's much appreciated. Unfortunately, there are many people who decide to start their own businesses not realizing how much of a pain it can be. They think it's all fun and games, a dream come true. But it's not. It's a business, with all the problems and frustrations that come with a business, plus many that are specific to tickling video production.
The Last Laugh
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Indeed. The problem is, technological advancements like decent affordable camcorders, as well as marketing innovations such as Clips4Sale.com and the like, have made it a lot easier for people to start their own video stores. The tickling video market, which was never very big to begin with, has quickly become hopelessly over-saturated. I don't blame people for wanting to do it. I mean, they've as much right to do so as the producers who started a few years ago. But it doesn't change the fact that the harsh competition, which is much worse than it was a few years ago, makes it a lot tougher for most producers to survive. We have to work a lot harder to get the same results.
I'm afraid business won't pick up anytime soon. If anything, it will only get worse. The situation is simply out of control. Just look at how fast the thread rotation is on the video media forum. It's insane. That's why I wish people were more aware of the realities of running such a business before starting their own. If they can live with it, then fine. But I hate to think that there are many people who go to the trouble of producing and selling videos only to find out that it's not nearly as fun as they thought.
To tell the truth, I'm kind of guilty of it myself. I did a lot of research before starting The Last Laugh, but I still didn't fully realize how frustrating and discouraging it can be sometimes. If I knew back then what I know now, I doubt I would have started producing videos at all.
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Did She Mention Her Black Belt Boyfriend Has Anger Mgmt Issues?
C'mon Andre, It Can't Be That Easy!! Lol! Another Great Real World Thread That Answers The Ticklish Question" Can I Be A Tickle Mogul Like "sonicare" Goldwyn? Ana And Last Laugh Not Only Have Done It But Help Set The Standard For Tickle Vids. Note Well Their Advice And Also Look At The Sheer Volume Of Clips For Sale Videos You Would Compete Against. Of Course If You Can Get Lily Of Pv Out Of Retirement My Sincere Appologies!
C'mon Andre, It Can't Be That Easy!! Lol! Another Great Real World Thread That Answers The Ticklish Question" Can I Be A Tickle Mogul Like "sonicare" Goldwyn? Ana And Last Laugh Not Only Have Done It But Help Set The Standard For Tickle Vids. Note Well Their Advice And Also Look At The Sheer Volume Of Clips For Sale Videos You Would Compete Against. Of Course If You Can Get Lily Of Pv Out Of Retirement My Sincere Appologies!
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Heh, that's been a decent pet peeve of mine, as well. I try not to be too hard on the gals. Some get it, and some don't. The ones that do are worth their weight in gold.
I know there's definitely some scenes back in the day I start out and think "Ok, everyone wants F/F action, so I'll just point the camera, keep quiet, and stay off camera" But after a couple minutes all I see if gingerly poking and giggling with no instinct for the kill, I immediately shift gears into "OK, this is now going to be a MF/F gig for a bit"
As others noted above, it's a lot harder than it looks, but you can keep it relatively simple. My advise is to find, in no particular order:
1. Good camera
2. Good lights
3. Good CPA and/or attorney
4. Good female tickler
If you can find those things (you're not actually tickling #3 on camera, heh, but a good professional or two will point you in the right direction for things you absolutely have to have before you start business like legal protection in the business structure you've chosen, licensure in your state/local jurisdictions, dealing with tax issues, dealing with releases and 2257 issues), then that's a great foundation.
You'll of course need many other things to get the whole operation from idea to reality, but those are the basics.
Hah, I noticed that. I feel like an old geezer anytime I post a response starting with "back in my day..."
But wow, I think when I left TickleTown, there we were like 10 major producers. Now I think there's more producers than members on the site
Variety is the spice of life, no?
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There's a difference between a Producer and a guy with a camera and a few 'models'. The market is definitely saturated but I believe quality will always win out over quantity, those who know what they're doing will continue to thrive
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There's a difference between a Producer and a guy with a camera and a few 'models'. The market is definitely saturated but I believe quality will always win out over quantity, those who know what they're doing will continue to thrive
That's a very positive way of seeing things, and overall I agree with you. But things aren't all good. I like to think of myself as a producer, and not a "GWC". A minor one, admittedly, but an actual producer nonetheless. I've been in the business since 2002, and I think my material, while rather tame and on the amateur side, is of decent quality. And yet I'm struggling. The GWCs might not have a lot of success individually, but there are so many that it affects everyone's sales in a significant way. Well, at least it affects mine. I'll do what I can to hang on, and truth be told, things aren't that bad....yet. But the situation wouldn't have to get that much worse before I have to close shop.
Of course, a good deal of competition comes not from GWCs, but from fellow producers. But even though it does hurt sales (especially considering how amazingly productive some producers are), I really can't complain about that. We're talking about actual producers who do a great job and offer high-quality products. They work hard for their success, and they deserve it.
Anyway, I'm very sorry, but I can't help but be rather pessimistic about the situation. I know not everyone feels that way, and I admire the optimism. I just wish I shared the feeling.
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Yeah, I can help. Bring a girl, a set of stocks and as much cash as you can scrape together and meet me at a seedy motel. I'll give you the business alright!
Seriously though, good luck with your endeavor. I hope to be seeing your first work soon. A win-win situation. You make money, we get to see and maybe read about some interesting experiences. 😎
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Here's food for thought. Why does a tickling business have ot be making videos? Why not a tickling business where a person comes in and pays to tickle or be tickled? No sex oor anyting like that. Just out and out tickling. I know this has been talked about before but why doesn't someone try this? I am sure this is a way. we just got to use our imaginations.
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From a model's point of view, there's a difference between between posing for a video that's meant for customers that she'll never meet and doing a session specifically for the arousal of the person paying her for a private shoot. Granted, a regular video producer may very well be aroused when producing a video, but it's not quite the same thing. The private session is closer to prostitution, I'd say. So I can imagine that the average model is more likely to be intimidated by the option you're suggesting than by a regular commercial video shoot.
On the other, if a person does manage to find models willing to do private tickling sessions in exchange for money, then this person doesn't have to worry about unpleasant business issues and can fully enjoy the experience. If it happens between two consenting parties, I guess there's no problem.
I personally wouldn't be comfortable with that sort of arrangement, however, and I couldn't afford it anyway. So I can understand why there aren't many people who do it. Also, I don't see why people would advertise this kind of activity on the forums, since it doesn't qualify as a business. They might very well keep it private. Maybe there are people who do it but we just don't hear about them.
