WrestleMania reactions?

[maniactickler]

Ric Flair is the GREATEST WRESTLER OF ALL TIME!!!! As emotional as his last match was, why can`t they let him win ???!!!

Cause he wouldnt have gotten fired. he'd still be wrestling.

 

[Tomskee]

Ric Flair is the GREATEST WRESTLER OF ALL TIME!!!! As emotional as his last match was, why can`t they let him win ???!!!

I've been told by some indy wrestler friends of mine, that it's tradition that you leave the business the same way you broke in: on your back 1-2-3. It's usually to put over a young star, but Flair's legendary status only allowed him to job to another legend.

 

[SlaverTickler]

SlaverTckler, that sounded personal. Why all this fury on Flair?

Hey he sucks, he was over raited his entire life. All the things he ever did that really matter weren't done working for the WWE, in fact I would guess that the WWE never really wanted him that badly or they would have gotten him when they were raiding the talent of all the other promotions (like the NWA and AWA where Ric spent most of his careere). Add to that the fact that a bashed Funk, Foley, as well as Bret Hart (in cluding comments on the law suit Martha Hart had against the WWE when Owen died) in that fish wrap he likes to call a book (it was really a "Lets suck off McMahon'ography). and if he wasn't grabing his ankles for HHH he wouldn't have been in the WWE for the last couple of years of his career anyway.

If Flair had any real class he would have requested his last match be agains an up and commer that he could make into a star. It's not his legacy that allowed him to end it in a match with HBK, it was no dout his ego that forbade him going out putting over a furture star.

 

[tklr22]

If Flair had any real class he would have requested his last match be agains an up and commer that he could make into a star. It's not his legacy that allowed him to end it in a match with HBK, it was no dout his ego that forbade him going out putting over a furture star.

I definitely see your point but I'd like to argue for the other side of the spectrum on this. The danger of Flair losing his legacy to an up and comer is "What if that so-called future star doesn't actually end up becoming a future star?" For example, had this match taken place in the past few years and a guy like Brock Lesnar or Bobby Lashley was chosen to be the one who put Ric Flair down, how would it look if the guy who ended Ric Flair's career wasn't even around these days and therefore would never become a legend themselves? Shawn Michaels was a safe bet because he is ALREADY a legend and WWE won't have to worry about the "Next Big Thing" becoming the next one to leave.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Hey he sucks, he was over raited his entire life. All the things he ever did that really matter weren't done working for the WWE, in fact I would guess that the WWE never really wanted him that badly or they would have gotten him when they were raiding the talent of all the other promotions (like the NWA and AWA where Ric spent most of his careere). Add to that the fact that a bashed Funk, Foley, as well as Bret Hart (in cluding comments on the law suit Martha Hart had against the WWE when Owen died) in that fish wrap he likes to call a book (it was really a "Lets suck off McMahon'ography). and if he wasn't grabing his ankles for HHH he wouldn't have been in the WWE for the last couple of years of his career anyway.

If Flair had any real class he would have requested his last match be agains an up and commer that he could make into a star. It's not his legacy that allowed him to end it in a match with HBK, it was no dout his ego that forbade him going out putting over a furture star.

So because he's retiring he should've put over a "future star?" That's bullshit. This was WrestleMania and he needed to go out "on top." Which "future star" should he have gone against? His pairing with Shawn Michaels was a match made in heaven. Their real-life relationship added something to this match that wouldn't have been there with anyone else. The only other active wrestler I think could've made it just as special is Sting, who he openly stated he wanted to wrestle once more. You're so blinded by your hate of the McMahon's and anything associated with the WWE that you can't even be taken seriously. You come in here and bitch 24/7 about anything that people praise them for. Flair isn't getting all of this attention for nothing. He went out on top, just the way it should be.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

The whole handling of flair and this retirement still stings me as smug and spite from vince against WCW\interests built not by himself and i'll say why

A proper way to end flairs career wasnt wrestlemania. If anything, they should have held the ppv or had him retire in north carolina

The HOF induction was brutal, why was Hunter inducting him? If anyone, it shoulda been Arn anderson or Ole or other countless horsemen legends who also should be in but again, not created by vince so he doesnt care.
This match should have been main event or near main event, instead its an insult to have mayweather and the diva's garbage after it

http://www.wrestlezone.com/article.php?articleid=209111589

The reason Arn Anderson wasn't the one inducting Ric Flair into the WWE Hall of Fame on Saturday, its because Flair specifically requested that Triple H do it. During the ceremony, Flair did speak about his friendship to Arn, but that part of his speech didn't air on the USA Network portion of the show. The full Hall of Fame Ceremony will be on the WrestleMania XXIV DVD which will be a 3-DVD set.

 

[tickletoy3]

I had the honor of meeting Ric Flair once in person. I was with some friends and we were having something to eat. It was a casual 'by chance' meeting. He didn't have to say anything, nor did he even have to acknowledge we were even there.

Not only did he take time to say hello, he even took time to sign an autograph before wishing us a good time.

Again, he didn't have to do any of this. It wasn't a crowded gathering and there was no media or hidden agenda to impress anyone for self publicity.

He did it because that's the person he is, not a character a company created.

As many have said, Ric Flair is true class and will always be "The Man".

 

[Goodieluver]

Hey he sucks, he was over raited his entire life. All the things he ever did that really matter weren't done working for the WWE, in fact I would guess that the WWE never really wanted him that badly or they would have gotten him when they were raiding the talent of all the other promotions (like the NWA and AWA where Ric spent most of his careere). Add to that the fact that a bashed Funk, Foley, as well as Bret Hart (in cluding comments on the law suit Martha Hart had against the WWE when Owen died) in that fish wrap he likes to call a book (it was really a "Lets suck off McMahon'ography). and if he wasn't grabing his ankles for HHH he wouldn't have been in the WWE for the last couple of years of his career anyway.

If Flair had any real class he would have requested his last match be agains an up and commer that he could make into a star. It's not his legacy that allowed him to end it in a match with HBK, it was no dout his ego that forbade him going out putting over a furture star.

Uhhh, did u watch wwf in the early 90s? They got flair and he was a major player

 

[AphxA]

The Ric Flair dvd is actually a very good purchase. The ricky the dragon steamboat vs ric flair was one of his many great matches.

In terms of a reaction: ill be damned if wwe wants me to pay 60 bucks for a wwe ppv even if it is wrestlemania. Id rather watch clips of some of the matches on youtube.com.

I actually teared up abit watching monday night raw. Seeing all those wrestling great reminded me of a time when wrestling was exciting to watch. The time when i would make sure i tuned in to every ppv. The early morning power hours with dusty rhodes and jim ross.

 

[Redmage]

It's nice to rant about Flair jobbing out to "an up and comer" if he "had any class," but it's not realistic. I very much doubt that the fans would have bought it if they sold it that way. Once Vince put Flair in the "lose and you're out" situation, and they'd been building it up for four months, to have him lose to someone like, say, Kofi Kingston or even CM Punk would have been a major anticlimax. Playing off his well-known friendship with Sean Michaels or one of the other old hands was the only way to go.

 

[tickletoy3]

Does anyone else think you should be able to order PPV's by the match? I wasn't going to shell out $55 for the whole show, but I'd have parted with $20 to see Money in the Bank / Flair v. HBK and Undertaker v. Edge.

That's actually not a bad idea Storyteller. The only downfall is hardly anyone would pay to see the newbies, or mid-carders, so they would eventually be phased out of any ppvs. It would become another "you're either one of the bigdogs or you are nobody" kinda like what imploded with WCW. Just my two cents anyways.

 

[tickletoy3]

Hey Tomskee, Slavertickler is probably mad at Ric Flair because Ric might have done something to his precious Bret Hart. He's Canadien, so he's still bitter about Montreal 1997, with his "hero" getting "screwed" by Vince. Everyone else on the planet has moved on from Montreal 1997, but not certain Canadiens. Ric Flair has no idea who Slavertickler is, so it is not personal. Somehow, Bret Hart was screwed again....

Could be Prime, but I think he's mad because in a lot of ways, Ric Flair made Vince McMahon. How? Because Flair helped make the business.

He worked his tail off in the days when there was only one pay per view a year, wrestling on television one day a week (Saturday) and wrestling merchandise actually could be considered a collector's item because it rarely existed.

To me, Flair was the first true master of not only in-ring skills and actual wrestling ability, but mic skills as well. Tell me one real true wrestling fan, who at one point in their life did not imitate his patented "Whooooo! Whether you like it.. or you don't like it.. learn to love it because it's the best thing going today.. whooooo!"

If Ric Flair had not worked his butt off getting other wrestlers 'over' and even more importantly, getting the business 'over' in it's beginnings, Vince McMahon would not have the WWE today because hardly any wrestling promotion would even exist due to lack of interest. The small companies that might try would be nothing on the radar as compared to what it is today.

During the NWO's heyday, I always liked the quote from Arn Anderson as they were beginning a feud with the Four Horsemen..

Arn to the NWO: "We were the first gang. We were the original gang. Anything you can do, we've already done better."

To me that pretty much says it all.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Redmage: You want to talk about Flair and realistic. The king of the "Hurry up and through me of the top rope... wait let me position you hands right." As I understand it Flair and MVP had a win over each other in two previous event's, this could have been a rubber match, and if flar had been holding a title it could have made MVP beating twice the boast and lead to him then fueding with different guys who were loyal to Flair like Hunter or HBK.

Primetime: Yeah far be it for a Canadian to stay loyal to his hero's. Especialy when they aren't as cool as the red and yellow bastard who fucks his 19 year old daughters best friend. Woman Beater 3:16 say I just hit my wife! Oh I almost forgot, if McMahon is so great, and Flair respects him so much as a promoter, why didn't he have faith that a program with Bret could draw (His own words from his own book). "I had no intrest in working a program with Bret because I didn't think it would draw.".

TickleToy3: Flair didn't make wrestling, the fans made wrestling. They are also killing it the art of the in ring product by suporting clowns like John Cena and Batista. Ironic isn't it?

Goodieluver: The early 90's... oh you mean those two meaningless title runs he had. The first one where he won the title in the Royal Rumble (and I was a great rumble, maybe the best), probably because Vince didn't want him to beat Hogan, and then when he deffended the title at Mania he lost it to Savage. McMahon had so much faith in Flair back then that he would put Hart vs Micheals in the Main Even at that years surviore serries for the IC title. Yeah the early 90's were great for ol' Ric.

tklr22: Ric Flair's legacy... HHH's bitch, never working a Main Even with his best friend (and better at every thing then him) Arn Anderson, and 16 time (Wooo) rim job champion of the world.

Tickle-Fiend: Flair was an ass kissing wagon jumping jerk off his entire career, he deserves nothing for doing the same thing every night (with the exception of gimmick matchs) for 30 years. Bruno Samartino did more for the WWWF with his first 5 year title run then EVER did for anybody he ever worked for. WCW couldn't draw a strait with that guy as "The Man". As far as my bitching goes, you don't like what I have to say, then skip over my posts.

TickleToy3: I am glad you had a nice chance meating with Ric Flair.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Primetime: Yeah far be it for a Canadian to stay loyal to his hero's. Especialy when they aren't as cool as the red and yellow bastard who fucks his 19 year old daughters best friend. Woman Beater 3:16 say I just hit my wife! Oh I almost forgot, if McMahon is so great, and Flair respects him so much as a promoter, why didn't he have faith that a program with Bret could draw (His own words from his own book). "I had no intrest in working a program with Bret because I didn't think it would draw.".

TickleToy3: Flair didn't make wrestling, the fans made wrestling. They are also killing it the art of the in ring product by suporting clowns like John Cena and Batista. Ironic isn't it?

Goodieluver: The early 90's... oh you mean those two meaningless title runs he had. The first one where he won the title in the Royal Rumble (and I was a great rumble, maybe the best), probably because Vince didn't want him to beat Hogan, and then when he deffended the title at Mania he lost it to Savage. McMahon had so much faith in Flair back then that he would put Hart vs Micheals in the Main Even at that years surviore serries for the IC title. Yeah the early 90's were great for ol' Ric.

A. Bret wasn't a saint. He cheated on his wife, so you can throw that in there.
B. Cena's improved. He doesn't deserve all the hate he gets, but he deserves some of it. More of it should be directed at Batista.
C. Ric liked his run in the WWF in the early 90's.

 

[Redmage]

Redmage: You want to talk about Flair and realistic. The king of the "Hurry up and through me of the top rope... wait let me position you hands right." As I understand it Flair and MVP had a win over each other in two previous event's, this could have been a rubber match, and if flar had been holding a title it could have made MVP beating twice the boast and lead to him then fueding with different guys who were loyal to Flair like Hunter or HBK.

I'm sorry, but the "realism" of any kayfabe storyline that Flair or anyone else was involved with has nothing to do with the way the real world works. And in the real world Flair going down for some kid after four months of "lose and you're fired" matches just wouldn't have gotten over with the fans. You can gripe about Flair's alleged "lack of class" or wrestling skills until the cows come home, but those things just aren't relevant here. They wouldn't be relevant even if they were true.

 

[tickletoy3]

TickleToy3: Flair didn't make wrestling, the fans made wrestling. They are also killing it the art of the in ring product by suporting clowns like John Cena and Batista. Ironic isn't it?

I never said Flair made wrestling, I said he "helped" (keyword: helped) make the business. I agree with you 100% the fans make the business. But without what Flair (and numerous other wrestling legends) did in the 1970s there would be no fans today because the business would have never survived.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

I never said Flair made wrestling, I said he "helped" (keyword: helped) make the business. I agree with you 100% the fans make the business. But without what Flair (and numerous other wrestling legends) did in the 1970s there would be no fans today because the business would have never survived.

Vince deserves some of that credit too, but I know one person who won't give it to him.

 

[The Sean Man]

Uhhh, did u watch wwf in the early 90s? They got flair and he was a major player

I agree. No matter what anybody says, that was a MAJOR earth shaker in WWF history. The teasing promos with Bobby Heenan holding Ric's belt....Flair coming out to the announcer's table and slapping the headphones off Piper, which led to Piper accidentally nailing Vince with a chair....helping the Undertaker win the world title from Hogan....and the true capper: Flair coming out as the first participant in the Royal Rumble, and outlasting everyone, Hogan included, to win the WWF championship. Oh yeah...and driving Randy Savage insane by claiming that he had Elizabeth before Savage did.
That was one of the most exciting times in the WWF, if you ask me.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Tickle Fiend: A)I never said Bret was a saint, I read his book, but he never banged one of his daughters friends. B)Cena sucks, and theire are no two ways about it. If it wasn't for little kids and teenage girls he wouldn't even be champ. C)Ric liked his first run in WWE so much that he asked for an early release shortly after losing the title to Bret.

Red Mage: Your right Mage, after all why would wrestling fans care about the advancement of new talent, or actual skill.

TickleToy3: I am sorry for miss quoting you.

Tickle Fiend: I'll give Vince his due as a buiness man and a marketing wizard, but as a person he's shit, and the WWE fan base has about as much smarts about what should matter as a bag of rocks.

The Sean Man: I thought that the Austin/McMahon erra was suposed to be the best. Of course is it wasn't for the Hart Foundation vs The USA their never would have been an Austin/McMahon because it was the incredible skills of Hart and Austin (Ausitn was good in the ring I'll give him that) in that roll switcher at Mania that realy got Austin over. If Austin had worked matchs with Flair like he did with Bret (where he lost all but one) he never would have been a main eventer becuase Ric doesn't have the skill to keep a guy strong even when he beats them.

Maybe all of you can verify one thing for me. I didn't see all of the Flair speach, because I don't watch the product anymore (any of it, because the indastry needs to chainge). I heard Flair took some cheap shot at Bret with the best their is, was, ever will be stuff. If he did I could understand that, after all Bret was more of a man after his stroke had his stroke then Flair was at his peak. I also heard he took some cheap and seemingly needless shots at Lynda Carter, saying he slept with her, that she was a lousy lay, and that she's "Damaged Goods". Now Lynda isn't a wrestler, she's never even mentioned wrestling, so why mention her at all. Yep good ol' Ric Flair, he's an ass hole and a piece of shit, and he can't die soon enough. You know why his ex-wives were at the Hall of Fame, becuase he was holding their alomoney payments.

By the way
Fuck Vince, his family, his company and all it's punk ass fans.

 

[Redmage]

Red Mage: Your right Mage, after all why would wrestling fans care about the advancement of new talent, or actual skill.

You mean it sarcastically, of course, but in a sense you're right. The fans care about entertainment. How they get it is secondary. New talent and wrestling skill are among the ways, but so are storylines, involvement with specific characters, flash and dazzle, and various other factors.

You seem to live in a world where only the first two matter, but that is not the real world. In the real world, fans care about a lot of other things, and they also care about giving up too much of one in favor of another. In the case of Rick Flair, his fame and popularity were entertainment values in themselves, and having him job his last match to a n00b wouldn't have been a good trade-off for the vast majority of fans. Clearly you don't like that, but let's face it: other fans don't care what you like.

 

[SlaverTickler]

You mean it sarcastically, of course, but in a sense you're right. The fans care about entertainment. How they get it is secondary. New talent and wrestling skill are among the ways, but so are storylines, involvement with specific characters, flash and dazzle, and various other factors.

You seem to live in a world where only the first two matter, but that is not the real world. In the real world, fans care about a lot of other things, and they also care about giving up too much of one in favor of another. In the case of Rick Flair, his fame and popularity were entertainment values in themselves, and having him job his last match to a n00b wouldn't have been a good trade-off for the vast majority of fans. Clearly you don't like that, but let's face it: other fans don't care what you like.

Like Flair, Shawn won't be around forever, and eventualy Trips has got to go because of his leg. Then what? Where is the real in ring talent, where are the superstars who can get it done in the ring... oh yeah their at the bottom of tha card, with no chance of ever getting to the top. Only an idiot would see any value in putting Shawn in that match with Flair, but when you hear all the boos for Cena, and consider these clowns payed to see someone they really detest (as in "X-Pac heat") it should suprise me that they are idiots.

The best way to bring about chaige in the wrestling buiness if you aren't happy with things is to hit them where it matters most, the wallet. These morons complain all the time about how much they hate Cena, and they chant, "We Want Wrestling" or "You Suck" and "You Can't Wrestle" with out realizing that any reaction is a good reaction to Vince, the best thing to do if you are going to go to a show is don't react to what you don't like. If you don't like Cena because he lack it in the ring, don't react to the match, not him or his opponent. I've leaned one thing about guys like Vince McMahon, the only thing they care about more then money, is more money.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Red Mage: Your right Mage, after all why would wrestling fans care about the advancement of new talent, or actual skill.

Tickle Fiend: I'll give Vince his due as a buiness man and a marketing wizard, but as a person he's shit, and the WWE fan base has about as much smarts about what should matter as a bag of rocks.

Maybe all of you can verify one thing for me. I didn't see all of the Flair speach, because I don't watch the product anymore (any of it, because the indastry needs to chainge). I heard Flair took some cheap shot at Bret with the best their is, was, ever will be stuff. If he did I could understand that, after all Bret was more of a man after his stroke had his stroke then Flair was at his peak. I also heard he took some cheap and seemingly needless shots at Lynda Carter, saying he slept with her, that she was a lousy lay, and that she's "Damaged Goods". Now Lynda isn't a wrestler, she's never even mentioned wrestling, so why mention her at all. Yep good ol' Ric Flair, he's an ass hole and a piece of shit, and he can't die soon enough. You know why his ex-wives were at the Hall of Fame, becuase he was holding their alomoney payments.

By the way
Fuck Vince, his family, his company and all it's punk ass fans.

You act as if the only way for talent to get over is by beating established talent.

What exactly do WWE fans think?

I didn't hear all of Flair's speech, but I know that he didn't say any of the bullshit you're complaing about.

Fuck you too.

 

[SlaverTickler]

You act as if the only way for talent to get over is by beating established talent.

What exactly do WWE fans think?

I didn't hear all of Flair's speech, but I know that he didn't say any of the bullshit you're complaing about.

Fuck you too.

Isn't it? Normaly thats how it's done. Thats how Flair got over, by beating Harley Race. WWE fans don't think, thats the problem, they just blindly follow what ever comes out the tip of vinny-macs dick. If you didn't hear all of it, how do you know he didn't say any of it?

 

[primetime]

You know Slavertickler, you are really reminding me of one of those whiny Canadiens who constantly chant "You screwed Bret!" everytime Shawn Michaels, Earl Hebner, or Vince McMahon shows up in Canada. My goodness, that was over a decade ago and you are still harping on McMahon.

You know what? McMahon and the WWE fans do not really care about your hatred for McMahon. Most of the crap you spew is just pure blind loyalty to a guy who couldn't even hack it in WCW. Yes, Bret Hart was NOTHING in WCW. Oh, it's the managements fault for not elevating Bret to "legendary" status in WCW right? Just goes to show you that Vince McMahon helped Bret Hart become a legend and if it wasn't for McMahon, Bret Hart would have been stuck somewhere as a midcarder. Yet, you rip McMahon constantly. Did you rip McMahon during Bret Hart's peak in the early 90's? I highly doubt it. Stop whining like a little girl and get over it.

No one has ever said Hogan the man (Terry Bollea) is a saint. Hell he even said himself that it was hard being the Hogan character in his real life because so many people looked up to him. He is human. Why did he have sex with his daughter's friend? Who knows, who cares. The girl was an adult. Hogan's personal life is just that. His PERSONAL life. He will suffer any consequences that he has caused himself. But, his "Hulkamania" character is one of the greatest legends of all time. Yes, it is even bigger than Bret's legacy (except maybe Canada).

Now, you are hating on Ric Flair. Ric Flair will ALWAYS be better than Bret Hart. That's right, cry into your cereal. Ric Flair is a true legend in the ring. Now you're whining about him screwing Lynda Carter. Now, let me get this straight. You are blasting Tickle Fiend for not listening to all of Flair's speech, yet for some strange reason, you forgot that YOU didn't hear the speech either. What right do you have to blast Tickle Fiend? You hate WWE so much, you have no clue on what you're talking about.

Do us all a favor. Go home and read your Bret Hart book, gaze over his posters and watch minor league wrestling (aka TNA) and stay out of WWE threads. You really don't add anything to them other than your typical, idiotic McMahon bashing. You have no real facts on McMahon, you're just going off Bret Hart. You call WWE fans idiots for following McMahon, yet you follow a person who comes off as just a whining little bitch.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

You know Slavertickler, you are really reminding me of one of those whiny Canadiens who constantly chant "You screwed Bret!" everytime Shawn Michaels, Earl Hebner, or Vince McMahon shows up in Canada. My goodness, that was over a decade ago and you are still harping on McMahon.

You know what? McMahon and the WWE fans do not really care about your hatred for McMahon. Most of the crap you spew is just pure blind loyalty to a guy who couldn't even hack it in WCW. Yes, Bret Hart was NOTHING in WCW. Oh, it's the managements fault for not elevating Bret to "legendary" status in WCW right? Just goes to show you that Vince McMahon helped Bret Hart become a legend and if it wasn't for McMahon, Bret Hart would have been stuck somewhere as a midcarder. Yet, you rip McMahon constantly. Did you rip McMahon during Bret Hart's peak in the early 90's? I highly doubt it. Stop whining like a little girl and get over it.

No one has ever said Hogan the man (Terry Bollea) is a saint. Hell he even said himself that it was hard being the Hogan character in his real life because so many people looked up to him. He is human. Why did he have sex with his daughter's friend? Who knows, who cares. The girl was an adult. Hogan's personal life is just that. His PERSONAL life. He will suffer any consequences that he has caused himself. But, his "Hulkamania" character is one of the greatest legends of all time. Yes, it is even bigger than Bret's legacy (except maybe Canada).

Now, you are hating on Ric Flair. Ric Flair will ALWAYS be better than Bret Hart. That's right, cry into your cereal. Ric Flair is a true legend in the ring. Now you're whining about him screwing Lynda Carter. Now, let me get this straight. You are blasting Tickle Fiend for not listening to all of Flair's speech, yet for some strange reason, you forgot that YOU didn't hear the speech either. What right do you have to blast Tickle Fiend? You hate WWE so much, you have no clue on what you're talking about.

Do us all a favor. Go home and read your Bret Hart book, gaze over his posters and watch minor league wrestling (aka TNA) and stay out of WWE threads. You really don't add anything to them other than your typical, idiotic McMahon bashing. You have no real facts on McMahon, you're just going off Bret Hart. You call WWE fans idiots for following McMahon, yet you follow a person who comes off as just a whining little bitch.

Flair is the greatest ever...49ers sux!