WrestleMania reactions?

[primetime]

Yes, Flair is a legend. No doubt about it.

However, the Cowboys really do suck...er, I mean they choke....hahahaha

 

[SlaverTickler]

You know Slavertickler, you are really reminding me of one of those whiny Canadiens who constantly chant "You screwed Bret!" everytime Shawn Michaels, Earl Hebner, or Vince McMahon shows up in Canada. My goodness, that was over a decade ago and you are still harping on McMahon.

And you wining remind me of those dumb ass Americans who said "It's not our problem" when the Axis powers were trying to take over Europe and Asia... until they had a bomb droped on thier back yard in 1941. I would imagine hearing "You Screwed Bret" chats would sting, the truth tends to do that. However this thread is about this past Mania, and I haven't brought up SS97 once.

You know what? McMahon and the WWE fans do not really care about your hatred for McMahon. Most of the crap you spew is just pure blind loyalty to a guy who couldn't even hack it in WCW. Yes, Bret Hart was NOTHING in WCW. Oh, it's the managements fault for not elevating Bret to "legendary" status in WCW right? Just goes to show you that Vince McMahon helped Bret Hart become a legend and if it wasn't for McMahon, Bret Hart would have been stuck somewhere as a midcarder. Yet, you rip McMahon constantly. Did you rip McMahon during Bret Hart's peak in the early 90's? I highly doubt it. Stop whining like a little girl and get over it.

Well I could care less about what McMahon and the WWE fans think of my opinion. Every time I see WWE posted in the title of a post I will shit, piss and moan all over them. I stick my Cyber finger down my cyber throat and puke my cyber guts all over it, because it is my right to do so. If you don't like what I post, then put me on you ignore list. Vince had to elivate Bret because of the roid scandal, when all his top dogs were busted, and Bret was all he could go to becuase Bret was over based on his in ring talent. Bret was internationaly known (Japan, Europe, South America before he went to the WWF, but I'll grant you McMahon made him bigger. And Bret was caught in the midle of things in WCW. You can't go anywhere if the bookers don't know how to book you. Just read Mic Folies book on the lousy job Flair did booking him.

No one has ever said Hogan the man (Terry Bollea) is a saint. Hell he even said himself that it was hard being the Hogan character in his real life because so many people looked up to him. He is human. Why did he have sex with his daughter's friend? Who knows, who cares. The girl was an adult. Hogan's personal life is just that. His PERSONAL life. He will suffer any consequences that he has caused himself. But, his "Hulkamania" character is one of the greatest legends of all time. Yes, it is even bigger than Bret's legacy (except maybe Canada).

"Who know, who cares" Wow, I feel sorry for every female off-sping you ever poduce, including the ones you make with their friends. I never said anything about being perfect, but cheating with you daughters friend is one of the lowest things you could do. He betrayed his wife, embarassed his daughter, and probably ruined a friendship all in one act.

Now, you are hating on Ric Flair. Ric Flair will ALWAYS be better than Bret Hart. That's right, cry into your cereal. Ric Flair is a true legend in the ring. Now you're whining about him screwing Lynda Carter. Now, let me get this straight. You are blasting Tickle Fiend for not listening to all of Flair's speech, yet for some strange reason, you forgot that YOU didn't hear the speech either. What right do you have to blast Tickle Fiend? You hate WWE so much, you have no clue on what you're talking about.

Bret always had great matchs, and in all those (24) years nobody who worked with him was ever injured or hurt in a way that prevented them from working the next night. Can Flair say that? When Bret worked with Steve Austin he beat him in ever match but 1 (a dq) yet he didn't barry him. Flair on the other hand wouldn't work with Austin when they were in WCW (niether would Hogan). I didn't blast him for screwing Lynda Carter (because I thing Lynda would go to girls before she'd go to space Mole Hill), I said the thing I heard he said were un called for. And I didn't blast Fiend for saying he didn't here all of Flair's speach, I blasted him for saying her knew Flair didn's say something even though he didn't hear all of the speach. I think you are so oxengin deprived from having you head up your ass you are miss reading things... even with my bad spelling.

Do us all a favor. Go home and read your Bret Hart book, gaze over his posters and watch minor league wrestling (aka TNA) and stay out of WWE threads. You really don't add anything to them other than your typical, idiotic McMahon bashing. You have no real facts on McMahon, you're just going off Bret Hart. You call WWE fans idiots for following McMahon, yet you follow a person who comes off as just a whining little bitch.

I'm not going anywhere (considering I am home when I'm on the forum where would I go). I drop a load on everyt WWE thread I see, everytime I see it. If you don't like it, then put me on ignore.I did read Bret Hart book it was excellent (you should to you might learn something and not come across so ignorant), as well as Foley's. Their is nothing idiotic about bashing McMahon he is to me what any petty dictatore is, a scum bag. Evertime one of his worker's dies he see big raiting on the following weeks tv. He doesn't care about the well being of any of them, don't let this wellness bull shit fool you. If it was on the level then the first guy tested would have been his Son-in-Law so he could send out the message that he wasn't playing favorits, but now who was suspended? Harry Smith, wow, he's a real money maker at the moment.

I don't watch TNA and if you had been reading my post you would have known that. I said I don't follow the product because I don't like how the buisness is run). When wrestling is either unionised or monitored by a nutal party to make sure everyone is clean and not just those who aren't Mega-Stars then I would probably go back to watching a show that based it company around the in-ring product(If I want skit comedy I'll watch SNL or Mad TV). I'm not just "going off Bret Hart" I am going off of several people. Like Offa from the old Wild Samon's who was fired for going to see his wife when she was giving birth to thier child, the fact that the Rock was told he couldn't be with his wife for his childs birth but it was ok for HHH to have time off to be with Steph. How about the fact that Bruno Samartino refuses to be inducted in to Vince's hall of fame, and that Vince refuses to put in Randy Savage. Bret doesn't come off like a winie Bitch to his fans, just to ignorantly loyal McMahonites like yourself.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Flair is the greatest ever...49ers sux!

Bret elivated the game of everybody he worked with. Flair barried careers. What do you think HHH means when he says he learned everything he knows from Ric Flair. I recomend the Brian Pilman DVD, they talk about his politicing against Brian.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

Bret elivated the game of everybody he worked with. Flair barried careers. What do you think HHH means when he says he learned everything he knows from Ric Flair. I recomend the Brian Pilman DVD, they talk about his politicing against Brian.

I have nothing against Hart; he was a great wrestler; but there were lots of wrestlers who can lay claim to being great. Flair is the best ever; If Flair blocked so many careers , then why do so many younger wrestlers ADMIRE him above all others.

Hart was great but so were many others

here ARE JUST A FEW THAT COME TO MIND

Harley Race
Nick Bockwinkle
Dusty Rhodes
Sting
Shawn Michaels
Kerry Von Erich
Randy Savage
Buddy Rogers
Baron Von RASCHE
Barry Windam
Vern Gagne
the Undertaker
Ricky Steamboat
The entire Funk family
threse are just a few that are at least as good as hart was

 

[tickletoy3]

Bret elivated the game of everybody he worked with. Flair barried careers. What do you think HHH means when he says he learned everything he knows from Ric Flair. I recomend the Brian Pilman DVD, they talk about his politicing against Brian.

Flair buried careers? You gotta be kidding me.

Who was it that put Sting over on Clash of the Champions? Who was it that had legendary matches with Harley Race, the Funks, the Road Warriors, Rock and Roll Express, Ricky Steamboat, Blackjack Mulligan and Dusty Rhodes - and almost every WWE HOF member you can name? They each won, they each lost. It was the foundation of the wrestling business.

Keep in mind, some of these matches took place when there was only one ppv a year. Wrestling only one day a week, and even further, there was no such thing as Wrestlemania. Yet people around the world still knew the name "Ric Flair".

Flair was the main event draw at the very first pay per view Starrcade, back when wrestling was 'wrestling' and they talked for 3 minutes and wrestled for 60. Sure Race got him over, just as Piper did Hogan at WM1. But the main reason fans wanted to see either card was (1) Flair beat Race and (2) Hogan beat Piper. That's why it's entertainment and good vs bad. People know it's not real.

Also who has the record for the largest attendance at a wrestling event? Forget the joke of 93,000 at Wrestlemania 3. Flair was in the main event and had 190,000 fans fill a stadium in Tokyo.. and somehow this is burying careers?

"To be the man, you gotta beat the man." In order to be a 16x champion and retire non-champion, that means somewhere Flair made 16 guys "the man" by losing in a main event. Is that burying careers??

 

[Goodieluver]

Goodieluver: The early 90's... oh you mean those two meaningless title runs he had. The first one where he won the title in the Royal Rumble (and I was a great rumble, maybe the best), probably because Vince didn't want him to beat Hogan, and then when he deffended the title at Mania he lost it to Savage. McMahon had so much faith in Flair back then that he would put Hart vs Micheals in the Main Even at that years surviore serries for the IC title. Yeah the early 90's were great for ol' Ric.
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It was the first time wwf even acknowledged another federation when they had flair come with the blurred out NWA belt. He is the only person to win the title in the royal rumble
Back then nobody other than warrior beat Hogan
That survivor series with flair was a tag team match anyway and not a main event. It was the feud of perfect and flair so it was ramone and flair vs flair and i forget who he teamed with. Surprised you dont love flair, its thanks to him bret hart got credibility and his first world title run

 

[Goodieluver]

as for flair blocking careers and such

Flair is somewhat responsible for the careers of ever horseman because anyone in that stable with flair was considered elite(i will not count mongo mcmichael tho) Flair established bret hart as the heavyweight champion

The feud with sting made sting the major wcw player he was

 

[primetime]

You know Slavertickler, do everyone a favor and hire a local neighborhood 5 year old to write your posts for you. It's hard to intepret your version of English. Who taught you how to write? A blind parrot? Goodness man, learn some writing skills before you pop off at the mouth about WWE fans being mindless idiots. At least we know how to spell.

Second, all you ever do is whine on McMahon. You say that it is your right to blast McMahon, so it is OUR right to think you are a complete moron. Nothing you say ever makes sense about McMahon. No one has ever said McMahon is a saint or a hero. He is a business man. A darn successful one. The one who is successful for making Bret Hart bigger than he would have ever been. There will be some shady things done in business. If McMahon was truly this evil, don't you think WWE would have folded YEARS ago?

About Hogan's affair. I guess you missed that part about it being Hogan's PERSONAL life. I said who knows, who cares because it is none of our business. He didn't force any sex on someone. He didn't have sex with a minor. Hogan will pay a price for his consequences within his PERSONAL life. The whole point about Hogan is that he is human. Just like Bret Hart is human. Besides, at least any female offspring of mine will be able to read and understand what I write. Can you say the same?

Bad joke about Americans and 1941. Keep this in mind fool, if the United States wasn't the neighbor of Canada, someone would have taken over your country a long time ago. Don't get it twisted.

The whole "you screwed Bret" chant is just plain annoying. Big freakin' deal Vince screwed Bret. It was okay to hear it the first year, but a whole decade later. No sh*t Vince screwed Bret. Again, is this the first time in the entertainment business someone got screwed? NO. Notice no one in the United States are even mentioning that chant. Wonder why? No one cares about Bret Hart. He is a legend in the ring no doubt, but really, WHO CARES he got screwed? Except for Canadiens, who else in the world is continuing that chant?

Try to look at it from Vince's point of view for once. WCW was beating him in the ratings. Alundra Blaze dropped the WWE Women's Championship belt in the trash can on a WCW show. Imagine if Bret Hart did the same to the WWE Championship belt. He wasn't going to take that chance. How he did it was wrong, but goodness, the man felt he had no other option. Did he make a mistake? Yes. Is it the worst thing a man can do in this world? NO. GET OVER IT. Besides, Bret Hart did absolutely nothing in WCW. No one cares. GET OVER IT.

You say you don't watch TNA. Go back and find your own posts. You DID say you were supporting TNA. You may or may not watch it now, but you did. Don't believe me. Go back to 9/15/2007 and 9/16/2007 (for example) and read your own posts about your support to TNA. In those posts, you went on to encourage people to watch TNA. Since you don't like WWE, go watch that instead....

You go on to say Ric buried people's careers. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Yeah, he buried Sting didn't he? He buried Dusty Rhodes, Ronnie Garvin, Ricky Steamboat, HBK, and a host of others didn't he? Who did he bury? C'mon "expert", who did he bury? Yeah, all those wrestlers who came out and praised Flair really felt the effect of his backstage politics....

If you ever want to be taken seriously, you need to get over this Bret Hart got screwed thing. After all, why should the "screwjob" affect your life so much, that just thinking about Vince McMahon gets you all riled up? Really, WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH? I love Hulk Hogan, but you don't hear me going around feeling miserable in life because Hogan cheated on his wife. I'm not moping and throwing hissy fits when Hogan lost to the Ultimate Warrior. If Vince McMahon screwed me PERSONALLY, then I would hold the grudge, but what did McMahon ever do to you? Plus, why do you overlook the GOOD McMahon has done? Huh, you say? Yes, McMahon has done good in the world as well. You just have no idea what it is because your head is up Bret Hart's ass.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Bad joke about Americans and 1941. Keep this in mind fool, if the United States wasn't the neighbor of Canada, someone would have taken over your country a long time ago. Don't get it twisted.

And the only reason anybody would want to attack Canada is because of our close ties with the US. We are the most beloved people in the world PT. Trie it some time, put you flag on one shirt, and mine on another. Then travel over seas and see what type of reaction you get when you vist different pubs with each shirt. You'll see, the Maple Leafe gets you nothing but love.

Here is what I know for sure about Bret as a performer...
24 year's with out serriesly injuring a co-worker.
Every match he had was good-great.
Always gave credit to other great performers and well condition workers including Shawn Micheals and Ric Flair dispite his personal problems with them.
When WCW offered him nearly 3 million/year, he turned it down out of loyalty to Vince.
When Vince claimed he couldn't aford the deal, he agreed to be released from the contract out of loyalty to Vince.
Agreed to lose the title to HBK at SS97 until Shawn claimed he wouldn't have done it for him in return. This was direspectful so in turn Bret told Vince he wouldn't drop the belt to him (and thats not just in Bret's book).

In closing, niether Bret or Flair are the best, Ed "Strangler "Lewis is the greatest wrestler who ever lived. Bret is better then Flair.

 

[primetime]

I'm not going to make this a Canada vs US thread, but you damn well know who's country would win. Hell, our hockey franchises are better than Canada's. Yeah, top that....

Anyway, Bret Hart is NOT better than Flair. 16 time World Champion. Doesn't whine when things don't go his way. Gets a proper sendoff. Didn't alienate WWE fans. The FACE of pro-wrestling, only Hogan/Austin was just as big. That is Ric Flair.

Bret Hart will always be remembered as a great wrestler, but his "legend" is not as big or as strong as Flair's. Oh Bret is big in Canada (which says something about Canada that one of their biggest heroes is a guy who participates in the scripted world of sports-entertainment), but across the world? Ric Flair has Bret beat a lot.

As long as you continue to berate WWE fans, so will I continue to laugh at your "hero".

 

[SlaverTickler]

I'm not going to make this a Canada vs US thread, but you damn well know who's country would win. Hell, our hockey franchises are better than Canada's. Yeah, top that....

Well let me say this about that... check who is on you hockey franchises. Why they would want to play in a country that has a bias ignorant person lie yourself in it is beyonde me. Then again for 20 mil I might concider playing their too if I could. You act like Vince made Bret a star out of the goodness of his heart. Wrong! McMahon has no Heart, and he did it because of the steroid scandle, when he looked around after all the juice monkeys were gone all he saw was Bret and his unequaled skill in the ring. When it comes down two it, Slick Ric was an ace on the mic, but he was pretty much a 1 trick poney on in the ring.

Hop on a plane, travel around the world, and ask them who's better, Hogan or Hart. When did Bret ever Alienate wwe fans? I've never heard him say anything about the fans in a shoot interview. Flair was never as big as Hogan or Austin, and I wouldn't be suprised to learn one day that alot of the guy came out on RAW because the were worried about pissing off HHH if they didn't. Bret is the better in ring performer. The last "new" thing Flair ever did was a move Bret did first. Yeah top that...

Bret Hart will always be remembered as a great wrestler, but his "legend" is not as big or as strong as Flair's. Oh Bret is big in Canada (which says something about Canada that one of their biggest heroes is a guy who participates in the scripted world of sports-entertainment), but across the world? Ric Flair has Bret beat a lot.

Nope he doesn't. Bret is our biggest wrestling star. We have a few others in different sports as well. Mostly hockey I'll admit.

As long as you continue to berate WWE fans, so will I continue to laugh at your "hero".

Well with that I no longer have to berater WWE fans. With that last remark you've proven what ignorant scum you all are.

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Well with that I no longer have to berater WWE fans. With that last remark you've proven what ignorant scum you all are.

Aren't you the one who constantly reprehends a product that you no longer watch?

 

[Banshee]

It's FAKE

Who cares if someone is a 16 time anything. It's a SCRIPT not an accomplishment!

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Who cares if someone is a 16 time anything. It's a SCRIPT not an accomplishment!

Actually it's a combination of many things. Improvisation is a key element. And I think I would consider someone's hard work paying off as an accomplishment. Nothing is given. Don't you just love it when idiots like this think they're dropping knowledge when they say "it's fake?" Is that the best you can do?

 

[primetime]

I guess you didn't hire that 5 year old. You are calling us WWE fans ignorant? Dammit, at least we know how to write and spell. Is English your second language? I know some Canadien people speak French, which would make sense for you as English must be your second language. Your writing skills and logic are horrendous. Please tell me English is your second language and it's not your strong point. Pay attention son.

First of all, our hockey FRANCHISES are better than Canada's. Your country invented the sport and the last time a Canadien franchise won was 1993. Even that one was given to them considering that stupid "stickgate" crap.

Second of all, how stupid are you to think that Bret Hart's legend is greater than Flair's? Outside of Canada, no one thinks as highly as Bret Hart compared to Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. I would put Bret Hart in the same category as Sting. Great wrestler. One of the best of all time. But an icon (outside of Canada)? No.

Think about it when you compare Bret Hart to Ric Flair. SIXTEEN TIME World Champion. A career that spanned 36 years. Has faced some of the greatest legends in pro wrestling. People everywhere have said his catchphrases. Has Bret Hart done any of this compared to Flair? Will Bret Hart have an entire locker room come out and thank him, like Ric did? No. By the way, who did Bret "put over" over his career compared to Flair? You said Flair doesn't put anyone over.

All we hear about Bret Hart is his gripe against McMahon. For all the crap you spew about McMahon, Vince still allowed him to be in the Hall Of Fame. Bret even accepted. Think about you clown. Your hero actually worked with McMahon again. If Bret is willing to work with a man who "screwed" him, why can't you leave the WWE alone. Why does it even concern you that people (millions of them worldwide) still like WWE. No one cares for your opinion. The simple fact that you talk about WWE fans only shows your stupidity. Notice, no one, I mean NO ONE has ever backed your claims about the McMahon evilness and WWE fans are stupid.

We are not stupid. We like the product. Just because you have an issue with your compatriot getting "screwed", doesn't mean WWE fans are ignorant. You are. You have always been ignorant on this board and I know I do not respect you. The more you crap on WWE threads and insult the fans of the WWE, the more of an ass you become. Ever wonder why people don't like you? It's because 1) you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer and 2) your writing style is atrocious. Grow up for once in your life and get over Montreal 1997.

 

[Tomskee]

Damn

Primetime, you put that fool on blast. i was going to step in days ago, but you were doing so well ripping his arguments (if you call them arguments). You raised all the points that needed to be raised. I mean what will Bret be remembered for really? Greasy hair? Stupid looking shades? The Screwjob? Or my personal favorite, stealing his finisher from a already established superstar, thus propelling him to superstardom (the move will always be called Scorpion Deathlock in my mind).

What kills me is that you, SlaverTickler, continue to harp on Hogan's personal mistakes. That asshole Edge has ruined both of his marriages with adultery and in the process stabbed Matt Hardy in the back and ruined the reputation of Lita. Yeah Austin may have hit his wife, but he didn't kill her like that juiced up, degenerate fucker Chris Benoit. Whether you are born in Canada or the US, everyone has personal problems. Using these problems to diminish someone's wrestling legacy, is unfair and foolish.

I personally don't watch WWE because I am currently not impressed with their writing and most of their in-ring work. I watch TNA because of my favorite active wrestler Kurt Angle. On a sidenote, if sheer in-ring skill were the only thing needed for icon status in modern wrestling, Kurt Angle would be a GOD. Angle could stretch Hart, Flair, Michaels, Hogan, Austin, and Triple H. But he won't be regarded like them, because they had more style and charisma. I prefer TNA but I would never insult WWE fans.

 

[Goodieluver]

I guess you didn't hire that 5 year old. You are calling us WWE fans ignorant? Dammit, at least we know how to write and spell. Is English your second language? I know some Canadien people speak French, which would make sense for you as English must be your second language. Your writing skills and logic are horrendous. Please tell me English is your second language and it's not your strong point. Pay attention son.

First of all, our hockey FRANCHISES are better than Canada's. Your country invented the sport and the last time a Canadien franchise won was 1993. Even that one was given to them considering that stupid "stickgate" crap.

Second of all, how stupid are you to think that Bret Hart's legend is greater than Flair's? Outside of Canada, no one thinks as highly as Bret Hart compared to Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. I would put Bret Hart in the same category as Sting. Great wrestler. One of the best of all time. But an icon (outside of Canada)? No.

Think about it when you compare Bret Hart to Ric Flair. SIXTEEN TIME World Champion. A career that spanned 36 years. Has faced some of the greatest legends in pro wrestling. People everywhere have said his catchphrases. Has Bret Hart done any of this compared to Flair? Will Bret Hart have an entire locker room come out and thank him, like Ric did? No. By the way, who did Bret "put over" over his career compared to Flair? You said Flair doesn't put anyone over.

All we hear about Bret Hart is his gripe against McMahon. For all the crap you spew about McMahon, Vince still allowed him to be in the Hall Of Fame. Bret even accepted. Think about you clown. Your hero actually worked with McMahon again. If Bret is willing to work with a man who "screwed" him, why can't you leave the WWE alone. Why does it even concern you that people (millions of them worldwide) still like WWE. No one cares for your opinion. The simple fact that you talk about WWE fans only shows your stupidity. Notice, no one, I mean NO ONE has ever backed your claims about the McMahon evilness and WWE fans are stupid.

We are not stupid. We like the product. Just because you have an issue with your compatriot getting "screwed", doesn't mean WWE fans are ignorant. You are. You have always been ignorant on this board and I know I do not respect you. The more you crap on WWE threads and insult the fans of the WWE, the more of an ass you become. Ever wonder why people don't like you? It's because 1) you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer and 2) your writing style is atrocious. Grow up for once in your life and get over Montreal 1997.

Im sorry but american hockey has nothing at the moment on the stars who have come from canada or hell the franchises of edmonton and montreal alone

 

[SlaverTickler]

Primetime, you put that fool on blast. i was going to step in days ago, but you were doing so well ripping his arguments (if you call them arguments). You raised all the points that needed to be raised. I mean what will Bret be remembered for really? Greasy hair? Stupid looking shades? The Screwjob? Or my personal favorite, stealing his finisher from a already established superstar, thus propelling him to superstardom (the move will always be called Scorpion Deathlock in my mind).

All I read from primetime is about SS97, and I haven't brought it up once on this thread. Bret will be remembered by me for a 24 year long career where he faced the best people he could, including Flair, Nick Bockwinkle, The Dynamite Kid, his brother Owen, all the while never having hurt anyone ( at least in a way that prevented them from working the next time they had to). I'll also remember him as a 5 time world champion in the biggest wrestling company in the world. Not to mention the guy who helped put HBK and Steve Austin on the map. They were on their way, but working with Bret helped them alot.

What kills me is that you, SlaverTickler, continue to harp on Hogan's personal mistakes. That asshole Edge has ruined both of his marriages with adultery and in the process stabbed Matt Hardy in the back and ruined the reputation of Lita. Yeah Austin may have hit his wife, but he didn't kill her like that juiced up, degenerate fucker Chris Benoit. Whether you are born in Canada or the US, everyone has personal problems. Using these problems to diminish someone's wrestling legacy, is unfair and foolish.

Benoit killed his wife and kid because of a diminished mental state cause by repeated blunt head trama, why that, because their are no safty regs in the wrestling indastry. As for Edga, he is a dick, so why was I told slick ric said some nice things about him in his induction speach? Maybe you can ask him.

I personally don't watch WWE because I am currently not impressed with their writing and most of their in-ring work. I watch TNA because of my favorite active wrestler Kurt Angle. On a sidenote, if sheer in-ring skill were the only thing needed for icon status in modern wrestling, Kurt Angle would be a GOD. Angle could stretch Hart, Flair, Michaels, Hogan, Austin, and Triple H. But he won't be regarded like them, because they had more style and charisma. I prefer TNA but I would never insult WWE fans.

Their is no question that Angle is the biggest amature star to jump to the Smoke and Mirriors world the pro's. If you ever get a chance to meet him, ask him one question "If you could have wrestled Bret Hart, who would have called the match?", becuase in a radio interview he said he wouldn't think twice about letting Bret lead the dance.

Now who's the fool?

 

[SlaverTickler]

First of all, our hockey FRANCHISES are better than Canada's. Your country invented the sport and the last time a Canadien franchise won was 1993. Even that one was given to them considering that stupid "stickgate" crap.

Our country invented it, and our players tend to dominate it. Your franchises our players. Canadian skill American Marketing. Then again most American markets for hockey don't make much money, and when a Canadian tries to bing a failing American Franchise to Canada the Americans who run the NHL do everything they can to cut them off at the knees, including allowing someone with a lower bid to buy a team.

Second of all, how stupid are you to think that Bret Hart's legend is greater than Flair's? Outside of Canada, no one thinks as highly as Bret Hart compared to Steve Austin, Hulk Hogan and Ric Flair. I would put Bret Hart in the same category as Sting. Great wrestler. One of the best of all time. But an icon (outside of Canada)? No.

I would never put Bret on the same level as Hogan as far as Legend goes. I would put him above Hogan as an in ring performer, but nobody will ever be bigger then Hogan as an icon. My remarks simply come from who was better in the ring, Bret was the best, and until someone with a 24 year record of not harming a co-wroker in a way that prevents them from working comes along, holds the world title 5 times in the top company and can have an excelent match everytime, their won't be anyone who can say they were as good let alone better.

primetime

Think about it when you compare Bret Hart to Ric Flair. SIXTEEN TIME World Champion. A career that spanned 36 years. Has faced some of the greatest legends in pro wrestling. People everywhere have said his catchphrases. Has Bret Hart done any of this compared to Flair? Will Bret Hart have an entire locker room come out and thank him, like Ric did? No. By the way, who did Bret "put over" over his career compared to Flair? You said Flair doesn't put anyone over.

16 time world champion, 2 of them were in the WWE, and thats what you consider the big leagues right. Well Hart was a 5 time world champion in the big leagues, and he was the guy Vince went to over Flair. Bret faced alot of big names in his time too. Most of them were in Stampead, when guys like Nick Bockwinkle would come through with the NWA title. I think an entire locker room, except for Hunter and HBK ( who stayed in the back during the Pilman tribute) would come out for him too. Why wouldn't they, he was a great wrestler, and he never fucked any of them over. We'll never know for sure because Bret will never apear on WWE tv again (unless it would help his family that are still in the buisness).

All we hear about Bret Hart is his gripe against McMahon. For all the crap you spew about McMahon, Vince still allowed him to be in the Hall Of Fame. Bret even accepted. Think about you clown. Your hero actually worked with McMahon again. If Bret is willing to work with a man who "screwed" him, why can't you leave the WWE alone. Why does it even concern you that people (millions of them worldwide) still like WWE. No one cares for your opinion. The simple fact that you talk about WWE fans only shows your stupidity. Notice, no one, I mean NO ONE has ever backed your claims about the McMahon evilness and WWE fans are stupid.

What Bret supose to do when he goes on tv or the radio and the first thing people bring up is Montreal 97? It's not his fault people want to talk about it, and why shouldn't he talk about it? Vince didn't allow Bret in the hall of fame, he knew Bret on the Hall of Fame special would bring in raitings. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING Vince does is about money. Bret excepted the Hall of Fame as part of his DVD deal so it wouldn't end up like that Ultimate Warrior disc. It concerns me that people who claim they love wrestlng and pretend to be upset when guys like Owen Hart, Brian Pilman, and Eddie Guerrero die from thing that could have been prevented with a lighter tours and safty regulations. As long as people keep watching none of that will chainge, that is why I go at it like I do.

We are not stupid. We like the product. Just because you have an issue with your compatriot getting "screwed", doesn't mean WWE fans are ignorant. You are. You have always been ignorant on this board and I know I do not respect you. The more you crap on WWE threads and insult the fans of the WWE, the more of an ass you become. Ever wonder why people don't like you? It's because 1) you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer and 2) your writing style is atrocious. Grow up for once in your life and get over Montreal 1997.

Again in this entire thread when did I mention the screw job, the only thing I mentioned was about Ric Flairs comments regarding the Hart/McMahon case. He had no buisness mensioning Owen, or his death in tha book, other then to say how he felt about the actual death. Of course his book was a big blow job to McMahon so he would never talk about the fact that it was something he never should have been asked to do. Maybe I am wrong about how stupid WWE fans are, maybe they aren't so dumb. Maybe they are just a bunch of selfish jerk-off's who's only consern is their own entertainment and not that of those who provide it.

And for the record, the last time I watched the WWE was the Eddie Guerrero tribute, and the last time I watch TNA was when I saw a guy named Abyss getting hit with a chair with his hands cuffed behind his back (after the Benoit deaths). I will never watch RoH because their was an interview with one of their stars, and he anounced he was taking time off for a cuncusion and he was booed. In his own word he said in this interview, "The wrestling fans just don't care.". Well the sun is going down so I guess the rest of you will be going out to feed soon. Hope you get a good day rest when you come home. Oh... watch out for the garlic and holy water.

As for people liking me or backing me up. I could care less. Anybody can stand their ground when they have an army behind them, it takes real balls to stand alone on something.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Im sorry but american hockey has nothing at the moment on the stars who have come from canada or hell the franchises of edmonton and montreal alone

For that much I thank you.

 

[FlockOfSeagulls]

SlaverTickler dude...

You SERIOUSLY need to get over the FACT that Flair is the best ever...Hart was great but doesn`t come close to Flair

Why is it that anyone who is Canadian is always better than a non-Canadian.You are a SERIOUS HOMER; THIS clouds your judgement on every subject you debate....you are kind of a one-trick pony


All most are asking is for you to give credit where credit is due. Up to thid point you haven`t done this; the ball is in your court

 

[primetime]

I guess people miss the point about the hockey reference. Does anyone know what "franchise" mean? I am not talking about the individual players (obviously most of them in the NHL are Canadien or European born). For a country to have invented hockey, surely one of the NHL franchises based in Canada would win the Stanley Cup. They haven't have they? Oh well, I guess it goes over people's head....

You know why I point out Montreal 1997? Because YOU SlaverTickler continue to mention how evil McMahon is and it stems from Montreal 1997. Your whole slant against McMahon is involved with Bret Hart. So I am attacking you based on your ridiculous vendetta against McMahon. McMahon has done nothing to you PERSONALLY, but yet you act like McMahon swindled your parents out of millions of dollars and beat the crap out of you and left you laying in the street a bloody mess, then stole your wallet. You started your ridiculous statement in this thread by attacking Ric Flair as if Ric Flair did something personal to YOU. Keep in mind you called WWE fans ignorant and stupid. This is only ONE thread you spewed your crap on. For someone who hates McMahon so much, the question is why? It always goes back to Bret Hart and Montreal 1997.

You damn skippy Bret Hart is not a bigger legend than Hogan. But what you fail to realize is that Bret is not bigger than Flair. Like Tomskee pointed out, what will people remember Bret for? Huh? He was a 5 time champion? Triple H is an 11 time champion in the big leagues. The Rock is a 7 time champion. Big whoop. No one has ever said Bret sucked as a wrestler. He is one of the greatest ring wrestlers of all time. But damn, you worship the guy as though he can do no wrong.

It's funny when you say McMahon only cares about money. Is that so? So, McMahon sends his employees into a damn warzone for money? He allows his employees to participate in the Make A Wish Foundation to make money? First and foremost, McMahon is a BUSINESSMAN. What does that mean? He wants to make MONEY and LOTS OF MONEY. Name another CEO that isn't concerned about making money. McMahon's job is to entertain the fans and make money. That's business 101. Even Canadiens should be wise enough to know that. Like a lot of corporations, there will be less than "honorable" things happening behind the scenes. That is just the nature of capitalism. You act like people in the entertainment business have never screwed people before. How ignorant are you? Get a damn clue.

Look man, the mor eyou talk about WWE fans, the more stupid and petty you look. We (or at least I know) that WWE is show business. There will be some shenanigans happening behind the scenes, there will be politics, but because pro wrestling has no effect on my personal everyday life, I will just sit back and enjoy the show. Is McMahon holding a gun to his employees' heads? They can leave if they want to. They stick around because even if there is negatives, there are also positives for entertaining millions.

And no, the entire locker room will not come out for Bret like they did with Ric.

 

[Tomskee]

SlaverTickler dude...

You SERIOUSLY need to get over the FACT that Flair is the best ever...Hart was great but doesn`t come close to Flair

Why is it that anyone who is Canadian is always better than a non-Canadian.You are a SERIOUS HOMER; THIS clouds your judgement on every subject you debate....you are kind of a one-trick pony


All most are asking is for you to give credit where credit is due. Up to thid point you haven`t done this; the ball is in your court

Amen Brother!! Preach it!

No one said one negative thing until you SlaverTickler popped off on Flair for no reason. Then you tried to elevate Hart above Flair by saying this crap about Flair, Hogan, and Austin's personal lives. Of course when I and others pointed out that Bret and other Canadian wrestlers have made some mistakes in their personal lives, you just sidestepped, ignored or played down those facts. Not only is your blind Canadian bias proved, one of your reasons that Hart is better than Flair is disproved. Then you try to say Flair didn't put guys over. Lets compare all the guys Flair put over or helped elevate:

Dusty Rhodes
Arn Anderson
Ole Anderson
Tully Blanchard
Barry Windham
Lex Luger
Sting
Rickey Steamboat
Brian Pillman
Chris Benoit
Rick Rude
Dean Malenko
Batista
Randy Orton
and probably a dozen more. Ric Flair's legacy is so great you can't really compare Bret Hart's and not sound silly.

Of course Angle would let Bret lead the match. Just like he let Shawn Michaels and Ric Flair lead their respective matches. Angle respects the business, its traditions and the skills of those legendary wrestlers. But you are seriously bent and the biggest fool alive if you think that Hart, Flair and Shawn even come close to Angle as far as pure in ring mat-wrestling ability goes. Angle is a two-time NCAA champ and Olympic gold medalist. His arsenal of takedowns, transitions, suplexes, and submissions are vastly superior to just about everyone in the business. Angle could shoot on and hurt almost anybody. Angle would LET any icon lead, but his skill level allows him to take over any match.

To echo FlockOfSeagulls, we just want you to respect what Flair has done. Stop this "Canada Good, America Bad" bullshit.

 

[primetime]

Flock and Tomskee make great points. It's funny how Slavertickler says Flair hasn't put over anyone, but the list Tomskee put in says it all. Names on that list are some of the greatest wrestlers of all time. Too bad he is too stupid to realize his hatred towards WWE is making him irrational.

Tomskee, I love Kurt Angle too and you are right. Angle is probably one of the greatest in ring performers ever. The man's background proves that with him being a NCAA champion and the fact that he is an Olympic gold medalist. I wish he was still in WWE because he was one of my favorite characters. The man was hilarious, until they made him "psychotic" Kurt. His goofy character with Steve Austin was some of the best entertainment I have ever seen.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I stated my point at least twice, in the facts. Isn't it funny how all the guys you claim Flair put over were mostly members of the 4HM club. Except for Pilman who your beloved Austin has claimed he held down (it's in the Brian Pilman DVD the WWE put out). As for all the charity work you talk about, public relations and tax write offs. The same people he entertains in Iraq are the same guys who are going to spend money on the product when they come home. I am no more bias towards Bret then you American's are bias towards Flair. The only difference is I can back it up. All these great legends you talked about Slick Ric working with, guess what, Hart worked with most of them too, at least the ones that were alive, when he started out.

I layed out the things that make Bret the best in my eyes. His record for great matchs, never injuring a co-worker in 24 years, and being the 5 time world champion in the top company (when it still had some value), and raising the game of everybody he worked with, including Sid Vicouse.... SID VICOUSE for fucks sakes. Nobody can lay claim to all of these things except him.

Well it doesn't matter anyway. MacMahon says jump and McMahonites say how high. I used to be that way to, but I got over it. Wrestling fans don't care about how good a match is anymore, they only care how many dumb risks the wrestlers needlessly take. The fans have all become vampires, and the WWE is your blood bank, so enjoy your feast.

I bid you all a Hart Felt goodbye for now.
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