Yes, unfortunately the tickling community undoubtedly has its share of dangerous people just like the world at large. Again, if I were a ticklish woman (there's a stretch, lol), I think I'd have a realy hard time being comfortable as a tickling model anyway. At the very least I'd ask for info about the company first and make sure it was legitimate and had done a lot of work (like MTP Jeff for example) before I showed up somewhere (even with an escort) to be restrained and tickled by someone I didn't even know! And I definitely think that this guy (especially if he's already using craigslist, the home of hookers!) should have just contacted an escort. Still, it doesn't sound like this guy actually did anything all that horrible either--misrepresented himself, yes, but that doesn't mean that he actually threatened anyone or anything like that.
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Yes, unfortunately the tickling community undoubtedly has its share of dangerous people just like the world at large. Again, if I were a ticklish woman (there's a stretch, lol), I think I'd have a realy hard time being comfortable as a tickling model anyway. At the very least I'd ask for info about the company first and make sure it was legitimate and had done a lot of work (like MTP Jeff for example) before I showed up somewhere (even with an escort) to be restrained and tickled by someone I didn't even know! And I definitely think that this guy (especially if he's already using craigslist, the home of hookers!) should have just contacted an escort. Still, it doesn't sound like this guy actually did anything all that horrible either--misrepresented himself, yes, but that doesn't mean that he actually threatened anyone or anything like that.
Probably because models are waaaaaay cheaper than an escort.
Are they? The couple of times I've heard prices quoted, they were in the $100-$200/hr range. Escorts usually charge a similar amount. The couple of times I hired models for non-tickling work they asked between $50-$100 an hour - more, if it was a fetish shoot.
Granted, it varies by region and personal choice.
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The kind of people who do this are generally the kind of people who couldn't get a date if their lives depended on it. Of course, they could if they were willing to learn how to not be so creepy and desperate, but most of them don't think they're doing anything wrong in the first place. Witness some of the questions on this thread, or threads that have been created in the past.
That would be new to me! Depends on the girl I guess, if she's really a professional, over-the-top-beautiful fetish model, I guess she could ask for that much. But I know a producer I know pays that much for the whole shoot - and that is certainly not done in one hour!
I think we are lacking some specific facts here. Forgive my bluntness, but so far it is just your one-sided story based on personal perception. You said the craiglist ad "sound[ed] like a 'professional' tickling producer." And then this whole misrepresentation matter is based on this "sound". Well, what sounds like one thing to one person may sound like something else to another. Is it possible that this misrepresentation is just misunderstanding? If you want our thoughts, why don't you provide the specific facts to us first? What exactly does the ad say? Did you see the ad personally? Or are you relying on the model's perception of the ad?
I agree that misrepresentation is bad, but did this guy actually made a misrepresentation? I do not know. I do not have enough facts to form an opinion.
I agree that misrepresentation is bad, but did this guy actually made a misrepresentation? I do not know. I do not have enough facts to form an opinion.
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Neither do I storm. My first impression of this new message just sounds strange to me. Sounds like some preemptive strike on something which we're not even sure has the potential to happen.
I'm curious, he did clarify it was a personal session upon her arriving, correct?
BTW, outing someone? Like a CIA agent? That's not very intelligent or compassionate. In fact, it reeks of ressentiment.
I'm curious, he did clarify it was a personal session upon her arriving, correct?
BTW, outing someone? Like a CIA agent? That's not very intelligent or compassionate. In fact, it reeks of ressentiment.
good point. although, from the original post;
That would imply to me it was a professional gig, for sure.
Well, that is not so sure for me. A lot of Personals ads, for example, would ask for certain age, certain ethicity, certain hair color, etc. Maybe a photo too. Does it make it "professional" then? If I want a personal tickling session, I probably would ask for a woman of a certain age, etc too. A photo is a good idea because I want her to havea face that is of my taste. Now, do I then "sound like a professional"? An amateur cannot ask for those things? A hourly compensation certainly is not indicative of being "professional". Does anyone expect that one is paid a monthly wage in this kind of things, professional or otherwise? And I think it is not misleading to describe this as a (part-time) job/gig. If you hire someone to massage you in a 1-hour session, isn't it a job? If one hires someone for a tickling session (to be videotaped or otherwise), why isn't it a job? Where is the misrepresentation? I don't see any. What is implied to you definitely is not implied to me.
Fair enough. I see your point.
On the other hand, I guess I personally, were I to post this sort of ad, would make sure to indicate it wasn't a 'video-style' scenario precisely to avoid this kind of confusion. But that's just me.
I also just have this idea in the back of my mind that, given the rampant dishonesty in this community, that the poster knew exactly what he was doing in trying to appear legit, because it happens all the time. Witness the other Craigslist post about the "stress survey" currently under discussion in this forum.
There is certainly dishonesty everywhere. I just want to ask people to be objective, critical, and reasonable. Twenty-something posts after the original post, I think I am probably the first one to question the existence of this so-called "misrepresentation". So many just jumped on this guy, who posted this Craiglist ad, apparently without really thinking this over objectively and critically. Is there really a reasonable ground to "out him"? This "phony producer" suddenly became a poster child for dangerous preverts. So many here lamented the dishonesty in this community. Well, all this "phony producer" thing seems to be merely based on a perception, of either the model or the original poster ZenTickling, that the ad "sound[ed] like a 'professional' tickling producer" in his/her opinion. No one has offered any convincing evidence whatsoever to support the claim that this guy "impersonating a tickling producer".
Whether your intention or not, you pretty much just outed him with that statement. It wouldn't take Sherlock Holmes to figure out who you're referring to.
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Did she have auburn hair with hazel eyes?
By bringing this to the attention of the general forum you have done the right thing. Models will know to ask "questions" before agreeing to any meeting.
It isnt necessary to "out" this person, though I certainly think he deserves it.... May others be warned that they WILL be found out if they attempt to do the same type of thing...
I'm not really sure any of us can judge this situation without seeing the ad that was originally posted. I certainly believe that if it was advertised as such then paying for a personal session is acceptable with a model, however, if she was correct and false advertisement was involved then this is obviously extremely wrong.
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Is getting head from a hooker not a personal session?
I think the false representation in this situation is terrible, but this analogy is inaccurate.
If this had been posted here on the forum, then it would be a problem for the admins to take care of. Because it happened on Craigs list it should serve as more of a caveat for people to really check out things posted via the internet. It should serve as a warning to people to be careful before meeting people that they only know through an online ad. I'm sure with a little investigation this could have been exposed to be the fraud it was before she went. The best thing is that she is safe.
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Good point.
No, it's not. It's a professional session because giving head is her profession!
If she doesn't charge you, then it's personal!
Here's a thought.
My friend is a massage therapist. I've paid her for incalls a couple of times.
If I said to my friend, "hey, I'd like to pay for your services", and she came to my place, at which point I then said "...and those services are, I'd like you to tickle me", then that'd be misrepresentation.
They may both be jobs, but the question is, which job did the model think she was being hired to do? Without seeing the text of the ad, we don't know whether the poster was lying or just communicated his intent badly. But yes, the crux of the issue is, even though both tickling and whatever-else are jobs if you pay for them, if the person being paid agrees to one thing and you spring another on them, that's bad form regardless of semantics.
My friend is a massage therapist. I've paid her for incalls a couple of times.
If I said to my friend, "hey, I'd like to pay for your services", and she came to my place, at which point I then said "...and those services are, I'd like you to tickle me", then that'd be misrepresentation.
They may both be jobs, but the question is, which job did the model think she was being hired to do? Without seeing the text of the ad, we don't know whether the poster was lying or just communicated his intent badly. But yes, the crux of the issue is, even though both tickling and whatever-else are jobs if you pay for them, if the person being paid agrees to one thing and you spring another on them, that's bad form regardless of semantics.
I think the difference is in communication. If you hire a fetish model under the pretense that its a professional shoot, you cannot then just expect to partake in a personal session.
Exactly. Plus, doing fetish clips is WHAT SHE DOES being a model. It is not her job to come visit people at home to fulfill their desires!
Let's just say both are jobs, but it is not THE MODEL'S job!
Does that make more sense?Although, just to have a dig, I think most producers do this anyway and just happen to film it and sell it.
If filming a clip is only a little bit like having a photoshooting, it doesn't have a lot to do with a personal session.
I just find too many videos over indulgent.
