15 year old girl assaulted by police

[MrMacphisto]

One displayed by a lot of policemen you'll find. Good for the goose, good for the gander and all that.

EDIT: Law enforcement is a thankless job, true, but the people who do it know this. If they don't like it there are other jobs to be doing. As far as having no sympathy for the girl, do me a favour; she's a 15 year old kid who kicked her shoe at a grown man, if you think she deserves what she got you're sub-human.

I tend to be in the middle on this one. On the one hand, the due process of law should be followed, and these officers should be punished accordingly.

I know others have said the girl deserved what she got, but I don't agree with them either.

I just think the most rational course of action is to let the system work the way it is designed. Otherwise, why have a system?

 

[MasterPaladin]

I somewhat agree with Viper. I can see why he feels that way but it is not the Police Officers duty to act as a parent. In my 20 years as a Police Officer I only struck one child he was 14 had it have been a girl I would not have but thats me. The kid was under for driving a vehicle he drove it all the way from PA to NYC in the south Bronx. While in custody he was laughing and joking I asked him you think this is funny ? I'll whipe that silly smile right off your face. His friends were also laughing tilll I said that as I turned away the kid had a nasty comment for me I turned back and open handed smacked him in the face and knocked him off the chair. well I had 3 of the quietest kids after that. The father who drove 4 and a half hours to come get the 3 boys was not very happy. As soon as he entered the room the trouble maker got up and started telling his father he was the victim of Police Brutality and that I hit him. The father said well apparently he didn't hit you hard enough and began to beat him with a belt.
I was wrong but nothing ever came of it. I don't want to start quoting the law but what she did would have been considered harassment in a court of law as there was no physical injury. Just like you wouldn't shoot someone fleeing a burglary you don't assault someone for harassment.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

While I'm all for snot nosed kids getting a beatin' thrown to them so they know their place, I drew my own personal line at the fullbody tackle and the punching twice in the head.

Other then that, I see nothing wrong with the beginning. She was getting punked, that's all that was necessary.

 

[ViperGTS]

Considering your reaction to an unneccessary act of violence is to encourage more unneccessary violence, you not only show yourself to be a hypocrite, but you also make your own opinion invalid.

It's still bollocks. I'd have hoped he died from AIDS, but the crackhead gunman scenario seems a little more feasible 😀

 

[MrMacphisto]

Considering your reaction to an unneccessary act of violence is to encourage more unneccessary violence, you not only show yourself to be a hypocrite, but you also make your own opinion invalid.

I think you'll find that allowing policemen to be abusive is no more reasonable than enacting violence on them as a result of abuse.

 

[SlaverTickler]

It's still bollocks. Having a shoe kicked at you doesn't necessitate a full-blown body tackle, especially not when it's a stroppy 7 stone teenage girl doing the kicking. Enjoy your weekend.

It's not bullocks Scruff. If you are dumb enough to fuck with cops then you deserve to get you ass kicked. Like Viper though I don't think they should have hit her once she was down.

I'd have hoped he died from AIDS, but the crackhead gunman scenario seems a little more feasible 😀

If this does happen, hopefully, it will while he is on his way to protect somebody you care about. Of course it is always the way with siv's and the police, people hate them until it is there house that is being broken into.

 

[ViperGTS]

How many times do I need to quote Simon and Garfunkel?

Please read the entire post before you reply to it, thx. There's nothing abusive about the tackle and the take down, but I already states my opinion about the two punches. Yeah, he didn't HAVE to tackle her, but it wasn't abusive.

I think you'll find that allowing policemen to be abusive is no more reasonable than enacting violence on them as a result of abuse.

 

[MrMacphisto]

How many times do I need to quote Simon and Garfunkel?

Please read the entire post before you reply to it, thx. There's nothing abusive about the tackle and the take down, but I already states my opinion about the two punches. Yeah, he didn't HAVE to tackle her, but it wasn't abusive.

We have different definitions of abusive then.

The situation was already under control. She was in a containment room, and the most action that was necessary was taking the shoe, putting it back into the room, and then closing the door, where she could sit down and be alone for a while.

Chances are, she would've calmed down in that time period.

The point is... if you're a cop, you need a level head. The situation presented in the video is pretty low stress compared to all the other stuff they have to go through. Chances are, something else probably happened earlier that day that made the cops edgy. Everyone has their breaking point, but this does not excuse abuse.

And yes, beating someone down who isn't attacking you is abuse. If you don't agree with that, then I believe you put far too much faith and power in government.

 

[SlaverTickler]

How many times do I need to quote Simon and Garfunkel?

Please read the entire post before you reply to it, thx. There's nothing abusive about the tackle and the take down, but I already states my opinion about the two punches. Yeah, he didn't HAVE to tackle her, but it wasn't abusive.

I think allot of this comes from the fact that she was a 100 pound girl, if this was a 15 year old 5'10 180 lbs high school football player some peoples reactions would be different.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

I think allot of this comes from the fact that she was a 100 pound girl, if this was a 15 year old 5'10 180 lbs high school football player some peoples reactions would be different.

Or if she was 18 and not 15.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Or if she was 18 and not 15.

Mmmm, I don't, even at 18 people might simply see a man hitting a woman. If this was a female cop I don't even think this would have made the new. I know I wouldn't have even cared about the 3 punches if it was a female on female situation.

 

[ViperGTS]

As I said earlier, a criminal is a criminal, period. She was being disrespectful and verbally abusive and needed to be put in her place. For the last time, the punches were not called for and the cop should be disciplined for that, but the tackle and the restraining was, in my opinion, perfectly justified, because the fucking brat doesn't seem to understand that there are some people you have no right attacking.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

If this was a female cop I don't even think this would have made the new.

I disagree. Regardless of the sex of the cop, it was still a Police Officer. Any form of potential police brutality makes the news.

 

[MrMacphisto]

Mmmm, I don't, even at 18 people might simply see a man hitting a woman. If this was a female cop I don't even think this would have made the new. I know I wouldn't have even cared about the 3 punches if it was a female on female situation.

I disagree. The media would have likely picked this up as well.

Anytime a cop attacks a minor, especially an unarmed one, it will probably make the news if the video is leaked.

While the media is obviously sensational in its presentation of the situation, I do believe it is a good thing that these things come to light. Even if the girl had been an adult, police must be held to a higher standard, because enforcing the law in a logical and fair manner is of the utmost importance in a civilized society.

Granted, I understand how being a cop is not a very pleasant job. Everytime my county has bonds involving more spending for law enforcement, I support them, because I know that cops should get paid more most of the time, and there is always a need for better infrastructure for law enforcement in big cities like mine.

I'm simply suggesting we hold these officers to a higher standard but also afford them the respect they deserve. Balance is the key here.

 

[MasterPaladin]

Mmmm, I don't, even at 18 people might simply see a man hitting a woman. If this was a female cop I don't even think this would have made the new. I know I wouldn't have even cared about the 3 punches if it was a female on female situation.

lol I found this a tad funny and I don't mean to be making with the jokes but in my pct I knew a few female Officers that could hit harder than me.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I disagree. Regardless of the sex of the cop, it was still a Police Officer. Any form of potential police brutality makes the news.

Well we both have our views. I can respect the fact that gender isn't an issue for you.

 

[MrMacphisto]

As I said earlier, a criminal is a criminal, period. She was being disrespectful and verbally abusive and needed to be put in her place. For the last time, the punches were not called for and the cop should be disciplined for that, but the tackle and the restraining was, in my opinion, perfectly justified, because the fucking brat doesn't seem to understand that there are some people you have no right attacking.

We define attacks differently as well. The shoe was rather harmless in its effect on the situation.

I think you're letting emotions cloud your logic here as have many others.

Logically, there is no need to escalate a tense situation. The containment room quite clearly was the most useful tool in this situation and should have been used accordingly.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

lol I found this a tad funny and I don't mean to be making with the jokes but in my pct I knew a few female Officers that could hit harder than me.

I don't think he was talking about how hard the Officer's hit as much as it was about it being a Female on Female situation.

 

[Mister Scruff]

It's not bullocks Scruff. If you are dumb enough to fuck with cops then you deserve to get you ass kicked. Like Viper though I don't think they should have hit her once she was down.

If you're trying to tell me a 15 year old girl deserves to get thrown around like a ragdoll for kicking her shoe at a fully-grown man I disagree strongly. If what you mean is that giving cheek to the police is a bad idea because you're likely to get smashed around then I can follow that; sociopathic loonies able to legitimise their violent sociopathic tendencies with warrant cards and badges are not the best people to mess with.

If this does happen, hopefully, it will while he is on his way to protect somebody you care about.

Given the way this nutter reacted to a 15 year old girl kicking a shoe at him I truly hope he never comes anywhere near anyone I care about.

Of course it is always the way with siv's and the police, people hate them until it is there house that is being broken into.

I'm pretty sure I'd find this case abhorrent even if the officer in questioned had rescued my granny, mammy and sisters from a burning building. Doesn't matter how much of a service you provide to the community or how good your character is, you're still not allowed to get away with doing crimes.

Yeah, he didn't HAVE to tackle her, but it wasn't abusive.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one; if he didn't HAVE to do it how else could it be construed? If I tackle someone's head against the wall in a situation where I don't have to do it it's common assault, would it be otherwise if I had a warrant card in my wallet?

 

[MasterPaladin]

in NYC it would have been female female as here whenever an underage female is in custody there has to be a female Officer present. One would be assigned to her as soon as she walked into the Police Station

 

[Deleted member 66627]

in NYC it would have been female female as here whenever an underage female is in custody there has to be a female Officer present. One would be assigned to her as soon as she walked into the Police Station

Yes. I'm familiar with that, we have the same procedure here.

Given the way this nutter reacted to a 15 year old girl kicking a shoe at him I truly hope he never comes anywhere near anyone I care about.

I understand what you're saying for the most part. Although, again, I didn't see anything wrong with the beginning. She deserved to be punked, but not jumped.

 

[Rorschach Blues]

I don't know if it's just the culture I was raised in, but there are rules and etiquettes as far as full grown men attacking small, underage girls are concerned.

Right at the top of that list is, you should NEVER hit a girl.

On top of that, a standard rule for everyone, you do NOT hit somebody on the deck.

Regardless of what she said, kicking a shoe like that is a minor thing to do. They could have given her back her shoe and locked the door, but they chose to take it personally.

I agree that there are two sides to every story, but come on, she's a teenage girl acting out. Who among us never acted out?

 

[Mister Scruff]

I understand what you're saying for the most part. Although, again, I didn't see anything wrong with the beginning. She deserved to be punked, but not jumped.

And it's necessary to launch a kid like her around the room to punk her?

Right at the top of that list is, you should NEVER hit a girl.

If a woman is legitimately presenting a threat to your health and well-being by her behaviour I see nothing wrong with physically subduing her. That said, trying to convince any reasonable person that this little girl was presenting a threat to these two armed men is a fool's errand.

 

[SlaverTickler]

If you're trying to tell me a 15 year old girl deserves to get thrown around like a ragdoll for kicking her shoe at a fully-grown man I disagree strongly. If what you mean is that giving cheek to the police is a bad idea because you're likely to get smashed around then I can follow that; sociopathic loonies able to legitimise their violent sociopathic tendencies with warrant cards and badges are not the best people to mess with.

I think anybody who is dumb enough to disrespect a cop, who for all we know, was going by the book. Deserves exactly what she got (except of course for the punches after they are down). See it's like I told Crystal Light, if this was a male suspect and the cops roughed him up for being a dick, then most of this anger wouldn't exist.

Given the way this nutter reacted to a 15 year old girl kicking a shoe at him I truly hope he never comes anywhere near anyone I care about.

Ah-Ha... so if it was a 15 year old high school football player who was mouthing off and kicked his shoe at him you would be ok with it then! You sexist bastard!

I'm pretty sure I'd find this case abhorrent even if the officer in questioned had rescued my granny, mammy and sisters from a burning building. Doesn't matter how much of a service you provide to the community or how good your character is, you're still not allowed to get away with doing crimes.

I don't know if you've ever seen the film SWAT. but there is a scene in it where L.L. Cool J takes down a suspect in an ally way. When he does this a lady comes out and say "Ain't y'all got nothin' better to do then take another black man to jail." to witch he replies "We'll see how liberal you are when he breaks into you place." In other word, you hate what he did this time, but there will come a time when you wish he was around to do it for you... not to a teen age girl, but to somebody.

You either allow the inmates to run the asylum or you let the orderlies get rough once and a while. It send a "Don't fuck with us" message. I never had any problems with the cops, because my parents kicked my ass when I was acting like an ass. The truth is this kid should have had her butt kicked by her parents, then she wouldn't have mouthed off to the cops because she would have understood the concept of consequences. They didn't so the police man did it for them.

By the way...
< I love this guy

 

[MrMacphisto]

And it's necessary to launch a kid like her around the room to punk her?



If a woman is legitimately presenting a threat to your health and well-being by her behaviour I see nothing wrong with physically subduing her. That said, trying to convince any reasonable person that this little girl was presenting a threat to these two armed men is a fool's errand.

Agreed...

I understand the tradition of men not hitting women, but since I believe in gender equality, I simply view things from the perspective of whether or not a legitimate threat is presented.

I would also agree that punking the girl might have been very tempting, but it's very unprofessional and is a legal hazard to say the least.