A Masters Creed (not for all - BDSM related - if offended, do not open)

[BellaRisa]

Asking Sincerely

Before one of you asks me how I know what a master would prefer, I'll tell you flat out, I don't know.

This is what I mean. Not one person with negative opinions has spoken from a position of real experience. Folks, please: if you dislike BDSM and don't know about it, leave the discussion to those of us with yrs of real time in the Lifestyle and education on the subject. We DO know. Please, let us discuss it in peace. Thank you.

And BDSMmers: normally I despise it when someone comes along and decides that we should just let something go, my opinion is that if you don't want to read our debate then read elsewhere. But my intincts as a preschool teacher are kicking in; the only way to stop a tantrum is to remove it's audience. Please, lets do ignore the incessant wailing at our feet and continue the adult conversation amongst ourselves. Thank you.

Bella

 

[drew70]

Before one of you asks me how I know what a master would prefer, I'll tell you flat out, I don't know.

This is what I mean. Not one person with negative opinions has spoken from a position of real experience. Folks, please: if you dislike BDSM and don't know about it, leave the discussion to those of us with yrs of real time in the Lifestyle and education on the subject. We DO know. Please, let us discuss it in peace. Thank you.

Not one person with negative opinions about suicide has spoken from a position of real experience, either. I don't need to commit murder, incest, or grand larceny to take a stand and say these actions aren't right. And let's be honest. The only reason you're participating in this discussion is to try and invalidate any reasonable objections. A quick scan of this thread and the Tickling vs Pain thread bears this out.

And BDSMmers: normally I despise it when someone comes along and decides that we should just let something go, my opinion is that if you don't want to read our debate then read elsewhere. But my intincts as a preschool teacher are kicking in; the only way to stop a tantrum is to remove it's audience. Please, lets do ignore the incessant wailing at our feet and continue the adult conversation amongst ourselves. Thank you.

Here's a novel idea. How about continuing the conversation in a....(drum roll please)...A BDSM FORUM!! 😱

 

[Mimi]

Here's a novel idea. How about continuing the conversation in a....(drum roll please)...A BDSM FORUM!! 😱

Here's a novel idea. How about reading the full title of a thread, and not clicking on it if it's not a topic that interests or appeases you!! 😱

 

[asutickler]

That's an extreme that no true practioner would even consider. Doing injury like that is an invitation for the BDSM comunity to report you to the police, blackball you from all clubs, gatherings, websites, have your picture passed around to warn people about you, etc.

Correct. That's why I chose to utilize an extreme situation as an example... There are some things, at least, that everyone here can agree are out of bounds.

What causes problems are other, less extreme situations. What if someone wants to be beaten until they can't walk? Or until bones are broken? Should consent really excuse a person from culpability for such actions? I think not. We as a society act to prevent people from being harmed through consensual activities all of the time. Does anyone here approve of suicide, drug abuse, anorexia, unlicensed medical procedures, or the like? Of course not. Yet all of the activities on that list are done with the full consent of the victim...

I am not by any means saying that all S&M activities are wrong, bad or "evil." What I AM saying is that some of you should really think twice before accepting "consent" as a blanket dismissal of wrongdoing for some of the more extreme elements of S&M.

We are, no matter how you look at it, a BDSM group. We might tickle instead of spank, but we still tie people up or at the least pin them down, and do something to them that many people look upon as sadistic and evil.

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. I, however, could not possibly disagree more. Furthermore, any activity can be "sadistic and evil," depending on how it is used... Even sex. Although it is an innocuous, physically non-harmful activity (as opposed to, say, badly beating someone) tickling someone who sees tickling as "sadistic and evil" really IS sadistic and evil, since they would never give consent to such an act. I see nothing wrong with people engaging in consensual activity that does no harm to any participant. Sadly, some of the more extreme accepted aspects of S&M do not fall into that category.

 

[kis123]

Here's a novel idea. How about reading the full title of a thread, and not clicking on it if it's not a topic that interests or appeases you!! 😱

May I humbly refer to the original disclaimer......

....if offended, do not open!

 

[BellaRisa]

TK=BDSM For Some Players.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tickling_fetishism

http://www.leathernroses.com/generalbdsm/chrismtickletorture.htm

While tickling has nothing to do with BDSM in the minds of some TMF members, for quite a few of us the two are deeply, deeply intwined to the point of being inseperable; the act of submitting to a dominant 'ler is at the core of our fantasies and a huge factor when we play. This is why more BDSM events across the country are having classes on tickling; the topic most definitely belongs here.

Bella

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

I think you need a break from this discussion. Go take a deep breath. Relax. And when you're ready to be reasonable I'll be here.

I am relaxed. If a woman takes pleasure in feeling pleasure/pain then I will ENJOY it with her. You heard me..get over it.

I cheered up a female friend of mine up that was down the other day. I actually made her feel better. ..Man what bastard I am.

 

[Redmage]

i would like to ask this question.... do Doms enjoy giving pain? and those submissives who enjoy receiving the pain. does that make them wrong? i believe myself that if the submissive enjoys having pain, whats the big deal?

There are some subtle shades of meaning here. A Dom is simply someone who enjoys the top side of a D/s dynamic. Such a person may or may not be a sadist. In BDSM terms, a sadist is someone who enjoys giving pain to someone who enjoys receiving it.

That's an important qualifier. For example, I'm a sadist. If my partner eroticizes pain, then it's a great joy for me to see the joy that it gives her. But if my partner isn't into pain, then I don't play that way with her. Likewise, if my partner doesn't enjoy being tickled, then it's no fun for me to tickle her.

it was brought to my attention that both good and bad Doms enjoy giving pain but the good Dom will obey the safeword, no matter how much he would like to continue....

Personally, I would refer to "good and bad" Doms only in the sense of describing their skill, as I might refer to a cook as good or bad. Someone who doesn't respect limits and safewords isn't really a Dominant in my mind, though he or she may play at being one.

Talk about trolls. You pop in here just to call Drew a troll and encourage people to ignore him?? Where was your interest in this conversation 100 posts ago? Go troll somewhere else, Cosmo.

Um, this from someone who's first post on the thread is coming at #124? OK, whatever.

I have a hard time believing that a master's pleasure in hurting a woman ends the minute she gives the safeword, grunt, hand signal, whatever. He's smart enough to honor her request, but given his druthers, I think he'd prefer to continue. Before one of you asks me how I know what a master would prefer, I'll tell you flat out, I don't know. But that's my working hypothesis.

A good hypothesis is based on observations and study of the subject. Near as I can tell, you haven't done any of that, so it might be better to call this a "working guess," or even a "preferred belief."

On the other hand, you're at least willing to admit your ignorance. Considering how this discussion has been going, that's a sign of improvement. So I'm not being sarcastic at all when I say "Good for you."

I am not by any means saying that all S&M activities are wrong, bad or "evil." What I AM saying is that some of you should really think twice before accepting "consent" as a blanket dismissal of wrongdoing for some of the more extreme elements of S&M....I see nothing wrong with people engaging in consensual activity that does no harm to any participant. Sadly, some of the more extreme accepted aspects of S&M do not fall into that category.

Um, I have to admit I don't know what you're talking about. "Accepted" by whom? If you mean "generally accepted within the BDSM community," then I can't think of anything that qualifies under that header that's actually harmful to the people doing it.

And BDSMmers: normally I despise it when someone comes along and decides that we should just let something go, my opinion is that if you don't want to read our debate then read elsewhere. But my intincts as a preschool teacher are kicking in; the only way to stop a tantrum is to remove it's audience. Please, lets do ignore the incessant wailing at our feet and continue the adult conversation amongst ourselves. Thank you.

Probably a good idea. Anyone who could learn better would have done so by now.

 

[Mastertank1]

Not at all

I have known many doms like myself who prefer not to inflict pain at all, and do so only if the sub insists during pre play negotiations. And no, it NOT topping from the bottom to insist on something she wants during pre play negotiations; the roles of Dom and Sub are either not assumed until actual play begins, or in the case of lifestyle players the roles are generally suspended for the duration of the negotiation session.
Personally, I do NOT enjoy giving pain, will go to great effort to avoid causing any accidentally, and will give pain in a scene only to accommodate a sub who has been very insistent about her desire for it.
Mastertank1

We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

 

[drew70]

Here's a novel idea. How about reading the full title of a thread, and not clicking on it if it's not a topic that interests or appeases you!! 😱

May I humbly refer to the original disclaimer......

....if offended, do not open!

Let's get something clear, here, folks. I did read the disclaimer before opening the thread. Indeed it's rather difficult to miss. Now at this point in time, I've only read the thread title, I've not yet opened it. I was not....I repeat NOT OFFENDED IN THE SLIGHTEST at the title of the thread. In fact, all it did was make me curious about what was inside.

So...being unoffended and therefore keeping with the requirements of the disclaimer, I opened the thread and read the "creed." I...laughed...my....ASS...off. It was pure comedy to me. I'd never seen such a hilariously pitiful and ineffectual attempt at whitewashing in my life. As I'm wiping away the tears of mirth, bear in mind, that at that point, I'm still completely UNOFFENDED by the thread, I decided to participate.

I will confess at some point, I did become offended. I was offended at the arrogannt manner by which those who disagreed with my views expressed them, but more so by the pompous implications that anybody who hasn't actually participated in BDSM is "at the feet" of those who have; as well as the equally pompous insistance that only people who've participated in BDSM are permitted an opinion about it. It's just a fetish, it's not like it makes one a better person than those of us who find it unpalatable. 🙄

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

I will confess at some point, I did become offended. I was offended at the arrogannt manner by which those who disagreed with my views expressed them, but more so by the pompous implications that anybody who hasn't actually participated in BDSM is "at the feet" of those who have; as well as the equally pompous insistance that only people who've participated in BDSM are permitted an opinion about it. It's just a fetish, it's not like it makes one a better person than those of us who find it unpalatable. 🙄

*LMAO!!* offended? *rolling eyes and rolling on the floor* offended. *still rolling* NOW THAT IS SOME FUNNY SH*T

 

[kis123]

Let's get something clear, here, folks. I did read the disclaimer before opening the thread. Indeed it's rather difficult to miss. Now at this point in time, I've only read the thread title, I've not yet opened it. I was not....I repeat NOT OFFENDED IN THE SLIGHTEST at the title of the thread. In fact, all it did was make me curious about what was inside.

So...being unoffended and therefore keeping with the requirements of the disclaimer, I opened the thread and read the "creed." I...laughed...my....ASS...off. It was pure comedy to me. I'd never seen such a hilariously pitiful and ineffectual attempt at whitewashing in my life. As I'm wiping away the tears of mirth, bear in mind, that at that point, I'm still completely UNOFFENDED by the thread, I decided to participate.

I will confess at some point, I did become offended. I was offended at the arrogannt manner by which those who disagreed with my views expressed them, but more so by the pompous implications that anybody who hasn't actually participated in BDSM is "at the feet" of those who have; as well as the equally pompous insistance that only people who've participated in BDSM are permitted an opinion about it. It's just a fetish, it's not like it makes one a better person than those of us who find it unpalatable. 🙄

Every comment you have posted has shown nothing but offense to the creed and the practice of BDSM. You posted in your "tickling vs pain" thread to your offense. How can you now say that you weren't offened but saw the need to post countless times your opinons which show nothing but OFFENSE?

You were warned in the most low-key, intelligent manner possible that the material that Mimi posted might be offensive (probably to warn you and those who feel the way you do). Yet you came anyway and posted your opinions anyway. I could ask why would you do that, but at this point it's pretty much moot.

And before you go off on another one of your tangents, I do NOT find BDSM as something I could consider practicing at this time of my life. I was curious on how the "other side" lives and thinks so that's why I opened the link to the thread. I had decided that if I did see something offensive, I was NOT going to comment about it and move on to other threads. Why?? Because I was warned in advance that there might be OFFENSIVE material!

It's like something that took place in OH a week ago. A ten year old kid walked past a power plant. There was a sign that said "danger, high voltage, keep out" right next to a hole in the fence. This kid was with his two teenaged brothers (who both knew how to read and both knew what the sign meant). The kid wiggles through the hole in the fence, walks right up to the transformer and puts his hand on it. Guess what happened next? He's recovering in the hospital with 3rd degree burns over his body.

The moral of the story is: read and obey the signs and you won't get burned.

I await your response, as I know you'll have one, with bated breath.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

*clapping* I applaud you kis and the rest of the gals. Yep, this is me sucking up. Did it work?

 

[kis123]

*clapping* I applaud you kis and the rest of the gals. Yep, this is me sucking up. Did it work?

*whispers softly*

Yeah, it worked.

 

[drew70]

Every comment you have posted has shown nothing but offense to the creed and the practice of BDSM. You posted in your "tickling vs pain" thread to your offense. How can you now say that you weren't offened but saw the need to post countless times your opinons which show nothing but OFFENSE?

Not at all. What I've shown is disapproval, disdain, and perhaps derision, but only for one small aspect of BDSM. You may have been offended by my responses but that is not the same.

You were warned in the most low-key, intelligent manner possible that the material that Mimi posted might be offensive (probably to warn you and those who feel the way you do). Yet you came anyway and posted your opinions anyway.

As I've already explained, I heeded that warning. I do not find the topic of BDSM offensive. I find it fascinating in many respects. Yes, I disagree with certain practices, but that doesn't mean that posting on the subject will offend me. If it's okay with you, I'll be the one to judge what offends me and what doesn't, thank you very much.

I could ask why would you do that, but at this point it's pretty much moot.

Could it be any more moot than asking me these questions I've already answered? Read my last post, it tells why I opened the thread, which by the way, a couple of hundred other people have done as well. 😱

And before you go off on another one of your tangents, I do NOT find BDSM as something I could consider practicing at this time of my life. I was curious on how the "other side" lives and thinks so that's why I opened the link to the thread. I had decided that if I did see something offensive, I was NOT going to comment about it and move on to other threads. Why?? Because I was warned in advance that there might be OFFENSIVE material!

No, that's not what the disclaimer said. It said "(not for all - BDSM related - if offended, do not open)" It never labeled the material as offensive. Since I'm not offended by BDSM I opened it. It's that simple, kis.

It's like something that took place in OH a week ago. A ten year old kid walked past a power plant. There was a sign that said "danger, high voltage, keep out" right next to a hole in the fence. This kid was with his two teenaged brothers (who both knew how to read and both knew what the sign meant). The kid wiggles through the hole in the fence, walks right up to the transformer and puts his hand on it. Guess what happened next? He's recovering in the hospital with 3rd degree burns over his body.

The moral of the story is: read and obey the signs and you won't get burned.

Good advice I always try my best to heed. And because I do, I've yet to get burned. 🙂

By the way, here's a definition of offend from the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language, just to avoid future misunderstandings...

1. To cause displeasure, anger, resentment, or wounded feelings in.
2. To be displeasing or disagreeable to: Onions offend my sense of smell.
3

a) To transgress; violate: offend all laws of humanity.
b) To cause to sin.​

 

[Redmage]

I was offended at the arrogannt manner by which those who disagreed with my views expressed them, but more so by the pompous implications that anybody who hasn't actually participated in BDSM is "at the feet" of those who have; as well as the equally pompous insistance that only people who've participated in BDSM are permitted an opinion about it.

I don't know that anyone can prevent someone else from having an opinion. It's difficult even to prevent them from voicing their opinions. But taking those opinions seriously is anothing thing entirely - there, yes, experience counts. It's almost as though people prefer to learn about something from those who've actually done it. Strange, but true.

Every comment you have posted has shown nothing but offense to the creed and the practice of BDSM. You posted in your "tickling vs pain" thread to your offense. How can you now say that you weren't offened but saw the need to post countless times your opinons which show nothing but OFFENSE?...I await your response, as I know you'll have one, with bated breath.

Kis, by now you should know that any response will be the usual duck and weave and ignoring what he's said before that he perfected long ago. You can keep running around that same old bush with him if you want to, but why?

You've mentioned you're curious about certain aspects of BDSM. If you have any specific curiosities, I expect I and others here will be happy to address them. That'd hopefully be a better use of your time than feeding the troll.

 

[Mimi]

The darling Redmage was kind enough to send along a link to me this morning that has had me squirming in my seat ever since. It's such a delicious read that I've simply got to share it.

And for those who do check it out, be sure to click on the Playfully Threatening Remarks link within the journal. Too cute for words!

Mistress Matisse's Journal

And take note that it is a Female Dominatrix, so as we know from our moral superiors who keep voicing their dissention in every one of our discussions, it's okay and acceptable.

I do love this little snippet here:

"Needless to say: no knife, no rats, no docks, and not very much blood. Just a few drops, really. She giggled through the gag the whole time we were sticking needles in her."

Further demonstrating that what some may define as cruel and unusual punishment (which is exactly what tickling is for many people), can be ultimately pleasurable for others.

Mimi 🙂

 

[Mastertank1]

Come off it Drew70.....

Your ONLY purpose in posting on this thread has been to upset people and provoke hostile responses, and your posts are disguised in just enough psuedo reasonable false logic to utterly infuriate any person who is accustomed to using genuine logic. I conclude that this is no accident, that you are deliberately out to cause upset, anger and acrimony.
Back near the beginning of this thread, I responded to the questions you addressed directly to me, admittedly after a gap of two days because of things that were happening in my offline life.
That response was calmly worded. well reasoned and polite, expressing no anger or other negative emotions. I now realize that that very absence of negative emotions is why you never replied to it or even acknowledged it, because it was not the kind of response you were seeking. Because I was not angry at you, did not call you names or verbally abuse you, you just dismissed what I had to say as uninteresting.

I strongly advise everyone else who wishes to post on this thread, or other threads on similar topics, to simply not respond to anything Drew70 posts. Just ignore him and proceed as though his posts are not there from now on, and maybe he'll just dry up and blow away in the wind.

Mastertank1

We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

 

[drew70]

Your ONLY purpose in posting on this thread has been to upset people and provoke hostile responses, and your posts are disguised in just enough psuedo reasonable false logic to utterly infuriate any person who is accustomed to using genuine logic. I conclude that this is no accident, that you are deliberately out to cause upset, anger and acrimony.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I really am. I'd hoped we could discuss this calmly and rationally, but you seem to be taking the way of the mob mentality. Pity.

Back near the beginning of this thread, I responded to the questions you addressed directly to me, admittedly after a gap of two days because of things that were happening in my offline life.
That response was calmly worded. well reasoned and polite, expressing no anger or other negative emotions. I now realize that that very absence of negative emotions is why you never replied to it or even acknowledged it, because it was not the kind of response you were seeking. Because I was not angry at you, did not call you names or verbally abuse you, you just dismissed what I had to say as uninteresting.

Let me see if I understand, because I missed one post of yours in a thread thats now ten pages, that's all it takes for you to decide I'm completely insincere in my views and am just trolling for a fight? Tank, come on, man. I'm not only dealing with you, but Ticklerguy4u, TicklishLurker, Bella, Redmeat, Mimi, Kis123, and whoever else decides to join the mob. Gimme a freakin break, would you?

I strongly advise everyone else who wishes to post on this thread, or other threads on similar topics, to simply not respond to anything Drew70 posts. Just ignore him and proceed as though his posts are not there from now on, and maybe he'll just dry up and blow away in the wind.

Mastertank1

Yeah, that'll work. It's only been suggested like ten times. Frankly, I wish it would, as I'm weary of responding and my patience is finite. So much for the break. Damn, you really take it personally when somebody doesn't respond to one of your posts. Two words to consider: Anger Management.

Okay....I found the post I missed. God, no wonder I missed it. You didn't even quote me properly. Perhaps if you'd have at least included my name, I'd have stood a better chance of seeing that it applied to me.

First let me mention that I base these replies not so much on personal experience, as I have seldom given pain to a sub, but I have observed many, many scenes involving pain. When the first hetero BDSM club in NYC opened, a place called Chateau 19 on west 19th street in Chelsea, I was the bouncer, and got to observe a great many different couples and groups interacting. Later, I was also the bouncer at the New York Hellfire club and got to observe even more.

Interesting. May I ask during what time period this occurred?

Most Doms I observed, both male and female, 'shared pleasure' by interspersing the blows or pinches with carresses and kisses, and teases, and sometimes both at the same time. They generally made sure the sub climaxed before taking their own pleasure, if they even did so. Some of them preferred to reserve their own climax for later, in private.

Yeah, that was the one thing that creeped me out almost as much as the sadistic looks on the faces of the wielders. That at some point, the both of them would just go ahead and squirt jizz right there in the club in front of everybody.

Just BTW, I have seen several BDSM couples break up because the dom was NOT willing to give as much pain and or brutality as the sub was asking for, but only once because the reverse was true.

Again, interesting, but understandable. With the exception of Redmage, the guys here at the TMF who participate as tops in BDSM seem to have some character to them, and I'm convinced would only go so far, if at all.

 

[kis123]

Drew

You saw the subject matter was something you find objectionable, yet decided to post your anti-BDSM views. They were not in line with Mimi's original post and I'm surprised that the mods haven't censored you yet. Then again......

Second, I'm not in a mob with anyone! Gimme a break-anyone who doesn't completely agree with you 100% is against you in some mob? How long has it been since high school because that's the last place I've seen such an imature attitude over an issue.

You weren't invited and your anti BDSM sentiments weren't invited here. You made your own ''tickling vs pain" thread where you can vent all you want. Why come here, spew and vent, then call those who disagree with you having a "mob mentality?" I'm a free-thinking individual who chooses to open my mind to new experiences. If I didn't feel that way, I wouldn't even be here on the TMF!

You knew exactly what you were doing when you decided to post here. You knew that you were going to be met with exactly what you got. You had your 15 minutes of fame and then some-you had your spotlight in a thread where your posts are completely opposite of what this thread was designed for, yet you blame those of us who don't see your point of yiew.

I initially found these things to be disturbing, yet I'm coming to the conclusion that I could type my fingers broken and you'll continue your rhetoric and post in a thread that you NEVER should've posted in the first place. You'll continue to write and pull whatever arguments out of the air. And if that doesn't work, you'll just resort to whatever juvenille playground tactic you can find in order to keep it going. You claim your patience is finite, I dare to say otherwise because if it was finite, you would've left by now.

As long as I and a few others who obviously haven't "gotten it" continue to respond to you, you will continue to pick the posts apart and twist it to whatever you can defend.

Since it won't change my mind, why bother to continue further with this banter? My girlfriend said it best over 18 years ago and it continues to this day:

"you can't change ignorance with a few words!"

This is kis with what will be the last unimportant and irrevelant response in this thread. I've said repeatedly that if you didn't have anything to support Mimi's original post, you should've moved on. Obviously the obvious doesn't apply to you.

 

[Ticklerguy4u]

I strongly advise everyone else who wishes to post on this thread, or other threads on similar topics, to simply not respond to anything Drew70 posts. Just ignore him and proceed as though his posts are not there from now on, and maybe he'll just dry up and blow away in the wind.

Mastertank1

We who play and dance are thought mad by they who hear no music.

Drew who?! Hey that's funny..Drew-hoo! Its like a generic yoo-hoo.

 

[drew70]

Drew

You saw the subject matter was something you find objectionable, yet decided to post your anti-BDSM views. They were not in line with Mimi's original post and I'm surprised that the mods haven't censored you yet. Then again......

Kis. Let's remember that the disclaimer said "if offended, don't open." I wasn't offended. Did I find the material objectionable. Well how am I to know until I open the thread and read it? As it stands, I didn't find it objectionable. Now, to me "objectionable" would mean that I felt it shouldn't have been posted...that I "object" to the posting of it. I didn't object. I found it silly, absurd, and ridiculous, but not objectionable. My first response in the thread quoted Mimi's creed LINE FOR LINE, so how can you say it wasn't in line with Mimi's post? I think what you mean to say is that I didn't react to the post in the same spirit in which it posted. Well gee, sorry about that. If you post something, shouldn't people be allowed to share what they really feel about it, and not just fawn over the poster? "Oh that's so wonderful, Mimi! Oh, that's so touching Mimi!" If you read the Golden Rule, it says clearly that we're allowed to disagree as long as we're not abusive toward the poster about it. So Mimi really has no business posting a thread to which she only invites people who agree with her.

Second, I'm not in a mob with anyone! Gimme a break-anyone who doesn't completely agree with you 100% is against you in some mob? How long has it been since high school because that's the last place I've seen such an imature attitude over an issue.

Whoa, slow down there just a minute. I never said you were in a mob. I said that to Mastertank1, not to you. I said it to him because he has decided to join the mob of people in this thread (of which I never thought of as including you) who've heaped flames, insults, and an endorsement to boycott, directed toward me simply because I insist that it's wrong for a man to hurt a woman. Not that any of it matters to me at all. As you can see, I'm still here in all my good cheer. 😀

You weren't invited and your anti BDSM sentiments weren't invited here.

You're right. I wasn't invited. Neither were you. Neither was anybody else. We all just free-loaded our way into the thread and made ourselves at home. How is this different from any other thread on this forum? Since when do we need to be "invited"? And please don't say "You know what I meant." Assume I don't know and explain it to me.

You made your own ''tickling vs pain" thread where you can vent all you want. Why come here, spew and vent, then call those who disagree with you having a "mob mentality?" I'm a free-thinking individual who chooses to open my mind to new experiences. If I didn't feel that way, I wouldn't even be here on the TMF!

Free-think away, by all means. And I already explained what I meant by the mob mentality, which never was applied to you. But if you're allowed to voice your thoughts freely, why can't I?

You knew exactly what you were doing when you decided to post here. You knew that you were going to be met with exactly what you got. You had your 15 minutes of fame and then some-you had your spotlight in a thread where your posts are completely opposite of what this thread was designed for, yet you blame those of us who don't see your point of yiew.

How many ways can I say it? I....DON'T...BLAME...YOU....KIS!

I initially found these things to be disturbing, yet I'm coming to the conclusion that I could type my fingers broken and you'll continue your rhetoric and post in a thread that you NEVER should've posted in the first place. You'll continue to write and pull whatever arguments out of the air.

Now you are doing what Mastertank1 and the others are doing. Assuming my opinions and arguments are insincere. I don't know what else you could mean by "pull whatever arguments out of the air."

And if that doesn't work, you'll just resort to whatever juvenille playground tactic you can find in order to keep it going. You claim your patience is finite, I dare to say otherwise because if it was finite, you would've left by now.

Do you want to know why I'm still here? I'm answering all of the attacks, questions, and derision aimed at me. I just went through this entire thread and counted my posts. Including this one, I count 22 posts. Of those 22, only three of them were unsolicited opinions thrown out there for discussion purposes. The other 19 posts are answers to questions, defenses against personal attacks, or a response to other comments directed to me in some way. And the bitch of it is, I didn't even get to them all, which upset Mastertank1 enough to incite a boycott. The sooner you all stop trying to change my mind, the sooner we can all let this ridiculous thread die.

 

[Redmage]

The darling Redmage was kind enough to send along a link to me this morning that has had me squirming in my seat ever since. It's such a delicious read that I've simply got to share it.

And for those who do check it out, be sure to click on the Playfully Threatening Remarks link within the journal. Too cute for words!

Mistress Matisse's Journal

I'm glad you liked it, Mimi. I haven't read nearly all of her entries yet, but she's got a good sense of humor about all of this. One of her subs, Roman, is a bondage top who's been known to do some pretty mean things himself. It sounds from her posts (and from the things he posts on his own blog) as though he has a lot of fun on the Top side too. They're both good exemplars of many of the principles in the Creed that started this thread, so those interested can see just how it plays out in the lives of real people.

 

[RobAce]

So this is what the hub-bub is all about.
Far be it from me to enter my dollar and two cents worth here, but as I have now completed my 7th day of no smoking (Im doing good!) and spent the last hour or so reading this entire thread I have noticed quite a few trends and had one or two "makes me say hmmmm" thoughts.
Let me summarize.
First off, everyone....and I mean EVERYONE has there diffrent ideas of what is enjoyable, pleasureable, painful and disdainful. And yes...color it however you want...pain is pain, tickling is tickling. But there are those that would rather get their fingers bashed in a door than to be tickled. Im not an idiot...and neither are many people who read this thread....sheesh this and the "family" thing I posted got me MORE pm's and emails then Ive ever had. People wondering why I hadnt put anything in writing here. Normal (not saying that being not normal is bad) people never put tickling and pain into the same jar. SO we can cut that defense. I mean when you where a kid would you rather be tickled or spanked when youd misbehave. (OK maybe there are some that would rather be tickled), but believe me if my child misbehave AND IF I DO have to discpline them Im sure as hell not going to tickle them to show them that they misbehaved and Im sure not many other parents would either.
People here are spending a lot of time shooting venom at one another..just one a little more obvious than the other...but its there on both sides. Im not huge in BDSM, and my parents sure as hell werent..but Id never call them "vanilla". Thats just a PC way of giving an insult..if your gonna throw out an insult, do it..dont patronize it.
And I mean..the whole "Feed the Troll" thing, I mean grow up. You can have a disagreement with someone and agree to disagree without it becoming a "popularity contest".
On the flip side...if you insult someone's lifestlye your gonna get some hostile answers. Drew I like you, and weve never had an ill word, but you do tend at times to play a "holier than thou" role thats usually my job to play in the P&R. State your opinions, make sure that people know they are only your opinions and dont mock people for not having the "moral insight" you do. You know, I was brought up the same way you were...I still think its wrong to hit a woman. The several times my soon to be ex-wife punched me I let it slide because I could never, ever hit woman. But I dont think that just because Samuel Spanksalot has a orgasm everytime he spanks Sally Sorebuns hard enough to leave a red mark makes Samuel an "abuser" or "a monster". Not to say you said those words or accused anyone on this thread of being so. And just because people in the thread dont use the pointed language you do is no reason to belittle them. Because eventually someone else who has a grasp of the english language (I might not spell right however) will come in an multitide of phrases will alliterate the ability to understand and ask questions or even make a statement be it positive or negative about a subject and not offend those that would defend the subject.
Its called tact. Now then there are soooo many people riled up over something Mimi wanted to bring to light. Honestly I never knew such a thing existed. And at first I did find it amusing...it would be like a creed between the peer and the one who likes recieving golden showers.
1.)I promise not to eat chilli peppers before I pee on you.
2.)I promise not to pee in your open mouth unless you ask me too.
3.)I promise not to pee in your eyes unless you ask me too....
yada yada yada. (by the way I am not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone who likes giving/recieving golden showers)
But honestly after thought its a good thing to see that people that want that kind of a relationship or lifestyle actually take the time to have a set of rules and understanding between each other.
When it comes to tickling I can see a similarity between BDSM and tickling, just not a direct correlation. I dont fall into the "vanilla" or "chocolate" catergory as people here have tastily put it...Im more of a Mango Sherbert kinda guy.
When it comes to BDSM....Im not into it...I dont like pain, plus my medical condition makes it hard for me to feel those kind of things on the skin at times. But never would I intend to insult someone who is into such a lifestyle and if I did I would make it clear I was being general and not intending personal admonishment of anyone in particular.
After all there are thing we all like that someone else including those into BDSM would be appaled over, its just choosing not to engage in it yourself.
And if you dont crusade against it...it doesn't mean you approve either.

Rob

 

[The Sean Man]

Christ....I've spoken for years about how society divides itself willingly over race, religion, sexual orientation, financial status, etc....and now we're divided by our preference of FETISHES?

I'm moving to the fuckin' desert.