Anyone here for animal rights?

[*~Game Girl~*]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone here support animal rights? I sure as hell do! In my town, I have been known as one of the raging animal activists...I despise anyone who abuses animals...I even got pissed off at my parents for setting mouse traps around our house. (i found all the traps and destroyed them)

I'm also a hardcore vegetarian. XD Cause I believe eating animals is wrong.

Anyone else feel as strongly for animals as I do?

 

[Red Jester]

I love animals.




....with gravy!



Actually I am a vegetarian, but its primarily because its healthier. Obviously I'm against animal cruelty, but if someone wants to eat a cow they're more than welcome to it.

 

[Goodieluver]

I am 100% against animal cruelty, primarily with dogs

However, i have no qualms about eating meat or hunting or pest\vermin control

 

[Bugman]

I am 100% against animal cruelty, primarily with dogs

However, i have no qualms about eating meat or hunting or pest\vermin control

A senseible and resonable outlook,i share you view.Having been in the pest control business for several years i know how rodents can cause a great deal of damage and spread illness.

 

[Speedbump]

I love animals.




....with gravy!



Actually I am a vegetarian, but its primarily because its healthier. Obviously I'm against animal cruelty, but if someone wants to eat a cow they're more than welcome to it.

Being a vegetarian does not guarantee being healthier. Eating meat is not unhealthy, it's just how you eat it. Like for chicken, all the bad stuff is in the skin and stuff. If you eat it with the skin, or you buy it from somewhere where it's breaded and deep fried or whatever, then obviously it's gonna be horrible for you. Eating it without skin, there is nothing wrong with it, and it's healthy.

Also, fish (most) are like the healthiest things to eat, but you probably don't count that as meat.

Though really, you're not supposed to eat meat with every meal. And I don't know would. In any case, fish (if counted) and chicken are the only meat I eat. Sometimes turkey, but rarely. Everything else just tastes bad. Mix 'em with veggies and you're livin' healthy, sucka.

Also, game girl, did you know that animals eat other animals? They obviously don't care about each other as much as you claim to care about them. Kinda dumb for you to get rid of those perfectly good mouse traps though. But you know what I do? I put chocolate on the floor, and the mice usually go for it and die. :O

PS: I am against people eating dogs and cats and stuff, though. I mean seriously. Come on. I said come ooooooooon, man.

 

[*~Game Girl~*]

Kinda dumb? >=O Oh sure..These mice ain't exactly good for our health...but they don't deserve such inhumane treatment..Why kill a mouse, when you can just catch it and release it back outside...and don't give me this 'It'll come back' crap. >=( Why the hell would anyone want to kill a cute little mouse?

Seriously though. Thinka bout what your doing the next time your thinking about killing a mouse or a rat...Your basically killing it for merely living...They have done nothing wrong.

 

[kered]

Sadly Game girl, every organic thing one consumes has to die whether it be animal or plant. That is just the way it is. I do not condone outright cruelty to animals but that cow or chicken was raised for a specific purpose, just like a field of corn or soybeans. Some scientist believe that plants can feel pain also. If this is the case then one could presume that a stalk of celery is in distress when eaten. Quite a conumdrum, huh.

 

[Bugman]

If you can manage to catch a mouse or a rat alive,and set it loose outside its going to come back inside to the nest.I have seen mice and rats eat through walls to get into a house,and eat through floors,cabinets etc when they get inside a home.If you want to live with that its up to you,but most people don't wish to.Would you like to see a child bitten by a rat?It happens,and its not a pretty picture i can assure you.

 

[Dave2112]

Gotta go with Bugman on this one. Now, before I say anything else...you don't really know me, but I've been kinda known as the TMF's resident animal nut. I have 12 cats (18 at one point), three dogs and a myriad of other smallish animals. All of them except the puppy are rescues. I've spent over a thousand dollars on insulated, heated doghouses for the monsters that just can't live inside for one reason or another...more thousands on shots, neuterings, spayings, emergency vet trips, surgeries where most people would have put the animal down...you name it, I've done it.

But, I'm also a realist when it comes to everything's place in the animal kingdom, and that includes Man. Everything has its place in the food chain, including us. Yes, we are the only animal with a true choice, but the Chain exists for a reason. In the long run, odd as it may sound, it's for the benefit of all living things. Spiders....can't stand them and I'm deathly allergic to them. But, unless I really have to, I don't kill them. They get rid of the pest insects. If they're up on the ceiling with a little web and not buggin' me, I don't usually worry. Now, a big honkin' monster on the inside of my shower curtain has a date with D-Con.

The rat thing. Hun, I live between two corn fields. I have seen the damage rats can cause a house. And yes, they do come back in if you manage to catch them and put them outside. I've personally seen the same rat come right back in after I let it go. (I once thought that way, but age and experience have widened my views, as hard as the actual killing of any animal is to me.) I've spend hundreds of dollars repairing holes in my siding, over my foundation, in my foundation...and once, I had a major infestation and had to take a beloved cat to the vet for serious treatment when she got into a nasty nest in the basement. Cat vs. Rat is easy...Cat vs. 20 rats...not so much.

I'm pretty easy to get along with in the animal kingdom, and I'd like to personally maim people who get thier kicks from arbitrarily hurting an animal for no reason...and testing make-up ain't a reason. Medical research, I'm on the fence on...it's case by case with me. Generally, I'm against it, but there are a few exceptions. The downside of living in a real world. If I had my way in a perfect world, we'd all live in harmony, and I try to live that way unless all other options have been exhausted.

 

[Speedbump]

Kinda dumb? >=O Oh sure..These mice ain't exactly good for our health...but they don't deserve such inhumane treatment..Why kill a mouse, when you can just catch it and release it back outside...and don't give me this 'It'll come back' crap. >=( Why the hell would anyone want to kill a cute little mouse?

Seriously though. Thinka bout what your doing the next time your thinking about killing a mouse or a rat...Your basically killing it for merely living...They have done nothing wrong.

If they're being a pain in the ass and bringing down my quality of life in any way, then they're doing wrong by me. That just happens to be all they do.

By the way, if you release a mouse outside, chances are it's going to die anyway. They can't survive in the wilderness easily. So, they'll either return to your house, or another's, and they might be killed over there as well.

It's really a choice of whether or not you wanna live with it in your house, 'cause if you don't, the only options you have is killing the mouse, honestly.

 

[chicago]

I eat meat, and if I could afford it, I'd wear fur and leather.

I don't think it's wrong. Other animals eat other animals, and steak is good.

I respect those that believe otherwise, but only if they're not shoving their opinions down my throat.

 

[ViperGTS]

Okay, I am going to make someone upset here, and I just know it.

First of all: mice are cute, but they are pests. Once they make a nest in a home, they are there until they die, one way or the other. And because of the damage they can cause, the sooner they are killed the better. Therefore, killing a mouse in your home is not an arbitrary thing, as the OP seems to believe. It's a preventative measure. And when she says, "then you should mouse proof your house first", I would recommend she look at bugman's post. They eat walls.

Secondly: If you make a personal choice to not eat meat, that's fine. I have no problem with vegetarians. But when these animal 'activists' start getting up in arms about the eating of cows for sustinance, I start feeling the urge to pull on their ears. Steaks tastes incredible when it's made right. Hamburgers are great if they are fresh. Besides, there's the nutritional values to think about, AND, personally, I like the idea that something died to maintain my life.

To each their own. I just get upset when others tell me what's wrong about what I'm doing, lol.

 

[Goodieluver]

Kinda dumb? >=O Oh sure..These mice ain't exactly good for our health...but they don't deserve such inhumane treatment..Why kill a mouse, when you can just catch it and release it back outside...and don't give me this 'It'll come back' crap. >=( Why the hell would anyone want to kill a cute little mouse?

Seriously though. Thinka bout what your doing the next time your thinking about killing a mouse or a rat...Your basically killing it for merely living...They have done nothing wrong.

You can use the same argument of how can you release a mouse into the wild where it can be more easily hunted by other prey

Its the animal kingdom and human is the top of the food chain

What shark or lion would want to kill\eat a cute lady that has not done anything wrong

Also, mice\rats breed insanely and can cause massive disease and other issues(rats were a related issue to the black plague) and can decimate food in a region if they run unchecked

 

[RobAce]

Hate me if you want....but I agree with Dennis Miller, who a few years ago put it like this.........

"If hooking a monkey's brain to a car battery means no one dies of AIDS in 20 years then I have 2 things to say. Red is positive and black is negative."

Now there is a difference to me between legitimate science and outright cruelty.
I eat meat and enjoy it, I could never be a vegetarian. Not my style.
To those who do not eat meat.....fine with me. Leaves more of the tasty stuff for me.
I do have to say however I admire their willpower and conviction.

Rob

 

[johnttickle]

But, I'm also a realist when it comes to everything's place in the animal kingdom, and that includes Man. Everything has its place in the food chain, including us. Yes, we are the only animal with a true choice, but the Chain exists for a reason. In the long run, odd as it may sound, it's for the benefit of all living things. Spiders....can't stand them and I'm deathly allergic to them. But, unless I really have to, I don't kill them. They get rid of the pest insects. If they're up on the ceiling with a little web and not buggin' me, I don't usually worry. Now, a big honkin' monster on the inside of my shower curtain has a date with D-Con.

The rat thing. Hun, I live between two corn fields. I have seen the damage rats can cause a house. And yes, they do come back in if you manage to catch them and put them outside. I've personally seen the same rat come right back in after I let it go. (I once thought that way, but age and experience have widened my views, as hard as the actual killing of any animal is to me.) I've spend hundreds of dollars repairing holes in my siding, over my foundation, in my foundation...and once, I had a major infestation and had to take a beloved cat to the vet for serious treatment when she got into a nasty nest in the basement. Cat vs. Rat is easy...Cat vs. 20 rats...not so much.

I'm pretty easy to get along with in the animal kingdom, and I'd like to personally maim people who get thier kicks from arbitrarily hurting an animal for no reason...and testing make-up ain't a reason. Medical research, I'm on the fence on...it's case by case with me. Generally, I'm against it, but there are a few exceptions. The downside of living in a real world. If I had my way in a perfect world, we'd all live in harmony, and I try to live that way unless all other options have been exhausted.

I love animals’ big time, and I totally agree with what Dave2112 posted here. Thanks Dave for saving me the time to write just about the same thing.

Mahalo and Aloha, John

 

[steph]

Yep. Davefan here too, the sequel~couldn't have said it better.
XOXO

I love animals’ big time, and I totally agree with what Dave2112 posted here. Thanks Dave for saving me the time to write just about the same thing.

Mahalo and Aloha, John

 

[Capnmad]

*dons Cletus The Slack-Jawed Yokel voice (from The Simpsons)*: I likes animal rights! I likes my animal rights on my plates!

A friend of mine has a bumper sticker that reads something akin to: "Vegetables aren't food. Vegetables are what food eats."

Myself, I'm a hard-line ominivore, and was born with the dental profile to match. And I'm not going to argue with my teeth. They bite. I'm not winning that fight.

I'm not beyond trying the vegetarian thing, but I just don't see myself staying with it long. There would be a tomato and portobello mushroom massacre the likes of which has never been seen by mankind. Besides, I've seen the things put forth as pseudo-meat. I had a cheesesteak made of seitan. Just not the same...

Enter Dana Carvey as "The Church Lady": What's that in your cheesesteak? Could it be... SEITAN?!

(Yes, I just referenced "The Church Lady". I feel old.)

Not as evil as it sounds, mind you, but no substitute for real meat.

That said, eating meat isn't synonymous with animal cruelty. I don't condone animal cruelty, don't like it, but there are limitations for pharmaceutical testing if they don't use animals. I find furriers of ermine, mink, chinchilla and whatnot wasteful. However, animals bred for a purpose can be used well and less wastefully -- cattle provide milk, beef, leather; sheep -- mutton, wool, leather. They can be raised humanely and slaughtered with a minimum of suffering.

I echo most everything Dave said, as well.

But for the record, I feel sympathy for mice, too. Last time I had a mouse problem, I set live (humane) traps, and when I got them, I drove the mice, traps and all, out to a park about 5 miles away, and set them free. If they can get back to my house from there, they deserve it.

 

[Fire_Sprite]

Why the hell would anyone want to kill a cute little mouse?

Statements like that tend to ruin the credibility of the animal rights activist. If it was a legitimate belief about the equality of animals and humans, then you have a proper foundation to argue your stance. But now its about how damn adorable they are. Its gross to eat the flesh of a cow because they're cute, friendly, and so friggin huggable. However, that's a purely emotional response that be dismissed or ignored by anyone who disagrees with you.

That being said, I'm with Red Jester in the abstaining of contaminating my body with the charred flesh of lesser species! Although I do still eat eggs, milk, and hippies.

 

[isabeau]

we had a mouse one year...and i wanted the humane way of taking care of the problem..meaning capture it/she/he and taking it outside..that was the year our cat stevie was very old and the mouse would run right by her..lol..david wanted to put out d-con but i hated what that would do to it..i believe the mouse had quite a family in my home as everytime the d-con would be empty..finally david found out where the mice were coming in and closed it off...i would hate to think what would happen now if a mouse got in...chelsea is a very different story from stevie..

i am for animal rights..as i love my pet more than most people..and i believe they have rights as well as anything else God put on this earth..

 

[Capnmad]

That being said, I'm with Red Jester in the abstaining of contaminating my body with the charred flesh of lesser species! Although I do still eat eggs, milk, and hippies.

Then you acknowledge the equality or superiority of hippies to yourself? Interesting!

I appreciate your views, Game Girl, but it always fascinates me when someone posts a sign espousing their condemnation of animal cruelty with a font that looks like it was written in blood. I get the emphasis you and others are trying to make, but it seems to me that such a font would be at least equally well used (if not better) in a sign advertising the new "SAW" movie, or one reading, "I support serial killers!" Just a font thing, really, but I wonder if it's more effective at attracting folks to your cause, or scaring them away.

I think this is something that PETA doesn't really get. I used to kind of like them, at least a bit -- or at least, my once-notion of them. But they try at once to guilt or frighten people out of wearing fur or eating meat, while trying to draw people to their cause. I think ultimately, they're dumbfounded and infuriated that more don't join them, and it fires up more extremist measures. If they dropped the guerilla tactics they pursue for publicity and shock-value and tried a softer approach, they'd probably grow more empathy for the plight of animals.

 

[Bugman]

I think this is something that PETA doesn't really get. I used to kind of like them, at least a bit -- or at least, my once-notion of them. But they try at once to guilt or frighten people out of wearing fur or eating meat, while trying to draw people to their cause. I think ultimately, they're dumbfounded and infuriated that more don't join them, and it fires up more extremist measures. If they dropped the guerilla tactics they pursue for publicity and shock-value and tried a softer approach, they'd probably grow more empathy for the plight of animals.


Indeed.Like other extremest groups they don't seem to understand that their in your face tactics and the moral superiority they assign to themselves does far more harm then good to their cause.

 

[Dave2112]

Just for the record....I don't kill rats because they're rodents and therefore lower than me on the evolutionary ladder. I kill them because they are dangerous pests.

Among the many, many animals I've cared for have been a ton of rodent-related-type creatures. I once even nursed a hamster back to health. I've had rabbits, hamsters, mice and even a pet rat. Rats bred for being pets are very cute and very smart. So, it's not just a "cute" thing. It's a damage thing. Wild rats are a pain in the ass and will take over your house if you try and play nicey-nice with them. It's what they do. It's ALL they do. It's how they managed to survive when the dinosaurs went extinct. It's how they've stayed relatively the same for over 60 million years.

I think groups like PETA and such have their hearts in the right place, but often refuse to look at things with any sort of Balance. And we all know how I am about Balance. I do believe that as the dominant species on the planet, we have a responsibility to the animals we share it with. But, we have to balance that with our own survival and comfort. I don't pee in a rat's nest, and I don't want them making holes in my walls.

 

[locker669]

I don't think it's wrong. Other animals eat other animals, and steak is good.

I respect those that believe otherwise, but only if they're not shoving their opinions down my throat.

I agree. Also I don't feel that fruits and vegatables fill me up enough that I could stop eating meat.

 

[Mz Chaos]

I am doing my best to contribute to the ecological balance of our world and it's atmosphere.

Therefore I eat meat.

The way I see it... cows produce methane. If we didn't control the population of cows, the methane they produce would destroy our air.

So, I am doing what I can for mankind, by eliminating that which could hurt me, my family and all of the others with whom I share this planet.

You see... my meat-eating might even be viewed as my contribution to the Global Good.

As far as harming critters, I see no sense in the useless cruelty some people inflict. To cause pain and suffering in another creature is just wrong... unless, of course, the pain and suffering were directed towards a couple of my ex-BF's... then it would be okay.

As far as varmints are concerned, they got all of the great outdoors to live in... they can stay the hell out of my little 1500 sq ft.

And about hunting... well... I whole heartedly believe in the 'eat or be eaten law" of the forest. My ancestors certainly didn't claw their way towards the top the food chain just so I could eat carrots and peas.

You're welcome to eat or not eat whatever you wish...

But as far as I'm concerned... life is too short for me to not to enjoy every morsel and savor every bite of it... even if some of those bites comes at the expense of a cow.

 

[Bizkit]

I am definately for animal rights.Everyone will have opposing views on this subject.I am not a vegetarian,it conflicts too much with the exercise lifestyle I have lived with for the last 10 years.I am slowly weening out certain foods but it will take sometime.I never eat fast food at all anymore because of the animal abuse in the industry.A lot of the people who oppose animal rights probably dont see what really goes on.I dont consider myself faint of heart by any means but I cant watch some of the animal abuse clips for more than several minutes before I am totally sickened and heart brokened.If you can watch a live animal get its skin and fur ripped and torn off while it is hanging in the air kicking and screaming and not have a problem with that than you really need some help.That is not even half of what goes on.I dont disagree with eating meat its the what the animals half to endure that makes it unacceptable.I see it as another failure of mankind.I am not religious but in Gods eyes this world is as much theirs as it is ours.If there is a god he is probably looking down thinking what have I created?