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But as good as Piper was, now that I think about it, he had nothing on the greatest intercontinental champ of all time, The Honky Tonk Man. He didn't even have to TALK, people hated him on sight!
Oh, to see that clip of him braining Jake The Snake with that guitar again....

The Sean Man
 
Greatest ever IC champ of all time was the Ultimate Warrior. Remember he beat honky at Summer Slam 88 in approximately 11 seconds? 😀 Jim Hellwig is a fucking idiot of a man, but he was great fun to watch in the ring. Appropriately nick-named Captain Schitzo by Bobby Heenan.
 
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BigJim said:
Greatest eer Ic champ of all time was the Ultimate Warrior. Remember he beat honky at Summer Slam 88 in approximately 11 seconds? 😀 Jim Hellwig is a fucking idiot of a man, but he was great fun to watch in the ring. Appropriately nick-named Captain Schitzo by Bobby Heenan.

To quote Jesse Ventura: "This man is a complete lunatic." Lololololol

His match with Hogan was one of my all time favorites.

And his speeches? Well, uh, okay, Warrior...whatever you say, bud🙂

I just wish I could find him in the WWE's new line of classic wrestler figures.

The Sean Man
 
You won't find him there. He owns the copyright to his character, it's appearance and the entrance music. He also hates Vince's guts. (Maybe he's not so bad after all.) He is in the most recent addition of Legends of Wrestling though. I think I might get that game.
 
The Sean Man said:
Sure, he's been unpredictable all his life, but even wrestling sites and people who've interviewed him say he goes off on tangents that have nothing to do with the conversation or situation at hand.
I'm remember hearing of a show about a year back where, in the middle of some in-ring mike work building up a match later on, he suddenly went on a rant about how Vince McMahon killed Owen Hart. People there were scratching there heads and wondering what the hell he was talking about.
I miss the Piper of old. The guy could get people riled up like nobody's business. Personally, I loved it...the Hogan thing was getting old fast, and the coconut incident was one of the most jaw-dropping moments in wrestling.

"Let's feed the monkey a banana"

The Sean Man

Yeah, but that just makes him even better. Its a shame Piper was a little ahead of my time. I didn't really get into wrestling until like 1990-1991. And by that time he was gone along with some of the other interesting wrestlers. So I really can't say I've had the pleasure of watching his antics live or on t.v. The only way I know him is through classic matches, etc. and the short comeback he made, they I mentioned earlier. Or maybe he was still there but I was too young to remember him. Without the kilt he sort of blends in with the other jobbers.

But even then, this was enough for me to like him. Anyone know if he has an autobiography, any dvds or such? I'd like to learn even more about him.


Oh! I have another question! What ever happened to that really tall guy, he was like the tallest man in the business. Giant Gonzalez was his name right? That dude was huge! He was like 7 foot 11 inches! I heard he left because of ankle complications, but can anyone give me a brief history of this guy? Or was he just this amazing wonder than only lasted for a while and he wasn't a mainstay on the roster?

And wheres the Big Show? Did his contract expire too? Smackdown would have us believe that he agree to leave because he swore he would if he couldn't beat Eddie. Although I'm smart enough to know there has to be more to it. Was Paul looking for a way out? Is he retired? Whats going on with him?
 
Paul Wight probably left because he was sick of the punters throwing lumps of dog shit at him. :blaugh:
 
BigJim said:
You won't find him there. He owns the copyright to his character, it's appearance and the entrance music.

Warrior is in the action figure line, and it's been advertised in ToyFare magazine for two months now. And even cooler, real cloth tassles around his arms and boots!

The Sean Man
 
Celtic_Emperor said:
What ever happened to that really tall guy, he was like the tallest man in the business. Giant Gonzalez was his name right? That dude was huge! He was like 7 foot 11 inches!

And wheres the Big Show?

I think I was the only person who liked the outfit Giant Gonzalex wore in the WWF. That weird muscly, furry suit made him look pretty creepy. I thought his feud with the Undertaker was pretty entertaining.

Big Show had surgery recently. He's dropped 30 pounds and is recovering nicely.

The Sean Man
 
I remember Giant Gonzales, wish he stuck around longer. He really was huge and that whacked-out body suit was something to see.

So what did Big Show have surgery for?


Drew
 
Thanks for the info all.

So did Big Show leave because he needed the surgery and time to recover from it, or did he leave because he needed the surgery and doesn't plan to return?

As for Giant Gonzales, wasn't he like the tallest one? Even bigger than Andre? I can't believe they let this one go! Not to de-humanize him or anything, but he was a freak of nature! That would have made money! Lots and lots of money! But then again, people of his size and height, like Andre, often suffer from diseases or disorders, and end up having to retire early because it's a health risk.

Actually, speaking of the Undertaker/ Gonzales fued, I actually planned to go and see that live, but I guess we made a mistake and ended up buying tickets for the next event. It was either that, or they changed the card on us. I think that might have happened. Because I remember wanting to go to see that match, which I'm assuming was one of several between them. This was when I was a kid, so maybe I'm not remembering it correctly. We did end up seeing the Undertaker though, and his match with Lex Lugar. And thinking about it now, if I hadn't gone to that event, I wouldn't have met Lugar at a gas station before the event and got his autograph.

This was at the Arrowhead Pond of Anaheim California, by the way.
 
Giant Gonzalez was cut for one reason: he couldn't wrestle. Sure, he was tall, but he was about as graceful and coordinated as a scarecrow. Even Vince, who has a long and storied history of pushing useless lumps simply on the basis of their height and physique, couldn't ignore how very bad he was.

Speaking of useless lumps: I'm sure Show will be back once he recovers from his knee surgery.
 
Who cares if he couldn't wrestle?! All he'd have to do is some body slams, chokeslams, throwing people across the ring, etc. It was something that the Undetaker had to actually look up at him, and not just a little bit! He had to tilt his head!

See, what the problem is, is that the Undertaker was the epitome of a 'well-rounded' wrestler. To quote JR "He doesn't move arund like a clydsdale, he can move around like a real athlete!"

The Undertaker could and probably still can do things that wrestlers of his size and shape have a hard time doing. Taker raised the bar of what is expected from the larger, seemingly slower wrestlers. Undertaker isn't slow. And his gimmick allows him to do various things.

This Giant Gonzalez guy was dressed to be this troglodyte that would just pound you. He wouldn't have to do anything impressive to look inpressive. His sheer size sells him. Sure, I would have liked it if he was a better wrestler, we all would have. But how much more would you expect out of a guy of this size?

Surely he was an exception. I don't recall ever seeing anyone that big before. You don't find guys like that everyday. If anything, they should have kept him around a little while longer than they did.

As for the Big Show, he's an example of a person that can't get away with being slow and uncoordinated. He actually has some pretty cool moves, and can move about and turn up the speed when he wants.

I hope he comes back soon. I actually liked his mic skills. 😀
 
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The Sean Man said:
Warrior is in the action figure line, and it's been advertised in ToyFare magazine for two months now. And even cooler, real cloth tassles around his arms and boots!

The Sean Man

Well dip me in shit! 😱

Hellwig must have wanted the money. So much for "never being assisciated with Titan again".
 
Actually, read part of an interview with Warrior where he detailed the legal battle over the name. Before WWF, he had wrestled down in Texas as The Dingo Warrior. The WWE simply replace Dingo with Ultimate. The judge decided since warrior had basically been using the name 'warrior', he had rights to that, while WWF could continue using their version, "Ultimate Warrior."
That's why Hellwig was just plain Warrior when he went to WCW.

And Big Show? He'll be back. There's so much more they can do with him.

The Sean Man
 
How long was this man a wrestler then? I thought he was just there for a few years or something. Do you have any pictures of this guy? It would be cool to see some moments of his with other wrestlers. You really have to see him standing next to someone to get the full effect. This guy puts Big Show and even Andre the Giant to shame, he's larger than life practically.
 
Flatfoot said:
My memory's hazy, but I think I remember him wrestling when I was about 7 or 8 years old, which was way back in 1988-89. The last I remember of that guy doing anything significant was a few cameo spots on Thunder in Paradise (Hulk Hogan's old tv series). Unfortunately, I had no pictures of him. The only wrestling memorabilia I have are two autographs. One is from Tito Santana, and the other is from the late "Texas Tornado" Kerry Von Erik. Don't know where they are, though, unfortunately.

Giant Gonzales was first seen in the World Wrestling Federation at the Royal Rumble of 1993. The previous Survivor Series, The Undertaker had pinned Kamala (managed by Harvey Whippleman) and nailed him into a coffin. This storyline went that this had ruined Kamala for Harvey from then on. Taker was doing his usual cleaning house in the Rumble when this "thing" appeared through the curtains, accompanied by a beaming Whippleman. He wasn't an entrant in the Rumble, just a surprise appearance. What made me gape the most (I was 15 at the time) was that he had to duck to get through the archway. He ambled to the ring and stood in one corner, arms raised. Taker had just chucked the last person in the ring over the rope and turned round, seeing Gonzales. They were in opposite corners, staring each other down. Up till then in his WWF career, Taker had barely even blinked, but he gave a noticable start this time. Gonzales took a step towards the middle, Taker reciprocated. Another step from the giant, another step from taker. One final step each and they were staring at each other in the middle of the ring. Mark Calloway, at a not inconsiderable six foot ten, had to crane his neck back up to gaze into Gonzales eyes. 😱 He drew back his arm for his trademark throat thrust, but the Giant was on him, pasting the shite out of him and knocking over the top rope to the floor. Down on the concrete the beating continued, ending with Taker stretched out on the apron and Gonzales wrapping his right leg round the steel ring post a few times. He then departs, with Harvey grinning like an idiot. This was obviously a big push for the new guy, because the Taker went to sit up a couple of times, only to fall back on the apron. Finally he responds to Paul Bearer's urging and urn-waving and staggers to his feet, before limping off down the aisle, towards the dressing room. Again, up till then the Taker had never shown signs of pain or injury, so just seeing him limping was a bit of a shock. lol

Three months later at Wrestlemania IX (memorable as possibly the worst ever show the WWF put on, although it was the broadcast debut of Jim Ross) the two met in a singles match. Taker came to the ring in style, drawn in a roman chariot, with a vulture perched on the side. It was a gangfuck of a match to be honest, with the interesting note that Gonzales seemed to be weak across the throat and neck. Clotheslines seemed to do him the most damage. It ended in a DQ for the Taker when Gonzales smothered him with a chloroform soaked rag. Taker was wheeled out on a stretcher, while Whippleman and Gonzales danced round the ring, the Giant chokeslamming a couple of the referees for good measure. After about a minute the "dead man's bell" chimed and Taker came lurching through the curtains and back towards the ring. He climbed straight in and went after Gonzales's throat with a series of chops and clotheslines. Reeling out of the ring, Gonzales beat a hasty retreat and Taker made to follow him, but was restrained by Paul Bearer (Bill Moody) grabbing his hair. As the Death March blared across Casesar's Palace Taker and Bearer took the plaudits from the crowd. A win, but not a conclusive one...

5 months later at Summerslam 93 the two were scheduled to meet again. It was billed as the "Rest in Peace match", which was a fancy way of saying there were no DQ's or count-outs. I'd missed the run up to this match, because we didn't ever had Sky TV until I was working and bought it myself. In those days I only caught the PPV's. There had been some backstory in which Harvey Whippleman had stolen the urn and Paul Bearer had gone missing. Without his manager and focus, Taker seemed not the dead man we were used to.
The match was two-thirds Gonzales and one third Taker. Every time he went down (often) he tried to go after the urn, but Whippleman kept grabbing it from the apron and walking off laughing. Then, just as all seemed lost, the Taker's entrance music blared out and Paul Bearer came waddling up the aisle, decked Harvey and grabbed the urn back. Rising seemingly from the dead, Taker got the upper hand on Gonzales, going after his weak throat and neck with a series of thrusts and clotheslines that eventually knocked the Giant clean off his feet. As he tried to haul his 460 body back upright, Taker ascended to the top rope and stood there, arms raising out to his side like a bird of prey preparing to stoop. As Gonzales turned towards him he took off from the top rope and caught him with a monster aerial clothesline, planting him flat on his back like a stunned fish. Folding Gonzales's arms across his chest, Taker registered the three count and left victorious with Paul Bearer, pausing only to stand a black memorial wreath next to the prone monster.
Upon regaining consciousness the Giant seemed a tad un-chuffed with Harvey for losing the urn and, to a monstrous standing ovation from the crowd, siezed him by the throat and chokeslammed him. Piling the remaining fragments of the wreath on his now ex-manager's chest, Gonzales stalked back down the aisle and was gone. And that ladies and gents, was the last show the guy wrestled on. (That I remember anyway.) His tenure in the WWF had lasted a total of 8 months, from Royal Rumble to Summerslam of 1993.

Okay peeps, you can wake up now. 😀
 
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I remember Giant Gonzalez was so big, when he fought the Undertaker at Wrestlemania IX, Undertaker went up to the top rope for a choke slam on the Giant. Even on the top rope, Undertaker barely cleared the Giant.

I still consider Gonzalez one of the most unintentionally hilarious wrestlers to watch. That furry suit, his wild facial reactions, and the fact that when he stalked around with his arms outstretched reminded me of the way Scott Hall used to make fun of Paul Wight in WCW.

The Sean Man
 
Wow...that was really something Jim. Thank you. 😀

Do you know what Gonzales is doing these days? He isn't dead is he? I don't see how someone so huge can be let go like that. It just seems like there was so much more they could have done with him. I remember reading somewhere he had ankle complications, and that would be a reason to leave, especially with his size and all, but I'm not sure how it went down. If you know, do tell. You've already gone above and beyond the call. 😀
 
As far as I know Vince let him go because he had all the wrestling ability of a stuffed iguana. His freakish size was a novelty, but that could only last so long. (Just ask Paul wight! lol) I don't think he's dead, but if he isn't he won't be alive for long. People that size never are. Andre died at only 43 and Ronny Onaki wasn't exactly a pensioner either.
 
Wrestling ability aside, the giants of wrestling have limited mobility and speed. Although when you think about it, there's no logical reason that one of these guys could just simply squeeze the hell out of you. I see no reason that a giant guy couldn't hold the title (I don't count Andre's since he technically only held the title for about a minute), aside from lack of charisma and mike skills.

I still think Big John Studd could've been a good champion. He and King Kong Bundy were one of my favorite tag teams.

The Sean Man
 
In a real fight a guy the size of Gonzales, Andre or Paul Wight would be down and screaming for mercy in 20 seconds or less. If someone was daft enough to get within bear-hugging range, then they DESERVE to have all their ribs cracked! lol
 
I loved the series of matches between Big Show and Brock Lesnar. It blew my mind seeing Lesnar not only give him the F5, but superplex him off the top rope, causing the ring to collapse.

The Sean Man
 
Those rings could take the weight of a 4X4 dropping into them without so much as buckling. If they collapse under a wrestling hold, they've been rigged.
 
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