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Cheating and Affair website's online: wrong or right

shylittleme

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have any of you heard about theses websites online that teach Men and Women how to cheat on thier spouses or have affair's with there spouses and NOT get Caught? i just heard about them on the 10:00 pm news tonight. i knew that they existed before but i hear there popping up more and more online now as of late


are theses websites Wrong or Right? and why? and also what kind of message does this send to Marriages in America Today with websites like theses?
 
I think its shameful. There's a site in Toronto called Ashleymaddison.com, and I haven't bothered to look. But just the idea is outrageous and says everything that is wrong about society today :sowrong:
 
The internet will serve any kind of mind that does an inquiry.
The problem isn't with the internet (a collection of 4 billion minds), the problem lies with how it is used and the intent of the user.
It's the intent of the user that matters, shylittleme.
 
i wouldn't know nothing about Cheating or Affairs. because i'm still young i'm 20 years old and i have only had one Real Girl friend in my life so far. she is my EX- Girlfriend now though

but if i ever did get married (if that is what Gods planned for me) then i sure as heck would not have an Affair or Cheat on my wife :sowrong:
 
Shy, wait a loooonnnngggg-ass before you enter a serious relationship.
15 years minimum.
 
i can't wait that longggggggggg 😛


pervert go pick me up a Girl right now *snaps finger*
 
Shy, here's the deal: these webmasters that you grouse about aren't doing the cheating for you. YOU are the one making this conscious decision. And, the fact is, you might have a convincing reason (in your own mind) as to why you're doing it. I went out and cheated happily and royally on my last girlfriend. I came to this decision to do so because I was sexually unfulfilled, and yet, I was too insecure in those days to even think about forging ahead without the woman. So, it became a game. How to deceive without her finding out...and it is sort of like a board game. Pretty soon, I discovered that doing this benefitted no one, not my last girlfriend, not the woman I was cheating on her with, and not the goofy woman from work that I was hooking up with behind BOTH of their backs. The fact is, I needed no help from some stupid online service. I did it myself.

By the way, I met my wife four weeks after the relationship with my last girlfriend fell through, and I've lived a monogamous life since. My last girlfriend never found out, either, not to this very day. Hard to believe.
 
I have no comment about the right or wrong of such sites, though I find their marketing rather insensitive.

But in general humans weren't meant for monogamy (yes we all know exceptions to that), and society will continue to reflect this as we're less and less restricted by religion and government (usually as a result of religion). Many, many people need more than one significant other, we're very complex organisms. Since most people are raised to believe that monogamy is the correct, romantic, 'good' way to be, we usually get married and try to make it work before realizing that it's not quite right. So 'cheating' and affairs happen, so folks can express their true natures and still maintain the unions that *do* make them happy. I believe that eventually polyamory will be the norm instead 0f widespread but underground as it is now-we'll have marriage/primary partners, secondary partners, etc. But it's gonna take awhile; old guilt-ridden habits run awfully deep.

Look up the history of monagamy, it's very interesting reading.

Bella
 
to the People that are a dressing there Replys to me by putting my Name in there reply. i'm not thinking about CHEATING or having an AFFAIR so don't assume that i am or that i'm thinking about it. Because i'm not. i'm not even seeing anybody right now!! and i'm not married!!. i'm single!!
 
Bella, I hope you're wrong for the sake of our own and future generations. Polygamy and cheating or whatever else you want to call it just plain wrong and is the ultimate in selfishness and irresponsibility. Is that what we have to look forward to? A generation of free for allers? Nothing against you personally, but that is a sad indictment of society today and underline's the moral decay we continue to witness.
 
leafstk said:
Bella, I hope you're wrong for the sake of our own and future generations. Polygamy and cheating or whatever else you want to call it just plain wrong and is the ultimate in selfishness and irresponsibility. Is that what we have to look forward to? A generation of free for allers? Nothing against you personally, but that is a sad indictment of society today and underline's the moral decay we continue to witness.


I'm not supporting 'cheating', but polyamory. There is a huge difference.

What do we have to look forward to?

Sharing, love, caring, support, and many many other benefits of having less restriction on how many people can share our personal lives at one time. Tell me, have you done any research on the polyamorous lifestyle, or talked to people who live this way? Have you looked at the history of man, and seen what a tiny blip on our timeline monagamy is? And how it became the norm in the first place?

I am *not* knocking monogamy, in the least. But there are other ways, and they work better for many people. Eventually our laws will change to support that.

Bella
 
Maybe society is on it's way to looking like Aldous Huxley's Brave New World. If you haven't read that book (the one where society is broken down into a caste system of Alphas, Betas, Gammas, and whatnot.), the basic philosophy regarding things of an erotic/intimate nature is that "Everybody belongs to everybody else." However, the concept of love was kind of alien to this particular society. Sex play was just an encouraged social interaction and nothing more, not even for the purposes of procreation. It's a very good read, and it makes you wonder about where we're heading.
 
cheating sucks

before anyone thinks about cheating on their wife, or husband(just as likely), they should stop and think how they would feel if their spouse cheated on them!? it fucking hurts, i know from personal experience.
monogomy may not be natural in the animal kingdom ,but we as humans are suposed to be above the rest of the animal kingdom! what's wrong with multiple partners? it's illeagle for one, the incidents of contracting a disease is another, and as has been noted, it reaks of selfishness! there is only one time i could condone cheating; when a spouse is not living up to their responsibilities in the bed room, and the marriage can't be disolved, due to kids. then i can see "cheating". but i'd urge using the service of an escort, not forming an emotional relationship with another person. it's unfair to the 3rd party.
as for the web sites. i would love to see a case be brought against them for conspiracy ,and colution(sp?). hell, i could make a primafacy case, and i bet i could get a jury to convict.
we may have freedom of speach, but that doesn't mean all speach should be spoken!

steve
 
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I always hate these discussions. Why? Because they get heated and ugly and no one ever wins. Who gets to decide right and wrong for someone else? Am I saying "Go out and cheat"? No, I'm just saying it happens. And it's been happening for thousands of years. Long before the Internet Shy, it's going to keep happening.

Furthermore why do some people insist on making this so black and white? There are DOZENS of ways to "cheat", yes? Some people think a guy going to a strip club is cheating (I don't happen to be one of them.) Some people think an online flirtation with one party living in the US and the other living in Australia who will never ever get to physically meet are cheating. Hell, I know girls who think their guys are cheating by watching the Playboy Channel or viewing porn!

And what happens if you aren't married TECHNICALLY--who gets to decide if it's cheating? What if you're just boyfriend and girlfriend and one of you messes around. You've still cheated, right? What if you live in a state like California that doesn't recognize "common law" marriage and you've lived together 15 years? Morally, you may have cheated. In the eyes of the law, nope--your "marriage" in this state anyway fails to exist.

I think it's really easy for people to sit in judgement of others. I think the website's a bad idea, yes, but like Knox pointed out--it won't MAKE anyone cheat. It's a decision you make on your own. And the consequence you have to accept when and if you decide to.
(Hops off soapbox)

XOXO
 
who cares..first off if you need pointer on how to cheat without getting caught you shouldnt be cheating in the first place, second web site or not people are going to cheat and have affairs it is just something that happens in this wonderful world of ours, and some people do it for reasons and others do it for fun, but who is to say it is right or wrong.....as well as i have cheated on people in the past not proud of it, but i have, and now that i found what i want and someone i love i have been completely faithful land havent even thought about cheating! Plus if you need pointers on cheating...my goodness get help
 
My opinion...

If you make a commitment to someone that involves being faithful to them and not going around with others, then you should honor that. If you want the option to play around, be up front about that. Then, you're spouse/SO can choose whether or not to commit to you under those conditions. If someone decides that they're unhappy/unfulfilled, they should have the guts to admit it. Discuss it. Come to an agreement...or not. Then, move on. But, be honest about it. You only end up hurting yourself and everyone else involved when you go sneaking around.

Ann
 
Nice words Ann, but I swear I don't know anybody with enough self-confidence, maturity or moxie to be that upfront in a relationship.
It does not work that way in real, everyday life.
 
TK~
Your post reminded me of a couple I know that I hadn't thought of in a little while.

Here's the scenario: On the surface, they're your typical married couple for 16 years. Him--regular guy. Her--from a foreign country, but now American citizen. About 5 years ago, she barely escaped an extremely violent rape alive. (Her culture doesn't believe in our traditional western "therapy") So, she's now non-functional in the bedroom, "frigid" as they used to call it. They have an adorable family, created their own successful business together, are teetering on the brink of millionairism.

She wants to keep the marriage intact, loves him, the family, etc. but has basically given him the green light to gratify his physical desires elsewhere.

So, the question is, if he's cheating with her permission, is it still cheating??? Hmmm...

XOXO
 
brief rant

TKpervert said:
Nice words Ann, but I swear I don't know anybody with enough self-confidence, maturity or moxie to be that upfront in a relationship.
It does not work that way in real, everyday life.

You know me, or at least you know of me 🙂

LOTS of people in this world do just as Ann described, we're just usually quiet about it to avoid a million judgements/questions/weirdo looks 😉 Telling your partner that you want another relationship can be **HARD**, but it can be the best thing you ever did for both of you-trust me.

And it can work, and often does. There are all kinds of committed long-term unions, like my own marriage, where it's okay to have outside relationships as long as communication and respect are first and foremost. My hubby of 11 yrs (this Saturday, woo-hoo!) doesn't share my kinks or my need to be social, so I have other partners with whom I enjoy those parts of me. Everyone knows everyone and it's a very cool thing 😎 It takes work and dedication and lots of planning and communicating. My hubby and other loved ones are worth it.

It's wonderful if you're happy with one partner for your entire adult life, many people are! And it's just as great if you have more than one person, reflecting the different aspects of who you are and what you need. You don't have to stop loving one person to love another.

As far as the 'sneaking hurts' issue... while I will always promote honesty first and foremost, I know of many marriages and relationships where it's best for everyone if things are indeed kept quiet. I know, I know, how can I say that. But the reality is that it's just ridiculous to ruin a happy marriage over a kink or other need, if every other aspect of the marriage is fine. My husband is my best friend, father of my children, partner for *life*. No way would I leave that just because he doesn't like bondage, for instance. It's been lamented over on this forum for the longest time: finding that partner that has everything you need *and* wants to be tickled/spanked/wear a Bo Peep outfit/whatever is incredibly rare. Often we have to go outside our union to do such things, and since most people still believe that if their lifepartner has any use for someone besides them there must be something wrong...insecurity and unhappiness can ensue needlessly. I've said this before: finding someone you can love, and with whom you can share a house and bathroom (!) and raise babies for decade upon decade without killing them is truly amazing, every time it happens-it's like winning the lottery! If it's between spoiling that and being a little, well, sneaky, I say sneak away. Love and devotion and *total* honesty don't always mesh well, anyone who says different is either young and single or selling romance novels :devil:

End of rant, YMMV,

Bella
 
steph said:
TK~

So, the question is, if he's cheating with her permission, is it still cheating??? Hmmm...

XOXO

Nope. Cheating is when you're giving another person something that your spouse needs from you, and leaving them wanting. If the wife is fine with him seeking fulfillment elsewhere he's not cheating her of anything. In fact, i'd wager that her generosity and understanding will gain her an even better marriage due to his gratitude and satisfaction 🙂

Bella
 
TKpervert said:
Nice words Ann, but I swear I don't know anybody with enough self-confidence, maturity or moxie to be that upfront in a relationship.
It does not work that way in real, everyday life.

Let me get this straight. You don't know anybody who is willing to be honest with their spouse/SO? If that's the case, I pity you your friends/acquaintances. Honesty is one of the most important parts of a relationship. Without that, the rest of the relationship is always in question. Would YOU want to live with someone who isn't being honest with you? I know I wouldn't.

I wouldn't want a friend who isn't willing to be honest with me either. I'd rather have someone lovingly tell me that I'm full of shit about something than someone who placates and deceives me into thinking something that isn't true.

I'll go out on a limb here and state my opinion that the internet has been a tool in conditioning people to be posers. If you want to hear my thoughts on this, go HERE. I don't want to distract from the topic of this thread.

Ann
 
steph said:
TK~
Your post reminded me of a couple I know that I hadn't thought of in a little while.

Here's the scenario: On the surface, they're your typical married couple for 16 years. Him--regular guy. Her--from a foreign country, but now American citizen. About 5 years ago, she barely escaped an extremely violent rape alive. (Her culture doesn't believe in our traditional western "therapy") So, she's now non-functional in the bedroom, "frigid" as they used to call it. They have an adorable family, created their own successful business together, are teetering on the brink of millionairism.

She wants to keep the marriage intact, loves him, the family, etc. but has basically given him the green light to gratify his physical desires elsewhere.

So, the question is, if he's cheating with her permission, is it still cheating??? Hmmm...

XOXO

Hell no it's not cheating, this woman was traumatized and has lingering problems as a result, and is to be admired for the way she is handling it.
Her husband is a lucky man to have a wife like that.
 
bella, cool rant. I know where you're coming from
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TklDuo-Ann said:
Let me get this straight. You don't know anybody who is willing to be honest with their spouse/SO? If that's the case, I pity you your friends/acquaintances.
Ann

That's a pretty strong response Ann, and there's certainly no need for pity. My friends/acquaintances are all great people.
Let me say two things:
1. I agree 100% that honesty is important in a relationship.
2. There's more than one area in a relationship that honesty/dishonesty can be applied to.

previous marriages, criminal history (arrests, prison time), STD's, number of offspring, child-support payments, debts, aliases....

the people I know wouldn't lie about these things in a relationship, but no way in hell would they express a desire for/ confess to sexual daliances, which I thought was what we were talking about here.
 
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