Do you think "our porn" has gotten more extreme over the years?

[duderino84]

I usually know better then to open my mind up to forum folk, but in this case, the topic has been on my mind for a few days.

So when I was 17, it was 2001 about...I think I remember tickle town, mtjpub, real tickling, tickling Paradise and magic touch (obviously, lol). Tickle challenge, tickling Asians and Bleu fetish I think I found out about later in life. But the thing that strikes me now was it was ALL just tickling. It was erotic by default. It was either the power of suggestion or you were like me and just couldn't squeeze past a tickling clip without springing a hard on. I think it was a simpler time; you wanted tickling clips, you found tickling clips. You wanted hand job clips, you found hand job clips. It wasn't really until I found dungeon maidens clips that I found forced orgasm and tickling were put together. And honestly, it was kind of special.

Now it seems like the two are stuck together. Tickle abuse I like but it seems like most clips they do have tickling, then being vibed/forced to orgasm. A whole other variety of producers do it as well.

But do you think it's too much? Sometimes I feel desensitized to real life experiences because I've seen the videos that "raised the bar" on fantasy; it's not just tickling anymore... It's tickling and a hand job with fingering and getting blown. Like, it's nice, yea, but where does it end? It's kind of like the metaphor of cheese with pasta, except now it seems like "would you like some tickling with your sex? " rather than "would you like done sex with your tickling? "

Just wondering if I'm the only one that thinks this way.

 

[peter]

Yeah you;re right. Over the years it gotten more "extreme" I like the old way, when it was just about the tickling. The main focus was just tickle torture. Now we see forced orgasm, total nudity is almost regular (not complaining about that haha)

 

[Restraints]

I've thought this for a long time, Dude. Even my favorite producers have incorporated more and more nudity; one I thought never would is including orgasms now. I love tickling; and, I'm okay with tickling down to the bra and panties. I resolved quite a while back not to click on previews that are labeled "vibed", "orgasm", "nude", etc. I may miss some wonderful laugh-filled responses, but my library has grown to the point where I can afford to be choosy. Even if it hadn't, I think I'd be making the same decision.

I guess I was born in the wrong era; I prefer mystery. Some of the sexiest clips I own are of models in jeans, or jeans and a top, or skirts and hosiery (right, Guiltrip?). It's easier for me to place myself in the fantasy if the model is (at least mostly) dressed. I appeal to producers to clearly label their preview clips nude or non-nude; that would also apply to sex toys and orgasms.

I think Duderino has presented an important topic here. I think there should be a good chunk of "our porn" that is not really porn. While I admit there are "sometimes", most of the videos I watch (whether here or from my library) are just for pure enjoyment rather than sexual stimulation.

 

[duderino84]

Nudity doesn't really even bother me; it's more skin. What bothers me is the switch from tickling to forced orgasming. You CAN tickle those spots....it doesn't always need to be cumming for "added ticklishness". Sometimes just touching the spots intermittently is plenty to make a lee more ticklish. Tickling videos are tickling because there's tickling, no way around it.

 

[jkb]

Nudity doesn't really even bother me; it's more skin. What bothers me is the switch from tickling to forced orgasming. You CAN tickle those spots....it doesn't always need to be cumming for "added ticklishness". Sometimes just touching the spots intermittently is plenty to make a lee more ticklish. Tickling videos are tickling because there's tickling, no way around it.

Agreed. There are too many producers that are doing more forced orgasm videos over tickling videos. This ain't the FOMF, it's the TMF!

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Nah, there have been more sexually explicit material and producers over the years, but there's still plenty of straight up tickling vids all over the place.

 

[duderino84]

Nah, there have been more sexually explicit material and producers over the years, but there's still plenty of straight up tickling vids all over the place.

Maybe, but it feels like there's less.....everything has to sort of be made explicit with videos. The only exception to the rule seems to be French tickling....they don't seem to go for that. Maybe I'm just living in the past?

 

[robmic]

Boy, you guys have, for the most part, hit the nail on the head! I cringe when "tickling" and "porn" are even near each other. I feel that if I want to look at porn, I'll go to a "porn" site! It seems like everybody is jumping on the bandwagon showing tits or complete nudity anymore. I'm disappointed that turtleboy and french tickling have drifted to more and more of it. I'm sure there are a lot of guys out there that like that, but I'm like "restraints" here, I like a little mystery. I'm here for TICKLING! Not looking for oversized fake boobs or shaved pussys! Pretty, clean, soft feet. Smooth underarms. Soft, slim waists. I'll leave the boobs and snatches for personal use, thank you very much! When I tie up a female, I will usually leave them fully dressed including shoes, so I can remove what I want, when I want, to tickle them. This seems to have a psychological effect on them and me doing this. Plus, it puts the situation into a more "real life" scenario. Does more for me, anyway. I'm glad to hear that I'm not the only one that leans toward this. Thanks guys!

 

[primetime]

I think we also have to realize that with tickling, it is very sexual, so that opens up a whole lot of doors for the different scenarios. There are some who like tickling with no nudity and then there are a lot who love it with sex. Tickling creates more of the urge for actual sexual interactions, therefore the clips evolved that way.

Another thing is supply and demand. These producers didn't magically come up with the idea of "let's do forced orgasms" in their clips. Way too many people asked for it compared to those who just want "regular ol' tickling" in their clips. With the demand being as great as it is, that means more sales, more money. If you can find models who will do nudity, then you make more cash.

It is the nature of the tickling fetish. It ties in with so many sexual thoughts, it was bound to happen in the clips.

 

[RobbinAlias]

Amen to all comments in this topic so far.

Something else that bothers me about this 'tickle porn' is that a lot of lees obviously aren't ticklish at all or a bit at most. They giggle a bit, but also take plenty of time to stop laughing while the tickling is ongoing to make comments about their own situation. This makes my interest disappear very quickly. It's like having a sports-car without engine.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Maybe, but it feels like there's less.....everything has to sort of be made explicit with videos. The only exception to the rule seems to be French tickling....they don't seem to go for that. Maybe I'm just living in the past?

Zen Tickling, Ticklefiend, FrenchTickling, Czech Ticklish Girls has some nudity but is otherwise non explicit, same with Silvercherry, Tickle Haven, as far as I know Tickle Central's never had explicit material, UK Tickling, etc

I'm rambling, but the selection's out there. The bigger guys are doing more "real porn" stuff with it because it's moving units. That's why they're the bigger guys.

 

[MrChippiesTMF]

gah. how do i explain my viewpoint? i just tried a couple of times and came up with a massive ramble about nonsensical crap! I agree that a lot of the better productions and clips IMO are of those girl next door types in regular clothes just being tickled for fun.
For me I can imagine myself being the ler in these videos, and more importantly, i can imagine some female friends who may just be up for giving it a try sometime. I dont have female friends who I think could be encouraged to strip, be shackled in a dungeon and vibed etc so in that sense it makes the fantasy more easy to relate to as you can believe that maybe it could happen in real life

 

[jujimbo]

To me tickling is a form of porn and I can't grasp it that people get annoyed by incorporating sex into it. And just as non-nude videos the 'lees are either genuinely ticklish or they are not (so there's another non-sequitur here). They also still make lots of non-nude next-door-type videos today, so I don't understand what's the complaint. There is a choice and people can choose.
I can also bring up older classics that have orgasms in it (for instance Tied & Tickled #2 by Callstar, from the late '80s), so people who liked more intimate scenes still could their material even then.

What has changed however, is that more often than not the same sets are re-used. More than a decade ago you would see more scenarios in tickling videos and also outdoor scenes and such. You don't see that that often anymore and I think I know why. During the VHS-era people put more work in their videos, because videos were also less frequently produced so it had to be more of high quality. Nowadays videos are more produces en masse and the process seems more 'industrialised', with less fantasy. Still we remain having great reactions from 'lees from time to time.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

What has changed however, is that more often than not the same sets are re-used. More than a decade ago you would see more scenarios in tickling videos and also outdoor scenes and such. You don't see that that often anymore and I think I know why. During the VHS-era people put more work in their videos, because videos were also less frequently produced so it had to be more of high quality. Nowadays videos are more produces en masse and the process seems more 'industrialised', with less fantasy. Still we remain having great reactions from 'lees from time to time.

Dolla bills. We all demand creative set ups and unconventional scenarios, but at the same time super HD versions of the same 3 or 4 ideas with models interchanged is what sells. When's the last time someone did something weird and actually had it go over well? The VHS era was different, there wasn't a ton of selection, so not only was everything new almost instantly, if it sucked, you didn't exactly have hundreds of other selections. It was a make due with what you had type deal.

 

[jujimbo]

Indeed. Concurrence has become harsher for the producer, as every average Joe (hyperbolism) is trying to get his piece.

 

[LargerWorld2577]

It all comes down to personal preference regarding what kind of content is put out there. I personally am not a big fan of it and prefer fully-clothed tickling. But I also think it's just too much to incorporate different genres into a particular video, picture, etc. Like others have said, there are sites for this and sites for that, and I think when you jam so many different concepts into one work, it just seems too much. I prefer a video or picture to focus on one idea at a time because it's much easier to me to enjoy it.

 

[robmic]

I'm not trying to knock the producers efforts to make a buck. I think what bothers me more than anything else is that is seems people don't have imagination anymore. I do get turned on from tickling, but with me, it's the act of tickling, not so much the appearance of the 'lees. It's the sound of their laughter, their struggling to escape it, things like that. In some of the videos, when you see a 'ler hit a spot where you know would tickle like heck and the 'lee takes a while to respond, that takes the authenticity from it and spoils the feeling. The nakedness just doesn't seem real to me. None of the women I've tickled, and there's been a lot, ever stripped down before I tied them up, and that was fine with me. If the were going to get naked, that would come when the time was right for sex.
That being said, I know there are those out there that do like the nakedness and I don't think they should be deprived of that right. I guess what I'm thinking is that maybe the producers could indulge both sides and not try to combine everything into one clip. But, I'm realistic and realize that it's not always cost effective to do that.
Now that I've gone off on a tangent, I'll go away and let you guys get on with the thread....

 

[oldgeezer]

Tickle fetish material by the definition of "fetish" is only going to appeal to a small number or percentage of people. The majority of the producers would like their material to appeal to a larger number of people. So they are smart enough to incorporate some nudity and appeal to a larger number of people. Tickling with nudity can be a mild form of pornography similar to topless boxing, nude oil wrestling, or even lingerie football. Good looking, scantly clad, nude or partial nude women being tickled is good entertainment, even if you don't have a tickling fetish. I say this because I do not have a tickling fetish. However, I do enjoy some tickling material if the women are nice looking and at least scantly clad if not nude. Sorry to crash the tickling party. However, I believe the clips that I buy and others buy not purely for the tickling do help the producers sell a larger number of clips. Selling a larger number of clips helps enable them to produce more pure tickling clips. Even if the percentage of pure tickling clips has gone down I suspect the total number has actually gone up.

 

[FootballGuy]

Yes and I don't like the extreme stuff.

I like tickling and preferably non-nude. Weird I know but hey that's what I like. The extreme stuff must sell or the producers wouldn't make it right?

 

[GQguy]

It's funny. The old pure tickling clips didn't mirror what was happening in my bedroom. The porn doesn't mirror it either. When they toss sex into it though..now that mirrors my reality! Honestly...I think I need to start filming my encounters and watching that. I'd like to see chemistry between tickler and ticklee. Kissing and touching. Tickling her till he absolutely must have her....taking her till she climaxes....then tickling her as he uses her to bring himself to climax. In my previous relationship this ritual happened at least daily...and several times on days we were both not working.

Some of those more extreme clips have given me ideas to use in the bedroom too. It's been great...straight up tickling isn't realistic unless you're lucky enough to find that girl...or you're paying her. Tickling with a forced vibe(something I never even thought of) I can easily make happen in real life.

 

[Amnesiac]

"Our" porn hasn't gotten more extreme; extremity from other fetishes have started to blend into it.

When tickling videos were young and new around the turn of the Millennium (that mythical time of 14 years ago when all our iconic videos came out), there wasn't a great deal of selection, so we took what we could. But more than that, the modeling and consumer worlds were still fairly segregated. Tickling has come a long way in the last decade in terms of being either a) accepted or b) people not being as ashamed of being into it. Either way, the result has been crossover. Now people who were marginally into tickling have started demanding/producing content that combines fetishes and other erotic qualities in the videos for a sort of a la carte porn experience.

There was ALWAYS a slight porn element to tickling videos. Even MTP used burgeoning porn stars in early videos, though none of them became very well known: Ayako and Ember and Dita were 3 examples. Most established or even emerging video models had no interest in being in tickling videos because the market was untested, and the sad fact that tickling is a hard limit for even the toughest pain sluts.

But over the years, the market has exploded and now it's considered viable work. This is another part of the detriment because in the early days, without models who were comfortable faking it, producers often turned to real people they knew who were genuinely ticklish and some who even enjoyed it. As a result, the early videos has a quality of 'lee that is rarely found anymore because so many professionals or emerging professionals are getting into the scene and diluting the number of truly ticklish subjects.

And these professionals are not entirely cheap. And with the markets mixing due to overlapping tastes, now producers have to maximize their appeal AND make use of what they have: if you have Andy San Dimas doing a fetish video, chances are you're shelling out $700 MINIMUM for her services and so you'd better make use of the things she does professionally to get that crossover audience money. Even if your interest in tickling is marginal, it can go down smoother with the promise of naked porno chicks taking vibrators at the same time.

If anything, our "classic" videos were mostly about tickling real people who were genuinely ticklish. But not everyone who is genuinely ticklish LIKES being tortured with it; and not everyone who does wants to be videotaped being tickled. So already, willing candidates are a scarce. But now that polish and Internet Immortality have dominated the scene, people who want to keep their mugs off the net to avoid being outed at the insurance office have skedaddled and the professional models and all the baggage that comes with it--for good or ill--are here to stay for the time being.

"Extreme-ness" is mostly a market-driven reaction. The videos made 15 years ago wouldn't sell to wide audiences today, even if they were shot in HD because of the dedicated focus and lack of "polish." They WOULD appeal to us, of course, because we want to see quality tickling, but in today's market, and ESPECIALLY today's economy, you have to go with what PAYS, and spectacle always does.

 

[TexasTicklin]

I agree that out fetish is being taken over by some, well, I guess...sub genre fetishes? For me personally, I like to peruse the videos and see tickling. Topless doesn't bother me a great deal. It's when I click on a link and now suddenly I am seeing a close-up of some chick's poon that I start to wish that stuff wasn't around here. The forced orgasms and stuff, well, in my opinion if it isn't 90% tickling, then it shouldn't belong.
I'm sorry if I upset or offend but I do wish some of the stuff could be toned down, or at least have sub-genres in other categories.

 

[Restraints]

It all comes down to personal preference regarding what kind of content is put out there. I personally am not a big fan of it and prefer fully-clothed tickling. But I also think it's just too much to incorporate different genres into a particular video, picture, etc. Like others have said, there are sites for this and sites for that, and I think when you jam so many different concepts into one work, it just seems too much. I prefer a video or picture to focus on one idea at a time because it's much easier to me to enjoy it.

I think that's really well said.

 

[jujimbo]

I'm not trying to knock the producers efforts to make a buck. I think what bothers me more than anything else is that is seems people don't have imagination anymore. I do get turned on from tickling, but with me, it's the act of tickling, not so much the appearance of the 'lees. It's the sound of their laughter, their struggling to escape it, things like that.

Indeed. And that can go with or without nudity or sexuality (nothing new to tickling videos neither). So I don't get it what people are complaining about incorporating sex or nudity (which still isn't happening by definition) in it as if it's always a bad thing. The reaction to the tickling must be genuine and that's the kind of video that sells, as well as the skill of the tickler of course (tickling is not just just digging your fingers in like a zombie; the lee needs to be played like a cat plays with his/her prey). Within that mindset there aren't any strict rules, the quality just needs to be there.

 

[duderino84]

To me tickling is a form of porn and I can't grasp it that people get annoyed by incorporating sex into it. And just as non-nude videos the 'lees are either genuinely ticklish or they are not (so there's another non-sequitur here). They also still make lots of non-nude next-door-type videos today, so I don't understand what's the complaint. There is a choice and people can choose.
I can also bring up older classics that have orgasms in it (for instance Tied & Tickled #2 by Callstar, from the late '80s), so people who liked more intimate scenes still could their material even then.

What has changed however, is that more often than not the same sets are re-used. More than a decade ago you would see more scenarios in tickling videos and also outdoor scenes and such. You don't see that that often anymore and I think I know why. During the VHS-era people put more work in their videos, because videos were also less frequently produced so it had to be more of high quality. Nowadays videos are more produces en masse and the process seems more 'industrialised', with less fantasy. Still we remain having great reactions from 'lees from time to time.

Tickling is a form of porn. But to me it's an escape from reality as well, and it WAS its own thing. That made it unique. Show me a video with a stock five minute blow job leading into a 15 minute anal pounding session, I'm falling asleep. Show me a lee getting tickled on a table, rolling around hysterical, her tits being teased to keep her fighting, begging with a ler to stop, and by the time it's over she's still laughing for three minutes without being touched? You would've found me hard as a rock, finally getting the vent I needed.

And I know there were orgasms in older videos but they were not frequent and tasteful. It wasn't a "standard", it was an orgasm.

Fantasies today seem different to me and I'll get to the core of why. I think in the last decade the message has been "show average joe he can get everything he wants if he makes the girl cum". The incorporation of sex feels like an effort to normalize the fetish so it becomes a casual thing. If only life stayed in the video I can see that being possible. Instead I feel it raises the bar on a guys fantasy and makes dating even more of a challenge because it sets a standard, one that many girls/women won't tolerate or want to deal with a guy who wants to meet that standard.