Foot Tickling at Water Park

[metalgod]

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dude's got balls, give him a break

 

[jk3852]

im sure a lot of people have seen the italian Renfaire video clips floating around the internet where random women are pulled by the wrist and tied to wooden stocks and filmed. my italian isn't too hot, but by their reaction it appears obvious that they didn't know what was about to happen.

these videos and many others like them are greatly received by the majority on this forum.

having said that, if the waterpark girl was either my sister or girlfriend i'd probably want to knock the guy out, but i think some people are going too far up the sexual harrassment avenue. It Could have disturbed her.. but it probably didn't..

i wouldn't have done it personally though

 

[steph]

but...

Keep in mind, the rules are VERY different in Italy than in U.S. A stranger grabs your ass there and you complain to the cops, they look at you like you're crazy and say, "So? What do you want me to do about it?" They just play the game very differently there...

XOXO

 

[Headsnap]

I guess next time I ride the DC Metro, and somebody inadvertantly elbows me in the ribs, I can launch a civil suit for assault! Hot diggity!

If you think it was done purposefully then sure you can! And, what's better, if there's enough evidence to convince a jury it was deliberate then the scumbag will most likely go to jail for it! In all seriousness, if you can't see the difference between an inadvertent elbow in the ribs on a packed commuter vehicle and deliberately touching people because it excites you then you're probably not really qualified to enter an argument like this.

Hey, I understand from where Venray and the others are coming. I certainly don't advocate walking up to total strangers and tickling them, as fun as that sounds. But come on. This is not a case of a guy randomly tickling people at will. Her foot was bare, it was right next to his face. He gave a quick tickle, and that was it. No harm. No foul. And the bulk of you want to crucify him for it.

Are you therefore suggesting that because the opportunity is there it's okay? Does that mean that next time a woman in a bikini sits near me I should give her ribs a quick tickle? I mean what's the harm in it, the opportunity is there, she's all bare and stuff, she must be asking for it right? No harm, no foul?

Why? Because most of you look at it as a "sexual assault."

That's because it pretty much is. Most people who disagree would say "it's not like he grabbed her boob or anything". But it is; the only difference is that where both parties consider the victim's breast an erotic part of her body, the victim might not neccesarily consider her feet to be an erotic part of her body. The person touching them does, and that's where the sexual assault would come into it if I was prosecuting it.

See, this is where my opinion differs from most. I'm convinced the more we treat something like tickling as a "sexual" act, the more the world will agree with us. Then we can say buh bye to all of the cool mainstream tickling scenes. We can forget about playful tickles among friends. Tickling will be compartmentalized right alongside consentual beatings and golden showers.

It's a fetish. By definition it's an erotic act if the person concerned is a tickling fetishist. Fair enough, not every act of tickling performed even by a tickling fetishist is neccesarily done to derive erotic excitement but let's face it, this is a pretty open and shut case of someone losing their grip on themselves and acting inappropriately to derive erotic excitement, in this case by the unsolicited touching of a stranger's foot. If you want to sit there and tell me this kid did it just to be playful then I'd have to disagree with you, because to me the very fact it was premeditated to a certain extent and that he's come here and posted about it suggests otherwise. He got his, not neccesarily to a climactic, sexual extent, but he got a thrill from it and now he's bragging about it. That's a lack of self-control which commonly manifests itself in people who live to become a danger to women, and so to condone it, try to defend it or "LOL" at it is pretty irresponsible.

Also, I think you're being a bit hysterical about the disappearance of mainstream tickling scenes and playful tickles between friends if tickling is seen as a sexual act. I think denying the fact that tickling can be an erotic, sexual act is basically to be a bit repressed, tantamount to denying it as a fetish. It's not always the case, but let's face it it's a pretty open secret that most people find tickling thrilling in some way, wether it's because of the intimacy of the contact or the strange sense of security you get when you've got someone you trust who has you giggling uncontrollably, it just so happens that it excites us a little more than most. Everyone likes tickling to various degrees, so I reckon your mainstream stuff is pretty safe, and the playful tickles between friends even more so. Look at it this way; some people get sexually excited when they see a dead body and most people know about these necrophiliacs, but I don't see studio bosses rushing out to cancel CSI: Miami just in case a few people might get a tingle when they see a corpse being rolled out on a slab, do you? Fetishists with no self-control are a far more serious threat to mainstream tickling scenes and playful tickles between friends than people who quite rightly get annoyed when they read about someone taking liberties with a stranger.

On any other board, this post would have been responded to with "LOL" or "Way to go, dude" or "That's funny", etc. But not us...Oh Lord, no. We have to treat it as " sexual assault," likening it to the grabbing of a breast or genitalia. I'm telling you, folks. We are shooting ourselves in our collective foot with this philosophy, and we've been doing it for years. Just because tickling turns some of us on, it doesn't mean the entire world has to know. Just my opinion, as always.

The only people shooting themselves in the foot are people who refuse to recognise that taking liberties with a stranger's body is just not on, no matter how innocent it may have seemed or how unaffected the person being touched may have been. Having the opportunity is no excuse; if I had the opportunity to rob a bank and get away with it, it doesn't neccesarily mean I'm going to throw on a balaclava and fill my boots. Saying "it's not like he grabbed her boob or rubbed her genitals" doesn't wash with me either; to him it's an erotic act, so he might as well have, and given the mindset that opportunity excuses anything who's to say he wouldn't have if he'd had the chance? There's obviously little self control going on there. What if he'd grabbed her foot and she'd reacted the same way? I could sit here all day and go into it, but the fact is that what he did was not a good thing. If you want to talk about shooting yourself in the foot then think about the consequences actions or lapses in restraint such as this might have if the media or mainstream ever got hold of them.

As far as the other sites where this kid would have been patted on the back for what he did, that's an indication of a pretty childish and somewhat worrying mindset. Giving people kudos for inflicting their fetish on unwitting people? Anyone who does that needs to give themselves a slap and give themselves a serious talking to. It makes me happy to know that TMF members, or the majority of them anyway, are grown-up and comfortable enough with their sexuality and fetishism that they realise that fantasising about tickling strangers against their will is one thing, but going out and doing it is entirely another.

 

[toyou444]

Wow.

It was a one second tickle. She didn't complain. She might have, but she didn't.

Good God!

I come here to talk about tickling. We don't even know if the friggin story was true or just some fantasy and we have legal experts expounding on how much jail time he could get.

Its getting awfully sactimonious around here lately.

An entire thread got pulled in another section because people were arguing over the merits of M/M material. The general consensus from the mods seemed to be if you don't like it don't complain. And here we have people doing the exact same thing. If the guy gets caught and goes to jail and then he does. Its a free country and you take personal responsibility for what you do. Do we have to have a three page argument about the legality of it?!?!

And as to the story being posted on a "sexual forum" thus leading to the girl crying harrassment...then the mods better pull about 90% of the stories on this forum. All of the celbrity stories could be considered stalking, all of the true stories could be retroactively considered sexual harrassment! All of the videos that have animals in them could be considered beastiality!

It was a frigging story. You don't like? Sorry. Its no different thatn the people who bitch about everything /M even when its properly labled. The same rules should apply, even to the mods. If the mods feel its bad enough just pull the damn thing and clear space for other stuff.

~ toyou

 

[dvnc]

Toyou, it helps no one to bury such details. It CAN be taken innocently, AND it can be a legal issue.

Unlike a hand-to-yourself reality, when you touch someone else (even in densely packed areas, Drew, where context doesn't allow a deliberate action like tickling, poking, licking, etc.) you invite legal consequence.

Heck, you also invite pounding. Biggest Jet Li wannabee here can still face a handgun in many states, 'cause someone's daughter/wife/friend/etc. felt she was touched inappropriately.

We don't know the lady's history. Heck, we don't know that she's not a terribly physically endowed 15, inviting other difficulties.

Context is terribly important.

It don't mean "never touch anyone". It means "be careful about randomly touching folks you don't know, ESPECIALLY if they appear NOT to like it".

You've been around long enough, like Drew. Since before this town stood, when AMT's wild west was the only game in town. You've doubtless SEEN at least one of the legal actions placed. Some folks go WAY too far. Some get popped for what I see as stupid reasons - they touched someone. I caution for simple purpose - I don't want one of ours getting popped 'cause they thought they were encouraged to go out and paw random strangers.

Drew, there are folks I personally KNOW in our community for whom tickling is ONLY sexual. Some folks, like you and I, *can* deal with touch contextually. Some can't. Some of us both know enough social tact AND get lucky enough to tickle someone who ISN'T a molestation or rape victim. Who isn't mildly autistic (like Asperger's Syndrome, which is imperceptible 'til you cross their personal space sometimes).

Reality ain't simple. Just saying, "Whee, it's fun to touch. Let's touch everyone!" is very warm and fuzzy, but that won't fly well in much of the world. Yeah, you rub shoulders on a train/subway/bus. Don't mean you're allowed to tickle. It's the deliberate univited touch that's the danger.

That this place exists DOES draw more attention to the potential sexual nature of the interest. Lawyers can and will skew the perspective to suit a case with a jury. Big surprise there. It's their job on one side of the room to prove guilt. We like that when they have our backs.

In this case, that would be bad.

I just want the viewing audience to dig that there's a difference. This has come up in our community before, as there are some people who can charm the socks off of a nun. I think of a particular friend here who's even posted some charming rememberances. Seen him do such, too. He has a skill for socially engaging the person, where touch is then potentially acceptable. Reasonable doubt and all that crap. Some people have lost jobs this way. Some have faced court charges. It ain't always so bad, but NOT cluing folks is just not cool.

The poor thread-starter is getting caught in topical crossfire, for which I'm personally sorry. It ain't you, brother. It's just the desire to warn folks that there's a need to connect with a person before touching 'em, and that a tickler can get VERY bad responses sometimes.

YMMV...

 

[toyou444]

Please take this with the utmost respect.

I am not arguing the legality of it. I am simply asking why everyone else is?

Any other forum here where someone is taken to task like this and the thread is locked or deleted. Here it has become a civil war...lol.

I just think it should be handled the same as any other post. If you don't like it you don't have respond to it. If there needs to be a debate about inappropriate touching then have a flame section on the forum because that is where it will end up going. Or start another thread like was done about the M/M material.

This guy was telling us a story. He took an awful chance and got away with it. What else do we have say?

~ toyou

 

[Headsnap]

Please take this with the utmost respect.

I am not arguing the legality of it. I am simply asking why everyone else is?

Any other forum here where someone is taken to task like this and the thread is locked or deleted. Here it has become a civil war...lol.

I just think it should be handled the same as any other post. If you don't like it you don't have respond to it. If there needs to be a debate about inappropriate touching then have a flame section on the forum because that is where it will end up going. Or start another thread like was done about the M/M material.

This guy was telling us a story. He took an awful chance and got away with it. What else do we have say?

~ toyou

I might be wrong but I thought the whole point of vBB forums was to post your opinions on stuff, including what other people have posted. If someone posts a story like this then people are entitled to take offence to it, and because of the fact that forums are meant for sharing opinions and stuff they're entitled to post their dissatisfaction. Likewise, people are entitled to say that we should leave him alone because it's not like he grabbed her boob or that he took a chance and got away with it, and then I'm entitled to post that, in my opinion, that's a pretty irresponsible thing to be telling anyone.

The other thing is this; is it really all that sanctimonious to expect people to show a little bit of restraint when it comes to touching strangers? Come on, let's have a bit of a word with ourselves here. Fair enough some of the criticism has gone over the top at times, myself included, but patting people on the back or attempting to defend them for doing stuff like this is at best irresponsible and at worst idiotic.

 

[drew70]

If you think it was done purposefully then sure you can! And, what's better, if there's enough evidence to convince a jury it was deliberate then the scumbag will most likely go to jail for it! In all seriousness, if you can't see the difference between an inadvertent elbow in the ribs on a packed commuter vehicle and deliberately touching people because it excites you then you're probably not really qualified to enter an argument like this.

In all seriousness, if you regard me as unqualified, then simply don't respond to me. I promise you it won't hurt my feelings. 😀 And to be truthful, I see some difference but not enough to justify the posturing outrage in this thread, much less the jail time some are proposing. Maybe the laws are different there in England, I don't know.

Are you therefore suggesting that because the opportunity is there it's okay? Does that mean that next time a woman in a bikini sits near me I should give her ribs a quick tickle? I mean what's the harm in it, the opportunity is there, she's all bare and stuff, she must be asking for it right? No harm, no foul?

Okay, slow down there, Mario. I'm not saying anybody should or shouldn't do anything. And I never said the girl at the water park was asking for anything. Let's try to stay focused here, shall we? Okay, as to your hypothetical girl in the bikini, it would depend on how close she was sitting. I think if it was close enough, a brief tickle to the ribs isn't all that outrageous, if nothing more than to say, "hey you're invading my space." Proximity makes a world of difference. There's been occasion at the various offices in Corporate America at which I've worked (Where paranoia regarding Sexual Harrassment is rampant), where I might be engaged in conversation with someone, and a woman will give me a quick tickle in the ribs to let me know she needs to pass and that I'm in her way. Again, no harm, no foul. But I suppose you would have brought charges. Good luck.

That's because it pretty much is. Most people who disagree would say "it's not like he grabbed her boob or anything". But it is; the only difference is that where both parties consider the victim's breast an erotic part of her body, the victim might not neccesarily consider her feet to be an erotic part of her body. The person touching them does, and that's where the sexual assault would come into it if I was prosecuting it.

How would you prove he finds her feet erotic? Subpoena his "hard drive?" Whether or not you want to admit it, I suspect you feel this way because you personally find feet tickling erotic, and therefore want to legislate accordingly.

Instead, you should legislate according to the action itself, not the degree to which the perpetrator enjoyed it. For example, if a man rapes a woman, and ends up not being able to bust a nut because once he gets her clothes off her, he's not impressed, should his sentence be lighter, because he didn't enjoy it as much, or didn't find her all that attractive?

It's a fetish. By definition it's an erotic act if the person concerned is a tickling fetishist. Fair enough, not every act of tickling performed even by a tickling fetishist is neccesarily done to derive erotic excitement but let's face it, this is a pretty open and shut case of someone losing their grip on themselves and acting inappropriately to derive erotic excitement, in this case by the unsolicited touching of a stranger's foot.

There you go compartmentalizing. To you, it's sexual, so you're laying down absolutes. "It's a fetish." How much excitement he derived in that act is not the issue. If Joe Kink gets off on shaking hands with women holding Tupperware, should he be banned from Tupperware parties? You are guaging this man's guilt not so much according to what he did, but rather how much he enjoyed it. You are attempting to legislate pleasure, which will take us all one step closer to Big Brother.

If you want to sit there and tell me this kid did it just to be playful then I'd have to disagree with you, because to me the very fact it was premeditated to a certain extent and that he's come here and posted about it suggests otherwise. He got his, not neccesarily to a climactic, sexual extent, but he got a thrill from it and now he's bragging about it. That's a lack of self-control which commonly manifests itself in people who live to become a danger to women, and so to condone it, try to defend it or "LOL" at it is pretty irresponsible.

It was a one second tickle. That's all it was. I laud the man for taking a chance, and what I find irresponsible is the sanctimonious browbeating against one of our brothers.

Also, I think you're being a bit hysterical about the disappearance of mainstream tickling scenes and playful tickles between friends if tickling is seen as a sexual act. I think denying the fact that tickling can be an erotic, sexual act is basically to be a bit repressed, tantamount to denying it as a fetish. It's not always the case, but let's face it it's a pretty open secret that most people find tickling thrilling in some way, wether it's because of the intimacy of the contact or the strange sense of security you get when you've got someone you trust who has you giggling uncontrollably, it just so happens that it excites us a little more than most. Everyone likes tickling to various degrees, so I reckon your mainstream stuff is pretty safe, and the playful tickles between friends even more so. Look at it this way; some people get sexually excited when they see a dead body and most people know about these necrophiliacs, but I don't see studio bosses rushing out to cancel CSI: Miami just in case a few people might get a tingle when they see a corpse being rolled out on a slab, do you?

I don't deny that tickling can be erotic. What I deny is that tickling is inherently erotic, or that it should be assumed erotic when in doubt. Your point about necropheliacs has some merit, but not a lot. Do necropheliacs have online forums in which they argue the legalities of copping a quick non-consensual grope of a corpse? Death is inevitable with everybody and can't be compartmentalized as nothing more than a sexual act. Tickling can, and will be, if we continue to insist to the world that "it's a fetish."

Fetishists with no self-control are a far more serious threat to mainstream tickling scenes and playful tickles between friends than people who quite rightly get annoyed when they read about someone taking liberties with a stranger.

I agree with this statement. But a scenario such as the one described in the opening post (before the poster removed it thanks to the kind and friendly treatment he received from folks like you) doesn't speak of a lack of self-control, but rather a very calculated appraisal of the situation.

It makes me happy to know that TMF members, or the majority of them anyway, are grown-up and comfortable enough with their sexuality and fetishism that they realise that fantasising about tickling strangers against their will is one thing, but going out and doing it is entirely another.

I'm glad you are comfortable in your high place of piety and sanctimony. I on the other hand am content to remain down here on earth.

 

[venray]

>There's been occasion at the various offices in Corporate America at which I've worked (Where paranoia regarding Sexual Harrassment is rampant), where I might be engaged in conversation with someone, and a woman will give me a quick tickle in the ribs to let me know she needs to pass and that I'm in her way. Again, no harm, no foul. But I suppose you would have brought charges. Good luck."


Ah but Drew, as you well know...if you WANTED to, you could have indeed brought her up on charges......that is the way it is in this day and age....Like it or not....

Unwanted or unwelcome touch can lose you your job or land you in jail.....

It is best to avoid such issues by keeping your hands (and other body parts ) to yourself, especially when a total stranger is involved......

What was done was wrong in the eyes of the law...so be it....

 

[BellaRisa]

Again with this...

This topic has been infuriating me ever since I became a part of this community. It needs to be discussed as long as there are still people who need to learn what their parents didn't teach them: keep your hands to yourself.

I don't even get into the legalities or sexuality of it, because those actually aren't the issues for me. I simply don't want people I don't know touching me just because they feel like it. For the life of me I don't know why that's so hard for some people to understand. Every woman I know feels the same way. Many don't say anything when such an incident occurs, because they've been ridiculed and told it's no big deal in the past. Somehow, many males have grown up to think it's fine to briefly touch/poke/rub up against women they find attractive just because they want to, and as long as it's quick a woman should just accept it as flirting. Fellas, you don't get to decide what a woman should find offensive. Why is personal space such a difficult concept? This is *my* body. I have a right to decide what happens to it. Friends are one thing. Strangers have no familiarity and have no business touching me. Period. I don't care how brief the touch, how harmless. Leave people you don't know alone. Guys, once more: girls don't want to be touched by you if we don't know you. It's not okay to get your thrills by touching us, even quickly. And this would absolutely get the same response on any other forum I've ever seen. Don't stroke our hair just because "it's pretty", try to get a quick feel, any of that; it's creepy and annoying and says you lack both self control and respect for others. And if you're on this forum hypothetically you're old enough to now better. It's not about seeing what you can get away with, it's about being an adult and honoring the rights of other people.


Bella

 

[drew70]

>There's been occasion at the various offices in Corporate America at which I've worked (Where paranoia regarding Sexual Harrassment is rampant), where I might be engaged in conversation with someone, and a woman will give me a quick tickle in the ribs to let me know she needs to pass and that I'm in her way. Again, no harm, no foul. But I suppose you would have brought charges. Good luck."

Ah but Drew, as you well know...if you WANTED to, you could have indeed brought her up on charges......that is the way it is in this day and age....Like it or not....

You're absolutely right, Ray. I COULD have. But I didn't, and wouldn't. To me, that would fall in the category of "frivolous law suits." We all have heard of such suits being successful, but it doesn't make it right. I don't deny that tickling a stranger can lead to consequences, legal or otherwise. I'm just saying that there are situations in which it would be difficult to prove a criminal act and I think this is one of them. Had our friend walked up behind the girl and started tickling her, then I would agree the action was outside the bounds of acceptable behavior. A two second tickle of a bare foot, 4 inches from your face does not, in my opinion.

Unwanted or unwelcome touch can lose you your job or land you in jail.....

It is best to avoid such issues by keeping your hands (and other body parts ) to yourself, especially when a total stranger is involved......

What was done was wrong in the eyes of the law...so be it....

It seems to me that we're discussing the incident on two levels....legal and ethical. As far as legal goes, I see it as up in the air, and not so cut and dry. I'm more concerned with the ethical level which I believe did more to spark the reactions here than did the legal. Ethically, I have no problem with what he did, and I don't believe he deserved comments like "I just can't wait. One day, Darwin will catch fools like this."

 

[venray]

Your ethics are a little different than others Drew...

I think that we all should know enough not to touch someone without permission to do so...

 

[drew70]

Guys, once more: girls don't want to be touched by you if we don't know you. It's not okay to get your thrills by touching us, even quickly. And this would absolutely get the same response on any other forum I've ever seen. Don't stroke our hair just because "it's pretty", try to get a quick feel, any of that; it's creepy and annoying and says you lack both self control and respect for others.

Though I don't doubt there are women who would agree with you Bella, I nonetheless question your qualifications to speak on behalf of ALL women. I've seen and talked with many women on this forum who fantasize and long to be touched and even tickled by a stranger. Just because you find it offensive, doesn't mean all women do. That would be like saying that ALL women enjoy receiving pain and having multiple lovers just because you do.

Touching strangers is risky business, no doubt about it. However, there are certain situations in which it is more feasible to do so than others. As far as touching people in general, people do it all the time, both men and women. A tap on the shoulder, a touch of the elbow to gently get someone's attention. To arbitrarily say that all women are offended by any touch of a stranger is a pretty bold statement, and difficult to prove.

 

[toyou444]

AAARRRGGHHH!

I understand that touching a stranger is wrong!

MY point is that we are all having this mental masturbation about it!

If we aren't supposed to criticize clips/stories/etc that we don't like why do we allow an arguement about this?!?!

It was a STORY!! No one can prove or disprove it.

If you read it and it made you upset, I apologize and you don't have to read it again. I've seen plenty in this life I never wanted to see...shit happens.

~ toyou

 

[ViperGTS]

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=86908

 

[toyou444]

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=86908

Careful viper...someone will believe you and you'll be doing time before you know it!

~ toyou

 

[Headsnap]

This topic has been infuriating me ever since I became a part of this community. It needs to be discussed as long as there are still people who need to learn what their parents didn't teach them: keep your hands to yourself.

I don't even get into the legalities or sexuality of it, because those actually aren't the issues for me. I simply don't want people I don't know touching me just because they feel like it. For the life of me I don't know why that's so hard for some people to understand. Every woman I know feels the same way. Many don't say anything when such an incident occurs, because they've been ridiculed and told it's no big deal in the past. Somehow, many males have grown up to think it's fine to briefly touch/poke/rub up against women they find attractive just because they want to, and as long as it's quick a woman should just accept it as flirting. Fellas, you don't get to decide what a woman should find offensive. Why is personal space such a difficult concept? This is *my* body. I have a right to decide what happens to it. Friends are one thing. Strangers have no familiarity and have no business touching me. Period. I don't care how brief the touch, how harmless. Leave people you don't know alone. Guys, once more: girls don't want to be touched by you if we don't know you. It's not okay to get your thrills by touching us, even quickly. And this would absolutely get the same response on any other forum I've ever seen. Don't stroke our hair just because "it's pretty", try to get a quick feel, any of that; it's creepy and annoying and says you lack both self control and respect for others. And if you're on this forum hypothetically you're old enough to now better. It's not about seeing what you can get away with, it's about being an adult and honoring the rights of other people.


Bella

Cracking stuff; this is the post I've been wracking my brains to come up with ever since I stuck my oar in here. Sod the legalities, sod the morals, be a human being and respect other people as human beings. It's as simple as that.

 

[drew70]

Sod the legalities, sod the morals, be a human being and respect other people as human beings. It's as simple as that.

Now you're talking! While we're at it, let's treat Skullduggery as a human being too, what do you say?

 

[Headsnap]

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this, he got told off in the same way as I'd tell anyone who did what he did. Perhaps you're starting to see what exactly it is that's annoying everyone else about his story and the larger issue of tickling strangers and are clutching at straws because you don't feel like admitting that fact, I don't know. Please elaborate.

 

[Myriads]

MY point is that we are all having this mental masturbation about it!

If we aren't supposed to criticize clips/stories/etc that we don't like why do we allow an argument about this?!?!



One is always allowed to provide constructive criticism of clips/stories/etc. The weight being on the word constructive. The recent thread in clips was pulled because it was off topic, and in a content forum rather then a discussion one. There is a difference!

You can always say why you don’t like something. But showing up in a thread to just say. “This sucks” or a well labeled content thread to simply insult the idea behind the material won’t fly. That’s trolling.

We are allowing a discussion in this thread because the topic was posted in the Discussion forum. Note that the discussion in the M/M thread (Which was directly caused by the clips thread that died) has also been allowed to continue here. The Discussion forums are a place for the community to well... Discuss stuff. That in the long haul is valuable to the community.

In this specific case a poster decided to share a story about something he did.

Some people felt he crossed some social and legal lines and pointed that out.

Others held a “It’s no big deal. Ease up” point to those folks.

Debate continued from there. If all this had happened in a thread posted in Stories, it probably would have gotten snipped off and asked to be started here.

I’ve said this before. This community has several distinct divisions in it. But the most fundamental is the one between the sexual ticklers and the social ticklers.

Both sides bring very different viewpoints to the fetish and those differences are often totally not seen or misunderstood by people on the other side.

To the sexual ticklers the act of tickling, seeing tickling, and thinking about tickling always holds some form of sexual connection. They may well not FEEL that connection every single time, but they are at the least mentally aware that it’s there. Thus they can understand why seeing a mom tickle their kid at the supermarket is not a sexual thing, they are also bugged by the fact that it DOES have a sexual connotation in their heads, and need to make the proper mental adjustments to process the event in the right form. They don’t understand why anyone would post something here involving a child. It produces an instant ‘wrong’ feeling.

To the social ticklers, tickling is a bonding/relationship builder. It’s fun, playful, and safe. It can be a sexual thing, but it’s more of a intimacy building based experience. This means they see tickling in a relationship light first. To them a parent/child interaction is a natural normal thing that builds family connections. It’s good. Many of these folks have difficulty with the ‘hard core’ clips that the sexual ticklers like. They understand that it’s a sexual thing for the folks who want that stuff, but have no context as to why they would want THAT. It cheapens the idea that tickling is intimate by being so blatant, so porn like. They also don’t get why their fun innocent tales of childhood fun cause the sexual group such big problems.

And both groups are here. (Note people can be in one side but see the other clearly, my examples are there to highlight the issues that MANY, not all have)

And their miscommunications and lack of mutual understanding cause issues.

The post that started this thread is an example.

The sexual ticklers are all “You were wrong to violate this woman’s body” They, from their viewpoint see what happened in a rape context.

The social ticklers are all “What’s the big deal? It was a natural thing to do in that situation!” From their viewpoint they see what happened as a fun/flirting/communication context.

Which is correct? One side? Both? Neither?

Let’s look at the base facts we have.

A person who stated that they get some form of physical gratification out of tickling (Wheeee! we can debate if he’s a sexual tickler or not!), made uninvited physical contact with another person (oooh! look we can debate if a bare foot near a person is an ‘invitation’!), with the intent of getting that sexual jolt (Did he? Another topic!), they acted because the opportunity presented itself (Hey now! The amount of premeditation could vary based on interpretation!).

That’s all we know. And as you can see, the points to side track the basic argument are myriad.

Was that right or wrong? That is what people are debating above. And it’s a good debate for our community. We all share a like of a behavior that involves physical contact with others. For each of us, knowing when that contact is appropriate and is not is a personal line. Lot’s of people here are learning how to fit this fetish into their lives and come here searching for support/information/help on doing that. Threads like this aid in that. That’s the reason for all the mental masturbation. It’s all about people finding and sharing where they draw their line in hopes of helping others. Discussion.

Also keep the debate focused on the subject. Not each other.

Myriads

 

[toyou444]

Myriads,

I have never disagreed with you on your handling of these things. Your replies are usually well thought out and well articulated.

Well, your record remains unblemished!

After reading your response I feel I over reacted to the discussion going on. While I still feel like BOTH sides are never going to agree so there is no need for the arguement...I also agree that the discussion on the story was on topic and I should have kept my big fat tounge in my mouth.

I will refrain from the debate form this point forward.

Thank you Myriad for your response!

~ toyou

 

[E-Dawg]

Be careful, "No" means "No"

Always be careful about tickling a person (especially a stranger). You need to make sure the other person is comfortable first before proceeding with your actions, not just with tickling, but with touching another person in any way. If he/she says "no" or anything that proves discomfort, you must back off. His/her body belongs to him/her. Just like your body belongs to you. As another member said, put yourself in the other person's shoes. I must add something to go along with that: The way you treat other people is the same way others will treat you; what goes around comes around! If you choose to touch someone when they don't want you to, it's a matter of time in which someone will touch you in a way that you won't like. Just think, touching a person without his/her permission will eventually lead to someone touching you without your permission (a lot) when you end up behind bars. Once you go to jail for any reason, not just for harassment, your whole life is ruined. You can't shake off a bad reputation. Your chances of getting a job, making friends (or even keeping friends), and your chances of having people respect you go down the drain. So be careful, know where to draw the line, put yourself in the other person's shoes, and you can live your life with no regret. Besides, tickling is more fun when both people involved are enjoying it.

 

[drew70]

Now you're talking! While we're at it, let's treat Skullduggery as a human being too, what do you say?

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this, he got told off in the same way as I'd tell anyone who did what he did.

This is a tickling forum. A man posts a tickling experience of his and gets a lot of judgemental condemnation for it, and not only from you. He was made to feel like shit for sharing something that he had every business sharing. While you personally didn't resort to namecalling, you nonetheless exaggerated his innocent action into a full-fledged sexual assault, in essence criminalizing him. Then you come back and say, "let's treat each other like humans" which carries the inferance that Skullduggery "dehumanized " this poor girl with a 1-second tickle.

Perhaps you're starting to see what exactly it is that's annoying everyone else about his story and the larger issue of tickling strangers and are clutching at straws because you don't feel like admitting that fact, I don't know. Please elaborate.

Funny, based on your reluctance to respond to my last post, I was wondering if perhaps YOU were reconsidering your unforgiving judgmental attitudes in dealing with this topic.

 

[Myriads]

Once again. People are drifting off topic here, by leading the argument to side issues and off the main point.

Here is what this thread has become a discussion of:

Were these guys actions correct or not? Why? Why not?

What constitutes appropriate in our community?

Focus on these points in your debate. Do not drag the topic off the tracks by trying to change the debate focus to another posters remarks.

If you feel the topic of "Was the OP dehuminized by the reception to his post" Please open a thread to discuss that. It's a valid topic, but not for this thread which already has enough issues.

Myriads