Gay People...

[Deleted member 2452]

sorry tron, but i disagree

if it has to come down to this so be it. my holding my wife's hand in public is "normal". 2 queers holding hands in public is not!
when i am at work i don't talk about my sexuality, it's concidered uncoth. i leave it at home, as i believe most do. why can't homosexuals? you're there to work, not to come out!

funny how you throw out my families personal experiences, with a red harring like hetro's rape too. we're not talking about heteros, we're talking about homos. specificly homos in positions of authority. i remembered another incident, that happened in high school. a male gym teacher, his name was mr. piggy. he was also a foot ball coach. this was at sullivan high school early '70's.
he raped one of the football players! the kid was bleeding from the rectum (gee just like me) battered, bloody. he was a friend of mine, so i know what happened. i was also the second person on the sceen. the first kid that found him pulled the alarm (not fire alarm) and the principle came running. with in 10 minutes the cops were there and mr.piggy was leaving in hand cuffs.

and no, YOU ARE WRONG! the chinesse guy was in his late 30's! dan rather had talked about him extensivly. and after his puppet trial, it was in the news papers.
steve

 

[TklDuo-Drew]

Giantfan, Nice to see yet another Rush fan here.

Although I also prefer the older stuff , they usually have good songs on even their most recent cds. I like the fact that they've gotten away from their mid-80s "Police-sounding" era and have more guitar-based songs like "Show Don't Tell" and "Stick It Out".

Can't go wrong with any of their live albums, especially "Exit, Stage Left" and "All the World is a Stage". (With that kick-ass version of "What You're Doing")


Drew


PS: Oh, and forgive me guys for jumping off topic ONCE AGAIN, lol

😀

 

[Neutron]

Steve..

You miss the point. You stated Gays were more likely to rape. That's simply not true. Your bias should be against rapists, not homosexuals.
Also, homosexuals are not any more likely to show off their sexuality than a hetero. Do you not hve a hetero "Don Juan" at work? My guess is you do.
AS for your wife. It was a rhetorical question. You stated sexuality belongs in private. Yet you openly display yours. Why the exception?

You haven't said one thing that makes sense.

AS for the Chinese guy. There never WAS a trial. He was arrested and simply disappeared. And yes he was 19 years old.

Tron

 

[Mimi]

Re: sorry tron, but i disagree

if it has to come down to this so be it. my holding my wife's hand in public is "normal". 2 queers holding hands in public is not!

"Love" and any mild public expression of it, is normal. Regardless of the package it's displayed it.

Mimi

 

[Dave2112]

Giantfan and Drew, thanks for your posts. Just so we don't wind up hijaking this thread and steering it off-topic, we can continue the Rush talk on this thread that I just started...

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36336

This a pretty good topic Tron's started here, so let's not get it off course. But thanks for your input, and check out the thread.

😎

 

[Deleted member 2452]

you're wrong again tron

i really do respect you ,and stuck up for you in another thread recently, so my disagreement in this thread has nothing to do with any possible personal grudge. none exists.

now, the chinesse guy ,once again you are mistaken, wrong, verklumpt.
he did have a show trial, and was near to 40, like 38, or 39.

no i never said homosexuals were more likely to be rapists! that is a total fabrication on your part! i dislike people putting words in my mouth on any issue, and especialy in one so charged as this one is.
being a donjuan at work is different than going around saying, hey, i'm queer! or hey everyone, i'm hetro, and just love that pussy!
if a homosexual went around his/her work being a don juan, they'll be loose a few teeth or be fired real quick.
there is a difference between being a don juan, and be open about something so private as one's sexuality/preference.
again, what's wrong with keeping such info to your self? why the need to expose your queerness to the work place? fo your info, i also dislike when co-workers talk about their straight sexual carryings on.
work is for work, not for discussions of sex. why is that so hard to understand.
mimi, i respect you, always have, hope i always will. but i disagree with your last post completely.

now if any wishes to discuss this further, please do so from a position of what i have said, not from a twisted version of what i have said!

 

[Dave2112]

Re: Steve..

You miss the point. You stated Gays were more likely to rape. That's simply not true. Your bias should be against rapists, not homosexuals.

This is true, at least from my own standpoint. If this gym teacher had it in him to rape a student, the only thing that his homosexuality had to do with it was his choice in victim-gender. Don't you think that if he were straight the only thing that would have changed would have been the sex of the victim. He'd have done it to a young girl instead. It's still a rape, he's still a criminal and a scumbag and still an abuser of power.

One more quick thing. I've asked the guys responding to my choice in music to take that conversation to another place. If you two want to continue to debate the Chinese dissedent's age and what became of him, why not take that to another thread, so as not to get this valid topic going in the wrong direction? It would be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Dave 😎

 

[Neutron]

Steve..

I'm not twisting anything you say. I'm just pointing out the fallacies in your logic. On one hand you say Keep sexuality private, then you say that only applies to gays.
You also say Gays would be punched out at work if they hit on someone. I'll tell you now that wouldn't happen at my place.
I did say anyone posting here has the right to their opinions. And that of course includes you. I won't bash you for your opinion, BUT your logic is faulty.
Tell me this, Policemen have been known to abuse their authority, and in some cases shoot people just because they can. Does that mean you hate all policemen?

Tron

 

[Deleted member 2452]

you're still twisting my words tron!

i never said only homosexuals should keep their sexuality at home, and not bring it to work. quite the contrary, i said everyone should. i believe i said (too lazy to go back) work is for work ,and not talking about sex/preferences. why can't you get this straight?

i have personaly seen a homosexual get smacked for touching another person at a job. i myself punched out a homosexual for grabbing my ass in a bar. yes it does happen, just cause you haven't seen it, or refuse to admit it (cause it will lessen your argument) doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

my logic is just fine, it's just that you don't like it, so you claime it's faulty. your judgement is being affected by your personal feelings.

don't get me started about cops!even though i was one, and my father spent his career as one, doesn't mean i have much use for them at all! but to your point, i have never heard of a cop shooting smeone just for kicks. next example?

steve

 

[Rapid Assassin]

Personally, I wouldn't care. I have no reason, or right to care anyway. What makes a person happy and doesn't harm others is OK with me.

 

[Iggy pop]

Do I have problem if my accountant or lawyer is gay? No, not at all. This is different than being on a sports team with a gay guy becuase there is little phyical contact and you do not shower with your accountant. Yes, in that situation I may feel uncomfortable with a gay guy being on the team.

As for agressive gay guys and rapists, gay guys are still guys,and some like their hetrosexual counterparts behave very inappropiately. I have no problem punching out a gay guy if he gropes you, but bashing or attacking somebody just because he is gay is wrong in my opinion. I agree the majority of sexual predators are hetrosexual men.

On a side note, I once went to a dance club and got into a conversation with a gay guy. He was very flirty, but not over aggresive. He later introduced me to his very cute very ticklish fag hag.

 

[Oblesklk]

Re: you're still twisting my words tron!

i never said only homosexuals should keep their sexuality at home

Followed by...

my holding my wife's hand in public is "normal". 2 queers holding hands in public is not!

So I'm confused. Doesn't your above sentiment demand you and your wife keep your sexuality at home (i.e. don't hold hands in public). I like differing opinions as much as the next freedom loving individual.

Hate double standards.

So explain to me why this is valid. And leave work out of the argument totally. You and I are in total agreement on that issue. Work is for work, keep the libidos in the bedroom and on the hard drive 🙂

 

[Neutron]

Well Said..

Oblesklk. I'm glad someone said it in that fashion.

Iggy Pop... . Well said also. Again what you're saying is you aren't uncomfortable with a person being gay, you're just uncomfortable being in certain situations with a gay guy. Am I correct? There's nothing wrong with that.

Tron

 

[Oblesklk]

Re: thanks for your response tron.

any homosexual who would work in a urologists office is a fool, who's just looking for trouble.

How about instead of what you've said above, let's go with your other sentiment, which I thought was a much more sensible way of approaching life: act like a damned professional in your job, and there wouldn't be any problem. Period.

Do I care if my doctor's gay? Not a chance. If he's a good doctor, he should act like a profesional, just like anyone else. His relationship with me is not a sexual one, it's a professional one. He has a job to do, and he better damn well do it, regardless of what he does after hours. If he can't do his job professionally, he should stop doing it and wasting people's time. If he can display the same competence as any other in his chosen field, then there really isn't a problem, then is there?

what it all boils down to is, leave your sexuality at home where it belongs! no one out side of your lover needs to know about it.

Nice advise.

Except that anyone reading this thread knows that both Steve and I have tickle fetishes, which is arguably one of the more intimate personal details in our lives. Oops, not exactly kept with my lover where it belongs 😉

Ok, I admit, now I'm screwing with ya. Last paragraph was tongue in cheek.

 

[Deleted member 2452]

it's a cultural thing.

in the middle east men hold hands, and are not homo.
if you intimated that they were, you'd be gutted like a fish.
but here in america two men (not of middle eastern birth)swishing down the block holding hands is not normal. i have seen it done, and have seen the looks on the faces of all those that pass them! looks of disgust. so yes i do see a big difference between my wife and i, and 2 homo. men, or 2 homo. women holding hands.
look, either you get it, or you don't. it's just wrong.

i've worked with a neuro. dr., he said in medical school he gave up on the idea of being a gyne., due to the high incidents of acusations of impropiety. that's being realistic.

steve

 

[Oblesklk]

Re: it's a cultural thing.

so yes i do see a big difference between my wife and i, and 2 homo. men, or 2 homo. women holding hands.
look, either you get it, or you don't. it's just wrong.

And that's probably where the debate will end, as it takes too long to say anything productive over the net, and blasting at each other, even if it's respectful, will probably not do much to sway our opinions 🙂

I do not think it's wrong, at all. And that's where we'll leave our differences.

i've worked with a neuro. dr., he said in medical school he gave up on the idea of being a gyne., due to the high incidents of acusations of impropiety. that's being realistic.

Maybe it's being realistic...

I would argue he's not competent, if he himself can't trust himself to keep his hand off his patients. Being able to act professionally means just that. Leave the excuses at the door. If he can't handle a nude woman in any form, then he is incompetent in his chosen vocation, and should immediately choose another where it will not matter.

If he's concerned about OTHERS being falsely accused of impropriety, and doesn't want to fall into that trap, I'd suggest to not worry about it, get a reasonable about of professional liability insurance, act like a professional, and whatever happens, happens.

That's also being realistic. I can't possibly live my life with the fears and worries of what "may" happen if I leave my house or get into my car, or give advise to a client that isn't 100% accurate. It's an accepted risk. You do what you can to reasonably minimize it, and you get on with things.

Then again, I have been known to have very high standards when it comes to people I deal with on a professional level. I come down on folks sometimes, perhaps too harshly, because of it. I don't know your friend from Adam, it's just a conclusion based on the small amount you've stated above.

in the middle east men hold hands, and are not homo.
if you intimated that they were, you'd be gutted like a fish.

If this is a recurring trend, then I'm not going to sit here and tell you that middle eastern culture has all the answers to life 😉

Steps taken in a reactionary and emotional manner have never impressed me. There are supposed to be reasons we are separated from animals.

 

[Iggy pop]

Re: it's a cultural thing.

in the middle east men hold hands, and are not homo.
if you intimated that they were, you'd be gutted like a fish.
but here in america two men (not of middle eastern birth)swishing down the block holding hands is not normal. i have seen it done, and have seen the looks on the faces of all those that pass them! looks of disgust. so yes i do see a big difference between my wife and i, and 2 homo. men, or 2 homo. women holding hands.
look, either you get it, or you don't. it's just wrong.

I live in Los Angeles and that is not really that big of deal here. People do not have looks of disgust they just ignore it. I guess in many parts of the country it is not that way. Of course, even today in many parts of the country two people diffrent races holding hands can bring looks of disgust. That does not mean it is right.

 

[Deleted member 2452]

sorry you joined the discussion so late oblesklk

you have a way of disagreeing, and not being disagreeable.

as re: the dr. i knew. he was concerned about false accusations. he was a most compatent neuro surgyn, and i should genuinely doubt he would have been any less so as a gynecologist. the malpractice ins. for a neuro man is only a few bucks less than a gyne. so it wasn't the ins. money. it was the threat of being falsly accused, for malpractice suits. another realistic reason is, sexual harrassment accusations are grounds to loose your hospital privilages! that is not to be skipped over lightly! which briongs us back to homosexuals. they are also under the same scrutiny, though, due to it being the same as have endangered species status, most sexual harrassment accusations against them must be witnessed, and multiple incidents.
can we say "double standard"?

you are correct, we'll never change each others minds, but then, did anyone in this thread think they would? all we are doing is trying to justify our closely held personal beliefs.

steve

 

[grippedchimp]

Those gays. Who do they think they are? They think they're so good with women with their sense of humour and all! See how many lady friends they got? And they're so damn stylish with their groovy dress senses and fashionable haircuts! And lesbians: Gee, they get more ladies than I do! Man I'm jealous: Gays and lesbians have great sex lives, blah blah blah blah blah...

Nah I'm only joking, I don't hate gays and lesbians at all. As long as they are good fun to be around, as well as having a decent living, then I wouldn't mind them. Have to admit, I was homophobic once, but then again I grew out of that in my mid-teens. Thing is though, I only know one or two gays. There are not many around my area, but that's because I live near a homophobic area in London, which is a shame.

 

[TicklishSinner]

Wouldn't phase me, I know plenty of gay people.

 

[Knox The Hatter]

Hmm....

"...I am not sure i would know when a gay guy was "coming on to me" in a work place type situation, but then again, I never know when women are doing it either! I,m usually too busy shouting down the fone at some poor sod."


Oh, you'd know, if it happened. Trust me...it happened to me. Sure feels strange. However, I do NOT think I have the perogative to physically assault the person doing it, unless the situation became completely untenable (and fat chance it has of getting that far anyway), and even then, it doesn't warrant maiming the poor bastard for life.
I'm not gay. I do, however, live and let live. I also do understand where Steve's coming from as well...his reticence about public displays of affection and all. However, I live near and shop in New Hope, an entirely gay town, and I have never, ever seen public displays of affection such as he described. In such an open atmosphere, maybe you don't need them.
Lots of "Gayana" on TV nowadays. I do my best to avoid any depictions of them that are gratuitious and exploitive ('Normal Ohio', etc) or shows created by gays with a very heavy and sharp emphasis on the crassly material ('Sex In The City'). I prefer real life...gays as I know them, in my family, within the course of life, so I would gravitate towards TV that depicts them as such. Most true to life gay character I've ever seen's Will on 'Will and Grace'.
They're people. Real people, with heads and arms and fingers and toes and brains. Many have a quite skewed way of looking at life, but isn't that to be expected? Just because my philosophy is to live and let live, to accept their way of life, doesn't mean I'm about to hop into my pickup and drive to Borders and hang out in the Alternative Lifestyles section for enlightenment, or to satisfy some need to experience a taste of this lifestyle out of sympathy. I guess in this day and age, when we're all trying to ascend to this new plane of tolerance for others who are different from what we are, and having trouble doing so, my attitude's about as enlightened as you can find, really, if you think about it.

 

[Deleted member 2452]

very well said knox!

i too was "hit on" at a hospital i worked at. i politly said no, and thought that was it. it wasn't. he persisted, weedled, cajoled, and finaly touched me in a very inappropriate manor, and place.
i did not hit him, i wanted to, but i am a consumate professional when it comes to my nursing career. i reported it, to the head nurse, and personnal. nothing was done! he was only warned not to touch co-workers. that's why i posted earlier that there is a double standard, and that it takes multiple episodes for homosexuals to be dissaplined.

look i just don't think the whole world needs to told about everyones sexual preference, nor should everyone have to accept others sexual preferences. let's keep sex at home.

steve

 

[Sadistictickler]

lol

one of my favorite things to do at school: making fun of gay people. it's not that I or one of my friends is anti-gay or something, they're just different and well, the anal-humor level is quite high amongst my friends

 

[BigJim]

Re: My Opinion..

I of all people should have had a finally honed sense of "Gaydar". Fact is, unless someone told me I couldn't tell. And neither could any of you.

Tron

So look at Graham norton and tell me you could'nt tell! . 😛


Personally I've worked with two gay people. Being the progressive libertine that I am it didn't bother me a bit. I wasn't fussed about working in a confined space with someone. I wasn't worried about sharing cutlery in the canteen.

 

[BigJim]

Mike: Dude I don't know what it is, but you come across in a totally different light these days. I don't know whether you've had a big character change, or whether you're just growing on me (kind of like a wart on my arse), but things you say lately just seem to click with me now.

Steve: I of course already knew about your abuse. I don't think there's much doubt (in my mind anyway), that you've let your whole view of a segment of society be drastically coloured by the actions of a few members of it who were unutterably evil. It's a bit like saying that all Iraqi's like to gas children in Iran because Saddam Hussein did or that all Englishmen are limp lefties because you think I am. Of course I can speak from the realms of not having had to suffer something so traumatic, so perhaps what I say comes across as horribly patronising. If it does, please be assured that I don't intend it to sound that way.
I also don't agree with your concept of "normal". You say that two guys holding hands is not normal, but from who's point of view? As you say, Arabs are a lot more affecionate without necessarily being poo-pokers. If guys from the west hold hands, they're generally gay. Why isn't that "natural", or "normal"? Homosexual behaviour is extremely prevalent in the animal world. What do you judge "normal" by?

Anyway Steve, no offence meant towards you, I promise. I'm simply putting forward my views in response to the ones you put forward. 🙂