A slap on the back is far from a poke in the ribs to tickle someone, namely guys doing this to each other. My co workers may slap me on the back for a job well done, but never would i get tickled. Someone would get a beating. Co worker or buddy, a slap on the back from a fellow dude is not the same as a tickle.
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How I know that most m/m tickle lovers are STRAIGHT
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GoForTheLaugh
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I fear some people are missing the point here.
I have no doubt that many (probably most) straight guys would never engage in M/M tickling. And those of you who spoke about bowling alleys and offices... Yes, it is unlikely ever to take place there. Many males engage in slaps on the back; far, far less engage in M/M tickling. I am not arguing with those points at all.
In addition, when a guy is into sexual M/M tickling, even I would draw a different conclusion.
Again, I am talking about the non-sexual variety, something that does not appeal to everyone. I realize that there are many folks in the tickle community who find tickling sexual all the time, so that may not make sense to them.
My point is only to state what I have seen, and since I know the guys (Do I have to be stereotypical and say that they are married with kids and that some of them were in the military?), I know that they are straight. I have been out of the closet for almost twenty years, and all my friends know. If any of my childhood friends were gay, I would know.
In addition, some straight males have even posted in this thread about M/M. I am a newbie, but you know these folks. It seems to me that their posts are overwhelmingy about M/F and F/M.
In the end, no one need accept anything in his or her own life that feels weird. No one is going to try a new form of tickling because of this thread. This is merely a discussion, one I find interesting and hope you do as well.
I have no doubt that many (probably most) straight guys would never engage in M/M tickling. And those of you who spoke about bowling alleys and offices... Yes, it is unlikely ever to take place there. Many males engage in slaps on the back; far, far less engage in M/M tickling. I am not arguing with those points at all.
In addition, when a guy is into sexual M/M tickling, even I would draw a different conclusion.
Again, I am talking about the non-sexual variety, something that does not appeal to everyone. I realize that there are many folks in the tickle community who find tickling sexual all the time, so that may not make sense to them.
My point is only to state what I have seen, and since I know the guys (Do I have to be stereotypical and say that they are married with kids and that some of them were in the military?), I know that they are straight. I have been out of the closet for almost twenty years, and all my friends know. If any of my childhood friends were gay, I would know.
In addition, some straight males have even posted in this thread about M/M. I am a newbie, but you know these folks. It seems to me that their posts are overwhelmingy about M/F and F/M.
In the end, no one need accept anything in his or her own life that feels weird. No one is going to try a new form of tickling because of this thread. This is merely a discussion, one I find interesting and hope you do as well.
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The fact is that after puberty I never even wanted to have a guy touch me. Sure hug a budy you haven't seen in a while, or squeas the shoulder as a show of moral suport. But tickling, thats like foreplay to me. I've also heard about Frat houses Tea-Bagging new memebers also, witch is why I would never have joined one. As for sport, if some fucker had ever tried to shave my balls I would cut his off next time I saw him.
As far as I'm conserned any guy who realy enjoys tickling other guys is gay. I don't have a problem with it, I am proud to say that I even suport gay mariage. Like Cathy Lee says "why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us.". But if you like tickling guys, your gay.
Fact is Goforthelaughs, most of the men here vew tickling a a sexual thing. As far as the F/F stuff goes, I don't know what Steve is talking about. I like Lezbian porn, but have no intrest in men. It's also a fact that women tend to be more touchy with each other anyways. Girls hug and kiss all the time, it's not so much about sexual as it's just more excepted.
The fact is that after puberty I never even wanted to have a guy touch me. Sure hug a budy you haven't seen in a while, or squeas the shoulder as a show of moral suport. But tickling, thats like foreplay to me. I've also heard about Frat houses Tea-Bagging new memebers also, witch is why I would never have joined one. As for sport, if some fucker had ever tried to shave my balls I would cut his off next time I saw him.
As far as I'm conserned any guy who realy enjoys tickling other guys is gay. I don't have a problem with it, I am proud to say that I even suport gay mariage. Like Cathy Lee says "why shouldn't they be as miserable as the rest of us.". But if you like tickling guys, your gay.
Fact is Goforthelaughs, most of the men here vew tickling a a sexual thing. As far as the F/F stuff goes, I don't know what Steve is talking about. I like Lezbian porn, but have no intrest in men. It's also a fact that women tend to be more touchy with each other anyways. Girls hug and kiss all the time, it's not so much about sexual as it's just more excepted.
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Wow I am shocked
It has been quite some time since I have last posted, and after reading many of the posts here I suppose I had to add my two cents.
After reading GFTL's initial post I disagreed with him as well, I believe that straight M/M tickling is more of a minority than gay M/M. If it were a majority you would probably see more websites devoted to non-nude men being tickled by other non-nude men. And more of it happening in everyday situations.
Me personally, I enjoy tickling of all sorts, gender was never an issue with me. If I were to icorporate tickling into sex, then it would only be with a female. But I've tickled guys before and guys have tickled me before, and none of us are gay. And I would resent being generalized as such. (Only because it would be a false accusation.)
What really shocks me is that there are short sighted people who just want to designate people as gay just because they tickled someone of the same gender. I guess by that logic then any gay person who tickles someone of the opposite gender is then straight, or at least bi-sexual?! We dont need to do this. If you are a guy and don't want to tickle another guy thats fine, just because there are others that will doesn't mean that you'll be made to do the same. So why go around saying with so much righteousness that a man who tickles another man is gay. It just incites unrest, and its a baseless arguement.
As far as those who never experienced tickling when growing up, thats not uncommon. And you are right, most young boys would rather die than be known as gay, but lets also remember most boys that age are at a very insecure time of thier lives, and some would die if they were seen holding the hands of a girl in public let alone tickle another boy. And for those of you who have never witnessed it, let me ask you this. Have you ever seen a 50 foot shark? No, does that mean it doesn't exist? Lets remember that there are a lot of people on this planet with us and assuming that our experiences are universaly shared is quite short sighted. If you would consider yourself gay for tickling another man, fine thats your bag; but labelling others as such is neither your right or your concern. People are who they want to be and nobody can say differently.
Finally, before I pass the soap box on to another person I just wanted to share something that my ethics teacher in college had us do our first day of class. She had us look up the word "opinion" in the dictionary. And it was defined as follows Opinion - An unjustified belief. I can't speak for the rest of you, but when I debate or argue with someone, I'd like my arguments to have some justification.
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It has been quite some time since I have last posted, and after reading many of the posts here I suppose I had to add my two cents.
After reading GFTL's initial post I disagreed with him as well, I believe that straight M/M tickling is more of a minority than gay M/M. If it were a majority you would probably see more websites devoted to non-nude men being tickled by other non-nude men. And more of it happening in everyday situations.
Me personally, I enjoy tickling of all sorts, gender was never an issue with me. If I were to icorporate tickling into sex, then it would only be with a female. But I've tickled guys before and guys have tickled me before, and none of us are gay. And I would resent being generalized as such. (Only because it would be a false accusation.)
What really shocks me is that there are short sighted people who just want to designate people as gay just because they tickled someone of the same gender. I guess by that logic then any gay person who tickles someone of the opposite gender is then straight, or at least bi-sexual?! We dont need to do this. If you are a guy and don't want to tickle another guy thats fine, just because there are others that will doesn't mean that you'll be made to do the same. So why go around saying with so much righteousness that a man who tickles another man is gay. It just incites unrest, and its a baseless arguement.
As far as those who never experienced tickling when growing up, thats not uncommon. And you are right, most young boys would rather die than be known as gay, but lets also remember most boys that age are at a very insecure time of thier lives, and some would die if they were seen holding the hands of a girl in public let alone tickle another boy. And for those of you who have never witnessed it, let me ask you this. Have you ever seen a 50 foot shark? No, does that mean it doesn't exist? Lets remember that there are a lot of people on this planet with us and assuming that our experiences are universaly shared is quite short sighted. If you would consider yourself gay for tickling another man, fine thats your bag; but labelling others as such is neither your right or your concern. People are who they want to be and nobody can say differently.
Finally, before I pass the soap box on to another person I just wanted to share something that my ethics teacher in college had us do our first day of class. She had us look up the word "opinion" in the dictionary. And it was defined as follows Opinion - An unjustified belief. I can't speak for the rest of you, but when I debate or argue with someone, I'd like my arguments to have some justification.
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SlaverTickler said:
I feel similarly but with a twist...while I've always been turned on by f/f tickling, I'm NOT turned on by two females in bed together/ engaged in sexual acts. That's what makes Steve's statement by the psychologist so ridiculous IMO.
For example, I enjoy WWE Diva's in bra & panties matches....I DON'T care to see Torrie Wilson and Trish Stratus french kissing in the middle of the ring. There's a helluva difference between two babes in a playful ticklefight and two babes sleeping together as lovers (one turns me on...the other turns me off).
Please don't misunderstand me....I'm NOT homophobic....because I believe 100% that what folks do in their own bedrooms is nobody's business but their own (as long as both parties are of legal age). Look at it this way: I don't personally care to suck a girl's toes....have never felt a desire to smell her shoes or recieve a footjob; but if others enjoy doing so, then more power to them.....LIVE AND LET LIVE. That's why I don't have a problem with guys tickling each other, regardless of their sexual orientation....just as long as it's not me they are tickling (ladies can tickle me all night...just as long as I can them tickle back
Also, I for one DON'T subscribe to the theory that all guys who enjoy tickling guys are gay. Toyou said he's straight and likes tickling guys...that's good enough for me (I believe him). I only said I'VE never felt a desire or wanted to tickle another guy....which is likely because of where I grew up; here in the deep south where even a man crying at a funeral is seen by some as weakness. My dad was one of those type...if I fell and hurt myself as a kid, he's say " don't cry son...be tough...walk it off". To dad, crying was for "sissies"; "real men" didn't ever cry (at least until mom died and dad cried like a baby - but NOT UNTIL several days AFTER her funeral; just he and I alone in the house
I'm honestly a little surprised this topic became so heated....after all, regardless of the details of your tickling fetish/ interest, everyone here is regarded by many Americans as "weird", "unusual", "kinky", "perverted", or worse. More than anyone on the internet, we should accept everyone who enjoys tickling/ being tickled, regardless of who and how they tickle. Because of my love for tickling, I've already been banned from two weather forums where I was well liked and respected.....AT LEAST until making my fetish for tickling pretty women's feet public knowledge. I went from well liked to loathed in hours (from informative poster to despised pervert in some folks eyes). I recently lost my girlfriend due to my fetish...even though she has a bondage fetish. WHY? She was afraid her ex-hubby would see something I posted here about her OR find out we were engaged in "tie up and tickle sessions", and use it in court to take their two youngest daughters away from her. I've known Traci since childhood; she doesn't disaprove of my fetish or my tickling her, but was afraid my tickling fetish could cost her teaching career and her kids; so afraid she broke off our relationship
I have a new weather related homepage online; not to mention a touching website dedicated in loving memory of a slain young law officer from my hometown; I don't post the links in my TMF profile. WHY?....because folks could learn my true identity from it.....I doubt the local sheriff department would want their fallen comrade honored online by someone they'd consider a "tickling perv". I don't want folks in my hometown (or my boss) to know I'm "turned on by tickling"; don't want to risk losing my job; don't want to risk being ostracised by neighbors and friends; don't want to become the #1 suspect by cops the next time a REAL pervert tries to accost a 12 yr old girl at Wal-Mart or breaks into an apartment to tickle an unsuspecting lady as she sleeps.
I've worked my entire life to establish a reputation as an honorable southern gentleman.....I don't want it tarnished or worse.
We above all others should WELCOME and ACCEPT anyone who enjoys tickling (as long as it's legal).....we should be the last people on earth to judge others who share our common interest and love for tickling....no matter who they tickle or who tickles them.
Just my 0.02¢ cents worth...
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Some really great posts here. This thread gets more and more interesting, and the depth and honesty of the last few posters has really struck me.
I am really sorry that some of you have lost relationships or status over your interest in tickling; I know that cannot be easy.
I now regret the title of my thread; I am a published writer in my real life, and I am used to using overly-assertive titles to attract attention. Perhaps my doing so here is partly to blame for the flames. If so, my error.
I started the thread with a theory based on data and personal observations, but now I am changing some of my interpretations. If I were starting the thread today, I would call it "How I know that straight m/m tickle lovers do indeed exist."
I am really sorry that some of you have lost relationships or status over your interest in tickling; I know that cannot be easy.
I now regret the title of my thread; I am a published writer in my real life, and I am used to using overly-assertive titles to attract attention. Perhaps my doing so here is partly to blame for the flames. If so, my error.
I started the thread with a theory based on data and personal observations, but now I am changing some of my interpretations. If I were starting the thread today, I would call it "How I know that straight m/m tickle lovers do indeed exist."
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re-read what i said, please!
i didn't say enjoying f/f tickling makes you gay. i said a psychologist told me that men who are aroused by f/f sexual activity, are more likely to be willing to try homosexuality them selves. big difference. i do happen to agree with this hypothosis though. to me any kind of same sex, sexual, or quasi-sexual activity; such as tickling makes my skin crawl. it just seems wrong. seeing 2 women tickling one another just makes me sad. seeing 2 men doing the same willl make me walk out of the room.
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KoocheeKoo said:Sorry friend, but I vehemently disagree with that statement...
I'm as straight as they come. I've enjoyed tickling pretty girls since age 11....have never tickled a guy; have no desire to tickle a guy.
Saying that, seeing two pretty girls tickling the daylights out of each other turns me on.....and has turned me on since I was a teenager watching my younger sis's female friends having ticklefights on our den carpet during slumber parties.
Don't get me wrong....it also turns me on to see a guy tickling a girl (especially if I'm the guy doing the tickling); but when I watch a tickling video (or witness tickling in public).....I honestly prefer f/f over m/f. The way this laid back Georgia gentleman sees it.....when it's f/f tickling, I get turned on no matter who is getting tickled (because I could care less about seeing a guy tickled by a girl).
There's also something very erotic to me about seeing a bound ticklish young woman's soles being stroked without mercy by the long painted fingernails of another young woman.....grrrr!!!
FYI: my sister's brother in law and father in law are both psychiatrists in Oregon. I'm dying to ask their opinion of women tickling each other.....and if enjoying it makes me gay
i didn't say enjoying f/f tickling makes you gay. i said a psychologist told me that men who are aroused by f/f sexual activity, are more likely to be willing to try homosexuality them selves. big difference. i do happen to agree with this hypothosis though. to me any kind of same sex, sexual, or quasi-sexual activity; such as tickling makes my skin crawl. it just seems wrong. seeing 2 women tickling one another just makes me sad. seeing 2 men doing the same willl make me walk out of the room.
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I bring this thread back up to speed here
Why does it matter if a guy that is into male/male tickling,why does it even matter if he is gay in the first place?
I mean so what who cares if he is or isn't gay?
If i had guy friends that were gay and they were also into male/male tickling. I really would not care that much one bit. As long as i knew that i straight and not into gay guys or even straight guys or male/male tickling. Thats all that should matter.
I would not care if guys tickled others guys. I would really not want to take part in anything like that with other guys or another guy. But i would at least try my best to accept them for who they are and what thier into alot or like doing from time to time.
If people were more accepting of (some) things that some people were into in thier day to day lifes. It would make things alot smoother and less rocky. When it came time to getting to know some one that your wanting to be close friends with or dating that person.
Why does it matter if a guy that is into male/male tickling,why does it even matter if he is gay in the first place?
I mean so what who cares if he is or isn't gay?
If i had guy friends that were gay and they were also into male/male tickling. I really would not care that much one bit. As long as i knew that i straight and not into gay guys or even straight guys or male/male tickling. Thats all that should matter.
I would not care if guys tickled others guys. I would really not want to take part in anything like that with other guys or another guy. But i would at least try my best to accept them for who they are and what thier into alot or like doing from time to time.
If people were more accepting of (some) things that some people were into in thier day to day lifes. It would make things alot smoother and less rocky. When it came time to getting to know some one that your wanting to be close friends with or dating that person.
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I just want to say that I think most people have experienced being tickled or have tickled someone in their lives. If guys want to tickle other guys, I might think that's unusual but I wouldn't necessarily think they're gay. It seems to be a double standard because it seems that f/f tickling each other is more acceptable than m/m tickling and it seems unfair that people see it that way. 
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I think if you are into m/m tickling that is cool. I dont think it makes you gay though there maybe certainly be some who are. I know people have accused me of being gay (not on this forum by the way) just because I am into f/m. That I really dont understand. I think it takes a real man to let a woman tie him up and tickle him. Anyway to me f/f, f/m, m/f, m/m is all cool. Just my humble thoughts.
Anyway to me f/f, f/m, m/f, m/m is all cool. Just my humble thoughts. Personally tickling is not always sexual for me, and so when I'm with my friends be they male or female, tickling sometimes ensues just for fun (though it's generally through poking in the ribs or something). I myself am a bisexual, but when I'm with two of my close male friends who are both straight, we sometimes wrestle and tickle fight can break out. Also my closest female friend sometimes joins in, but it's still just horse-play. I for one have no sexual feelings for either of these guys, and I think the tickling is about the humiliation of the other person rather than the sexual element, and as we know each other so well, there is no thought that there would be such an element.
I must say though that I think the majority of guys I know would not be able to seperate tickling and sex, and would see tickling another guy as gay. It's a shame that this is the case I think, but I guess if people are uncomfortable you must respect their feelings. And I think that while tying another guy down and tickling him isn't necessarily gay (see Yaqi's world for example) most guys I know would not be able to see it as anything other than that.
I must say though that I think the majority of guys I know would not be able to seperate tickling and sex, and would see tickling another guy as gay. It's a shame that this is the case I think, but I guess if people are uncomfortable you must respect their feelings. And I think that while tying another guy down and tickling him isn't necessarily gay (see Yaqi's world for example) most guys I know would not be able to see it as anything other than that.
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i'm not attacking anyone when i give my opinion that, m/m tickling (in my opinion) is quite gay. being a straight guy, i would never do it, or enjoy watching it, or knowingly download it and watch it.
this thread is a good one, because everyone can give their own opinion.
this thread is a good one, because everyone can give their own opinion.
*gags and vomits*
I've been reading the posts in this thread, and to tell you the truth? I'm just disgusted! Some people here have seriously deranged minds about gay relationships. And what's with using the word "Gay" as an insult? Is it wrong to be different? I mean, I thought some of the comments on this thread belongs to studends of the 7th grade who just learned about porno sites.
First off, tickling DOESN'T have be sexual, and to all the people who said they "never" saw a man tickling another, GET REAL! And, if you have such a big problem with the term "Gay" maybe you should stop watching all those F/F clips on your PC! Oh wait, are those differant than M/M in any way? NO!
I've been a lesbian from as long as I can remember, and have taken a lot of insults duing my 25 years on this planet, but this? This is just...Insulting. Seeing grown adults go "OMG M/M V1DEOS R TEH GAYNESS!!!111" is simply an insult to the human race and to the tickling community in particular.
In short, M/M watchers and doers are in now way gay, also, if they are, this shouldn't be used against them, we're all humans, with our own sexual prefrences.
I've been reading the posts in this thread, and to tell you the truth? I'm just disgusted! Some people here have seriously deranged minds about gay relationships. And what's with using the word "Gay" as an insult? Is it wrong to be different? I mean, I thought some of the comments on this thread belongs to studends of the 7th grade who just learned about porno sites.
First off, tickling DOESN'T have be sexual, and to all the people who said they "never" saw a man tickling another, GET REAL! And, if you have such a big problem with the term "Gay" maybe you should stop watching all those F/F clips on your PC! Oh wait, are those differant than M/M in any way? NO!
I've been a lesbian from as long as I can remember, and have taken a lot of insults duing my 25 years on this planet, but this? This is just...Insulting. Seeing grown adults go "OMG M/M V1DEOS R TEH GAYNESS!!!111" is simply an insult to the human race and to the tickling community in particular.
In short, M/M watchers and doers are in now way gay, also, if they are, this shouldn't be used against them, we're all humans, with our own sexual prefrences.
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GREAT post topic! Okay, here is my two cents lol. Now I am a girl, but I think that the whole male bonding thing is definately true. Also, most of the guys that said they wouldn't do it said they found tickling sexual. Not everyone in the world has a tickling fetish, actually, a very very small percent actually do. With that said, the sexual connection of tickling to men is not gonna be that way for all guys. I have seen SOOOOOO many of my straight guy friends tickle each other, and they do it to be dumb lol. It is a male bonding type thing. Sorry if I offended anyone.
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That is a very valid point. I think if someone sees all m/m as gay but not f/f they really have double standards.
But I don't think there necessarily has to be a sexual element in tickling. And even if someone does not see tickling as non-sexual that does not mean everyone thinks that way.
lishbeth18f_m/f said:
Exactly, it's often just for fun, it's not like every guy you see tickling another in public is automatically "in the closet" or whatever. Not in my experience, anyway.
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i'm not here to offend anyone. i was stating an opinion stemming from the title of this thread.
the title says that for a fact MOST m/m tickling lovers are straight men.
i for one don't think that is true at all, so i wanted to state my personal preference as a straight man.
i could care less if a man wants to tickle another man. if they enjoy it fine. they certainly have the right to do so. i'm not knocking that activity.
i'm only knocking the bold statement that most who do that are straight men. i highly doubt that. my goal isn't to denounce gay people or try and change them. but i also don't want them telling me, a straight guy that me and "my kind" love m/m tickling. because i don't.
the title says that for a fact MOST m/m tickling lovers are straight men.
i for one don't think that is true at all, so i wanted to state my personal preference as a straight man.
i could care less if a man wants to tickle another man. if they enjoy it fine. they certainly have the right to do so. i'm not knocking that activity.
i'm only knocking the bold statement that most who do that are straight men. i highly doubt that. my goal isn't to denounce gay people or try and change them. but i also don't want them telling me, a straight guy that me and "my kind" love m/m tickling. because i don't.
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GoForTheLaugh said:
TIB, he did try to change the title. and the thread wasn't intended to disprove anyone's masculinity in here. it seems like that's how most guys have been taking it...thinking that by saying that this does exist, you become less of a man.
not true, but it certainly does bring out the immature child in all of us apparently. (and i don't say that to anyone in particular.)
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I think part of the problem here is that people assume that what they have experienced is what everyone has experienced. Once again, I can only say what I have seen--and many people on this board have seen the same things.
I make no assumptions.
I also do not assume that my experiences are others' experiences.
I would further not assume that F/F tickling was necessarily lesbian. It might be, and there is nothing wrong with that. But straight women, too, might just be goofing around. (Seems I heard about a lot of that at NEST.) Heck, two lesbians might be goofing around non-sexually. Again, what is the big deal? Maybe gay men and lesbians get into tickle fights with each other, too. Is that a problem for anyone?
No matter your sexual orientation, having a tickling fetish is viewed very negatively by many--and this includes people who do give occasional tickles to spouses, people they are dating, or friends. That is all the more reason for us not to be judgemental.
I make no assumptions.
I also do not assume that my experiences are others' experiences.
I would further not assume that F/F tickling was necessarily lesbian. It might be, and there is nothing wrong with that. But straight women, too, might just be goofing around. (Seems I heard about a lot of that at NEST.) Heck, two lesbians might be goofing around non-sexually. Again, what is the big deal? Maybe gay men and lesbians get into tickle fights with each other, too. Is that a problem for anyone?
No matter your sexual orientation, having a tickling fetish is viewed very negatively by many--and this includes people who do give occasional tickles to spouses, people they are dating, or friends. That is all the more reason for us not to be judgemental.
