JJ Abrams Star Trek Sucks Ass (Lots of Spoilers)

[dusttick11]

I was under the impression that "Trekkie" was the more geeky and pejorative term.

Yeah being a long time Trek fan, I've always wondered, what was
suppose to be the more geeky of the two. I've heard conflicting
definitions, although I do know that one is a little bit more fan obsessed
than the other. You know with the dressing up and all that. I
fall under the category of just really enjoying the shows and movies
but I never dress up and I have never been to a convention.

Not that there's anything wrong with that. If it makes folks happy
and it's a nice escape for them, than good.

 

[dusttick11]

Pins Kirk came off more like a poor man's Zach Morris (remember Saved By The Bell).

Ouch, don't you think that's a little harsh.
I mean Zach Morris and a poor man's version at that.

Wow, That's rough. Ha Ha

 

[SlaverTickler]

Ouch, don't you think that's a little harsh.
I mean Zach Morris and a poor man's version at that.

Wow, That's rough. Ha Ha

Well I'll tell you what dusttick, you go and watch that movie (again?) and when Kirk bites into that apple during the Symulation you tell me if visions of young Mark-Paul Gosselaar don't pop into your head.

Off topic but Gosselaar has long hair now and it looks really wrong on him.

 

[The Last Laugh]

Yeah being a long time Trek fan, I've always wondered, what was suppose to be the more geeky of the two. I've heard conflicting definitions, although I do know that one is a little bit more fan obsessed than the other.

Most of what I've heard and read on the topic suggests that "Trekkie" is indeed the more "geeky-obsessed-loser" term. In fact, I've seen some ST fans correct people, telling them that the proper term is "Trekker" and that "Trekkie" is actually a bit insulting. Like serious ST fans call themselves "Trekkers", while "Trekkie" is mostly used by other people to make fun of them.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Most of what I've heard and read on the topic suggests that "Trekkie" is indeed the more "geeky-obsessed-loser" term. In fact, I've seen some ST fans correct people, telling them that the proper term is "Trekker" and that "Trekkie" is actually a bit insulting. Like serious ST fans call themselves "Trekkers", while "Trekkie" is mostly used by other people to make fun of them.

I guess I would fall somewhere in the middle. I am a continuity freak, but at the same time I don't own costumes or phasers guns, nor do I speak Klingon or anything like that. The worst thing about me, I guess, is that I have 2 coppies of each season of the original show, with one being the new "Remastered" addition with improved effects. I also have all 10 movies on casset (but I am currently trying to get them on DVD cause right now they are pretty cheep). The one mega-geek thing I would get if I could is the old-school captains chair I saw advertised in a magazine. It's 2g's American so I won't be getting it lol.


Live Long and Prosper.
ST

 

[dusttick11]

Most of what I've heard and read on the topic suggests that "Trekkie" is indeed the more "geeky-obsessed-loser" term. In fact, I've seen some ST fans correct people, telling them that the proper term is "Trekker" and that "Trekkie" is actually a bit insulting. Like serious ST fans call themselves "Trekkers", while "Trekkie" is mostly used by other people to make fun of them.

Yeah that's what I've heard as well, that "Trekkie" has kind of become
some sort of insult to Trek fans and they prefer to be called "Trekker".
Maybe the Hardcore Trek fans don't even know which one is worse to
be called. Ha Ha.

Interesting note, the "Next Generation" and "DS9"
were my favorites too, although I also really enjoyed "Enterprise".
I like the original series (the remastered edition really adds to the show)
and have mixed feelings about "Voyager". I feel it's eps were hit or miss,
to be fair though so were some of DS9s. Ultimately though I liked "DS9"
better than "Voyager".


I'm similar to SlaverTickler, I have some of the episode DVD sets, all the
movie DVDs and a few books. I also have some of the toy ships and a
few other Trek toys I collected when I was much younger,
but no costumes or anything like that.

SlaverTickler,

I will agree with that point. It was very Zach Morris..ish when
he was eating the apple and acting very nonchalant. I also
could have gone without the whole Scotty going through the water tubes,
that was a little cheesy IMO. I still did enjoy the film though, more than
you I take it.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

Ok, so there was a thread a while back about the new J.J. Abrams film called Star Trek, and allot of people thought it was a great movie. I came on this thread, with out having seen it, and ripped into it based on things I had read on the net about the story/plot of the film. The film itself isn't all bad. It is actually a pretty good Sci-Fi movie. However as a long time Star Trek fan it totally sucks ass as a Trek film.

1) As I have stated many times, James T. Kirk and Christopher Pike are supposed to be very close in age. Abrams can play with all the "After they implode up Vulcan" shit he wants to, but this is an established fact in the ST:U. It was stated in the episode "The Menagerie" (Part 1), and is proof that Abrams little bed buddies Kurtzman and Orci never watched an Episode in their lives.

2) Taking into consideration the fact that Jim's father wasn't there to support and encourage him to join Star Fleet I get why he turns out to be such a reckless ass hole. However the way he acts during the Kobayashi Maru test is retarded, and what happened to his "Accommodation for Original Thinking" (Star Trek II). Again everything up to the destruction of Vulcan should have gone the same for the most part. If they would have given him kudos originally then they should have given him Kudos this time

3) Making a green as grass fresh out of Star Fleet Academy a Captain of the Federations flag ship is stupid. It's like making me lead hand on on a construction job just because my predecessor had great respect for my father. It would be retarded and would never happen in any sort of military situation, and Star Fleet is (in part at least) a military group.

4)In an Episode called "Balance of Terror" it is explained that nobody in Star Fleet (or the Federation of Planets) had ever seen a Romulan, nor had the Romulans ever seen them (even after 100 years of war). Spock was surprised... well as surprised as a Vulcan can be anyway... to find out Romulans look just like his people. So how the hell did the Spock in this film know that the bad guys were an off shoot of his Vulcan blood... well probably because the guys who wrote the movie never watched an episode of the old show.... or maybe they just missed that one... and the Menagerie.

5) I have an interview with Nichelle Nicholes (whom Gene Roddenberry credited equally in Uhura's creation), and she believed Spock was a mentor to Uhura, so that part of the movie was good. The romantic interest was dumb as paint.

6) The editing in this film stunk, and the scenes were cut to fast. I am guessing this is what people were talking about when they compared it to that other movie... I can't remember what it's called... the one that looks like it was filmed with Cell Phone Camera's. I never saw that one, but I am guessing this is what they mean by it.

The best casting in the film by far, was Karl Urban as McCoy. All though to be fair to the actors none of them did a bad job with what they were given. It's just unfortunate that Kurtzman and Orci were to lazy to do a little research and get there fact straight on the back story or this could have been a I would have liked allot.

For those of you who are no doubt wondering why I would go to see this movie when I had already stated reasons why I thought it would suck. The answer is my father wanted to go, so I took him. He said he liked the movie, but that it could have been better.

I honestly believe that Kurtzman and Orci wrote what could have been a very enjoyable Sci-Fi film. Unfortunately they didn't believe in themselves enough to sell it on it's own merit and decided to use the Star Trek brand. From Kirk's stupid behavior in the Kobayashi Maru spot on ward the film gets dumber as it goes on, right to the stupid promotion of LT Green... I mean Kirk to Captain of the USS Enterprise. Don't worry though, you won't here me bitch about Abrams next two Sodomizations (not a real word but it sounds cool) of the Star Trek franchise, because I have already told the Old Man if he wants to see them he can take my mom.

"Bonk, bonk on the head J.J. Abram, bonk bonk!"

ST

1) What was stated in Managerie Part 1? That Romulus was going to blow up? If so, what is your problem with them blowing it up exactly?

2) how was it retarded how he acted during that test? And everything up to Vulcan should have be the same? I haven't read the other posts here so I don't know what they said, but that's stupid. THINGS CHANGED WHEN THE ROMULAN CAME BACK TO THE FUTURE!!! NOT WHEN VULCAN GOT DISTROYED. That's just stupid if you actually think that. For one thing Kirk's father didn't die orriginally. He died when the Romulans came back so from that point on things were different. And if you don't think that, I don't know you but that's kinda stupid, no offense.. and I hope no one gets mad at me for saying that. His father dying started the changing of things.

3) I do kind of agree with that. I think the writers wanted to take a short cut in getting to where Kirk runs the ship.

4) Just because they don't show it in the film doesn't mean they don't know that they're offshoots of the Vulcans. They've been fighting for 100 years, they must know something about them, shouldn't they? And actually i think they were Romulans in Enterprise, or an episode where they mentioned them and they did know some stuff about them. The one with the Romulan mine field.

5)and yes, i didn't like the romantic interest in Uhura. But taht's the only major thing I had with the movie.. I understand Kirk being different but nothing really changed for Spock, he shouldn't have had emotions for her, he didn't in the series, or movies..

6) I did not have a problem with the edition of the film.

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My views on the movie.. it was awesome. I'm not a major fan of the orriginal series even though I am a trekkie.. The orriginal series was good but The movies weren't that great, except for 4, it was awesome.. the others were just okay. I guess bc I like the new technology and how cool Next Gen was and I grew up on Next Gen, if I was alive when OTS was filmed I'd probably love it more.. but anyways..

I thought it was action packed, and it was hecka funny, especially Bones. I was soo impressed with how much he was like Bones. And the other guys did a really good job at being their roles. And i liked how Pike was not like Shatner bc Shatner bugs me.

I didn't like how they blew up Volcan. I thinkt hey should have been able to save Vulcan but I don't have a problem with how they did it. I do sort of like that they did it too and put the time traveler in it bc now they can make more movies and the time line will be shifted and so they can have all new adventues that OTS didn't have so they don't have to repeat the same stuff that way.. and I hope you read all this Slavertickler or whatever your name is lol

 

[SlaverTickler]

1) What was stated in Managerie Part 1? That Romulus was going to blow up? If so, what is your problem with them blowing it up exactly?

What was said was that Kirk and Pike were close in age, yet in the film Kirk is about 20 years younger then Pike... how does blowing up Romulan have anything to do with the age difference between Kirk and Pike? Answer, it doesn't

2) how was it retarded how he acted during that test? And everything up to Vulcan should have be the same? I haven't read the other posts here so I don't know what they said, but that's stupid. THINGS CHANGED WHEN THE ROMULAN CAME BACK TO THE FUTURE!!! NOT WHEN VULCAN GOT DISTROYED. That's just stupid if you actually think that. For one thing Kirk's father didn't die originally. He died when the Romulans came back so from that point on things were different. And if you don't think that, I don't know you but that's kinda stupid, no offense.. and I hope no one gets mad at me for saying that. His father dying started the changing of things.

It's stupid because he made no effort to even act like he hadn't screwed around with Spock's test. All I could think of was Mark-Paul Gosselaar from "Saved By The Bell" I half expected Tiffani Thiessen to show up in her cheer leader out fit and say "Oh Zach you're so sweet."

3 I do kind of agree with that. I think the writers wanted to take a short cut in getting to where Kirk runs the ship.

Thank you.

4) Just because they don't show it in the film doesn't mean they don't know that they're offshoots of the Vulcans. They've been fighting for 100 years, they must know something about them, shouldn't they? And actually i think they were Romulans in Enterprise, or an episode where they mentioned them and they did know some stuff about them. The one with the Romulan mine field.

Sorry man but it was stated in the show, and if by the time Kirk was in his 30's (Shatner era) they hadn't seen an Romulan, then it stands to reason that when in his 20 (Pine era) the Fed wouldn't have seen them yet either. Even in the Enterprise episode they never saw them, though the Romulans were able to see the humans. It had to do them using a romote controle ship using special breed of Andorian.

5)and yes, i didn't like the romantic interest in Uhura. But that's the only major thing I had with the movie.. I understand Kirk being different but nothing really changed for Spock, he shouldn't have had emotions for her, he didn't in the series, or movies...

So we at least agree on two points.

6) I did not have a problem with the edition of the film.

Well that is a simple matter of taist I guess I felt the cuts were two fast in certain places.
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My views on the movie.. it was awesome. I'm not a major fan of the orriginal series even though I am a trekkie.. The original series was good but The movies weren't that great, except for 4, it was awesome.. the others were just okay. I guess bc I like the new technology and how cool Next Gen was and I grew up on Next Gen, if I was alive when OTS was filmed I'd probably love it more.. but anyways..

I liked Star Trek IV as well, but anybody who thinks it's better then The Wrath of Khan simply has no right calling them selves a Trekkie or a Trekkor or anything else reffering to Star Trek Fandom. In fact I believe in my heart that if not for the awesome performance of Recardo Montalban as Kahn the Star Trek franchise would have dies with the first film. Also the events of Star Trek 2 lead to the events of Star Trek 4 thats why it's considered the Star Trek Film Trilogy,

TNG was great if you liked the idea of a French guy with a British accent and no balls.

I thought it was action packed, and it was hecka funny, especially Bones. I was soo impressed with how much he was like Bones. And the other guys did a really good job at being their roles. And i liked how Pike was not like Shatner bc Shatner bugs me.

I can't say enough about Bill Shatners contrabution to Star Trek, I can't say enough about it! There have been times when he's been worked over, fairly or unfairly, for this or that moment, or this and that performence. I can't tell you enough about what his contrabution meant for keeping... making Star Trek work.

-Lanard Nemo Star Trek III: The Search for Spock comintary

In other words if it wasn't for Shatner you wouldn't have this movie to enjoy. So put that in your pipe an smoke it Picard lover.

I didn't like how they blew up Volcan. I thinkt hey should have been able to save Vulcan but I don't have a problem with how they did it. I do sort of like that they did it too and put the time traveler in it bc now they can make more movies and the time line will be shifted and so they can have all new adventues that OTS didn't have so they don't have to repeat the same stuff that way.. and I hope you read all this SlaverTickler or whatever your name is lol

All this time travel stuff proved to me was that these guys were to lazy to research the show the same way Nicholas Myer did, and learn as much as they could from it about the characters they were writing about. You and GoodieLuver can talk about Alternet Time Lines all you want, but in any timeline when these people were born would be the same, and how old they should be wouldn't have been effected by the Romulans of the future coming into the past. Kirk would be older then Uhura and Sulu but he wasn't. McCoy would be about the age Pike was in this movie, and as I have said about 4 time now Pike and Kirk have been fairly close in age.

I have read all of it as my respoces should show.
ST

 

[Oddjob0226]

Did anyone catch the nude Nichelle Nichols photo, displaying her bare soles, in the 1980's foot fetish magazine "Footnotes"?

Any of you born then?

?


(and why did that red Cloverfield monster on Hoth ignore the one animal it killed then, instead, went after the smaller Kirk food morsel?

And why do hungry animals in movies always growl before they attack? That's not how real animals do it - they don't let on they are going to attack! Better odds in catching a meal if it is surprised & isn't told to run away by the thing that is trying to eat it. I figured JJ would have avoided this animal kingdom stereotype. But no).

 

[SlaverTickler]

Did anyone catch the nude Nichelle Nichols photo, displaying her bare soles, in the 1980's foot fetish magazine "Footnotes"?

Any of you born then?

?


(and why did that red Cloverfield monster on Hoth ignore the one animal it killed then, instead, went after the smaller Kirk food morsel?

And why do hungry animals in movies always growl before they attack? That's not how real animals do it - they don't let on they are going to attack! Better odds in catching a meal if it is surprised & isn't told to run away by the thing that is trying to eat it. I figured JJ would have avoided this animal kingdom stereotype. But no).

See, even more proof that they didn't do there research!

Odd+job=

Except that Nichell apeared nude in a 1960 issue of Escapade, not Footnotes

 

[TheTickleMonster]

What was said was that Kirk and Pike were close in age, yet in the film Kirk is about 20 years younger then Pike... how does blowing up Romulan have anything to do with the age difference between Kirk and Pike? Answer, it doesn't
ST

Yeah when you first said it and I was reading it, for some reason I kept thinking Pine not Pike, Pine is who played Kirk in the new movie so I was confused lol. Yeah, They were the same age, but oh well.. Or atleast a closer age difference, not like 20 years like in this movie... I didn't really have a problem with that though.

It's stupid because he made no effort to even act like he hadn't screwed around with Spock's test. All I could think of was Mark-Paul Gosselaar from "Saved By The Bell" I half expected Tiffani Thiessen to show up in her cheer leader out fit and say "Oh Zach you're so sweet."
ST

I didn't have a problem with how he acted during the test. He seemed to be acting like he screwed with the test to me, because he wasn't really doing anything. He was acting like he was confident that he was going to beat it so he wasn't worried.

Sorry man but it was stated in the show, and if by the time Kirk was in his 30's (Shatner era) they hadn't seen an Romulan, then it stands to reason that when in his 20 (Pine era) the Fed wouldn't have seen them yet either. Even in the Enterprise episode they never saw them, though the Romulans were able to see the humans. It had to do them using a romote controle ship using special breed of Andorian
ST

I didn't say that they didn't meet them. I said that they probably new some stuff about them. I mean they're doing a 100 year war, if they didn't know anything about them, the war wouldn't have had a reason to begin.
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I liked Star Trek IV as well, but anybody who thinks it's better then The Wrath of Khan simply has no right calling them selves a Trekkie or a Trekkor or anything else reffering to Star Trek Fandom. In fact I believe in my heart that if not for the awesome performance of Recardo Montalban as Kahn the Star Trek franchise would have dies with the first film. Also the events of Star Trek 2 lead to the events of Star Trek 4 thats why it's considered the Star Trek Film Trilogy,
ST

Just so we're clear, I am aware that 2, 3, and 4 are connected. I have seen all the star trek movies. I said 4 was the only one that was awesome. The others were okay. And Kahn did a good job, but I still think 4 was better. And I think I'm a Trekkie and just because you think 2 was better than 4 doesn't mean you can say that people that have a difference of opinion than you shouldn't call themselves trekkers or trekkies. Because it's called an opinion. You have your right to think 2 was better but I think 4 was better, I'm still a trekkie, leave it at that.

TNG was great if you liked the idea of a French guy with a British accent and no balls.
ST

I like that he was different than Kirk. We didn't need another Kirk as captain. We already had one. We needed a different type of captain.

I can't say enough about Bill Shatners contrabution to Star Trek, I can't say enough about it! There have been times when he's been worked over, fairly or unfairly, for this or that moment, or this and that performence. I can't tell you enough about what his contrabution meant for keeping... making Star Trek work.


In other words if it wasn't for Shatner you wouldn't have this movie to enjoy. So put that in your pipe an smoke it Picard lover.
ST

I didn't say Shatner didn't contribute to Star Trek. I just don't like him too much. His way of talking kind of bugs me a little. He can be a bad actor sometimes and I do think we'd have star trek without him. if someone else got cast as Kirk and not him, it probably still be as popular and you'd be saying we wouldn't have Star Trek without him, yadda yadda. And I like that Pine took a different aspect of Kirk and made him different for the new movie.

All this time travel stuff proved to me was that these guys were to lazy to research the show the same way Nicholas Myer did, and learn as much as they could from it about the characters they were writing about. You and GoodieLuver can talk about Alternet Time Lines all you want, but in any timeline when these people were born would be the same, and how old they should be wouldn't have been effected by the Romulans of the future coming into the past. Kirk would be older then Uhura and Sulu but he wasn't. McCoy would be about the age Pike was in this movie, and as I have said about 4 time now Pike and Kirk have been fairly close in age.


ST

I don't think the time travel thing had anything to do with them not doing research. I think it was a way for them to restart the show. To revamp it in a way I guess. With changing the time line they can do all new movies and I'm sure they'll do more movies based on this new Star Trek movie. And we're not going to force you to watch it..

oh, and my favorite commander was Sisco actually.. but he wasn't even my favorite character...

 

[venray]

I was there when Star Trek debuted as a regular TV show back in the days of 3 channels and no remote. I watched faithfully and watched the reuns over and over years later. I have attended conventions, talked with cast members, obtained autographs, and have enough Trek stuff to sink a ship.

Read many of the books and own the movies.

In the world of Trek nothing is ever absolute. Timelines come and go and the producers and writers always mess with us when reinventing the franchise. They know they can.

In the Wrath of Khan. Khan says..."I do know you...Chekov!"

False....when the original episode about Khan aired, there was no Chekov among the crew...he did not yet exist...so Khan could not have remembered him.....does this ruin the movie for the true trek fan, no, of course not.....

In fact, Walter Koenig (Chekov) jokes about it at conventions saying that he was in the bathroom on board during that episode which is why we didnt see him...lol

Point is, Trek is Trek and always will be as long as there is a sci Fi audience out there....Just introduced my 10 YO to Trek A weekend ago and already he is talking into a "communicator" asking to be beamed up....

Long live Trek in whatever form it may take....The original series will always be what Trek is all about for me....some series after that really sucked, but a true Trek fan works around the suckage and takes what he/she can get...

I have not yet seen the movie, but my brother (who is also a major fan of the original) says it was well done and worth the price of the ticket...

 

[Oddjob0226]

In the Wrath of Khan. Khan says..."I do know you...Chekov!"

False....when the original episode about Khan aired, there was no Chekov among the crew...he did not yet exist...so Khan could not have remembered him.....does this ruin the movie for the true trek fan, no, of course not.....

I've read that, if you go by star-dates, he was a member of the crew, just not seen on that episode. Like, you didn't always see Rand or Chapel.

Which is how they explain in terms of show continutiy that Khan recognized him in the film even though the character didn't even exsist at the time of the show.

Although I never actually checked this out.

 

[Oddjob0226]

Except that Nichell apeared nude in a 1960 issue of Escapade, not Footnotes

Since it was a picture of a young Nichell I'd guess that the Escapade photo was reprinted in Footnotes, then. 1984. The issue with the purple cover.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I didn't say Shatner didn't contribute to Star Trek. I just don't like him too much. His way of talking kind of bugs me a little. He can be a bad actor sometimes and I do think we'd have star trek without him. if someone else got cast as Kirk and not him, it probably still be as popular and you'd be saying we wouldn't have Star Trek without him, yadda yadda. And I like that Pine took a different aspect of Kirk and made him different for the new movie.

First off all I was quoting Lenard Nemoy from his comintary in Star Trek III. If you don't have the DVD then you should rent it. The part at the end where Spock mind has been returned to him, and he is talking with Kirk for the first time "I have been and ever shall be your friend... ship out of danger.". Nemoy praises Shatner for having the guts to have bravado and playing it big and Opromatic (I think that was the word). Shatnet is an actore who played a charatore, Pine was a puppet, Abrams put his hand up his ass and he said the line with no real charm, there was nothing really special about anything he said, and nothing memorable about how he said it. Like I said, the Poor Man's Zack Morris.

What Nemoy, and others, mean when they say No Shatner, not Star Trek, is that he helped make the show stand out. The connection he had with De Kelly and Lenard Nemoy was a 1 in a million chance of happening. You can think what you want, but if any of the cogs in that weel had been different, especialy the trinity of Kirk Spock and McCoy this franchise wouldn't have been the cult favorite it is today. Thats why when you say Star Trek people thing of William Shatner right away. His over the top performances endeared Kirk to people, but I wouldn't expect a fan of the hum drum underwelming "action free" Next Generation era to understand that.

 

[SlaverTickler]

In the Wrath of Khan. Khan says..."I do know you...Chekov!"

False....when the original episode about Khan aired, there was no Chekov among the crew...he did not yet exist...so Khan could not have remembered him.....does this ruin the movie for the true trek fan, no, of course not.....

In fact, Walter Koenig (Chekov) jokes about it at conventions saying that he was in the bathroom on board during that episode which is why we didnt see him...lol

Yeah, when I watched Wrath of Khan for the first time I was reall young and didn't even realize he wasn't on the show yet. When I found out I just decided "The was a Checkov, he just wasn't on camera", and thats how I dealt with it. Little things like that I can get around with some imagination.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

I was there when Star Trek debuted as a regular TV show back in the days of 3 channels and no remote. I watched faithfully and watched the reuns over and over years later. I have attended conventions, talked with cast members, obtained autographs, and have enough Trek stuff to sink a ship.

Read many of the books and own the movies.

In the world of Trek nothing is ever absolute. Timelines come and go and the producers and writers always mess with us when reinventing the franchise. They know they can.

In the Wrath of Khan. Khan says..."I do know you...Chekov!"

False....when the original episode about Khan aired, there was no Chekov among the crew...he did not yet exist...so Khan could not have remembered him.....does this ruin the movie for the true trek fan, no, of course not.....

In fact, Walter Koenig (Chekov) jokes about it at conventions saying that he was in the bathroom on board during that episode which is why we didnt see him...lol

Point is, Trek is Trek and always will be as long as there is a sci Fi audience out there....Just introduced my 10 YO to Trek A weekend ago and already he is talking into a "communicator" asking to be beamed up....

Long live Trek in whatever form it may take....The original series will always be what Trek is all about for me....some series after that really sucked, but a true Trek fan works around the suckage and takes what he/she can get...

I have not yet seen the movie, but my brother (who is also a major fan of the original) says it was well done and worth the price of the ticket...

You're cool Venray lol.. Just because you seem to agree with me and be on my side against Slavertickler 😛 My brother loved the new movie and he's a big fan of the orriginal series and he knows more about Star Trek than anyone I know. He thought it was an awesome movie, even with them screwing up the timeline.

and I have been to Star Trek conventions as well, and I have a Star Fleet Uniform and I bought all the toys as a kid and i've been John De Lance (Q) and Garret Wang (Harry Kim). And I've been to the Star Trek Experience more than once. I've seen all the movies.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

Yeah, when I watched Wrath of Khan for the first time I was reall young and didn't even realize he wasn't on the show yet. When I found out I just decided "The was a Checkov, he just wasn't on camera", and thats how I dealt with it. Little things like that I can get around with some imagination.

Of course you can, because like me, you also didn't grow up on the orriginal series so you weren't used to not seeing Chekov. But Chekov wasn't in that episode so like in the new movie the writers screwed up by adding that line in there.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

First off all I was quoting Lenard Nemoy from his comintary in Star Trek III. If you don't have the DVD then you should rent it. The part at the end where Spock mind has been returned to him, and he is talking with Kirk for the first time "I have been and ever shall be your friend... ship out of danger.". Nemoy praises Shatner for having the guts to have bravado and playing it big and Opromatic (I think that was the word). Shatnet is an actore who played a charatore, Pine was a puppet, Abrams put his hand up his ass and he said the line with no real charm, there was nothing really special about anything he said, and nothing memorable about how he said it. Like I said, the Poor Man's Zack Morris.

What Nemoy, and others, mean when they say No Shatner, not Star Trek, is that he helped make the show stand out. The connection he had with De Kelly and Lenard Nemoy was a 1 in a million chance of happening. You can think what you want, but if any of the cogs in that weel had been different, especialy the trinity of Kirk Spock and McCoy this franchise wouldn't have been the cult favorite it is today. Thats why when you say Star Trek people thing of William Shatner right away. His over the top performances endeared Kirk to people, but I wouldn't expect a fan of the hum drum underwelming "action free" Next Generation era to understand that.

I didn't have a problem with Pine's acting in the new movie. I doubt that JJ had his hand up Pine's butt. You just think that because he brought new life into Kirk and he wasn't exactly like Kirk and you can't understand why anyone can be different than the orriginal, or better, or whatever..

And I still think that Star Trek could have been just as successful with someone other than Shatner but i guess we'll never know because we can't go back in time and replace Shatner to see how good it would do. And just so you know it has nothing to do with me growing up on Next Generation and not The orriginal series.. I'm sorry that I was born in 83 which was around the time the 3rd movie came out. And just so you know, just because I grew up on TNG doesn't mean I'm not as much a trekkie as you, I just have different views. And it's not like you grew up on TOS either, you said you were a kid when 2 came out and that you didn't watch the show.. but growing up on the movies is not like growing up on the show, and just so we're clear, I've seen every star trek movie, have access to every star trek movie, and have seen every episode from every star trek show including TOS.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Of course you can, because like me, you also didn't grow up on the orriginal series so you weren't used to not seeing Chekov. But Chekov wasn't in that episode so like in the new movie the writers screwed up by adding that line in there.

Actually I did grow up on the original series. When I was a kid I went to see Star Trek: The Motion Picture with my parents, and we saw pretty much all of them together up to Star Trek VI. The first on I saw with out my dad was Genrations because he didn't like TNG, and it was the last one I watched in the theater because Trek with out Shatner and company just isn't Star Trek for me. Actually at the time I'm not even sure I had seen Space Seed yet, but I didn't need to, Khan is the best Trek villian ever, and Ricardo Montalban is such a great actor you just get lost in the performance. That dear reader was something this new movie was sadly lacking.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

Actually I did grow up on the original series. When I was a kid I went to see Star Trek: The Motion Picture with my parents, and we saw pretty much all of them together up to Star Trek VI. The first on I saw with out my dad was Genrations because he didn't like TNG, and it was the last one I watched in the theater because Trek with out Shatner and company just isn't Star Trek for me. Actually at the time I'm not even sure I had seen Space Seed yet, but I didn't need to, Khan is the best Trek villian ever, and Ricardo Montalban is such a great actor you just get lost in the performance. That dear reader was something this new movie was sadly lacking.

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree about this movie.. we both have different opinions, and that's that..

 

[SlaverTickler]

I didn't have a problem with Pine's acting in the new movie. I doubt that JJ had his hand up Pine's butt. You just think that because he brought new life into Kirk and he wasn't exactly like Kirk and you can't understand why anyone can be different than the orriginal, or better, or whatever..

What new life? I don't remember a single original line he used in the film. Other then an older then God the zinger in the bar "Go get some more guys and it will be a fair fight." there wasn't anything that comes to mind that he said that was really that funny or interesting. Not that I blame Pine, he is an actor taking direction from a lousy director following a lousy script, if anything I feel sorry for him.

And I still think that Star Trek could have been just as successful with someone other than Shatner but i guess we'll never know because we can't go back in time and replace Shatner to see how good it would do. And just so you know it has nothing to do with me growing up on Next Generation and not The orriginal series.. I'm sorry that I was born in 83 which was around the time the 3rd movie came out. And just so you know, just because I grew up on TNG doesn't mean I'm not as much a trekkie as you, I just have different views. And it's not like you grew up on TOS either, you said you were a kid when 2 came out and that you didn't watch the show.. but growing up on the movies is not like growing up on the show, and just so we're clear, I've seen every star trek movie, have access to every star trek movie, and have seen every episode from every star trek show including TOS.

Well the person who worked closest with Shatner says no, hell even George Takai who hates William Shatner one said "To watch Bill Shatner work in incredible, to work with him is something totaly different.". I never said I didn't watch the show, I grew up watching the old show in re-runs. I said I didn't realize that Checov hadn't been in the episode. I watched the first season of TNG and it had to be the most boring and uneventful excuse for Sci-Fi I've had the misfortune of viewing (until Deep Sleep 9 came out at least). ST:Voyager and ST;Enterprise took Trek back to it's roots or exploring and adventuring, unfortunetly I was so burned out on the TNG era of Trek I didn't watch alot of Voyager. The coolest episode of DS9 had some little fur balls in it, and Red, Yellow, and Blue shirts.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I guess we are just going to have to agree to disagree about this movie.. we both have different opinions, and that's that..

I can live with that.

 

[SlaverTickler]

You're cool Venray lol.. Just because you seem to agree with me and be on my side against Slavertickler 😛 My brother loved the new movie and he's a big fan of the orriginal series and he knows more about Star Trek than anyone I know. He thought it was an awesome movie, even with them screwing up the timeline.

Venray... against me... what? That can't be right? Besides, Venray is cool no matter who's side he's on... it would be better if he were on my side, but he is cool inspite of being on yours... is he is on yours.

 

[TheTickleMonster]

What new life? I don't remember a single original line he used in the film. Other then an older then God the zinger in the bar "Go get some more guys and it will be a fair fight." there wasn't anything that comes to mind that he said that was really that funny or interesting. Not that I blame Pine, he is an actor taking direction from a lousy director following a lousy script, if anything I feel sorry for him.

Lousy director? The millions of people that have made Lost pretty popular might disagree with you on that one. And I wasn't talking about new lines, I was talking about new acting style, he was different. he didn't studder when he said his lines..

Well the person who worked closest with Shatner says no, hell even George Takai who hates William Shatner one said "To watch Bill Shatner work in incredible, to work with him is something totaly different.". I never said I didn't watch the show, I grew up watching the old show in re-runs. I said I didn't realize that Checov hadn't been in the episode. I watched the first season of TNG and it had to be the most boring and uneventful excuse for Sci-Fi I've had the misfortune of viewing (until Deep Sleep 9 came out at least). ST:Voyager and ST;Enterprise took Trek back to it's roots or exploring and adventuring, unfortunetly I was so burned out on the TNG era of Trek I didn't watch alot of Voyager. The coolest episode of DS9 had some little fur balls in it, and Red, Yellow, and Blue shirts.

I loved DS9, not only did one of my favorite characters, Miles O' Brian from TNG become a main person but it was also different than the others. It was orriginal. It started off taking place in a space station instead of a ship so we could be introduced to more aliens and stuff.. Voyager was kind of orriginal and could bring new aliens as well bc it took place in the Delta Quadrent..

And if you are tryin to sound patronizing by saying "some little fur balls in it, and Red, Yellow, and Blue shirts." I'm well aware of what Tribbles are and I know you were talking about the TOS uniforms. And Trials and Tribblations is a good episode.