Shaming TMF Members who Upload Copyrighted Clips in Public Forums

[Fat Bastard]

I have decided to look for an alternative to posting personal information on my site.

You have his name & address, just send him a dead fish everyday until he removes the clip. The postage will be much less than one hour with a lawyer.

 

[yaqisworld]

You have his name & address, just send him a dead fish everyday until he removes the clip. The postage will be much less than one hour with a lawyer.

But where would I procure these dead fish? Assuming they exist in the first place.

 

[BlackestLily]

But where would I procure these dead fish? Assuming they exist in the first place.

I'd just do what they did in those Grumpy Old Men movies. Buy 1 fish and put it in his car under the seat and just let it rot.

 

[rhiannon]

But would any court really take this seriously?

A friend of mine paid a 5000 Euro fine because he downloaded movies from a website. He didn't even make them available.

So yes...this is taken more and more seriously! It's just a matter of somebody actually prosecuting it!

 

[Fat Bastard]

But where would I procure these dead fish? Assuming they exist in the first place.

http://www.fishonbait.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=49&Itemid=48

 

[goddess_nemesis]

It is dangerous for one to put them-self in that position, I feel no sorrow for that thief, for he is a troll. Please stop sobbing for a criminal, and start supporting law abiding hard working people. That is one thing that went wrong with this country, it chooses to protect the criminal.

I see if we were to replace the crime against "stolen video content" with your "credit identity", then it would be a crime, because it would affect your ability to earn and keep your money. (That is exactly what producers are trying to accomplish to earn and keep their money.)

As stated before, invest your time and money, watch someone steal it and then respond!

Because I'm not a producer, I can't respond to this thread.

I feel for the producers who put their time and money into creating something that someone else will steal and distribute willy-nilly. It sucks, but go about it legally.

Is the amount of money you lost because of a pirated clip even worth ruining a person's credit history, money stolen, debt being racked up, literally destroying a person's an entire life and will take years and years to fix? Is it worth being sued yourself because you posted that person's personal information on the internet?

Take the legal steps. Don't be a vigilante and take matters into your own hands by posting personal information about a person on the internet. That criminal can in turn sue you for damages that you caused because of it. Is that legal nightmare worth it?

 

[miskiduk]

That is one thing that went wrong with this country, it chooses to protect the criminal.

I can assure you that is by no means unique to America!
I don't think 'the legal system' actually cares anymore - so long as it makes a profit.

 

[Mitchell]

nemesis, I disagree with your statement. yaqi's not saying he's going to contact credit bureaus, etc. He's merely saying he's not going to allow the people doing this, access to the specific mediums they are pirating.

One of the posts mentioned a similar situation, and it makes sense. Say.. for example.. yaqi ran a physical video store, in a strip mall, or shopping mall, and someone came into his store, and managed to steal one or several videos, if there was no such thing as shoplifting censors. Then, the person made pirate videos, of the material they stole from yaqi, and kept or sold them for themselves. The person who did this, would be guilty of shoplifting, and video piracy, technically two seperate crimes, if I'm not mistaken. The penalty for shoplifting in a video store in a mall, would be very stiff: There would be fines, court appearances, jail time, etc.

I used to work for a company that had an internet shopping mall. While our mall had physical items, like shampoos, that people had to buy and ship, I can only imagine what the reaction would have been, if say.. the owner of the company sold.. "How to make money with this company clips" in our shopping mall, with the intent of charging.. $10.. for each how to clip, and then suddenly, people started stealing the how to information for themselves, pirating it for their own sale, and distributing it without the company's consent. I guarantee that said inviduviduals would have probably been sued by the company, reported to their internet service providers for engaging in a crime, and.. perhaps.. reported to the FBI for engaging in internet theft.

If my material was being stolen, and distributed, without my consent, I would be just as pissed as yaqi is.

Solution: If you don't want to be caught by producers for stealing and pirating their material, do one of two things. Either don't pirate the material.. or.. use it in the intended medium.. buy the clips, and keep it for yourself.

yaqi is protecting the livelihood of himself, and other producers affected by this. He has every right to do what's needed, in the confines of the law, to protect his livelihood.

Mitch

 

[goddess_nemesis]

nemesis, I disagree with your statement. yaqi's not saying he's going to contact credit bureaus, etc. He's merely saying he's not going to allow the people doing this, access to the specific mediums they are pirating.

By posting someone's name, address and whatever other information he had planned on sharing can be viewed by anyone. People who can use it to steal that person's identity which can result in damages that takes years and years to fix.

 

[yaqisworld]

By posting someone's name, address and whatever other information he had planned on sharing can be viewed by anyone. People who can use it to steal that person's identity which can result in damages that takes years and years to fix.

"The problem with copyright theft can only end with their complete and permanent destruction"
Dick Chaney

 

[Bohemianne]

"It is better that ten guilty escape than one innocent suffer." - William Blackstone

^ Some of them could have been using dummy.

 

[badreligion]

Who the hell are people to pirate my material for their own gains?

And you should read the entire thread. Based on the opinions and points made I have retracted that statement. I'm not too big to admit when I've had a bad idea.

Well then that is my mistake and I aplogize .

 

[badreligion]

Nervous, badreligion? Perhaps someone will pickup where Yaqi left off... if you steal, ya never know where your personal info might end up...

Nervous about what ? I don't buy clips .

 

[asutickler]

^ Some of them could have been using dummy.

This. There are TONS of ways to spoof your identity online. Many of them are so simple and low-tech that any idiot can do it.

 

[yaqisworld]

This. There are TONS of ways to spoof your identity online. Many of them are so simple and low-tech that any idiot can do it.

And some of them, in fact the offender in question, is just a big fracking idiot.

 

[BlackestLily]

This is beginning to feel like 12 Angry Men.

 

[Mitchell]

I agree with what Chrisums said, and it seems a middle of the road alternative, and would essentially guard against what nemesis mentioned, the idea of getting people's personal info from a post, and stealing the info for other purposes.

The producers know which people engaged in these offenses, so.. it would seem that theft would be a viable reason for an internet service provider to take action against a person. (As I've posted before, before I joined TMF, I got a Terms of Service warning from AOL, in 2002, merely for asking a girl a tickling question in a "vanilla" chatroom). If my isp could warn me simply for asking a girl a question, it would seem they could definitely take action against people who are stealing material that is legitimately copyrighted by producers.

I'm not an attorney, but this would seem common sense. Again, I hope yaqi can get to the bottom of this, and what was suggested could be a viable way.

Mitch

 

[wooyeah]

big time problem!

In my perfect world......We shouldn't be selling tickling. We should be sharing tickling.. lets make our fortunes in other ways.. It Would be sad to see this part of my life being overcome by the control of tickling company tycoons.

 

[Darkknight]

Hey Yaqi.... kill them all.

I always felt for producers but maybe cuz I've been around a while as a customer and appreciate what these guys and gals do to get clips made. I've read the stories from producers and the amount of cash poured in to make clips for our the love of our fetish.

You do what you have to do but of course protect yourself.

DK

 

[laughinggaszone]

And some of them, in fact the offender in question, is just a big fracking idiot.

Well, as a fellow producer, I can say that I know of and police many of these sites and have notified other producer's when I can. Unfortunately, there is just so much of it, that I can only do so much notifying. That's not the 5 year mission I signed up for. I know where Yaqi is coming from (I've had long arguements with several mods of some of these websites), and I wish him luck (most of these sites exist in countries with nebulous laws concerning digital copyright infringement) and a cautionary warning. Be damn sure you have the right person before you post one iota of info on them, because if you don't, they can and probably will put you on the business end of a nasty privacy infringement lawsuit as well as one for defamation of character. If you have legal counsel, then I suggest you seek their counsel anytime you decide to take such action. Unless it's airtight, you leave yourself open to the very same legal action you are threatening to use against those pirating your material. Best of luck.
LGZ

 

[venray]

There are several ways to verify users and to be quite sure of who they are. Even IP masks do not hide the original IP info...they merely make it posible to log into sites where an ip has been banned....but the originating IP info is still there to be found with the right tools...

Relatively simple actually.

As for privacy issues, if you violate the terms of service and post copyrighted materials then you lose whatever privacy rights you may have had....

Roast em Bro....

 

[LD_Tickler]

As for privacy issues, if you violate the terms of service and post copyrighted materials then you lose whatever privacy rights you may have had....

Roast em Bro....

Thaaaaaaaaat's completely untrue.

1) The privacy agreement and the terms of transaction are separate contracts. If I break one, a producer can't break the other to make us even.

2) Also, if I breach a contract, it means the other party now has authority to hold me legally accountable. It does not mean the other party is free to do whatever he feels is appropriate vengeance. That's called vigilante justice, and it's also illegal.

3) Also, ignoring everything else, revealing somebody's personal information to the world puts that person in physical danger. No moral system predicated on the principle of proportionality would recognize it as just payback for an unknown loss of sales.

In short, there's absolutely no way to spin this idea that isn't immoral, illegal, or stupid, and as I said before, I'm glad Yaqi recognizes that. Now he can take the legal action to which he is entitled, without destroying his case by doling out his own brand of justice.

 

[venray]

Thaaaaaaaaat's completely untrue.

The privacy agreement and the terms of transaction are separate contracts. If I break one, a producer can't break the other to make us even.

Also, if I breach a contract, it means the other party now has authority to hold me legally accountable. It does not mean the other party is free to do whatever he feels is appropriate vengeance.

And you would have less a chance in court than the producer...you would have to prove that you have been personally damaged by that info being posted on a fetish site in a public court....the producer can show a loss of revenue with relative ease....you would pretty much only be able to show that you were embarrassed..if that..

 

[LD_Tickler]

And you would have less a chance in court than the producer...you would have to prove that you have been personally damaged by that info being posted on a fetish site in a public court....the producer can show a loss of revenue with relative ease....you would pretty much only be able to show that you were embarrassed..if that..

That particular point was a moral one, not a legal one.

 

[venray]

That particular point was a moral one, not a legal one.

I am just saying that filing legal action in a public court is in itself a way of publicly "outing" the perp.....

so in a sense it is the same end result....

"moral"...? If you say so, but personally I think those that continuously give away others product for free are as immoral as they come and quite frankly deserve what they get...

a court case makes it a matter of public record....