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The Wrestling Thread!!

I wish they had all of the champions wrestling on both shows. You don't need two champions for each level.
 
thetmfobserver said:
Agreed, but doesn't there need to be more than just the World title on Raw? The tag belts are already unified, will we have an IC champ that goes on both brands as well?
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The "Brand Split" has been fubar from the start. In the beginning they had a chance to really do something a little different, but they fucked it up because of Back Stage politics.

RAW:
World Title
World Tag Championship
IC Championship
Women's Championship

SmackDown:
WWE Championship
WWE Tag Team Championship
United States Championship
Cruiser Weight Championship

If you were going to drop a title the WWE title is the one to lose. Go back to the days of the World Champion defending on RAW and SmackDown (PPVs)and have the IC and US titles be the belts that represent the each Brand. This way those belts have actual value. Put all the capable women wrestlers on RAW, and put the majority of Cruiser weights on SmackDown, and try to cut the talent down the middle, don't put all your mega-stars on one show, treat them both like they are the A-List show and let the fans decide who they like better.

A big mistake they made was losing Haymen and Cornett. These were two guy who were masters at booking, had different ideas on how to do things, and didn't like each other. Put one guy on RAW, another on SmackDown and get the fuck out of the way. You will have two well booked shows that are completely different from each other, and their personal differences will make them competitive with each other.

But hey, what do I know right? I've been saying Bret's getting back in the ring was a mistake since he signed for his match with Vince at Mania. Instead people just claimed "You're just pissed over the Screw Job." well let me explain something to those who said that. There are allot more reason then that to hate Vince McMahon. There is the death of Owen Hart, for witch the WWE is responsible. There is the fact that the company does to many tours in a year. When was the last time a Japanese wrestler died under 50, and how often does it happen if it does? The "Wellness" policy is a complete and utter joke. When the performers die, everybody shed tears and acts like they are sad or angry about it, but then they go back to watching other performers doing the exact same shit that killed the guy the week before.

The phoniest thing about Pro Wrestling isn't the stuff that happens on the show, it's the fans who watch it.
 
thetmfobserver said:
Bret Hart at least has SOME credibility in a wrestling ring, unlike David Arquette.

But it is dumb. Give a title to a guy who can't wrestle. Must have been part of his contract.
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He lost allot of his credibility when he agreed to win a title from a younger healthy performer with a long term future with the company. I don't think this was part of his contract, if it was, then it was pretty selfish on his part, and stupid on McMahon's part. Then again it's not like McMahon isn't capable of breaking his word... so I am going to go with the idea that it was a random idea some idiot writer came up with.

Coming back for the Hall of Fame and the DVDs made some sense, you could understand that. Even coming back to honour his father by inducting him into the Hall of Fame this past Mania most people can get, but this bull shit... I just don't get it. Even money doesn't excuse something this dumb.
 
All comes down to the mighty dollar. Bret Hart is a name that will make people who haven't watched wrestling in years tune back in. And truthfully, as much as it pains me to say it, the Miz doesn't need the US belt. The mid-major titles are to reward long time mid carders, or to promote up and coming superstars. The Miz' mouth makes him stand above that.
 
SlaverTickler said:
He lost allot of his credibility when he agreed to win a title from a younger healthy performer with a long term future with the company. I don't think this was part of his contract, if it was, then it was pretty selfish on his part, and stupid on McMahon's part. Then again it's not like McMahon isn't capable of breaking his word... so I am going to go with the idea that it was a random idea some idiot writer came up with.

Coming back for the Hall of Fame and the DVDs made some sense, you could understand that. Even coming back to honour his father by inducting him into the Hall of Fame this past Mania most people can get, but this bull shit... I just don't get it. Even money doesn't excuse something this dumb.
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Yes, but Hart is not the first Hall of Famer to continue his career. Hogan and Flair are still wrestling... abeit on TNA. And what about when Flair lost a retirement match to HBK, then to show up on the active roster on TNA.

Hypocritical? To say the very least.
 
thetmfobserver said:
All comes down to the mighty dollar. Bret Hart is a name that will make people who haven't watched wrestling in years tune back in.
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Very true and both Hart and McMahon are to blame. I mean Bret Hart doesn't have nearly 1/2 the skill he had. Sure he wants his name back in the spotlite and McMahon wants to push his name, to sell arena tickets and DVDs.

Bret Hart as the US champion is a token gesture, more than anything else.

And while we're at it, why was the US Title defended in Canada? Once again, another token gesture.
 
TFStudio said:
Yes, but Hart is not the first Hall of Famer to continue his career. Hogan and Flair are still wrestling... albeit on TNA. And what about when Flair lost a retirement match to HBK, then to show up on the active roster on TNA.

Hypocritical? To say the very least.
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Being in the Hall of Fame and still working is a minor thing, being a stroke victim who can barely move and can't take a bump on the head without risking death is a dumb move. As a company (WWE) selling entertainment or as a performer (Hart) who's legacy was supposed to be so important to him.
 
TFStudio said:
Very true and both Hart and McMahon are to blame. I mean Bret Hart doesn't have nearly 1/2 the skill he had. Sure he wants his name back in the spotlite and McMahon wants to push his name, to sell arena tickets and DVDs.

Bret Hart as the US champion is a token gesture, more than anything else.

And while we're at it, why was the US Title defended in Canada? Once again, another token gesture.
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The US title, the IC title, it doesn't matter. Bret could still be on TV with the Hart Dynasty, or, could make a great scout for talent. none of this is needed.
 
thetmfobserver said:
All comes down to the mighty dollar. Bret Hart is a name that will make people who haven't watched wrestling in years tune back in. And truthfully, as much as it pains me to say it, the Miz doesn't need the US belt. The mid-major titles are to reward long time mid carders, or to promote up and coming superstars. The Miz' mouth makes him stand above that.
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Not me, I watched RAW when TNA moved to a live Monday broadcast. It was strictly a coincidence that Bret was on that episode of RAW. I flipped from one show to the other, thought neither was particularly special and I haven't watched an episode of any wrestling program sense.

The Bret Hart of today is allot less then he was then, not just as a performer, but as a man.
 
Friend told me on Thursday, Bret relinquished the U.S. title and is now RAWs GM. Why the hell didn't they just make him the GM to begin with and forget all that stupid title BS.
 
Bret coming back is very simple. Vince is scared shitless that Dixie Carter and TNA might actually push him and the WWE out as the wrestling super power.
 
vladtickleman22 said:
Bret coming back is very simple. Vince is scared shitless that Dixie Carter and TNA might actually push him and the WWE out as the wrestling super power.
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Dixie Carter is about 3-5 years, 2-3 big stars, and a couple hundred million dollars away from that, and even then, it'll be close. I love TNA, and I think it can be popular, but until there is some more money thrown into it, it's going to continue to tread water.
 
thetmfobserver said:
Dixie Carter is about 3-5 years, 2-3 big stars, and a couple hundred million dollars away from that, and even then, it'll be close. I love TNA, and I think it can be popular, but until there is some more money thrown into it, it's going to continue to tread water.
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Millions of dollars have already been put into TNA. It's not about how much money, but how it is used. TNA seemed to be on the right path until Angle showed up. I am not blaming Angle, I just think the company lost there minds when it picked up Kurt. They were so caught up in getting him, that they pushed aside all the guys that helped build the company to begin with. I would have kept Joe and Angle away from each other for almost a year before putting them even in Impact together let alone a match.

They just aren't thinking over there
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thetmfobserver said:
Dixie Carter is about 3-5 years, 2-3 big stars, and a couple hundred million dollars away from that, and even then, it'll be close. I love TNA, and I think it can be popular, but until there is some more money thrown into it, it's going to continue to tread water.
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When it happens it's not going to be TNA getting huge that is the big factor. It's going to be the WWE just falling away. Shane just flat out left the company and let's face it HE was going to be Vince's successor. After all it's a family business and Vince Sr. left it to Vince Jr. Next we have Stephanie who completely disappeared. Mainly due to the fact she has little children now. Last we have Linda who is going for a US Senate seat.


All the same people keep getting the titles in the WWE. In short time people are going to get sick and tired of watching Cena, Shamus and Tripple H trade the world title. Big Show and Jack Swagger trade the wwe title. Laycool always getting back the "co-divas" championship.

Vince, the writers and the rest of the WWE are not even trying anymore.
 
Why do they need to try? They can win without trying.

Oh, and I have officially set my DVR to tape NXT, strictly so I can watch Low-Ki / Senshi / Kaval. If he doesn't destroy everyone, I'll be very sad.
 
tkltoy said:
Why do they need to try? They can win without trying.

Oh, and I have officially set my DVR to tape NXT, strictly so I can watch Low-Ki / Senshi / Kaval. If he doesn't destroy everyone, I'll be very sad.
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No they don't, because as I have come to realize, wrestling fans are idiots and will support the industry no matter how bad it gets. A point I have made several times in the past, but nobody seems to want to believe.
 
What's with the NXT names, anyway? Why can't Hennig and Rotunda be who they are?

Husky Harris? Seriously?
 
I will say that I was intrigued by the NXT invasion on Raw last night. It ran a little lengthy, but I'm glad to see these guys aren't going to disappear. (Except Tarver and Young, they can go)
 
Bryan Danielson released by WWE

The following is from WWE.com:

Daniel Bryan released

WWE has come to terms on the release of NXT first season rookie Daniel Bryan (Bryan Danielson) as of today June 11, 2010. We wish Daniel Bryan the best in all future endeavors.
 
Tickle Fiend said:
The following is from WWE.com:

Daniel Bryan released

WWE has come to terms on the release of NXT first season rookie Daniel Bryan (Bryan Danielson) as of today June 11, 2010. We wish Daniel Bryan the best in all future endeavors.
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Another stupid decision from WWE. :megafail:
 
That pisses me off! I heard all this great stuff about the guy, and we barely got to see him. I can't imagine it having anything to do with the "wellness" policy. He's obviously not a roid head. Any idea why he was released?
 
According to various reports from multiple sources, the reason Daniel Bryan (aka Bryan Danielson) was given his WWE release yesterday is related to the NXT angle on Raw this past Monday night.

Apparently Daniel Bryan choking out the ring announcer with his tie, after ripping his shirt off, was considered a big no-no under the current WWE PG format. The feeling was the spot was too violent and WWE management was said to be less than pleased.

According to a source, one WWE official in particular requested that Bryan be released due to the incident.

There are some who still feel Daniel Bryan's release is not a legitimate release, or is at least a move made to further the NXT angle and give it more credibility as a real life situation. Depending on which reports you believe, that is not the case and Bryan has seen his final days with WWE.

Credit F4WOnline.com for portions of the above report.
 
If Daniel shows up on TNA, all I can say is WWE screwed up.

That said, I'm not that impressed with the NXT angle on RAW. Seems to me as if the thinking is "nobody is watching NXT so let's do something. I know, let them all beat up Cena. Yeh that works." Imo just yet another 'invasion' angle again. How many times is Vince going to try it? Almost as if Vince is still feeling the waves of the nWo or even disappointment his team didn't think of the idea first.

At least nobody can accuse Cena of not putting anybody 'over'. He did about 8 of them in one go.
 
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