The WWE Future

[Lonestar327]

Let us all look into our crystal balls (pause for immature laugh) and see find out where we see these guys in about say ten years....

John Morrison
The Miz
Ted Dibiase Jr.
Alberto Del Rio
Wade Barrett
Justin Gabriel
Alex Riely
Cody Rhodes
Heath Slater
David Otunga
Drew Mcintyre
Dolph Ziggler
Ezeekel Jackson

Just to name a few

 

[Tickle Fiend]

Albert Del Rio will outshine them all. I think he's the real deal and could be the top heel very soon.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

Most will be Future Endeavored.

10 years we'll see another "EPIC ORTON CENA SHOWDOWN" at Wrestlemania... :/

 

[Johnny lea]

It'll be interesting to see what happens when the time comes to transition from Vince to Triple H and Stephanie, although that prob won't happen for a good while.

It has been acknowledged that Wade and Drew McIntyre either have/had Triple H's public backstage endorsement so they could have bright futures.

A few months a go there was a very interesting blog on the net by a former WWE writer who really lifted the lid on what it's like to work for the company. One of the big revelations was how Vince doesn't really respect John Morrison as a person in order to really get behind him for a mega push. Apparently Batista getting at Melina and Morrison doing nothing lost him points in Vince's eyes and now he doesn't view him as a legit tough guy. Sadly that blog vanished just as fast as it surfaced.

 

[Lonestar327]

John Morrison needs to win a championship at somepoint, for god sakes the Miz, THE FREAKING MIZ IS THE WWE CHAMPION!

Ted Dibiase Jr. if used right, could be a great talent, put him with his dad, Maryse, Mason Ryan, call them the "Million Dollar Family" he could rival the Miz as top bad guy.

Looking at that list, the WWE needs more good guys or guys like Mcintyre and others going to have to do a turn, or find someone i.e. a AJ Styles, Beer Money, Samoa Joe, etc; that frustrated with TNA and sign them on to help the talent pool in WWE

 

[Mrs Smith]

I'm looking forward to see Sin Cara.

 

[usgrant]

Hard to believe Pro Rasslin survives with real mixed martial arts as competition.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Let us all look into our crystal balls (pause for immature laugh) and see find out where we see these guys in about say ten years....

John Morrison
The Miz
Ted Dibiase Jr.
Alberto Del Rio
Wade Barrett
Justin Gabriel
Alex Riely
Cody Rhodes
Heath Slater
David Otunga
Drew Mcintyre
Dolph Ziggler
Ezeekel Jackson

Just to name a few

I wouldn't be surprised if half of them are found dead in hotel rooms like Eddie Guerrero or Brian Pilman. I don't need the "That’s not very funny" comments either, because it wasn't meant to be. Beleive it or not I could see Ezeekel Jackson having a long, and reasonably successful career, as long as he is content with enforcer status and tag team title runs. Grant it I don't know much about these guy, because I don't watch much wrestling anymore (caught a match here and there from time to time) but I think Jackson could be a long term player, even if he never wins the big belts (WWE or World title).

If they can stay healthy Rhodes and Dibiase could have epic careers, both are good, and both have a legacy (no pun intended... well maybe a little) behind them. It would be kind of cool if Ted was to win the world title and Cody won the Rumble a few years from now, I think they could have a hell of a match if given the chance. When cut myself off from wrestling Morrison and the Miz were still a team, but I do know he is a talented guy in the ring an on the mic. If he hasn't reached Main Even status yet then I would chock it up to politics, and a real money loss to the WWE if that is the case. I saw a clip of Alberto Del Rio on youtube once, it was just a promo, but it was a really good promo. I really can say much for the rest of the group, since I don't know anything about them.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Hard to believe Pro Rasslin survives with real mixed martial arts as competition.

The main reason for that is probably because they aren't in competition in the traditional sense. While McMahon could find himself banging heads with White in a ratings war it wouldn't be any different then any other two shows competing in a time slot. MMA is a Sport, while Pro Wrestling is more of an "Athletic Exhibition". People watch both for different reasons, and get different things out of them. I think the biggest mistake Dana White makes is when he comments "This isn't pro wrestling, this is real.", because aside from show his ignorance regarding Pro Wrestling, he is also ostracizing the cross over portion of the audience.

From the little I've seen, I like Mixed Martial Arts, except for the ground and pound. After all how sporting can MMA be if it allows somebody to sit on their opponent and punch them in the face? However that's small potatoes compared to the back stage political BS that goes on in pro wrestling.

 

[jkb]

Hard to believe Pro Rasslin survives with real mixed martial arts as competition.

Why wouldn't it? No disrespect to UFC fighters, but I hardly think any of them would ever dare to be thrown off a 16 foot steel cage through a wooden announce table, sent through a flaming table, slammed repeatedly onto thumbtacks, or do elbow drops onto a concrete floor. Wrestling may not be "real" like MMA, but it certainly cannot be trivialized because of it. Plus, a good wrestler can't just be good at wrestling the way a good mixed martial artist can just be good at martial arts. A good wrestler has to have good skills on a mic with little or no preparation, be creative enough to develop a character, and a good enough actor to engage in story-driven dialogue with other characters. Despite the fact that wrestlers aren't as good fighters as MMAs, I'd say they are better performers a thousand times over and that's what counts. Of course, I haven't watched wrestling since the company was called the World Wrestling Federation.

And yes, you may have noticed from the above description that I am a Mick Foley fan. Like I said, no disrespect to MMAs, but how many of them would have the balls to put themselves what he goes through and be creative enough to give an interview that makes you care about them and not just their win:loss record?

 

[SlaverTickler]

Why wouldn't it? No disrespect to UFC fighters, but I hardly think any of them would ever dare to be thrown off a 16 foot steel cage through a wooden announce table, sent through a flaming table, slammed repeatedly onto thumbtacks, or do elbow drops onto a concrete floor. Wrestling may not be "real" like MMA, but it certainly cannot be trivialized because of it. Plus, a good wrestler can't just be good at wrestling the way a good mixed martial artist can just be good at martial arts. A good wrestler has to have good skills on a mic with little or no preparation, be creative enough to develop a character, and a good enough actor to engage in story-driven dialogue with other characters. Despite the fact that wrestlers aren't as good fighters as MMAs, I'd say they are better performers a thousand times over and that's what counts. Of course, I haven't watched wrestling since the company was called the World Wrestling Federation.

And yes, you may have noticed from the above description that I am a Mick Foley fan. Like I said, no disrespect to MMAs, but how many of them would have the balls to put themselves what he goes through and be creative enough to give an interview that makes you care about them and not just their win:loss record?

That really didn't do much to help in defending Pro Wrestling. I would say you just pointed out everything that is wrong with pro wresting. I admire Mick Foley but the truth is he opened the door and invited "Stupid" and "Unnecessary" into the business. So called Hardcore Wrestling is crap, and has destroyed the industry, and I would argue is the reason for the major rise in the use of pain killers in the industry right now. Guys like New Jack, and Balls Mahoney are proof that Hardcore is just a nice way of saying Talentless

Getting dropped through a table when it's been set on fire doesn't make you great, it makes you stupid, especially in a line of work with no health benefits.

 

[Flatfoot]

Why wouldn't it? No disrespect to UFC fighters, but I hardly think any of them would ever dare to be thrown off a 16 foot steel cage through a wooden announce table, sent through a flaming table, slammed repeatedly onto thumbtacks, or do elbow drops onto a concrete floor. Wrestling may not be "real" like MMA, but it certainly cannot be trivialized because of it. Plus, a good wrestler can't just be good at wrestling the way a good mixed martial artist can just be good at martial arts. A good wrestler has to have good skills on a mic with little or no preparation, be creative enough to develop a character, and a good enough actor to engage in story-driven dialogue with other characters. Despite the fact that wrestlers aren't as good fighters as MMAs, I'd say they are better performers a thousand times over and that's what counts. Of course, I haven't watched wrestling since the company was called the World Wrestling Federation.

And yes, you may have noticed from the above description that I am a Mick Foley fan. Like I said, no disrespect to MMAs, but how many of them would have the balls to put themselves what he goes through and be creative enough to give an interview that makes you care about them and not just their win:loss record?

This is what I specifically LIKE about pro-wrestling. It's really not about who has the titles, stats, who's winning, etc. It's got elements of character depth (guys who act like they REALLY HATE each other, and not just two guys scheduled to fight to see who is better.), physical displays of athleticism that, though they may not really be putting opponents into heaping amounts of pain, CAN be impressive to watch (Watch any well-run lucha libre match! That shit's INSANE! There's people flying everywhere!). People who complain of the fakeness, claiming MMA is more entertaining because it's real are missing the point of pro wrestling. It's kinda like going to Medieval Times, and complaining, "Man, this is STUPID. These 'knights' aren't really killing each other!" while completely ignoring the well-choreographed sword fight in front of them.

Unfortunately, there's not really much point in defending pro wrestling to those who don't see the point, because they're not going to change their mind, and suddenly become interested. They'd rather see an MMA fight, watching two, muscular and tribal-tattooed, protein fiends, who look almost exactly the same, spend five minutes holding each other on the floor in a headlock fight that doesn't move from the corner of the cage, until one of the guys is judged the winner by some obscure scoring system that nobody really understands (I'm TOTALLY kidding! I also like MMA, but this IS an example of some of the boring moments I frequently see! 😛 ) .

That really didn't do much to help in defending Pro Wrestling. I would say you just pointed out everything that is wrong with pro wresting. I admire Mick Foley but the truth is he opened the door and invited "Stupid" and "Unnecessary" into the business. So called Hardcore Wrestling is crap, and has destroyed the industry, and I would argue is the reason for the major rise in the use of pain killers in the industry right now. Guys like New Jack, and Balls Mahoney are proof that Hardcore is just a nice way of saying Talentless

Getting dropped through a table when it's been set on fire doesn't make you great, it makes you stupid, especially in a line of work with no health benefits.

To some extent, I agree with you, regarding hardcore wrestling. I never cared for thumbtacks, flaming tables, barbed-wire baseball bats, etc., and looking back through a lot of ECW and WWE hardcore matches reveals to me that all those random objects upsets the tempo of a match, and makes everything look sloppy and disjointed (I don't know how to explain it better, except that the match just doesn't "flow" right when each of the guys stops midway through an assault to look for where the trash can lid fell.). However, I respect that guys like Mick Foley love the business and the fans so much that they WILL sacrifice their bodies to please the fans. Some might equate this to seeking approval at an unhealthy level, or shock entertainment, but... I dunno. It's got its value. However, it's still a big fantasy of mine to work in that business, even if it's just at a local level (I plan on taking classes from someone near me, if I ever get the money.), but I seriously dislike the idea of having to get body-slammed into a pile of thumbtacks, and/or razorblades.

 

[SlaverTickler]

This is what I specifically LIKE about pro-wrestling. It's really not about who has the titles, stats, who's winning, etc. It's got elements of character depth (guys who act like they REALLY HATE each other, and not just two guys scheduled to fight to see who is better.), physical displays of athleticism that, though they may not really be putting opponents into heaping amounts of pain, CAN be impressive to watch (Watch any well-run lucha libre match! That shit's INSANE! There's people flying everywhere!). People who complain of the fakeness, claiming MMA is more entertaining because it's real are missing the point of pro wrestling. It's kinda like going to Medieval Times, and complaining, "Man, this is STUPID. These 'knights' aren't really killing each other!" while completely ignoring the well-choreographed sword fight in front of them.

Unfortunately, there's not really much point in defending pro wrestling to those who don't see the point, because they're not going to change their mind, and suddenly become interested. They'd rather see an MMA fight, watching two, muscular and tribal-tattooed, protein fiends, who look almost exactly the same, spend five minutes holding each other on the floor in a headlock fight that doesn't move from the corner of the cage, until one of the guys is judged the winner by some obscure scoring system that nobody really understands (I'm TOTALLY kidding! I also like MMA, but this IS an example of some of the boring moments I frequently see! 😛 ) .

There have been guys in MMA who have fought and really hate each other, Ken Shamrock vs Tito Ortiz it one example, and I am sure there are many. Ironically Shamrock worked for the WWF, and was IC champion and I think he held the tag belts with the Big Boss Man. Former UFC world champion Brock Lesner left the WWE (and a multi-million dollar contract) because the Schedule was to demanding on him. However the fact that the titles in Pro Wrestling have come to mean nothing, even in a theatrical sense is probably not a good thing. Even the fans of the business can't seem to suspend their disbelief anymore, because they have gone so far with the "fakeness" of the in ring content. It is like an episode of SNL with a fight scene every 20 minuets. Like Jesse Ventura pointed out once, “Back in the 80’s when Randy Savage dropped that big elbow on you that was it the match was over, now an elbow drop is just a high spot. Your telling me if a 240 lbs man does that to you your getting up?”. That is coming from a former wrestler, and that is where most of the criticism toward the industry comes from. Sure it’s great to have those personalities, like Mohamed Allie and Joe Frazer were in boxing. But Frazer and Allie could bring it in the ring, most of the guys in Pro Wrestling only bring in the locker room with there back stabbing and ass kissing to get ahead.

To some extent, I agree with you, regarding hardcore wrestling. I never cared for thumbtacks, flaming tables, barbed-wire baseball bats, etc., and looking back through a lot of ECW and WWE hardcore matches reveals to me that all those random objects upsets the tempo of a match, and makes everything look sloppy and disjointed (I don't know how to explain it better, except that the match just doesn't "flow" right when each of the guys stops midway through an assault to look for where the trash can lid fell.). However, I respect that guys like Mick Foley love the business and the fans so much that they WILL sacrifice their bodies to please the fans. Some might equate this to seeking approval at an unhealthy level, or shock entertainment, but... I dunno. It's got its value. However, it's still a big fantasy of mine to work in that business, even if it's just at a local level (I plan on taking classes from someone near me, if I ever get the money.), but I seriously dislike the idea of having to get body-slammed into a pile of thumbtacks, and/or razorblades.

Let me ask you this, if Mick Foley had hurt himself in a way that he couldn't work, what would the wrestling industry have done for him or his family? Bret Hart got hurt because of a mistimed move in a match, what did Wrestling do for him, it kicked him to the curb. What happened to Droz after he ended up in a wheel chair, does the WWE send him a check every month? Not likely. How about Owen Hart, and what happened to him. Martha Hart had to sue the WWE for killing her husband with faulty safety precautions, who turned around and sued her back. While it’s true that people choose to be in Pro Wrestling, they don’t choose to be abandoned by the company that they make money for. The WWE has more then enough money that they can afford to look out for their employees allot better then they do. McMahon is just a greedy son of a bitch.

 

[Flatfoot]

Yeah, the lack of health insurance sucks. I gotta wonder what insurance company would actually cover WWE's talent roster (Off topic, but I've heard Jackie Chan is uninsurable by any company.), and if they did, how much the premiums would be. I could be wrong, but I think the larger salary is supposed to "compensate" for the lack of insurance. They're at-will employees who know the risks associated with what they do. They're not gladiators forced to compete in blood-baths.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Yeah, the lack of health insurance sucks. I gotta wonder what insurance company would actually cover WWE's talent roster (Off topic, but I've heard Jackie Chan is uninsurable by any company.), and if they did, how much the premiums would be. I could be wrong, but I think the larger salary is supposed to "compensate" for the lack of insurance. They're at-will employees who know the risks associated with what they do. They're not gladiators forced to compete in blood-baths.

I did get a little of topic with that comment, but, how much money do you really think a guy like Garrison/Lance Cade was making doing opening matchs (when he died at 29). There are allot of guys working for the WWE who make less then 60 grand a year, when they should be making at least 100 thousand to start. On top of that Vince doesn't even pay into Social Insurance for his employees, and he wouldn't even give the Rock the night off when his first kid was born. He let HHH have the night off of course, cause he is his ass sniffing son-in-law, but nobody else. Then people wonder why I question the legitimacy of the Wellness Program... sheesh.

Remember David Shultz? He was the original Dr. Death in the WWF. Vince sent him into the hall way to set some reporter straight, and after Schulz did it, Vince fired him to avoid a law suit. Now Vince will tell you that he didn't know Shultz was going to slap the guy, but do you really believe Vince didn't know? Shultz was old school, the promoter tells you "go set that guy straight" that’s basically what he wants you to do. Why would anybody want to work in, or in anyway support that sort of industry... I just don't get it.