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Tickle Torture in SE Asia - FREE Movie Thread

I just realized... this thread is done.

If anybody has any questions about TTSEA and requires an answer, then please send a PM or email to me and I will get back to you in a timely manner.

God bless and tickle on.
 
Well I got done talking to my freind in Thailand and he found the video's "interesting" and does not know with 100% certainity if the films are filmed in Thailand or another part of SE Asia.
In a quick overview of our conversation he told me that those kind of films are illegal to film in Thailand, mainly Singapore. It seems Singapore doesnt like anything filmed without the governments say so, and the government pretty much controls the media and most things there. His concern to me was that if these films are being filmed in SE Asia where this is illegal and then distrubuted in the US, there is technically no violation unless the person is caught in the act of actually filming. He said paying women to do videos and having them sign a contract may not be possible because most if not all documents in the country have to be approved by a government offical before it is a valid document. Unless the document is a basic "for rendered services" which is the loophole many of these things go through. At that point I told him that he had the information and what he did with it was up to him. I was backing out because I personally no longer wanted to be involved.
Only because it is getting into legal areas that I myself am not accustomed to nor do I feel the need to know every legality because Im not in the business. But Im confident that MTS has checked out every possible legality and Im convinced that what he does is not only legal but safer than many of us believe or want to believe.
In closing he asked me post this which is an address to SEAPA (South East Asian Press Alliance) which is a press agency that does investigations and such. For anyone interested in getting the real information instead of making accusations here it is including a reporters name I belive:
Kulachada Chaipipat at SEAPA, 538/1 Samsen Road, Dusit, Bangkok, 10300 Thailand, tel/fax: +662 243 5579, e-mail: [email protected], Internet: http://www.seapabkk.org
I dont quite understand why he gave me that info but I told him Id post it.
He also said he would check out and get the info on the models and such and on his next trip to the US (In January) he would get anything he needed. Oh yeah and buy me lunch. LOL.
Hes a good guy and didnt judge me for showing him a tickling website and he honestly thinks its silly (my fetish), just another example of how open minded some people can be.
But thats all for me, as long as no one has any questions, I will MOST LIKELY refrain from posting in this thread again.
Again...DO NOT flame me, DO NOT think Im out to get anyone..and DO NOT think that I think Im "holyer than thou". I was simply attempting to stop the bickering. If anyone takes offense to that...Im sorry.

Rob
 
MÿTicklingStudios said:
Why wouldn't you? By the same token, why wouldn't you take the word of all other producers assuming you are not demonstrating double standards here?


Why wouldn't I? Kindly illuminate me: What ELSE is a video producer going to say in regards to their 2257 record-keeping? Unless someone in such a profession is the biggest idiot on the face of the planet, they will ALWAYS say that they have their records in order. You're never going to hear someone say something like; "Hell no! I don't keep 2257 records!"


As to the double standard, no. Read through my posting history and you'll find several other instances in which I've expressed extreme distaste for producers who claim to produce non-consensual videos...
 
robace252 said:
Well I got done talking to my freind in Thailand and he found the video's "interesting" and does not know with 100% certainity if the films are filmed in Thailand or another part of SE Asia. .........
Rob

Good post Rob. Damn, never realized that soft porn had to be all this complicated. 😀
 
LOL TK, yeah its getting too complicated for me, thats why I just stopped.
The next time I want to download a video I dont want to have to start checking state laws, local laws, find the model information, get supoenas of the film crew, etc etc.....I just want to enjoy my damn clip. ROFL

Ill let those that are paid to be concerned with those things take care of it and Ill have a "smoke and a pancake!" care to join me TK. LOL

Rob
 
Welcome the new people who would like to discuss this issue! Just a note: MTS (the apparent producer) refuses to disclose the country of origin for these videos, a refusal that does not bode well for the assumption that the videos are made legally.
 
welllllllllllllllllllllll crap. now i wont get to see what all the controversy is about. how can i judge something i wont be able to see? wendynpeter would you send me the clip? dang now i'm so damn curious.

isabeau
 
Wow, it's really going again now - there have been 33 posts since yesterday - I wonder if there isn't some legal forum where these guys could take their discussions - I don't blame the guy for not revealing his location - from the posts I see here one of these yokels could end up knocking on his door or even worse.

What is with all you people. There is a producer who makes video clips at an undisclosed location. He employs women in that location and pays them well for the location. The women agree to the treatment and the filming. There are one or two of their own friends, other women, in the room at the filming.
The tickling is intense but nobody is abused as some people would have you believe. The clips are available to those who want to see them.

The naysayers, however, have to challenge everything about it. This man, who is simply making video clips, has been compared to the practices of genital mutilation in Africa, slavery in America, and the natural functions of dogs. Why don't these people simply watch the videos they like and be done with it - we are all now well aware that they don't like this producer, his videos and what they perceive to be his practices.

These naysayers keep complaining about the allegation that they are using double standards. They are using double standards, though. They don't complain about similar videos being made in America or Europe. They don't complain about sexually explicit bondage and tickling in Japan. No - they only complain about this one producer. So there is a double standard - and when that's pointed out to them, they say that you can't say that because they're talking about one producer and not the others. Well, when we talk about a practice, we should talk about the practice as a whole.

All capitalist enterprise is exploitation, by the way. Exploitation of people and materials and methodologies. If not, it becomes socialism or communism. So what is the point about exploitation - should these women not be paid, or should the government film the videos so that the producer makes no profit.
That argument won't even fly in Moscow or Beijing anymore.

As for good things coming from bad things - that is a fact. Almost all of the good things originated from something bad - social institutions, medicines, even appliances in our homes. Slavery was bad - but black people are now in America in huge numbers living and contributing equally. Why? Because their ancestors came here as slaves. Chinese people are among the most successful people here. Why? Because their ancestors came to work on the railways and take the most dangerous jobs - they were considered even lower than dogs at the time and many stores had signs up saying no Chinese allowed. And it goes on. It's a fact, not a spin. Simply a fact.

America has the highest rates of crime and drug abuse in the world, there is prostitution and sexual exploitation everywhere, men and women are often abused far beyond those in other countries, there are more people in prison per capita than anywhere else, there are more divorces and abortions per capita than anywhere else. And still, people like the naysayers here want to push their standards on everyone else. Of course, its do as I say and not as I do. When I point my finger at you, there are three pointing back at me - but just ignore those - we are only pointing at you after all. Good grief! :ignite:
 
Very well tkl-pen, but would you replace "these naysayers" with "one naysayer even"? I don't like to be put to a group which I don't belong to. It is like having wrong ideas about the content of a film like F*CK YOU! is a terrible crime and worthy for a crusade against.
 
tkl-pen said:
... America has the highest rates of crime and drug abuse in the world, there is prostitution and sexual exploitation everywhere, men and women are often abused far beyond those in other countries, there are more people in prison per capita than anywhere else, there are more divorces and abortions per capita than anywhere else. And still, people like the naysayers here want to push their standards on everyone else. Of course, its do as I say and not as I do. When I point my finger at you, there are three pointing back at me - but just ignore those - we are only pointing at you after all....

And all this has what, exactly, to do with a guy who produces videos of women being abused? And don't give me the "they are paid" line. Just because you give someone money afterward doesn't mean you didn't abuse them at the time.
 
Hi everybody!

This is the first time I post something here, but I want to express something about these movies. I must admit that I have read the first pages and skipped the rest, because you wrote so much... At first I must say that even in the preview clips I was shocked about the way the women were treated. For my personal taste there is something disgusting in these scenes. The other point is that everybody knows what is going on in south east asia. If somebody owns a company with the name "tickle torture in south east asia", he shows either that he doesn't know about what's going on (and I think that this is impossible) or he even thinks it is cool. Even if I am wrong about this, I think it is simply tasteless to have such a name. For me as a German, the American attitude "I can do everything as long as it is legal" seems very strange.
 
MÿTicklingStudios said:
....free clips withdrawn

ive seen 3 of the clips, the infamous "bock you", lol, ive seen before, and the other 2, fff hogtied and ron apple, just now. I see why some ppl are upset, but everyone has different tastes. I liked the clips, but im a sadistic fuck when it comes to tickling I guess. was there more clips? Id like to see them.thanks for the clips.
 
wendynpeter said:
My claim is that in Southeast Asia, prostitution, sex slavery, trafficking in human beings, etc., are real and are real problems. We have no idea who agreed to what in the case at hand. Many posters are assuming there were negotiations and contracts and money exchanged, and I'm saying that we don't know whether there were or weren't. I'm also saying that there is a real possiblity that none of that happened.

Wow.
I read a lot of this thread just now from the beginning to here. Some of you are going to be really angry with me because hell, I haven't EVEN seen the preview clips and probably won't.

If I may clarify what I think WendynPeter is saying is this:
He's concerned that IF (and no he has no proof) these girls are actually human sex slaves and really have no choice to model or not, THEN this is wrong. Way wrong. Or IF they are sex slaves and kind of agree to do tickling videos instead of "taking it" from 2 or 3 men at a time that night (to get a break) THEN this is wrong. Way wrong.

It seems to me that WendynPeter clearly has "a bad feeling" about the entire ora of the scenes he's scene, and him knowing the Sex Slave and Abuse of the poor women (who are human beings in case anyone forgot) going on in that part of the world, causes him to think there is some shady dealings going on. I mean what is the punishment for a girl in the sex slave industry who refuses to perform acts or refuses to have an act performed on her? You think she just gets a time out? Or a slap on the wrist? Women who are sex slaves from as early as age 9 know nothing else but to do what they are told ... or else!

I don't think WendynPeter thinks this is the same thing as when a model in the USA is hired. She drives her bmw to a shoot with her boyfriend as a chaperone, fills out a contract, discusses her pay and what is going to happen and what is NOT going to happen, etc. That's how it happens in the USA.
I think he thinks maybe those poor Asian girls don't really even have much of a choice, and/or don't really even get to keep or spend the money that they are paid. And in WendynPeter's defense, ya know what? No one HAS proof that they do keep their money and that they are treated within the boundries of human rights.

So what I'm saying is that IF all this is going down badly ... IF ... then I think WendynPeter certainly is correct in saying it's WAY wrong to treat poor defenseless, powerless women that way. But it's only an IF. Only the producer knows what's really going on. But he's innocent until proven guilty.

And hey, is it really true that this producer won't tell even what Country the videos are shot in when he is asked? Why? What would be the reason to keep that a secret?

Now a few of you are going to say "We'll TIB is a producer who is afraid of another company doing well so that's why he's saying this."
We'll you couldn't be more wrong. I could not care less if this company or any other someday takes us off of the #1 position at clips4sale. Hell it would actually be a big relief not to be number #1 in tickling video clip sales anymore. It's starting to speed up my aging process. 🙂
I'm saying these things not from a business standpoint, but from a moral standpoint. And it is all only my opinion, to be taken or not taken seriously.

Just my two cents.
Now fire away. I'm used to it. :woot:
 
people say this and people say that...

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ok finally i got to view the clip that caused all this controversy. she did look tired at the end but i also noticed he quit tickling her at that time. so she said fuck you a few times. other than the fact it shows she has rather a potty mouth, i couldnt see where she was screaming for help or anything like that. however i didnt get to view the entire clip just the preview. thanks MyTicklingStudios for publishing this

isabeau
 
isabeau said:
ok finally i got to view the clip that caused all this controversy. she did look tired at the end but i also noticed he quit tickling her at that time. so she said fuck you a few times. other than the fact it shows she has rather a potty mouth, i couldnt see where she was screaming for help or anything like that. however i didnt get to view the entire clip just the preview. thanks MyTicklingStudios for publishing this

isabeau

This preview stops halfway through when I play it. Also, what's addressed in this thread is not visible in the preview. As I've said a million times before ------ YOU HAVE TO SEE THE PAY VIDEO TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT.
 
Hello again!

I don't like to repeat myself, but I think what has to be discussed here is something else. We can go on guessing if what happens is legal or if these girls are sex slaves or if it is morally incorrect to let them do what they do, because they haven't really another choice, but we are never going to find out. So this isn't leading anywhere.

I think the point is that we claim to live in civilized countries (and we Germans are very happy to live in a civilized country today), and we would like the rest of the world to join us. I don't believe that it is necessary to explain to members of our community why this is important. So we should keep a certain distance from activities which might be legal but which undermine this spirit of civilization.

Greetings
 
wendynpeter said:
This preview stops halfway through when I play it. Also, what's addressed in this thread is not visible in the preview. As I've said a million times before ------ YOU HAVE TO SEE THE PAY VIDEO TO SEE WHAT PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT.


sighs...... but the preview is what is available on this forum. so thats what i go by, not the entire clip which one must buy to view. and from the preview alone i couldnt see the big deal..... and no need to yell i cant hear anyway

isabeau
 
This is getting silly.

I tried, I really tried to stay out of this post. I try to avoid controversy of this nature, especially when it makes very little sense to begin with. At first I was simply jealous of MyTicklingStudios, basicly because he's doing what I would love to do. Next came the badmouthing, which happens often enough with vids of this nature, which are extremely intense and seem unpleasant to some of the participants. However, this seems to be the Thread That Will Not Die. It keeps coming back to haunt us. From what I read, it's for an ugly reason.

Admittedly, one of the reasons I was reluctant to post my take on all this is the all too real fact that I am biased. Someone is still bound to say, "Oh, that Rexx, he just loves Asian women being tickled, he'll take MTS's side. Don't pay any attention to him." I can see how my opinion would easily make me shark fodder.

I also want to point out that these vids aren't exactly my cup of java. I prefer playful, romantic tickling, which may seem odd to some because I also like the bondage, and I don't like seeing sex mixed with tickling in vids. That being said, a good, torturous dose of tickling is welcome upon occasion as well. I think many of us feel this way. For those of us that don't, I understand the "Non-consential" concerns that have been appropriately leveled, just as they were when the Paradise Vision vids with the same theme were introduced.

These concerns disturb some, who cite abuse, victimization and personal violation in their opinions. Very viable and legitimate reasoning, and it shouldn't surprise anyone that folks tend to speak their mind in this venue. In truth, we all know if this were the case, someone would be in jail. Those who do not enjoy a particular tickling vid are free to voice their distaste and move on, without making a purchase and thereby supporting the producer. That's the way commerce works.

If only it would have stopped there.

I don't know WendynPeter, nor do I have anything against her/him/them, and I want to think she/he/they have honorable intentions in this series of posts, but one thing really smells bad. I've never seen anyone complain about tickling vids produced in France, Russia, Brazil, Canada, the Czech Republic, Mexico or Turkey. All the models in vids from these countries have three things in common: 1) NONE of them would be in these vids if they did not need the paycheck. 2) To mine or anyone else's knowlege, no one kidnapped and/or forced these models to submit to the tickling, no matter how "Non-consential" the title may claim. 3) The vast majority of the models from these producers are of Anglo descent.

I smell racism, albiet of a warped, misguided and well-intentioned sort.

I've read all the posts about the whole "Sex-slave" idea, and quite honestly it's naive. Please keep in mind I've not only been to southeast Asia several times, own property and a home there, have a working knowlege of 2 of the languages, but I married into the culture. I can say the "Sex-slave" theory doesn't wash, at least in the Philippines. We are NOT in the 1940's anymore. Women's rights have pervaded EVERY facet of life, even in the realm of prostitution. Treat a Prostitute bad, go to jail. Just ask the 4 U.S. Marines in the Philippines now who are accused of raping a Prostitute. Don't believe me? Google it.

I have many news stories (60 Minutes, Dateline, 48 Hours, PBS, etc.) on vhs collected over the years on this subject, and I dare say these shows are sensationalizing the sad situations of some of the most poverty-stricken people on the planet who turn to prostitution for survival. They actively seek out these women in the name of RATINGS. Simply put, "Sex-Slaves of Southeast Asia" will attract more viewers than "Asian Women Who Turn to Prostitution as a Means of Feeding Their Family." These shows will highlight only the most abusive of cases, paying no mind that the individuals in question might very likely that very night proceed to ply her trade without being abused. Articles from various news magazines and especially National Geographic seem to have a better grasp of the story. Most of the actual "Sex-Slave" business is done in so-called "Civilized" countries: Japan, Saudi-Arabia, Kuwait, Egypt, and yes, the United States. These are the countries that girls from the Philippines, China, etc. go as either contract workers or illegal immigrants. As contract workers, they are often at the mercy of their employers, especially in the "Entertainment" industy in Japan and the "Domestic Helper" field in the Middle-East. You wanna talk about abuse??

After Gulf War I People magazine published a story titled "The Shame of Kuwait." We're talking about a small country whose median wage is far above that of the U.S. So much so that most of the menial labor is done by, you guessed it, foriegn workers. The photo leading the story was of the inside of the Philippine Embassy in Kuwait, the floor littered wall to wall with Filipinas who fled from their employers. They could not return to their home because of contract stipulations that they had not yet "repaid" their employers the price of importing them. They ALL reported cases of rape and/or horribly abusive conditions. The article also made mention of a Filipina in Egypt who faced the gallows for killing her employer with a steak knife, (a woman) who threatened to cut out her tongue and one eye and cast her out on the streets of Cairo to live as a beggar. She had children back home in the Philippines. Many of the women in this article had children as a result of rape, and were beaten by jealous wives. National Geographic has had a few articles on the "Entertainment" industry in Japan, where Filipinas are hired with the promise of being singers, dancers, etc, only to be put to work in high-class brothels. The wealthy Japanese businessmen who are the customers consider these women "Gaijin" (Barbarians), thus not worthy of the respect of even a Japanese prostitute. Illegal immigrants from China here in the U.S face basicly the same fate. They fear deportation more than an abusive john/pimp.

Am I saying sex-slavery does NOT happen in the Philippines? Of course not. But you would be surprised and shocked to learn the circumstances of most of the reported, and unreported cases. Unthinkably, the majority of these cases are done within family circles. A fellow fancies his friend's sister/neice/cousin, next thing you know the girl is drugged/drunked/outright raped and the friend has a pocketful of pesos. By "unreported" I mean everyone has heard the story, or knows a friend of a friend type of affair, but the victim is too ashamed to go to the often-corrupt police.

In the area of "exploitation," one has to ask: Who is expoiting whom? A producer who pays women to be tied and tickled, or the woman who earns as much as a month's salary spending an hour or so being tickled? This can be asked no matter where said video is produced, and face it, there are far worse ways to make a buck. It just leaves a bad taste in my mouth that it seems only directed at a producer from Asia.

Again, I understand and sympathize with any who have reservations about sex-slavery. I simply believe most of the stout objections on the subject seen in this thread are based on uninformed and stereotypical views. After all, if these views indeed were reality, how many of the victims would be allowed even ONE "Puck You," let alone several, without a severe beating?

I've said my piece. Go ahead, open fire.

Rxx
 
tkrexx,

I applaud you for taking the time out to try and fill the gaps in knowledge that certain people have demonstrated in this thread.

However, to fill any gaps in knowledge the recipient must first be open to discussions which may challenge their original views on the debate. Unfortunately, there are some that may never get past this stage and refuse to consider any other angles than those that would support their initial views irrespective of how you may try to logically enlighten them.

I too have wondered why some have targeted their attacks on just my content and not others. But at the end of the day, I have given up defending those angles of discussion. Anybody who is at all versed on the subject will know that these individuals know very little and essentially their opinions carry little weight.

I do not care about their views and nor will they deter me. I will continue to do my thing and attempt to make great tickling content that is REAL, and is within the constraints that I already have clearly established in my own mind.

"Tickle Torture in South East Asia" - thats exactly what it is folks! Though you can rest assured that the models are well looked after, well paid and are NEVER put in any danger (which is my own fundamental constraint that I follow at all times).

Other than what I've said above I'm really not saying anything more on the subject. To those that support me whether publically, privately or have bought clips. I would like to thank you. Without you, I would be doing it anyway. Except the clips would be for my eyes only. 🙂

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Im with you rexx

rexx

I have fought the good fight with this thread and when I had simply had all that I could I bailed on it. I think you will find your efforts here to be In vain there are two sides here both seem immovable on each's respective positions so I suggest You dont get drawn into any arguments here.

The only thing I wanted to do is close the thread because by in large most of the post HAVE NO CLIPS IN THEM! and so this thread should be closed or moved. But no one listens to PAPI!! :ignite:
well I guess the one thing thats for sure is the MTS IS getting good traffic to his site which means one thing

$$$$$$$$$$$$ MAN!!! $$$$$$$$$$ HE CAN THANK WENDYNPETER FOR THAT!!
 
You are right Papi. Although not the way I normally go about getting traffic, wendypeter has done me a favor...

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=68542
Uniques - 571

This thread has sent 571 unique visitors in the last 24 hours.

You are also right when you said that this thread ceased to be a movie thread a long time ago which is a shame too. We also have wendypeter to thank for that.

Not to worry, you will see more free tickling movies on the TMF in the future. Keep your eyes open for my lovely partner, Cherry (TTSEA). She will be taking care of you all and hopefully having some fun! 🙂

sexypapi said:
rexx

I have fought the good fight with this thread and when I had simply had all that I could I bailed on it. I think you will find your efforts here to be In vain there are two sides here both seem immovable on each's respective positions so I suggest You dont get drawn into any arguments here.

The only thing I wanted to do is close the thread because by in large most of the post HAVE NO CLIPS IN THEM! and so this thread should be closed or moved. But no one listens to PAPI!! :ignite:
well I guess the one thing thats for sure is the MTS IS getting good traffic to his site which means one thing

$$$$$$$$$$$$ MAN!!! $$$$$$$$$$ HE CAN THANK WENDYNPETER FOR THAT!!
 
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