Tickled a cute stripper today

[NonConTickler]

That doesn't answer the question as to, why you just don't go to a Dungeon or other area that is more kink related then a strip club?

Simple. For my purposes its a better bargain. For the same amount of money I would spend at a dungeon to tickle one girl, I can tickle several girls at a club. I can't tie them up like you can at a dungeon but there are advantages and disadvantages. If I had the money to throw around more freely, sure I probably would go to a dungeon so I could tickle a restrained girl. But this is the best bargain I've found without having to take a woman out on a date, socialize, all kinds of things I'm not interested in. I can just get what I want and leave.

 

[Libertine]

My dear Lord Libertine,
Coming from someone that has been a striper before ( hint hint, me), it was degrading enough to dance for people out of desperation for money. But just to think that a guy wanted to pay me so they could tickle me, at my work, I just find it disgusting. At the club I worked for, there was a strictly no-touch policy, and if anyone tried they would get thrown out, literally. The only thing that I enjoyed about being a striper was dancing on stage, and I'm not talking about the pornstar oh me so horny kind of dance, it was actually more modern ballet than anything. Kind of similar to the movie "Yellow". It's bad enough that those girls are there so a guy can get his masturbation material, but to have a guy try to do something to them, so they can actually get their sexual kicks for their fetish? Feeding their fetish desires with a spork saying open wide?

If your job is to provoke desire, I don't understand why you're so amazed /horrified when you are successful. But then, like all males, I'm an Insensitive Beast, and if you don't believe me, ask my wife.

I suspect, though, that your distaste stems from the fact that tickling is sexual to you in your private life, and thus the thought of being offered money to engage in it with a stranger is tantamount to prostitution. Other women who don't have that kink/association would not feel they were being asked for unwanted intimacy, but may well regard the request as a harmless way to earn a bit of extra money on the side while stripping. They might even think it's a welcome relief, instead of having to writhe around for yet another private dance, to sit down and take the uncomfortable skyscraper-heeled stripper shoes off for a bit ...

V. and I look forward to seeing you and J. at NEST.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

Simple. For my purposes its a better bargain. For the same amount of money I would spend at a dungeon to tickle one girl, I can tickle several girls at a club. I can't tie them up like you can at a dungeon but there are advantages and disadvantages. If I had the money to throw around more freely, sure I probably would go to a dungeon so I could tickle a restrained girl. But this is the best bargain I've found without having to take a woman out on a date, talk, all kinds of things I'm not interested in. I can just get what I want and leave.

Okay. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

Sidequestion:
So you have like, no interest in building a relationship with anyone? Just tickling whomever catches your fancy?

 

[NonConTickler]

Okay. I don't agree with it, but I understand it.

Sidequestion:
So you have like, no interest in building a relationship with anyone? Just tickling whomever catches your fancy?

No I have no interest in that, and I would refer you to post #14 in this thread where I explain why.

 

[Tortuga]

If your job is to provoke desire, I don't understand why you're so amazed /horrified when you are successful. But then, like all males, I'm an Insensitive Beast, and if you don't believe me, ask my wife.

I suspect, though, that your distaste stems from the fact that tickling is sexual to you in your private life, and thus the thought of being offered money to engage in it with a stranger is tantamount to prostitution. Other women who don't have that kink/association would not feel they were being asked for unwanted intimacy, but may well regard the request as a harmless way to earn a bit of extra money on the side while stripping. They might even think it's a welcome relief, instead of having to writhe around for yet another private dance, to sit down and take the uncomfortable skyscraper-heeled stripper shoes off for a bit ...

V. and I look forward to seeing you and J. at NEST.

Well Lord Libertine, I am aware that you are a sadistic insensitive Breast, I don't have to ask, that's just instinct! But you do make a rather good point. Still think it's disgusting though.

I will most likely be in Philly Thrusday, so if you guys need someone to pick you up at the airport let me know!

 

[Deleted member 66627]

Well Lord Libertine, I am aware that you are a sadistic insensitive Breast

That made me smile.

 

[BellaRisa]

If your job is to provoke desire, I don't understand why you're so amazed /horrified when you are successful. But then, like all males, I'm an Insensitive Beast, and if you don't believe me, ask my wife.

I suspect, though, that your distaste stems from the fact that tickling is sexual to you in your private life, and thus the thought of being offered money to engage in it with a stranger is tantamount to prostitution. Other women who don't have that kink/association would not feel they were being asked for unwanted intimacy, but may well regard the request as a harmless way to earn a bit of extra money on the side while stripping. They might even think it's a welcome relief, instead of having to writhe around for yet another private dance, to sit down and take the uncomfortable skyscraper-heeled stripper shoes off for a bit ...

V. and I look forward to seeing you and J. at NEST.

Eh, I was a stripper for awhile about 10 yrs ago, and I understand this from both Tortuga and Libertine's POV. I never felt degraded, as far as I was concerned people enjoyed watching my body move no matter what I was doing so dancing for silly amounts of money was fine. It was off-putting being asked for various 'extras', from blowjobs in the parking lot to touching my feet or breasts to straight-up sex; patrons seemed to assume that a girl who'll strip will do anything, and that did annoy me, but a simple strong "no thanks, that's not my thing" was easy enough, I rarely had to say no more than once. Is going to a strip club looking for a girl to tickle disgusting? I wouldn't use that word, but it does bring home just how soul-less and pathetic physical contact can become. BUT, I'm the first to say that men and women are **different** when it comes to what sex and touch in general mean, it's way less personal for men; there's a reason why male strip joints are just goofy while female strip clubs are a booming biz

 

[Tortuga]

That made me smile.

HAHAH! well he can be a BOOB!

 

[Rupert]

wow so judgemental

hey NoN more power to you,
you live your life the way you want to, and help out a girl during a shitty economic time (75% of my female friends who are college grads or still in college work at bikini or strip clubs)

i asked a few of them their feelings and one actually told me that she would prefer being tickled to having guys "accidentally" leave there zippers down, etc.

although they all agreed that u should ask first cuz they maybe able to recommend a girl to u that does like to be tickled

its a shame a guy can post his desires on a usually ACCEPTING forum than be treated like trash until others defend him becuz some dont agree

well regardless of how i feel bout it, im glad u brought the topic up and hopefully the places u goto continue to allow you to find happiness

 

[primetime]

Wow, people are judgemental on this topic. My goodness people, the man tickles a few women at a strip club and he's disgusting? Be real for a second.

First, there are plenty of males who are not lucky enough to have a ticklish female within their grasp that they can tickle freely and easily. So if you can tickle a stripper, why not?

Second, why is tickling the stripper so bad? Shouldn't someone get more upset that a man wants to see some woman take her clothes off and dance provocatively in front of him, which will usually elicit a sexual response? No problem with him being at a strip club, but tickling the stripper? The man should be whipped!

The guy is not talking about full blown tickling sessions where he gets to tie the girl up and have his way with her. He is tickling strippers while they "dance" for him. Plus, it would be cheaper than going to a dungeon. And really, what's the difference? Why is tickling a stripper "disgusting" when she is going to show us her goodies anyway? The one stripper that didn't want to be tickled let him know and that was it. I'm sure that same stripper has been asked to do a LOT WORSE than getting tickled. Part of the job.

If this guy said he would forcefully attack these women against their will and tickled them until they cried for mercy, then he should be condemned. But considering no bouncer has tossed this guy out on his ear should let you know that what he is doing is not a "disgusting" thing, maybe an annoyance, but not "disgusting".

 

[baldadonis]

Wow, people are judgemental on this topic. My goodness people, the man tickles a few women at a strip club and he's disgusting? Be real for a second.

First, there are plenty of males who are not lucky enough to have a ticklish female within their grasp that they can tickle freely and easily. So if you can tickle a stripper, why not?

Second, why is tickling the stripper so bad? Shouldn't someone get more upset that a man wants to see some woman take her clothes off and dance provocatively in front of him, which will usually elicit a sexual response? No problem with him being at a strip club, but tickling the stripper? The man should be whipped!

The guy is not talking about full blown tickling sessions where he gets to tie the girl up and have his way with her. He is tickling strippers while they "dance" for him. Plus, it would be cheaper than going to a dungeon. And really, what's the difference? Why is tickling a stripper "disgusting" when she is going to show us her goodies anyway? The one stripper that didn't want to be tickled let him know and that was it. I'm sure that same stripper has been asked to do a LOT WORSE than getting tickled. Part of the job.

If this guy said he would forcefully attack these women against their will and tickled them until they cried for mercy, then he should be condemned. But considering no bouncer has tossed this guy out on his ear should let you know that what he is doing is not a "disgusting" thing, maybe an annoyance, but not "disgusting".

I more or less agree with this. I find it hard to pass judgment on someone for wanting to tickle a stripper when most clients at a strip club probably have far more lascivious thoughts on their mind than that. As long as the girl is retaining control, and he accepts no for an answer, and since there are bouncers around I'm sure he is, than I don't really see anything disgusting about it.

While I can't completely wrap my head around the mind-set of the OP in terms of the defeatist attitude he's adopted about relationships, and choosing to tickle strippers to get a tickle-fix, they are his choices, and they don't seem to be harming anyone.

 

[DJ Tickler]

I’m going out with a stripper and she certainly does not do it for the money.

She loves her job and she is a member on this forum. I won’t go into detail to protect her privacy but she sometimes tells me all these stories about her job.
She tells me the money is amazing and the women who she dances with are some of her best friends but she also enjoys what she does.

Now whether your personal belief is for or against people paying for a sexual service is up to you, but as it has been said before, providing the girls did not have a problem I don’t see why anyone would label this guy as “disgusting”.

I think there could have been a more civil way of expressing feelings of disagreement but what said is said.

Just my two cents 😉

DJ Tickler

 

[LindyHopper]

I'm a bikini dancer too (I didn't know there were so many of us! That's too funny!), and I can see several different ways of looking at this.

As a dancer: whatever. Sure, there's a no-touch rule, but for the most part, the guy can get away with whatever the girl lets him get away with, and that relates to her level of comfort, and the amount of money changing hands. Buyer and seller apparently agreed on a price, so whatever happened next couldn't have been that egregious.

But as a woman, as a 'lee, as a person: yuck. The blatant lack of respect for the girls' wishes is pretty revolting. He asks, she says she's not interested, several times even, and he persists. He has money, which changes the math. She might even tolerate what he's doing as long as he's paying, and I can't blame her, because I've done the same. That doesn't make what's happening any less disgusting.

I spend the occasional day and night catering to the desires of men who don't give a damn what I like or how I feel, for the sake of money (and for the good experiences - I don't want to imply that most patrons I work with are so selfish). And I'm also taking a moment to thank my lucky stars to have such wonderful relationships with 'lers where we can have such amazing, mutual fun together.

 

[Jackalx33]

I'm a bikini dancer too (I didn't know there were so many of us! That's too funny!), and I can see several different ways of looking at this.

As a dancer: whatever. Sure, there's a no-touch rule, but for the most part, the guy can get away with whatever the girl lets him get away with, and that relates to her level of comfort, and the amount of money changing hands. Buyer and seller apparently agreed on a price, so whatever happened next couldn't have been that egregious.

But as a woman, as a 'lee, as a person: yuck. The blatant lack of respect for the girls' wishes is pretty revolting. He asks, she says she's not interested, several times even, and he persists. He has money, which changes the math. She might even tolerate what he's doing as long as he's paying, and I can't blame her, because I've done the same. That doesn't make what's happening any less disgusting.

I spend the occasional day and night catering to the desires of men who don't give a damn what I like or how I feel, for the sake of money (and for the good experiences - I don't want to imply that most patrons I work with are so selfish). And I'm also taking a moment to thank my lucky stars to have such wonderful relationships with 'lers where we can have such amazing, mutual fun together.

*CLaps* I agree and well on that serious note. I suggest everyone on this thread should challenge each other to mortal kombat!! It will make life so uch easier! And if someone has something to say do not make me write down the names here and give them a character!

 

[totally_evil]

Tbh, I consider most men who go to a strip club just to get their jollies as disgusting. Those men who only ask questions of me to get material to wank to are also disgusting to me. If someone can't deal with their urges without resorting to cheap tricks it suggests they need to learn how to interact with other people.

The women who work at strip clubs are a different matter - those that are doing it because they desperately need the money I pity, and those who enjoy their work I just shrug at and go fair enough.

The fact that this guy goes to a strip club specifically to satisfy sexual urges is therefore disgusting to begin with. The person who says they won't think that a little tickle is sexual: these girls aren't stupid for the most part - if someone is paying to tickle them they know it's sexual to that person.

 

[Redmage]

The girl who didn't want to be tickled did one dance for me. That's when I was asking her about her ticklishness. She never told me she didn't want to talk about it, she was also free to just walk away. I didn't force her to do anything. The same with the second dancer who did let me tickle her. She claimed to like it even though I still don't think she did. But that's okay, again she could have ended it at any time. No one was forced to do anything.

You didn't really answer Viper's question. You state that you don't believe the woman wanted what you were doing, yet you did it anyway. You seem to be suggesting that "she could have walked away," as though that means she really did want it, but you don't believe she did regardless.

I'd like to suggest that she found the money you were offering just barely sufficient to overcome her disgust and/or annoyance with what you were doing. This is like paying someone enough to empty portable toilets: Obviously there are people out there who will do it, but its not exactly a recommendation for your charm.

Viper's question remains, though: you know she didn't like it. The fact that she overcame her dislike in order to get your money doesn't change that, and even you know it. So why do you have so little regard for these women's wishes?

So here I am at 35 with zero experience in relationships. Beside that, I'm very lazy and passive and self-absorbed except when I have warm fuzzies for a female and then I feel inspired to be more than that, hoping that she will develop the same warm fuzzies for me. If I ever had a relationship with one of these females I had "warm fuzzy feelings" for (if that isnt love I dont know what else to call it), when the reality set in that she wasn't the idealized vision I had of her, if the warm fuzzies then began to wane I would then want to go back to spending all my time on the internet and playing video games, and be sorry I was in the relationship in the first place. The break-up that followed I'm sure would not be any more pleasant for her than for me. So really I am saving both of us a lot of inconvenience and time by just not trying.

A man's got to know his limitations, I suppose. It is sort of sad that you simply accept those limitations, rather than, say, get some professional help to work on them. But at least you know they're there.

So now you can see hopefully, why it is perfectly reasonable that I pay for tickling. When seeing it from my perspective is it still "disgusting"? If so thats fine. We can agree to disagree.

I don't have a problem with the idea of paying to get a woman to let you tickle her, any more than I have a problem with the idea of prostitution. It's a fee for a service - no big deal. But if I saw a man in a restaurant insulting and humiliating a waitress I wouldn't think much of him as a man, even (heck, especially) if he gave her a big tip. It's an unpleasant experience for her - and needlessly so - and the fact that he pays her well doesn't make up for it. It would be even more pathetic if he offered her a big tip to get her to let him insult and humiliate her because that's how he gets his sexual satisfaction. That's my problem here, and I suspect the problem most people have with what you did.

If you need to pay women to get your kicks, that's your business. But what say you find a few dancers who don't mind you quite so much, and pay them rather than the ones who really dislike you?

 

[Babyshambles]

Why is it disgusting?

I can understand why you have a visceral feeling that it is disgusting.

Is it possible to articulate into words why it is disgusting?

Also - every man who speaks to you about tickling or what have you is doing this to get cheap thrills. Some get better thrills than others, some are better at hiding it than others.

Unless the man does not find you sexually attractive, every conversation with you is his means to get a chea thrill. This is fact. The men that don't leave you with this impression are simply better actors, or do not find you sexually attractive in any way.

Tbh, I consider most men who go to a strip club just to get their jollies as disgusting. Those men who only ask questions of me to get material to wank to are also disgusting to me. If someone can't deal with their urges without resorting to cheap tricks it suggests they need to learn how to interact with other people.

The women who work at strip clubs are a different matter - those that are doing it because they desperately need the money I pity, and those who enjoy their work I just shrug at and go fair enough.

The fact that this guy goes to a strip club specifically to satisfy sexual urges is therefore disgusting to begin with. The person who says they won't think that a little tickle is sexual: these girls aren't stupid for the most part - if someone is paying to tickle them they know it's sexual to that person.

 

[Babyshambles]

Viper is a damned hypocrite.

He pays people to do a lot worse.

Perhaps you are a hypocrit too? I certainly no that I would be a hypocrit if I criticised the OP.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

You didn't really answer Viper's question. You state that you don't believe the woman wanted what you were doing, yet you did it anyway. You seem to be suggesting that "she could have walked away," as though that means she really did want it, but you don't believe she did regardless.

I'd like to suggest that she found the money you were offering just barely sufficient to overcome her disgust and/or annoyance with what you were doing. This is like paying someone enough to empty portable toilets: Obviously there are people out there who will do it, but its not exactly a recommendation for your charm.

Viper's question remains, though: you know she didn't like it. The fact that she overcame her dislike in order to get your money doesn't change that, and even you know it. So why do you have so little regard for these women's wishes?

A man's got to know his limitations, I suppose. It is sort of sad that you simply accept those limitations, rather than, say, get some professional help to work on them. But at least you know they're there.

I don't have a problem with the idea of paying to get a woman to let you tickle her, any more than I have a problem with the idea of prostitution. It's a fee for a service - no big deal. But if I saw a man in a restaurant insulting and humiliating a waitress I wouldn't think much of him as a man, even (heck, especially) if he gave her a big tip. It's an unpleasant experience for her - and needlessly so - and the fact that he pays her well doesn't make up for it. It would be even more pathetic if he offered her a big tip to get her to let him insult and humiliate her because that's how he gets his sexual satisfaction. That's my problem here, and I suspect the problem most people have with what you did.

If you need to pay women to get your kicks, that's your business. But what say you find a few dancers who don't mind you quite so much, and pay them rather than the ones who really dislike you?

 

[Babyshambles]

The post is a walking PR disaster. But I can't see any wrong in it.

He went to strip club. Asked is he could tickle two girls. One said "yes" and he tickled her. The next said "no" and even though he was persistent, nothing happened.

I've tickled probably in the hundreds of strippers by now so this is nothing new. But I just had to get my tickle fix today after I saw this HOT looking girl in the waiting room with her mom at the psychiatrist's office. Bleached blonde, ripped jeans, very trailer trash. Looked JUST like Miley Cyrus. She kept playing with her shoe, even took one off at one point! When I was coming in and I saw her, I kept my sunglasses so I could stare at her feet without being noticed.

So like I said I had to get my tickle fix today when I left there. So I went to a strip club not too far from my house. It was like 3 in the afternoon so the stripclubs at that time on a saturday are completely dead. But I found what I was looking for: blonde, thin, had kind of a trailer trash thing happening. "We have a winner".

so when she asked if I wanted a dance I told her what I wanted and went to work on her underarms and feet. I got some good laughs out of her even though when I got to her feet she was like her feet were so ticklish she might not be able to handle it and she kept pulling away. I put her ankle in an armlock and gave it to her, but not as tight an armlock as I would have liked, afraid that she would complain to a bouncer or something. So she was able to pull away after a few seconds at a time. She claimed to like it but I don't think she really did, which I don't care as long as she let me do it. It actually turns me on more when the girl doesn't like it but has to laugh anyway.

Before her there was this hot hispanic-looking girl and I let her start dancing for me and I asked if she was ticklish. She said yes and I asked if she would let me tickle her. She was very emphatic that no she didn't like be tickled, that her cousins I think she said it was her cousins, traumatized her by tickling her when she was younger. I persisted a little bit, offering to buy more than one dance if she let me tickle her, but nothing doing. I spent the rest of the dance asking her about where she was ticklish and stuff like that. She didn't seem to want to talk about it too much. I don't know if she just wasn't feeling talkative in general, because tickling was all I wanted to talk to her about.

So all in all I had a good time. I got to take my tickle aggression out on a cute stripper, although nowhere near as much aggression as I would have liked to. At least if she was a prostitute I could say hey I'm paying you X dollars, those feet/ribs/etc belong to me for the next hour or however long it is. But not for a $10 dance I couldn't exactly say that. Especially in a public place. But it was okay.

 

[NonConTickler]

You didn't really answer Viper's question. You state that you don't believe the woman wanted what you were doing, yet you did it anyway. You seem to be suggesting that "she could have walked away," as though that means she really did want it, but you don't believe she did regardless.

I'd like to suggest that she found the money you were offering just barely sufficient to overcome her disgust and/or annoyance with what you were doing. This is like paying someone enough to empty portable toilets: Obviously there are people out there who will do it, but its not exactly a recommendation for your charm.

Viper's question remains, though: you know she didn't like it. The fact that she overcame her dislike in order to get your money doesn't change that, and even you know it. So why do you have so little regard for these women's wishes?

A man's got to know his limitations, I suppose. It is sort of sad that you simply accept those limitations, rather than, say, get some professional help to work on them. But at least you know they're there.

I don't have a problem with the idea of paying to get a woman to let you tickle her, any more than I have a problem with the idea of prostitution. It's a fee for a service - no big deal. But if I saw a man in a restaurant insulting and humiliating a waitress I wouldn't think much of him as a man, even (heck, especially) if he gave her a big tip. It's an unpleasant experience for her - and needlessly so - and the fact that he pays her well doesn't make up for it. It would be even more pathetic if he offered her a big tip to get her to let him insult and humiliate her because that's how he gets his sexual satisfaction. That's my problem here, and I suspect the problem most people have with what you did.

If you need to pay women to get your kicks, that's your business. But what say you find a few dancers who don't mind you quite so much, and pay them rather than the ones who really dislike you?

Well whether she liked it or just put up with it for the money is for my purposes irrelevent. Whatever her reasons, she chose to let me do it. For my purposes that is all that matters. I'm just pointing out that I can't be accused of forcing anyone to do anything they didn't choose to do. As for the first girl who didn't want to be tickled, again she chose to put up with my questions. I can't be accused of forcing her to do anything. Whatever her reasons, she danced for me despite not being interested in my line of questioning. As for why am I not particularly concerned with the wishes of the girls, hey I already said I'm self-absorbed. It's part of the reason why I choose not to pursue a relationship or any interaction with a good looking woman that does not involve money. I want the interaction to be on my terms. From my perspective it is on my terms, and from her perspective it is on her terms also or else she would say "no I won't do that" or in the case of the girl I didn't tickle, "stop asking me those questions".

By the way I am in therapy and on anti-depressants, have been for 10+ years. Unfortunately it isn't a cure-all but I believe my depression would be much worse, where I would not be able to function enough to go to work every day, without it.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

As for the first girl who didn't want to be tickled, again she chose to put up with my questions.

She chose to dance for you. Whatever comes out of your mouth has nothing to do with what she chose to do, which was dance.

I can't be accused of forcing her to do anything.

Really? Maybe you need to go back and read what you first wrote..?

I persisted a little bit, offering to buy more than one dance if she let me tickle her, but nothing doing. I spent the rest of the dance asking her about where she was ticklish and stuff like that. She didn't seem to want to talk about it too much. I don't know if she just wasn't feeling talkative in general, because tickling was all I wanted to talk to her about.

As for why am I not particularly concerned with the wishes of the girls, hey I already said I'm self-absorbed.

That's your excuse? You're "self-absorbed" ?

What happens if one of your little pursuits becomes a little whacked or you get with a girl who's really freaked by it and goes to press charges. What's your excuse for your behavior going to be?

"Oh. It's okay, officer. I'm self-absorbed."

It's part of the reason why I choose not to pursue a relationship or any interaction with a good looking woman that does not involve money.

No offense, but by the looks of how you seem to view women: Then I say, lucky for them that you don't persue relationships.

or in the case of the girl I didn't tickle, "stop asking me those questions".

Wait-- you're so focused on getting something that you are completely blind to blatant cues, such as, I don't know.. her NOT answering your questions? That's not enough for you to realize, "Hey, maybe she doesn't want to fucking discuss this. Maybe I should just shut the fuck up and enjoy the dance I came here for."

Either that, or go hire a prostitute and have fun with that. It's like you're comparing Dancers to Prostitutes in some ways and that's really stupid.

By the way I am in therapy and on anti-depressants, have been for 10+ years. Unfortunately it isn't a cure-all but I believe my depression would be much worse, where I would not be able to function enough to go to work every day, without it.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything in the thread. Is this supposed to excuse your behavior? Or alter someone else's opinion of your behavior?

 

[BellaRisa]

Being a stripper can be like being a bartender, men want to tell you their troubles and/or indulge in their fantasies as much as possible, hence him talking to the girl about tickling. Noncon has already said, clearly, that he has issues he's dealing with and that he's not forcing himself on anyone. However distasteful many of us find his style of tickle-seeking, he's not hurting anyone or getting into a phony relationship just to indulge his kink (which I'd find far more reprehensible) and he's obviously telling us all this because he needs to tell someone, and this actually is the forum for that. I like my tickling with at least friendship if not love, but not everyone needs or wants that.

 

[Cavum]

NonConTickler....when I see they way you look at woman, Im not supriced you have to PAY to get some action. jeez...
Is it really so hard to respect girls?

 

[Redmage]

Well whether she liked it or just put up with it for the money is for my purposes irrelevent.

I understand that you believe that. The question is, what made you this way?

Whatever her reasons, she chose to let me do it.

Just as person being mugged "chooses" to surrender wallet or purse as an alternative to being shot.

As I said, you can pay someone enough to empty portable toilets. If you don't mind being in the same category, then that's your choice. But unlike you I do wonder about reasons when I see something like that.

I'm not sure what this has to do with anything in the thread. Is this supposed to excuse your behavior? Or alter someone else's opinion of your behavior?

He dropped that in because I suggested it might do him good to seek help for this behavior. I'm guessing that he believes he's done enough in that area.

 

[Redmage]

Noncon has already said, clearly, that he has issues he's dealing with and that he's not forcing himself on anyone. However distasteful many of us find his style of tickle-seeking, he's not hurting anyone or getting into a phony relationship just to indulge his kink (which I'd find far more reprehensible) and he's obviously telling us all this because he needs to tell someone, and this actually is the forum for that.

Fair enough -- up to a point.

I agree that it's good to talk this out. And I think it's good to come someplace like this to do it - after all, if not here, where? (Well, perhaps a therapist's office, but OK.) So, I don't want NC or anyone else to suppose that I don't support talking with someone to work out something like this.

I do part company with you (as I understand your post) on two points though. First, it seems to me that NC doesn't really regard what he did as a problem. Rather, he seems to regard it as a reasonable solution to a problem. I disagree. Pay for it, fine. Pay for it with a woman who he knows doesn't want it, not so fine. Pick her because she doesn't want it, not fine at all.

Second, I don't agree that no one was hurt here. True, no one was injured, but that's not the same thing. Making a dancer's life (or anyone else's) harder than it needs to be just for the sake of sexual interest really is not OK, and I don't believe we should pretend that it is.