• If you would like to get your account Verified, read this thread
  • The TMF is sponsored by Clips4sale - By supporting them, you're supporting us.
  • Reminder - We have a ZERO TOLERANCE policy regarding content involving minors, regardless of intent. Any content containing minors will result in an immediate ban. If you see any such content, please report it using the "report" button on the bottom left of the post.
  • >>> If you cannot get into your account email me at [email protected] <<<
    Don't forget to include your username

Tickling, feet, laughter and tears in equal portions

Status
Not open for further replies.
@ K-

Sticks and stones, sticks and stones. You know, its really easy to say his work is great, but its even harder to prove it or want to prove it. The only way to prove it is to go into detail. No one here is willing to prove it, not for his sake, not for anyone's sake. What kind of support is that? How is it even a valid opinion? Thats rather vague. Think about it.


EDIT:

@ TO-

This is an art forum. The fact that it's tickling doesn't take away from that. Art is art.
 
Last edited:
Oh, so you've decided not to listen to me, hijack my threads again, keep writing paragraph after paragraph of repetitive reasoning and step up the subtle insult then? You must realise you are responsible for several artists, whether if they have posted here or not, cease to show any of their artwork. I won't name anyone for now, but you probably know who they are. Somehow I knew you was trouble from the start when you arrived in sl44n3sh's cute art when you were incredibly fussy, but you've moved up several gears. Since then, it's been nothing but fear, disarray and downright fury in this forum for the past year and a half. You have singlehandedly ruined the untainted reputation of this fine section of the TMF. Makes you feel proud to have that honour now, does it?

Since you've decided to draw first blood by critically ripping apart my work for the second time in as many years, I'll go as low as you and do the same. Your art, while well-drawn and sketched, lacks a decent amount of personality and vibrancy in its appearance, not to mention humour. It seems clear that your worthy talent is way too miniscule to harbour that incredibly huge ego of yours. Most importantly, most of your art is posted in the wrong place: A tickling forum. And you wonder why no-one posts in your threads. By way of compensation, you reply to every single reply, write way too many off-the-point sentences, and drift off on different subject matter. You cannot deny the crystal clear truth.

This is not an art critic magazine where you think it's right to totally rubbish one person's hard work. This is a place where people work their ass off to show their talents amd have some fun in the process, and for some pompous reprobate like yourself to come down on their by-product heavily in the critical sense, it hurts... it REALLY hurts. But you obviously couldn't care less, as your conceited little mind says you're far better than anyone else in this forum. Don't deny it. Way too many people here think the same thing.

And that's rich telling me to move on. God knows how long you drew out that sl44n3sh issue. That's just showing hypocrisy of the highest order.

PS: Do even like tickling? Or do you actually have a foot fetish?
 
Art is a subjective matter - opinions come and opinions go.

Let's cherish the chance to see so many diverse artists on this forum.
 
😛 This thread should be renamed "The clash of the World-class debaters". 😛
 
You can create little conspiracy theories all you want, but in in the end I take it with a grain of salt as should everyone else. The fact is, you have to use the past to confront me. Did I ever critique then? Hardly. You are bringing up long dead issues to justify your hatred of me. I don't see why you should feel that way at all. I don't hate you or anyone here. If you take this issue responsibly you should deal with whats on the table in front of you now. And what is on the table in front of you now? An opinion. Something you can hardly blast effectively or at all.

As Dave himself says in his sticky for Constructive Criticism-

"If you post your work here, prepare yourself to be critiqued as well as appreciated. It’s nice to have a lot of posts telling you how good your work is, but not everyone likes the same thing. Art is very subjective. Everyone needs to be able to withstand a little constructive criticism. In the long run, it can only help you. If someone tells you they would have done your line drawing differently or your shading from another perspective, you have two choices: get upset and never post again, which would be bad…or deal with it and either agree or don’t. It’s your work, do what you will, but be open to suggestion."

That right theres discribes you perfectly. You have dealt with my comments in a totally unprofessional way (yet again), borderlining shit flinging. And monkeys do that actually, in the zoos. I saw it on MAX EX.

This is still an art forum and different opinions are abound. You just have to accept that as fact.

I REFUSE to help perpetuate complacency, ignorance, and conditioning. You sir, are conditioned. So much so that you can't even see it. What I say hurts so much because I'm the only one saying it, and I'm the only one that has said it in a long time. Well, not the only one, but its close. You simply probably feel naked and vulnerable. Like I said before, we all are in the eyes of the people that view our work. If I wasn't the only one doing this, you would have grown accustomed to critiques and such by now, making you a better, bigger person in the process. This would apply to everyone.

As for MY art I have people telling me all the time how, what, and why it is so good and makes it different from everyone else's here. Theres no reason for them to go out of their way in public AND in private to more or less worship me. I don't ask to be worshipped, but they do it anyway. So do I believe them, or believe you because you are in a childish fit right now and are angry, afflicted, and just don't know what to do or say or think? Even if I didn't get such praise, I would still believe I'm an excellent artist whose going places if I choose to with my art.

You won't be able to see any good in me when you're this way. My good qualities you pass aside and make invisible. You focus on making me a bad person in the public light. If I really had it out for you publically or privately, or for anyone for that matter, including Slaanesh, I would have done something about it. The fact that I don't seek and destroy is a testament to my good will. If I wanted to make enemies I would. But if an enemy to you is simply someone that doesn't see things your way, then you are bound to have many enemies in your lifetime, starting with the greatest of all- yourself.

If you can't listen to me, listen to Kalamos. Our messeges are the same, but different. But make no mistake about it, if I feel the need to render my opinion again later, I will. If the people of this art forum will not take it upon themselves to start critiquing on their own, then I suppose I'll have to do the critiquing for all of us. I see no balance, and what I bring is to be naturally expected, by the words of Dave.

P.S- Does that really matter? It shouldn't, and it shouldn't change how people think about me and my art. The fact I draw it for you is sufficent enough. I know the mechanics of a good tickling scenario, I know what makes a good picture, I know the tricks of the trade, hell, I probably know more that some of you do. I don't have to guess what people will like because after years of observation I KNOW what people like. The fact I'm reserved and subtle about it makes no real difference.

But to be fair about it and answer your questions, I like the aspect of SOME tickling, its cute and has its place on all levels. I'd hardly call that a fetish however. Lots of people are like me, perhaps more than there are fetishists. As for the foot fetish, thats a grey area. I just like drawing feet as I would any part of the human body. Since I am not singling out any one spot that doesn't make it a fetish. On the other hand however, I AM here, and I AM mingling with fetishists. I might as well be one of you if I'm drawing these things for you and for me and enjoying them.

But its MY art, MY gift being used. Of course I'm happy. Does it really matter how I use it or what I draw?
 
Last edited:
😕 For the sake of other artists and members who come to post and view artwork, could I suggest that you guys settle your personal issue through emails or private messages.


I have known you guys for a while through this forum and other websites and groups. I know you both are stand-up guys with great character. It just seems that you both are bringing others who don't know you guys from Adam into your personal issue discussion.

I hate to say this but you both are contributing to a hostile forum in which new artists will not want to post their art because of this "flame war" that has started in this thread.

Could you guys just agree to disagree on whatever personal baggage there is between you. Maybe if you guys can't handle this civilly, put each other on your ignore lists and continue to enjoy other members posts and replies.

I feel like a child witnessing his parents argue before the divorce.
🙁
 
Celtic, Gripped has displayed his displeasure at your "Critisism" of his work. He obviously dislikes it, so why not show how civil you can be and simply stop. You know, i don't know why people have to be negative to each others work. Point is their taking the time out of their lives to do something for other people, be it art, writing, or other things. Why can't we simply enjoy each others contributions. Celtic, you feel people are simply kissing up to chimp. Is it possible that people are simply thanking him for taking time out of his life to do art for the people that come to this forum?
 
@ rajee-

I don't have a personal feud with him. He started this. I'm just defending myself, my opinion. Its as simple as that. This is going to end the same way King Midriff's thread did, most likely. The exact same thing is happening here as was there. Will this thread therefore be closed because of him? In actuality, he is foiling his own plans.

If he can't take something and leave it be, accept it as a fact, then its his problem, and always will be. I am not responsible for his anger, I am not responsible for his emotions, and I am not responsible for his behavior. These are things he alone needs to have control over. If he can't, he needs help. This really is as simple as him being intolerant.

@ cosmo- Of course people are thanking him, as people are thanking me. Thats not the issue. He does have value here, as much as I do or anyone else for that matter. Never once did I say he was not worth being here or that he was no good at all. I am no different than he is in a sense. But the difference is I am not complacent and I am not conditioned to accept only praise. I won't allow myself to fall into that trap. It is my right to express my opinion. I won't just shut up because he and others don't like it.

If people have the right to praise him I have the right to do it also. But I also have the right, just as everyone else, to critique him if I so wish. But this issue isn't about critiquing. I have yet to critique this update. But I will if this persists and I know he won't like it.
 
Last edited:
Gah, for the love of the holy toaster, would people just *stop* arseing about and leave the ego to one side when they come here? Christ on a bike, it's like Westminster on heat here.

All I came for was a gander at Chimp's latest batch, since I'm quite a fan of his stuff: On that subject, all I can say is "well done m8", because it really *is* a rather funky update. Granted, it's not exactly Van Gophe (sp), but then again, I wasn't *looking* for exceptionally quality, nor was I looking for something to..well..."use for my own purposes" shall we say, lol. I appreciate it for its origonality, talent and attitude, and also because I like the person behind the pen (or brush) who drew it. It's just fun to see.

So *some* people should just drop the act of criticism for criticisms sake. Celtic, I'm sorry, but you simply come across as a man who wishes to poke holes at other people's work in an effort to make yourself sound like an authority on the subject, and frankly it grates on people. You know it, too, which is pretty lame in my humble opinion. Clearly, you have an issue, either personal or artistic, with Chimp, and clearly they should be voiced over pm because its *not* helping the atmosphere of this forum.

*sigh*

More importantly: Thankyou chimp, I enjoyed your update, and I look forward to your next batch once you've finished your work.

Don't work *too* hard, eh? 😛

AT
 
I like the fact he contributes too. I don't dislike him the way he dislikes me. This really is about people not letting their emotions run wild. I'm not expecting a masterpiece from him, no one is. But that still doesn't change the fact that what I've said has no foul or wrong in it.

Rather than just acknowledging my opinion as my opinion he calls me on it because he feels insulted. If thats how he feels he has options, as Dave so properly put it. This is only one recourse he could have taken. Every action gets a reaction. I'm merely reacting to his cross-examination of me. The fact that it is HE and others that would have to prod ME for having MY opinion is whats curious here. Its like you can't figure me out so you think disecting me might do. Well, thats not going to happen. As long as I state my opinion in a clear and honest way (which I have, I never beat around the bush) I shouldn't have to defend it like I am. Its not right for things as simple as opinions to get out of hand this way, Admiral. I'm sure you will agree with that sentiment. The fact I don't sugarcoat my opinions is good. I don't ever want to do that. Its a form of lying.

As for your opinion of me, you can think whatever you want, because you will yourself to. You don't know me, and likely never will. I know me, I am me. I know what I think and I know what I mean to do. I am my keeper.
 
I'm sorry, but this is getting really funny. It reminds me of one of those crazy anime shows:

"Silly fool, you will never defeat the dark powers of Shar."
"Oh yes I will, I have the ring of death."
"Heh heh heh be prepared to be smited, young one."
aaaand then the fighting starts
 
Sorry guys, but I have to disagree here.

I see little reason in posting angered comments over DJ's criticism.

Read DJ's post carefully: he is right, under his own fashion.
He is only stating his own opinion, as best as he can.

I would urge you to ponder the weight of his words before getting upset, and act accordingly.

If you disagree and consider it a slander, just pass over rather than give it undue credit.

By carrying over the flame you only jeopardize the original thread, bringing no lasting good fruits to the community.

...

DJ, I've noticed you edited your latest comments, after posting them.

Rather sensible, of you: this saved us all a rather embarassing question.


Reg's.
 
Exactly. Well put Kalamos. Although the answer isn't to ignore me (or others) either. The key is balance. In being able to accept what someone has said and agree to disagree peacefully. He nor anyone in the past has done this with me (with the exception of Tomato Dragon, whom I've twice or more congratulated for being big enough to not only accept my remarks but take my suggestions into consideration). And dare I say, I have been more mature than them in this regard. Times past have favored me for a reason. Because while I was just as involved as they were, I made it a point to acknowledge that my opinion is only my opinion. If other people share it but are afraid to join in (I know you're out there and I know you agree) thats fine. If they don't, they simply don't.

I'm not making some ungodly, radical statements. What I said was pretty simple and straight forward. Wasn't it? I don't know why people take what I say and exagerate it, twist it even to mean something else. It does absolutely NO good to anyone. All it does is create a sort of propoganda against me. It antagonizes me. It creates for people a fake role to assume in dealing with me. I'm not a villian, no one here is.

And Kalamos, I edit my posts all the time. I'm really meticulous that way. If I see a typo I fix it. I'm just that way. If its going to stress me out I won't do it though. My peace of mind is more important than a simple typo that most people probably know is a typo.

As for your final comment, I'm not sure what you mean in that I changed something. I could be mistaking what you mean for something else, or I may be oblivious. Since you did not mention it, I can only assume whatever it was I editted was important. If you want, PM me and tell me what it was, because I have no idea what you mean by that.
 
Last edited:
While this whole discussion is undeniably fascinating, I'm about to forget the real reason why I keep coming to this forum.

And it has nothing to do with *art*.


Reg's.
 
Indeed. I find myself coming here more often for the general discussion forum. I'm not satisfied with just posting my artwork anymore.
 
If people decide to stop doing there art here because of Celtics constant critisism, Kalamos, then it becomes an issue. Simply put, he knows people get upset, yet he still pisses on them. Frankly, this is not helpful to the artist. Given time, and the artist will improve. Let them find there own flaws. However, badgering them consistantly until they decide to stop posting is not helpful at all.
 
Thats a gross exageration of what I do. And I don't even critique often. This is really being blown out of proportion. And thats a shame. Its like that Y2K scare that never happened. My opinions are not leading to anything. They are what they are. What is so hard to understand about that?
 
let me ask you something Celtic, why do you critisise? What is the purpose of it?
 
Why do my opinions matter so much that people take them to heart? What is the purpose of that?
 
-> cosmo_ac

If people stop posting because of criticism, either they are too sensitive, or criticism is too harsh.

Getting upset or stop posting only hurts the community - and you - not the critic.

If you can't live with [harsh] critiques, simply try and ignore them.
They are usually outweighed by positive responses, anyway. 🙂

On most forums, reporting a flame to mods is actually a double-edged sword.

They can only do so much, and close a thread for review, effectively denying the original poster exposure.

The only way to let flames die is to take fuel away.


Remember this.
Always measure critiques by whom makes them.
 
Yes, thats true. But I know its not my critiques that are too potent. Alot of you are overly sensitive, and it shows. You resort to name calling, you try and dig up old points that don't matter anymore, and you try to defame me. These are all the outlashings of a sensitive person that has lost control.

In my case, reporting me is a double-edged sword as the mods will find this is merely my opinion. Its not a flame at all. I'm not immature and I give reasons for my opinions. I don't shout "it sucks" and run off like a coward. In fact, I don't even use words like that. I'm technical and people fear technical responses because they are often well supported and irrefutable.

I am only one person among many. I am not nearly the problem I'm being made to me. My opinions are just opinions. The rules are established to protect the individual not select groups. To do otherwise would unfair. It would wrong be to deny the individual any rights at all.
 
-> DJ

You are eminently right: you are only one person, among many others.


Let's all keep this in mind, gentlemen.
 
Kalamos, your right, if the artist gets upset and leaves, it doesn't hurt the critic, it hurts the forum and the person who posts. So, it can be very distructive.

Cletic, your not answering my question. My guess is your doing this to help the artist, am i right?
 
@ Kalamos- I would hope however that people don't use that for any sort of angle. What more are weight of numbers than more opinions? When has that ever mattered before? One opinion can mean more than a thousand, in the same way that one voice can speak volumes and be stronger than a thousand voices. Hopefully people will keep their perspective.

@ cosmo- You are not answering mine. And no, you shouldn't assume anything. What difference does it make how I answer the question? I know its rigged, and no matter how I answer it you're going to try and make something of it. So whats the point?
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
What's New
1/29/26
Visit Clips4Sale for a great selection of tickling clips!

Door 44
Live Camgirls!
Live Camgirls
Streaming Videos
Pic of the Week
Pic of the Week
Congratulations to
*** brad1701 ***
The winner of our weekly Trivia, held every Sunday night at 11PM EST in our Chat Room
Top