what happened to The Golden Rule

[Tickle Abuse]

I think its fair to say that I have been through my share of BS on TMF, and I have always tried to take it in stride. I have had members tell me that my models are really dudes, that I am a sell-out, pretty much everything in between. Until recently, most of the negative comments were either expressed in a PM or were on one of my threads and accompanied by some kind of intelligent explaination. Now any of my customers will tell that I am NEVER offended by constructive criticism. I credit my success to listening to what my customers want. Its simple, you pay for my content, I do what you want within reason. My long time customers will even tell you that I refused to do any tickling videos with nudity for more than 2 years. But if the demand is there, I will do it. You may love me, you may hate me, but I have had the top c4s tickling store for over 3 years, I do have the biggest tickling membership site on the internet as well, I believe I must be doing something right and I believe my opinion counts for more than a little. So here it goes...

Lately there is so much negativity, I mean personal assaults on producers and others. Of course it is spread by a very small minority of members, but it makes me sick, makes me no longer want to be a part of this community if it isn't stopped. Imagine you are a brand new member, you visit the video clips section and you see member after member personally insulting Skelyrata about his videos and providing no intelligent discourse about what is wrong with the production but all you read are comments about his physical appearence. You think the people commenting are goddamn male models? You think newbies are going to think this is a cool, understanding forum where they will feel comforatable? Who gives a shit if you think Skelyrata is a fat bastard, he has far more balls than almost anyone here by posting his videos. He is comfortable with who he is and what he is doing, and although you don't have to buy his videos, if you feel compelled to comment please say something intelligent and constructive.

This only begins with Skelyrata, there are random negative posts in general that add NOTHING to the forum. Posts like "why do you buy from C4S" and others, you know who you are. Just leave, just go away if you have nothing INTELLIGENT to add to the forum. Why do the MODS allow you to stay? Members of TMF please complain, report these posts or you will be left with haters and I will leave, other decent contributing members will leave as well. I shouldn't EVER have to read a thread where I, or Skelyrata, or Zen Tickling or any producer is defending him or herself against stupidity, against someone who obviously gets off on being an instigator. MODS, please remove these people. I have even had to endure comments about my daughter, in threads and in PM's. Who the F thinks he or she is entitled to comment about my family? I am producing fucking tickling porn, comment about that in an intelligent manner, DO NOT bring up my daughter or any other member of my family. Want me or anyone else to memtion your family? And to the asshole who said that it is relevant because I mentioned my daughter in a thread once before--yes I did, when I mentioned that Tasha and I were blessed with a baby girl, it was the happiest day of my life and I wanted to share something intensely personal with people who I already share something intensely personal with.

I remember when I first came to TMF, I was a lurker like so many, I even had my webmaster post samples for me. I was afraid that someone would say that I am a freak, that there is something wrong with me. Now in my personal life you would never say that about me. I am a Marine, Ivy League educated, a great father, I have had several successful businesses because I was raised to work hard and earn what I wanted in life. Nothing has changed about me by starting my Tickle Abuse c4s stores and tickleabuse.com website. I am not ashamed about doing what I love. I have done the Tyra Banks Show and told the world that yes I love tickling and pretty much go fuck yourself if you dont want to try to understand or at least tolerate what gets me off. This year you will find other mainstream shows featuring me that i have done, and again, I tell the world boldy and with confidence that I am doing what I love, at least respect it even if you don't appreciate it. I have turned down many other mainstream offers that would not promise me this. But here on TMF, of all places, I find intolerance and stupidity. TMF is home to us all. TMF is infinitely more important than tickleabuse.com, than clips4sale, than anything that has ever existed in the tickling community. Please respect it, please report to moderators hateful and stupid comments that add nothing to our experience of this forum. Of course most of the forum is filled with intelligent and thoughtful observation and comments, with genuine questions and first time posts filled with the hope of validation and approval. But TMF is in danger, I spend as much time on this forum as anyone else and I see it. For the first time in many years I am not sure if I want to stay here. I see posts that embarrass me, that give me the feeling that I am not welcome to express what I am feeling (or producing) and to have to at least have the protection of the community to call out stupidity when they see it.

TMF is all of us, to anyone reading this thread or any other. We ALL protect it, we ALL continue it, we ALL determine what the TMF will be like in the future. All I ask if I may be so bold is to report the nonsense that does not make TMF the respite that it is when we are doubting ourselves, when we come here to feel normal and accepted, when we want to express our ideas and thoughts and not be judged superficially, and when we are, to be comforted by the fact that such behavior is not accepted here.

Tommy

 

[mustang]

Tommy the people that you speak of are the ones with a problem. You are the best in the business. I can't imagine why anyone would want to make snide remarks about you. Screw the assholes. Ignore them. You have all the fans.

 

[primetime]

Hey Tommy, I read those insane comments about Skelyrata, and it was beyond ridiculous. I'm sure Myriads is addressing those individuals. But you are right. They don't really bring anything to the table, but for some unknown reason, they think their words are golden. Like they're doing us a favor. Despite the fact that there is a lot of diversity on here, they feel the need to complain.

I deal with this type of crap in the line of work I do. People like to bitch. They like to complain. They feel as though they are entitled to anything they want because they are who they are. I know it can be frustrating to you as a producer, but rest assured, your work is highly admired. The other producers (Skelyrata for example) are still producing clips. Which means those "bad seeds" are not really disrupting anything. There continues to be an audience for them and the vast majority enjoy all the producers and the material you make. In society, we deal with crazy customers who yell to the top of their lungs, meanwhile the people who love your work do not say much. But I feel you though, those loudmouths keep on coming and get really annoying.

As for the mention of your daughter. Keep in mind that person has spent their entire existence on this forum trying to "save" the world of all the people who enjoy the non-consensual fantasy. For some unknown reason, that person has been picking on your clips. I guess the distinction of SCRIPTED video is too much for that person and they think it's all real and you're violating them. Think of it this way. You must be doing a hell of a job making the video realistic looking that this person thinks you are violating the tickle models. The simple fact that your work is out there for all to see should let this person know your clips are SCRIPTED, even if you put "this video is non-consensual!".

Just let the blowhards be blowhards. There words mean nothing. Like you said, the good citizens on this forum should report them, and let the mods deal with it. Myriads, Jeff and crew do a good job once they are aware of the situation. I am confident Myriads is monitoring the situation with Skelyrata and it will be resolved. I want you to keep doing what you're doing Tommy. You and the other producers do a fine job. The blowhards are just blowing a bunch of hot air. To me it's funny that they think they know so much, but in reality, they don't know a damn thing.

 

[Tickle Abuse]

Hey Tommy, I read those insane comments about Skelyrata, and it was beyond ridiculous. I'm sure Myriads is addressing those individuals. But you are right. They don't really bring anything to the table, but for some unknown reason, they think their words are golden. Like they're doing us a favor. Despite the fact that there is a lot of diversity on here, they feel the need to complain.

I deal with this type of crap in the line of work I do. People like to bitch. They like to complain. They feel as though they are entitled to anything they want because they are who they are. I know it can be frustrating to you as a producer, but rest assured, your work is highly admired. The other producers (Skelyrata for example) are still producing clips. Which means those "bad seeds" are not really disrupting anything. There continues to be an audience for them and the vast majority enjoy all the producers and the material you make. In society, we deal with crazy customers who yell to the top of their lungs, meanwhile the people who love your work do not say much. But I feel you though, those loudmouths keep on coming and get really annoying.

As for the mention of your daughter. Keep in mind that person has spent their entire existence on this forum trying to "save" the world of all the people who enjoy the non-consensual fantasy. For some unknown reason, that person has been picking on your clips. I guess the distinction of SCRIPTED video is too much for that person and they think it's all real and you're violating them. Think of it this way. You must be doing a hell of a job making the video realistic looking that this person thinks you are violating the tickle models. The simple fact that your work is out there for all to see should let this person know your clips are SCRIPTED, even if you put "this video is non-consensual!".

Just let the blowhards be blowhards. There words mean nothing. Like you said, the good citizens on this forum should report them, and let the mods deal with it. Myriads, Jeff and crew do a good job once they are aware of the situation. I am confident Myriads is monitoring the situation with Skelyrata and it will be resolved. I want you to keep doing what you're doing Tommy. You and the other producers do a fine job. The blowhards are just blowing a bunch of hot air. To me it's funny that they think they know so much, but in reality, they don't know a damn thing.

Thank you for the kind words. I don't always expect kind words, lol, and that's ok. I actually keep every email or comment that provides constructive criticism even if its totally ripping me. I want to do better, and though I believe i have provided content that appeals to a broader appeal outside of my own, I definitely expect some criticism for doing so, and that's fine with me and expected. Like you, I don't expect comments that cross the line or are without merit.

 

[ChicagoDavid]

Tommy,

I had the pleasure of meeting you briefly while in NYC, and you’re terrific. There always will be assholes, and the anonymity of the web always will embolden them. And they always will be loud. I hope you stay with TMF; you clearly are a hugely valued member of this community.

Mods, I know you have a tough job. But to the extent that you wrestle with, “should I let people say what they want vs should I pull the plug on obvious assholes,” please know that there are a whole bunch of us out there who favor an aggressive approach!

Dave

 

[jmsdarke]

I think we're experiencing the resurgence of a vitriolic, high level of personal disrespect from flame throwers targeting Skelyrata. There are people who only feel valuable when destroying others. The point that Tommy makes about the value of our community here on the TMF is what these haters miss.

Destroying takes no skill and dedication, but building does.

Something else I think we should take note of, when they attacked Skelyrata, rather than flame back with force, he edited new versions of his clip to accommodate their issues. You've got to give Skelyrata very high marks for taking the high road that way.

I've had a few personal attacks about me being in my videos and being over-weight. For me personally, I just channel Stave Martin in the movie "Roxanne" and self-deprecate my way to oblivion - but I shouldn't have to.

One of the most powerful solutions to fix this issue long term is we need more of the silent voices (from the 10s of thousands of TMF members) to speak up from time to time. You don't need to go head-to-head with the destroyers. But adding reason by means of support or recommendations for improvement will help to bring balance to the force and drown out the disrespectful voices.

We need your help.

Considering that producers providing content to the forum do it, both to (of course) promote sales. But we also are very proud and happy to contribute cool stuff to our community. Every time I post another preview, I feel so good to know that for years to come, someone will see it and say "wow. Other people think like me. I'm not alone".

I think the missing word from the bile spewing haters is "Thanks".

JD

 

[ShiningIce]

Tommy's one of the FEW producers who actually does the shit I LIKE. TICKLE TORTURE. Almost everyone else seems to want to make every video either with a fucking vibrator or a a goddamn erotic tickle massage. I HATE THAT SHIT! I was thanking every God in the universe when tickleabuse came on the scene. and now the trolls are making him want to leave. Just fucking great.

Honestly I'd tell all those "moral" self-righteous members to go and fuck themselves.

 

[skelyrata]

Tommy I am glad you took the initiative to make this post.

I agree with Tommy 100% and think TMF moderators should do something about it.

From a business point of view, only God knows how many potential buyers have been lost, not because of a good negative critic, but as a result of posts after posts of hate and empty trashing that in most cases doesn't even address the clip itself. I know for a fact that many members have migrated to TickleTheatre running away from them. Only God knows how much they have hurt the tickle fetish industry as a whole.

Producers use TMF as a very important marketing tool. We don't expect to be worship, but at least a level of respect. An important remark here is that sharing free content on TMF does not guarantee a sale, or by I keep doing it because I enjoy sharing free content and for the benefit of those who can't buy. But it is becoming very frustrating to see some of my threats totally ignored and then others blow up in hate and trash critics that do not address the clip itself and that make the few good posts get lost in the ocean of flames.

Some folks don't know this but the tickling producing community in Florida is very small and tight, and most of all live in the same coast, and we share some of the models, so if a producer "violates a model for real" the word would have gotten out to the other producers and the violator would be out of business in a snap.

 

[LD_Tickler]

I agree. I think the real problem is that people don't report such posts enough - they assume somebody else is.

Whenever I've reported something I found rude, mods took care of it. I think the mods are more than willing to enforce the GR, when their attention is drawn to violations.

 

[Babbles]

That's great. Non-Con ads do FAR more damage than one harmless generic reference.

I'm bolding to break this up, not to shout.

I should not have been implicated in this thread at all, but once again you make an inappropriate snarky comment alluding to me,
when you were out of line, and once again, another inappropriate poster had to blow it further out of proportion, as he often does.

You're "ivy-league educated?" Then you should've understood the difference. And now you'll paint me a villain for that comment too.

Don't post statements like that to justify yourself as if a degree from a particular school, or the fact that you're a father, make your points carry more weight. And then fault me for once referencing them.

---THAT was the context I commented upon after you were rude to me.

I had joked harmlessly about a comment someone made that had nothing to do with you *whatsoever, and you went out of your way to make *me feel unwelcome for absolutely no reason.

SINCE YOU MAKE A POINT OF IT HERE AND NOW ----

I saw a reference you made to your family in another complaint thread you posted recently --- it was not a happy personal thread, I never saw that ---
and there were no names, I had no idea as to any personal details, and have no desire to know ---

You mentioned your fatherhood in that other complaint thread again as if it gave your statements more weight. And maybe it could, but not when you comment inappropriately yourself.

**There was NOTHING offensive about my saying that as a father you should appreciate people who speak up for women's rights when said child becomes an adult.
**Especially when I all I had been doing was vaguely & jokingly defending models against SOMEONE ELSE (!!)

Since you make an issue of it, I'm replying for clarification.
That was not an unreasonable statement.

-- However, I understood after that, that even a benign generic statement of that sort was considered out of bounds, however logical, unspecific and non-threatening.

So neither you nor Primetime had any business lumping me in with those who spew hate. I obviously only get "loud" when I see or read what looks like real abuse. That looks a helluva lot more like "hate" to me.

I've said too many times I support & share the fantasy. When it's MARKED as such. But that statement is always conveniently ignored.

You make yoursel(ves) the bullies here, who at ANY point in your career/s promote force, and then grossly exaggerate someone else's harmless public statement about those who should be more sensitive to the issue. Because you carry a grudge about previous valid complaints.

You just sadly undermined what would've been a perfectly valid and useful thread otherwise.

 

[mabus]

Hey, I asked Tommy for pantyhose clips, and he made pantyhosed clips...with the perfect kind of suntan, sheer toe nylons - oh my GOD those are so hot!- that people many of us nylon lovers liked...that is now utterly devoid in this sad, non-nyloned world we currently live in....sniff sniff.....

And Tommy tickles the hot ladies in them too, how excellent is that!
So super duper thanks, as always, Tommy!

Agreeing with James and Primetime, and adding, .....as always, if you met these trolls on the street, they wouldn't say any of this to your face.
"Hey Tommy, you suck!"
Tommy will be like "Pow!"

Actually, I think it'd be like the George Lucas phenomenon - they bash the creators of media online up and down the internet, but if they ever met these guys, they be'd like "OH SHIT it's fucking George Lucas!! You are a God!!! It's fucking Tommy from Tickle Abuse! Can I humbly shake the hand that has tickled so many hot nyloned and bare feet?!!!"

....then they'll go back online and scream about how you totally suck!

 

[Em Es]

Right on, TICKLE ABUSE

Tickle Abuse, thanks. I wanted to jump in regarding the remarks about skelyrata but your words carry a hell of a lot more weight than mine.

Honest to God, if you hate or even just dislike a video preview, why make a point to say so, T.M.F. members? Just watch the clip and compliment it if you like what you see - but if you don't, say nothing. When the thread sinks with zero or few comments, the producer will realize it's a bomb anyway, right? I see clips I dislike all the time and let my silence do the talking.

 

[Coffee]

Keep up the great Work Tommy and try to forget about the jerks

 

[soletkler]

sorry to hear about all the headaches you've been having. For what it's worth, I really enjoy your videos. Keep up the good work.

 

[Cavum]

Great post dude! Don't let the trolls get to you, even I know it can get to much some times. Your doing a great thing to the community.

I have descovered there is 2 types of trolls.
The ones on "ordinary" forums are "ordinary trolls".
The ones on fetish forums are sexual frustrated trolls.

Wile others proud out themself and share something, it seems that they only hide and blame us for not daring to live out they're fantasies.

 

[WheresThe Clip?]

I think the problem here is too many producers have lost the plot, on what this forum was supposed to be about (and at times that includes you Tommy).

I came here because I was into Tickling and that's it. For producers to post content that simulates non-consensual sexual acts (including Tickling), and then pass that off as okay because the model is (of course) acting is missing the point. This makes all producers of this sort of crap the same as those in mainstream Hollywood or the computer game industry who make violent material, and then take no responsibility for the rise of violence in society.

SINCE WHEN WAS THIS FORUM SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT SIMULATING HURTING WOMEN.

Of course none of this in reality is non-consensual, as one the model is being paid, and two would be straight off to the Police afterwards if that was the case. However that is the scenario many producers are promoting/simulating.

Now I have no real beef against Skel as a person, and on the few occasions when I have discussed something on this forum with him, he comes across as an intelligent chap. However like several other producers on here, he now produces material that is basic porn, whilst trying to pass it off as Tickling. So why be surprised when he gets the reaction he does. If I was to hire a model, on the pretext of making some sort of movie, and then fill the screen with my pimply skinny body, and then expect strangers to help me to recoup the majority of the cost of my afternoon of jollies, then I would expect a fair amount of abuse as well.

I know, I know, if you don't like it don't watch it, well basically I try not to anymore when it comes to new content, unless it is made by FRENCH TICKLING (who still remember what Tickling fetish and this forum is supposed to be about).

 

[SadCuzNotTcklsh]

what gets me down is disrespect between members. Like people just trying to meet/talk to eachother. I think I got a taste of it about 15 minutes ago...

Producers do have alot of bs to put up with, but I think most of it is out of jealousy. People treat one another like shit in the real world, and the TMF is part of the real world...so...do the math.

 

[BellybTickler]

Well said Tommy!

 

[badreligion]

I think its fair to say that I have been through my share of BS on TMF, and I have always tried to take it in stride. I have had members tell me that my models are really dudes, that I am a sell-out, pretty much everything in between. Until recently, most of the negative comments were either expressed in a PM or were on one of my threads and accompanied by some kind of intelligent explaination. Now any of my customers will tell that I am NEVER offended by constructive criticism. I credit my success to listening to what my customers want. Its simple, you pay for my content, I do what you want within reason. My long time customers will even tell you that I refused to do any tickling videos with nudity for more than 2 years. But if the demand is there, I will do it. You may love me, you may hate me, but I have had the top c4s tickling store for over 3 years, I do have the biggest tickling membership site on the internet as well, I believe I must be doing something right and I believe my opinion counts for more than a little. So here it goes...

Lately there is so much negativity, I mean personal assaults on producers and others. Of course it is spread by a very small minority of members, but it makes me sick, makes me no longer want to be a part of this community if it isn't stopped. Imagine you are a brand new member, you visit the video clips section and you see member after member personally insulting Skelyrata about his videos and providing no intelligent discourse about what is wrong with the production but all you read are comments about his physical appearence. You think the people commenting are goddamn male models? You think newbies are going to think this is a cool, understanding forum where they will feel comforatable? Who gives a shit if you think Skelyrata is a fat bastard, he has far more balls than almost anyone here by posting his videos. He is comfortable with who he is and what he is doing, and although you don't have to buy his videos, if you feel compelled to comment please say something intelligent and constructive.

This only begins with Skelyrata, there are random negative posts in general that add NOTHING to the forum. Posts like "why do you buy from C4S" and others, you know who you are. Just leave, just go away if you have nothing INTELLIGENT to add to the forum. Why do the MODS allow you to stay? Members of TMF please complain, report these posts or you will be left with haters and I will leave, other decent contributing members will leave as well. I shouldn't EVER have to read a thread where I, or Skelyrata, or Zen Tickling or any producer is defending him or herself against stupidity, against someone who obviously gets off on being an instigator. MODS, please remove these people. I have even had to endure comments about my daughter, in threads and in PM's. Who the F thinks he or she is entitled to comment about my family? I am producing fucking tickling porn, comment about that in an intelligent manner, DO NOT bring up my daughter or any other member of my family. Want me or anyone else to memtion your family? And to the asshole who said that it is relevant because I mentioned my daughter in a thread once before--yes I did, when I mentioned that Tasha and I were blessed with a baby girl, it was the happiest day of my life and I wanted to share something intensely personal with people who I already share something intensely personal with.

I remember when I first came to TMF, I was a lurker like so many, I even had my webmaster post samples for me. I was afraid that someone would say that I am a freak, that there is something wrong with me. Now in my personal life you would never say that about me. I am a Marine, Ivy League educated, a great father, I have had several successful businesses because I was raised to work hard and earn what I wanted in life. Nothing has changed about me by starting my Tickle Abuse c4s stores and tickleabuse.com website. I am not ashamed about doing what I love. I have done the Tyra Banks Show and told the world that yes I love tickling and pretty much go fuck yourself if you dont want to try to understand or at least tolerate what gets me off. This year you will find other mainstream shows featuring me that i have done, and again, I tell the world boldy and with confidence that I am doing what I love, at least respect it even if you don't appreciate it. I have turned down many other mainstream offers that would not promise me this. But here on TMF, of all places, I find intolerance and stupidity. TMF is home to us all. TMF is infinitely more important than tickleabuse.com, than clips4sale, than anything that has ever existed in the tickling community. Please respect it, please report to moderators hateful and stupid comments that add nothing to our experience of this forum. Of course most of the forum is filled with intelligent and thoughtful observation and comments, with genuine questions and first time posts filled with the hope of validation and approval. But TMF is in danger, I spend as much time on this forum as anyone else and I see it. For the first time in many years I am not sure if I want to stay here. I see posts that embarrass me, that give me the feeling that I am not welcome to express what I am feeling (or producing) and to have to at least have the protection of the community to call out stupidity when they see it.

TMF is all of us, to anyone reading this thread or any other. We ALL protect it, we ALL continue it, we ALL determine what the TMF will be like in the future. All I ask if I may be so bold is to report the nonsense that does not make TMF the respite that it is when we are doubting ourselves, when we come here to feel normal and accepted, when we want to express our ideas and thoughts and not be judged superficially, and when we are, to be comforted by the fact that such behavior is not accepted here.

Tommy

The whole "Golden rule" is a load of crap . It would be much more effective if it wasn't enforced in an arbitrary manner .

 

[skelyrata]

Is all in the tone

I understand that because I am an element of my videos, part of the critics have to be around me, weather it is as a tickler, or those who could say that if I were a girl they would buy the clip in a snap. I understand that kind of comment.

And I also understand when a person says that I am fat and stuff like that, the problem is when comments lose perspective of the clip itself and start looking as hate or trashing, specially when at the end I am convinced that behind those hate comments there are very frustrated males that wish they were in my position but they are not because they don't have the courage to take the same public humiliation that they trash me for, or because they underestimates theirselves so much that they think a woman would never allow them to do this kind of things to her for camera, when in reality it only take a little bit of self confidence.

As I said before in my thread, I am used to the "I hate your fat ass" kind of lines because I have been fat all my life and when I decided to show my face in public on my videos I was aware that there was a price in becoming a public figure.

The part that really frustrates me is when people starts saying that I violated a woman every week for real, which means that we (the model and me) did a good job on the video, but on the other hand puts in question the mental maturity of the people on this board, which after all it is a forums for adults, and can't see the difference between a fantasy video and reality.

Honestly it freaks me out to think I might run into some of them in real life and get beaten for real because they are convinced I abused women for real.

It also frustrates me when members are trashing everything they see around here and always hint to another site that does it better.

I love variety! I think the strength of TMF and our fetish is that it can be presented in many different levels and styles. I have always liked tickling as a seduction skill as part of an erotic encounter with a woman, and since day 1 thats what I have been exploring on my videos, tickling and seduction. I have been very consistent on that, and it is the main reason why I don't film much girl-girl, even though I know it would sale a lot more. I am a straight man and I like to see m/f or f/m videos, f/f is hot for a while but I lose interest quickly and in my opinion is less intense than m/f or f/m.

Also, members and fans should keep in mind that the real feedback producers follow is the one that can be seen or at the end the one that pays the bills, and when I see that two of my latest tickle-violent threats and clips generate so much attention and sales, and the threats that I make for the more traditional tickling get pretty much ignored, my instinct will go to continue doing what catch up people attention.

 

[Comfort Eagle]

I don't want to come across as a dick but, you guys make porn, and the bottom line should be making money off the porn. If I'm selling a ton of tickle porn I could care less if I get called a sell out by some jackass who's probably pirating the shit anyway. It sucks people are dicks, but I wouldn't worry unless you started seeing a noticeable decline in sales. Tall trees catch the most wind dude.

Except for that family member stuff. That's just a psychopath. Of which TMF has many.

 

[Flatfoot]

I hate to see that sort of negativity get to anybody. You guys put your hard work out there for public consumption and judgment, and there's no shortage of people willing to bitch and moan, not constructively about what they'd rather see, but denouncing the work and the creators, instead. 🙁

As this community has grown over the years, as well as the advances in filming and media technology, the market's become flooded with alternative options, niche fetishes within fetishes, and larger amounts of people ready to whine at the drop of a hat when they don't get something they want, or because their particular interest wasn't included in the mix.

If Tommy's sitting at the top of the C4S food chain, he's obviously doing SOMETHING right! With the success and expanded popularity of any artist, actor, musician, business, porn producer, etc., there comes naysayers who are ready to denounce their work; say they "sold out", or "they're not who they used to be," "So-and-so SUCKS," etc.

You gents do outstanding work, but unfortunately, you can't please everybody. As your audience increases, so too will the whiners. I suggest you keep using the formula you use, because it's obviously working for you. You listen to your audience, and produce what sells.

I'd also echo that people should report abusive posts whenever possible. The forum's grown exponentially over the past 10 years, making it harder for the moderators to catch all the infractions. If I see negative attack posts, I'll start reporting them to help clean up a little bit. Others should do the same.

 

[Tickle Abuse]

I think the problem here is too many producers have lost the plot, on what this forum was supposed to be about (and at times that includes you Tommy).

I came here because I was into Tickling and that's it. For producers to post content that simulates non-consensual sexual acts (including Tickling), and then pass that off as okay because the model is (of course) acting is missing the point. This makes all producers of this sort of crap the same as those in mainstream Hollywood or the computer game industry who make violent material, and then take no responsibility for the rise of violence in society.

SINCE WHEN WAS THIS FORUM SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT SIMULATING HURTING WOMEN.

Of course none of this in reality is non-consensual, as one the model is being paid, and two would be straight off to the Police afterwards if that was the case. However that is the scenario many producers are promoting/simulating.

Now I have no real beef against Skel as a person, and on the few occasions when I have discussed something on this forum with him, he comes across as an intelligent chap. However like several other producers on here, he now produces material that is basic porn, whilst trying to pass it off as Tickling. So why be surprised when he gets the reaction he does. If I was to hire a model, on the pretext of making some sort of movie, and then fill the screen with my pimply skinny body, and then expect strangers to help me to recoup the majority of the cost of my afternoon of jollies, then I would expect a fair amount of abuse as well.

I know, I know, if you don't like it don't watch it, well basically I try not to anymore when it comes to new content, unless it is made by FRENCH TICKLING (who still remember what Tickling fetish and this forum is supposed to be about).

I dont think the forum as a whole is about that at all, that is too much of a generalization. There are more erotic and simulated non-con video samples in the Video section for sure these days, and I have no problem with anyone criticizing and objecting to that, as long as the discussing sticks to the video. There are too many smart asses who just want to say "that video sucks" or worse "YOU suck." Call me an asshole, we'll have a problem. Intelligently dismantle my video, you'll get a productive discussion going and my respect.

 

[skelyrata]

This would be a better world

For producers to post content that simulates non-consensual sexual acts (including Tickling), and then pass that off as okay because the model is (of course) acting is missing the point. This makes all producers of this sort of crap the same as those in mainstream Hollywood or the computer game industry who make violent material, and then take no responsibility for the rise of violence in society.

SINCE WHEN WAS THIS FORUM SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT SIMULATING HURTING WOMEN.

Of course none of this in reality is non-consensual, as one the model is being paid, and two would be straight off to the Police afterwards if that was the case. However that is the scenario many producers are promoting/simulating.

Now I have no real beef against Skel as a person, and on the few occasions when I have discussed something on this forum with him, he comes across as an intelligent chap. However like several other producers on here, he now produces material that is basic porn, whilst trying to pass it off as Tickling.

You know I grew up watching GI Joe cartoons, and He Man, and Rambo movies and never went out to the street with a machine gun and executed everybody. I remember that in all of the samples above, there were rules in which the heroes worked. And at the end thats what I learned, if you set and follow the rules, you can do anything.

I wish people would follow our example and instead of kidnapping and beating and raping women for real, they would hire a hooker, or a mistress and set some rules for roleplaying. This would be a lot of a better world if everybody did that. A world where people were tought not to repress their basic instinct but to channel them out in a controlled and fun environment.

This forum is not about hurting women, or men. This forum is about the arts of tickle torture and to explore all aspect that surrounds that fantasy, including sex, love, romance, cries, roleplaying games, "non-con play", etc.

The importance here is that rules are set before the filming starts.

Have you read all the members that want to see a model tickle tortured to tears?

Members are entitled to express their opinion about a clip, but stick to the clip and no get personal. I think thats the message of this thread.

 

[texastickler]

Tommy!

I really can't say more than what has already been said except that your material has always been A-1! You always put out a good product. Sadly there are some people that can't get through the day withought a negative comment. As a TMF member and a friend to so many here, I can say withought a doubt that the majority of the people here are excellent. We admire your work and always look forward to new material from you. You are a pillar of our community and I simply want to say..Thank You.