White House WILL NOT release Bin Laden photos ....

[kis123]

Good lord. It's not like there was a thousand people outside as he made the announcement. It started small and grew and grew. What, are you saying that these people were all actors hired to create an illusion? Yeah, I'm sure the US government would recruit drunk college kids to mask their grand conspiracy. That can't fail.


...ok?


I love how you sit there and say that no one has any proof, yet continue to offer up none in favour of your theory. I can equally say that there's no proof that bin Laden wasn't a double agent for the KGB, or wasn't actually a dinosaur disguised as a muslim extremist, or hell, even that he existed at all! These are all borderline impossible scenarios, but hey, show me proof that they're not!


Yeah, Obama definitely should've thought of this. "Well, I could kill the most famous terrorist in the world, but then people might accuse me of trying to pad the election in my favour. Better not!" What's your point on Afghanistan? That it's a bad thing that it may end?


Didn't bin Laden and Al Qaeda admit responsibility for the attacks? Regardless, that's a whole 'nother, substantially larger argument. Whoever said the government never lies?


Again with the blindly disbelieving. With no evidence to back it up.


Again, why antagonize your enemy more? It's not like they gave him a full burial with a fully Muslim ceremony. They had to dispose of the body somehow, so they did it in accordance with Muslim law. And bravo, War on Oil. I think you're the first person to come up with that one.


It's almost charming that despite your railings against the government, you would accept pictures or video (time and date-stamped! That shit can't be faked!) as proof. Are you seriously going to sit here and tell me that you don't think the big bad US government could fake a picture like that.


Because the only people demanding proof are conspiracy theorists, for whom no proof will ever be enough.

For starters, I'm not the one who created the issue by smoke and mirrors and refusing to provide proof. I'm not the one who needs to provide anything; I'm the one who needs to be proven wrong, not the other way around. And you, shade, have not proven me wrong..........

The photos date and time stamped brought forth in a timely fashion would've sufficed for me. Do your best not to compare me to the garden variety conspiracy theorists; I do have a reasonable level of satisfaction and the government hasn't come nearly close.

Oh, and I'm glad you find me "almost charming"; it's almost like some sort of compliment.

 

[kis123]

I...what? Why? What argument are you trying to make here? Why would Al-Qaeda give any hint as to where their leader was while a massive manhunt for him was going on?

Yeah, a massive manhunt was going on? Yeah right, I really believe that great effort was taken to hunt him down. It only took nearly ten years; is the Middle East really that big? Only so many caves for the man to hide in! And what does that really say about our intelligence that's supposed to be among the best in the world when they can't find the man who was living in Pakistan for five years in a compound? Then again, the WMD......can't forget the WMD.....now that was great intelligence.

Then why did Al-Qaeda not come out with anything? And why did the government have to go through this elaborate charade in Pakistan where we lost a high-tech stealth helicopter in order to falsely say we killed him when we could have just said we found him in a cave and shot him?

Why didn't the US show proof of this killing? They've shown everything else from the Navy Seals involved to the canine unit they used. But no proof of him being shot and killed? Okay.....run with that if you choose.

I've not asked any of you to believe a word I've said but you're desperately trying to get me to believe this nonsense perpetrated by the government. I don't.....I just don't.

 

[Capnmad]

With respect, the timeline is still suspect and if Al Qaeda was that badass they can use better method of expression.

I don't know precisely how receptive terrorist agencies are to the concept of "constructive criticism", but you're welcome to try to pass that along. That said, I think the fact that every member of said organization is wanted for information that can be used to destroy it necessitates its current mode of communication. If they had a "spokesperson" that showed up regularly on Al Jazeera to offer Al Qaeda's message, well, he wouldn't show up regularly on Al Jazeera for long.

Anyone could've set that up; still no proof of the date. The US has the proof at their fingertips but refuses to release it. Why?

I think this has been discussed adequately in the media, but my quick and oversimple summary: The Administration has to walk a line among 1.) the public's "need" for "proof" (both in quotes for reasons), 2.) the ramifications of releasing material that may further inflame issues, thus endangering troops and ongoing and future ops, and 3.) allowing releases of material that may make it easier to depict Bin Laden as a martyr.

There will always be conspiracy theorists who cannot be reached by evidence or dupe themselves into seeing patterns where there are none. Powers of willful belief and willful disbelief are strong. Consider ghost-hunting enthusiasts, 9/11 "truthers", "birthers", etc. They could heft the bloody head of Bin Laden and toss it around for every conspiracy nut to see, and they'd still deny it's real -- much like the scene with the decapitated director in "Tropic Thunder". This Administration has learned the power of disbelief in the face of evidence having addressed the whole "birther" nonsense. That they've learned there's little value in bowing to the demands of the conspiracy-minded isn't surprising.

There are doubtless ongoing operations with folks in the field, infiltrating Al Qaeda at some level as we speak. There are folks acting immediately as the "treasure trove" of data that was found with Bin Laden is being analyzed. A certain amount of disruption emerges naturally from Bin Laden's death, but it needn't be increased or made more complex by graphic releases that will inevitably spark more unrest.

If he was offered some Muslim ritual before being disposed of in the sea, this is also not something we want depicted, because it validates him as a Muslim. Even though we may say and indeed, we may offer this respect even to an ignominious foe, it is in our best interests to maintain a distinction between him as a cult leader who perverts Islam and the majority of Muslims who are peace-loving people of faith.

 

[kis123]

I don't know precisely how receptive terrorist agencies are to the concept of "constructive criticism", but you're welcome to try to pass that along. That said, I think the fact that every member of said organization is wanted for information that can be used to destroy it necessitates its current mode of communication. If they had a "spokesperson" that showed up regularly on Al Jazeera to offer Al Qaeda's message, well, he wouldn't show up regularly on Al Jazeera for long.


I think this has been discussed adequately in the media, but my quick and oversimple summary: The Administration has to walk a line among 1.) the public's "need" for "proof" (both in quotes for reasons), 2.) the ramifications of releasing material that may further inflame issues, thus endangering troops and ongoing and future ops, and 3.) allowing releases of material that may make it easier to depict Bin Laden as a martyr.

There will always be conspiracy theorists who cannot be reached by evidence or dupe themselves into seeing patterns where there are none. Powers of willful belief and willful disbelief are strong. Consider ghost-hunting enthusiasts, 9/11 "truthers", "birthers", etc. They could heft the bloody head of Bin Laden and toss it around for every conspiracy nut to see, and they'd still deny it's real -- much like the scene with the decapitated director in "Tropic Thunder". This Administration has learned the power of disbelief in the face of evidence having addressed the whole "birther" nonsense. That they've learned there's little value in bowing to the demands of the conspiracy-minded isn't surprising.

There are doubtless ongoing operations with folks in the field, infiltrating Al Qaeda at some level as we speak. There are folks acting immediately as the "treasure trove" of data that was found with Bin Laden is being analyzed. A certain amount of disruption emerges naturally from Bin Laden's death, but it needn't be increased or made more complex by graphic releases that will inevitably spark more unrest.

If he was offered some Muslim ritual before being disposed of in the sea, this is also not something we want depicted, because it validates him as a Muslim. Even though we may say and indeed, we may offer this respect even to an ignominious foe, it is in our best interests to maintain a distinction between him as a cult leader who perverts Islam and the majority of Muslims who are peace-loving people of faith.

Sounds plausible.......however.....

Anyone want a stab at this?:

http://www.bookwormroom.com/2011/05/04/the-obama-administrations-cloud-of-confusion-explained/

Or this?:

http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/05/n...ility-in-white-house-osama-bin-laden-“story”/

Or even this?:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Worl...ries-proof-bin-ladens-death/story?id=13508746

I'll just stop here for the sake of time and space. Why create a situation where there are more questions than answers?

 

[DontAskJusTckle]

I don't need photos. There's plenty of evidence to convince any rational individual. Hell, even Al Qaeda admits Bin Laden was killed. If that's not enough to convince somebody, then it's unlikely that even photos or video would convince them.

Let them flounder in their their little world.

 

[kis123]

I don't need photos. There's plenty of evidence to convince any rational individual. Hell, even Al Qaeda admits Bin Laden was killed. If that's not enough to convince somebody, then it's unlikely that even photos or video would convince them.

Well since you either overlooked or ignored my last post, here you go because you're so smart and enlightened. I'm sure you can answer this:


http://www.bookwormroom.com/2011/05/...ion-explained/

Or this?:

http://www.uncoverage.net/2011/05/no...tory”/

Or even this?:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/World...ry?id=13508746

Let them flounder in their their little world.

Stay asleep and remain a sheep.

 

[primetime]

Let me get this straight. This thread keeps going because Kis doesn't want to believe what happened in Pakistan was real. My first question is, does it matter that Bin Laden was killed last Sunday or 5 years ago? Seriously, why are you hellbent on asking for proof of his death? What benefit will you derive from attempting to prove Bin laden died 5 years ago?

As for Bin Laden hiding in Pakistan. The man was not stupid. He knows how to hide. We were looking in caves. Not cities. Bin Laden's followers kept him under wraps. It wasn't like Bin Laden was outside barbecuing and having parties. He was a prisoner inside his own home. What would you rather do? Live in a cave where the American military is looking, or live in a home in a city and some members of the Pakistan government is helping you?

Al-Qaida has confirmed his death. Why would they confirm it now? Wouldn't they love to prove America wrong?

No matter how you slice it Kis, Osama is dead. Why are you so focused on seeing pictures? It would make you feel better to see Bin Laden's body? You are so worked up over Bin Laden being killed than you were over Lebron leaving Cleveland. Neither event will affect your daily life. Why the passion?

 

[kis123]

Let me get this straight. This thread keeps going because Kis doesn't want to believe what happened in Pakistan was real. My first question is, does it matter that Bin Laden was killed last Sunday or 5 years ago? Seriously, why are you hellbent on asking for proof of his death? What benefit will you derive from attempting to prove Bin laden died 5 years ago?

As for Bin Laden hiding in Pakistan. The man was not stupid. He knows how to hide. We were looking in caves. Not cities. Bin Laden's followers kept him under wraps. It wasn't like Bin Laden was outside barbecuing and having parties. He was a prisoner inside his own home. What would you rather do? Live in a cave where the American military is looking, or live in a home in a city and some members of the Pakistan government is helping you?

Al-Qaida has confirmed his death. Why would they confirm it now? Wouldn't they love to prove America wrong?

No matter how you slice it Kis, Osama is dead. Why are you so focused on seeing pictures? It would make you feel better to see Bin Laden's body? You are so worked up over Bin Laden being killed than you were over Lebron leaving Cleveland. Neither event will affect your daily life. Why the passion?

Because the US government is corrupt....that's why. And they're a pack of liars to boot.

No matter how you slice it, the government is lying and covering up something. Why didn't they release proof? Don't give me the excuses that they were concerned about the barbaric content; the local news shows barbaric content every single day. Don't give me the excuse about Muslim sentiment......they don't give a damn how the Muslims feel. Don't give me the excuse about retaliation...they knew when they went in that possibility existed and they did it anyway.

I can go on with this forever but I might get bored with it at some point. And I've never been one to care what anyone thought about me and I'm not going to start now. If you or anyone else around here doesn't like it, you can refer to user cp and put me on ignore because I'm going to keep asking the questions no one else wants to hear or deal with. Sling the insults and keep the name calling coming. None of it has anything to do with the inconsistencies in the stories coming out of Washington.

And by the way, I never really did give a damn about LeBron leaving Cleveland; why is that even a topic of discussion in the P&R forum? Oh, wait, it's you making yet another stupid sports dig. It's old and tired primetime...find some more material for crying out loud!

 

[U.N.Owen]

So al-Qaeda announces today that Bin Laden has been killed, and blames the Sunday US raid.

But he's actually been dead for years, and al-Qaeda is just admitting it now... what, to help out Obama? Because they never noticed before?

But seriously, why even try to make a rational case here? Conspiracy theorists always respond to evidence by smirking that everyone else is "naive" about the all-powerful, all-lying government conspirators... and of course, they sneer that other people reject the conspiracy crap because they "can't handle the truth." After all, the deluded masses don't have the incredible, penetrating brilliance and courage of the conspiracy mongers.

Maybe we should all stop feeding the trolls and let this one-man circus die? I, for one, ain't coming back to this thread.

 

[SpiffyTickler]

So al-Qaeda announces today that Bin Laden has been killed, and blames the Sunday US raid.

But he's actually been dead for years, and al-Qaeda is just admitting it now... what, to help out Obama? Because they never noticed before?

But seriously, why even try to make a rational case here? Conspiracy theorists always respond to evidence by smirking that everyone else is "naive" about the all-powerful, all-lying government conspirators... and of course, they sneer that other people reject the conspiracy crap because they "can't handle the truth." After all, the deluded masses don't have the incredible, penetrating brilliance and courage of the conspiracy mongers.

Maybe we should all stop feeding the trolls and let this one-man circus die? I, for one, ain't coming back to this thread.

I think she's saying that the Al-Qaeda announcement was actually by a government agent.

Not that it makes the argument any less ridiculous (quite the opposite in fact). Kis's entire premise breaks apart in multiple places, but especially where it requires Al-Qaeda to have not publicly reacted at all when Osama was apparently secretly killed years earlier.

It's amazing the mental gymnastics people will go through to hold to a conspiracy theory.

 

[Jagermeistered]

I have nothing against anybody here, but it's time too end this thread...

 

[primetime]

Because the US government is corrupt....that's why. And they're a pack of liars to boot.

No matter how you slice it, the government is lying and covering up something. Why didn't they release proof? Don't give me the excuses that they were concerned about the barbaric content; the local news shows barbaric content every single day. Don't give me the excuse about Muslim sentiment......they don't give a damn how the Muslims feel. Don't give me the excuse about retaliation...they knew when they went in that possibility existed and they did it anyway.

I can go on with this forever but I might get bored with it at some point. And I've never been one to care what anyone thought about me and I'm not going to start now. If you or anyone else around here doesn't like it, you can refer to user cp and put me on ignore because I'm going to keep asking the questions no one else wants to hear or deal with. Sling the insults and keep the name calling coming. None of it has anything to do with the inconsistencies in the stories coming out of Washington.

And by the way, I never really did give a damn about LeBron leaving Cleveland; why is that even a topic of discussion in the P&R forum? Oh, wait, it's you making yet another stupid sports dig. It's old and tired primetime...find some more material for crying out loud!

You know why I made the Lebron dig? Because for a die-hard Cleveland fan that you are, you sure didn't say anything when Lebron left. You have shown tremendous passion whenever Cleveland is mentioned. You have shown passion for the Cavs when Lebron played there. Yeah, you did. I remember when they went to the 2007 Finals. You were screaming "Witness!" on this very forum. Yet he leaves and you are quiet as a church mouse. Now we get to Osama Bin Laden. For some oddball reason, you have shown so much passion and spirit over a man who has no affect on your daily life.

Tell me Kis, WHY would the government lie about shooting and killing Bin Laden NOW and not 5 years ago when Bush was in office? You don't think Bush would have loved to state Bin Laden was dead? And WHY would Al-Qaida acknowledge the death NOW and not years ago? Couldn't they just say "Bin Laden died 5 years ago! Obama is lying!". No, they haven't.

But despite this logic, you are blaming the US government of some kind of conspiracy. Think about it. If Obama really wanted to divert attention away from the economy, he would have said Bin Laden was killed in 2012 the ELECTION YEAR. What purpose would he have to say it now and have Al-Qaida acknowledge it?

Why are you so worked up about Osama Bin Laden dying now and not 5 years ago? It makes no sense for you to have this passion for something YOU CAN'T PROVE. Oh yeah, we didn't go to Iraq for oil. If we did, gasoline wouldn't be over $4 a gallon now would it?

 

[Capnmad]

I'll just stop here for the sake of time and space. Why create a situation where there are more questions than answers?

In any situation where there is a rush made to get information out, inaccuracies will happen, the story will evolve, and mistakes will need to be remedied. In the moments after the first plane flew into the WTC, there were stories of a fire that got out of control, a bomb, a small plane, and a large plane. Only one of those was the cause. That cause was made clear as cameras were trained on the buildings when the second one went in.

You find similar inaccuracies and changes in stories in many situations. For a while, when I was a true news junkie, I had a system on this -- I had one site that I found had the news out earlier than other sources, but you couldn't count on its accuracy. Another site would wind up having the news later, but with more reliable facts. Til both got the story settled down to a fair degree of accuracy would take from hours to days after the story broke, in part depending on the extremity of the event (at least according to what I perceived).

That there are some inconsistencies in between initial reports and those more recent is, for me, entirely expected.

 

[kis123]

In any situation where there is a rush made to get information out, inaccuracies will happen, the story will evolve, and mistakes will need to be remedied. In the moments after the first plane flew into the WTC, there were stories of a fire that got out of control, a bomb, a small plane, and a large plane. Only one of those was the cause. That cause was made clear as cameras were trained on the buildings when the second one went in.

You find similar inaccuracies and changes in stories in many situations. For a while, when I was a true news junkie, I had a system on this -- I had one site that I found had the news out earlier than other sources, but you couldn't count on its accuracy. Another site would wind up having the news later, but with more reliable facts. Til both got the story settled down to a fair degree of accuracy would take from hours to days after the story broke, in part depending on the extremity of the event (at least according to what I perceived).

That there are some inconsistencies in between initial reports and those more recent is, for me, entirely expected.

Well if all the backtracking and cleanup aren't enough, Obama will be on 60 minutes this Sunday to plug in all the holes and gaps. No proof or physical evidence, but gosh darn it, he is one helluva good speaker....

Well maybe...........

 

[kis123]

You know why I made the Lebron dig? Because for a die-hard Cleveland fan that you are, you sure didn't say anything when Lebron left. You have shown tremendous passion whenever Cleveland is mentioned. You have shown passion for the Cavs when Lebron played there. Yeah, you did. I remember when they went to the 2007 Finals. You were screaming "Witness!" on this very forum. Yet he leaves and you are quiet as a church mouse. Now we get to Osama Bin Laden. For some oddball reason, you have shown so much passion and spirit over a man who has no affect on your daily life.

LeBron has no effect on my daily life either. I didn't make a dollar as the result of him being here. He was a free agent and was free to leave; he didn't have to do it in the manner he did, but he had the right to leave. Now can we move on? LeBron is with another team now and it's way over and done. And it has NOTHING to do with this issue at all; just another distraction.

Tell me Kis, WHY would the government lie about shooting and killing Bin Laden NOW and not 5 years ago when Bush was in office? You don't think Bush would have loved to state Bin Laden was dead? And WHY would Al-Qaida acknowledge the death NOW and not years ago? Couldn't they just say "Bin Laden died 5 years ago! Obama is lying!". No, they haven't.

But despite this logic, you are blaming the US government of some kind of conspiracy. Think about it. If Obama really wanted to divert attention away from the economy, he would have said Bin Laden was killed in 2012 the ELECTION YEAR. What purpose would he have to say it now and have Al-Qaida acknowledge it?

I've stated my reasons repeatedly and that's it. I haven't changed my stance on the matter no matter how many of you have tried. And I have no intention of changing my stance either.

What government does has a lot to do with my life. I'd like to believe that our government isn't corrupt and wouldn't lie and cover up scandal. Based on how all this went down, I simply cannot claim that anymore. It's not like I ever trusted government in the first place; politicians are doing just enough to keep their job and they really don't care about their constituents. But this is ridiculous and no matter how blindly some choose to walk I can't do it. Better yet, I won't do it; I'm long past the point of no return on it.

Why are you so worked up about Osama Bin Laden dying now and not 5 years ago? It makes no sense for you to have this passion for something YOU CAN'T PROVE. Oh yeah, we didn't go to Iraq for oil. If we did, gasoline wouldn't be over $4 a gallon now would it?

It makes no sense to you? It's not my purpose in life to make sense to you or anyone else. There's something rotten at work here; why brag about the man being killed and not produce one photo or video of your success? Not one?

You cannot prove that I'm wrong either can you? Worked up? Are you serious?? This is nothing!

And the US is no longer in Iraq and they didn't anticipate the mess that went off in Egypt, Bahrain, or Libya. That's when gas prices ballooned over civil unrest. Yes, US was sent to do war in Iraq to finish the Bush family's job of getting rid of Saddam and protecting their oil interests. Rather pay $4 a gallon than not to have oil at all right?

There's terror all over the world so why did Iraq get so much attention? Why didn't we go fight terror in Darfur or Sierra Leone? Plenty of terror taking place there but no real US presence? If terror was all that motivated the war on Iraq, there is plenty of terror to send troops to.

Look, it just doesn't add up; what's with all the secrecy, the quick disposal of the body and the refusal to show any evidence what they said actually happened the way they said it?

Allow me my opinion; it's my right to have it just as it is for you to have yours. But for the record, I'm not moving off my porch on this one; can't close my eyes and be oblivious to this.....I just can't.

 

[goddess_nemesis]

What government does has a lot to do with my life. I'd like to believe that our government isn't corrupt and wouldn't lie and cover up scandal. Based on how all this went down, I simply cannot claim that anymore. It's not like I ever trusted government in the first place; politicians are doing just enough to keep their job and they really don't care about their constituents. But this is ridiculous and no matter how blindly some choose to walk I can't do it. Better yet, I won't do it; I'm long past the point of no return on it.

The government is corrupt. Politicians do lie and cover up scandals. It's one thing to lie about the taxes they promise to cut/raise or the "changes" they promise to make while in office or cover up a scandalous affair, but it's a completely different thing to lie, to cover up the death of the world's most wanted terrorist.

The government has nothing to gain from a lie this huge. Too many people know; you can't keep a secret this big with that many people. If bin Laden died years ago, then al-Qaeda would not have waited until now to announce his death. They would've announced it when it happened. They would announce to the world now that the US is lying. They have nothing to gain from confirming that the US government (their enemy) had killed bin Laden.

 

[DianaBanana88]

The last I heard was he MIGHT release pics of him but not sure. I understand why people wanna see them though since its hard to trust. I really really wanna believe it and deep down I do buuuuuut seeing some evidence would give us all...closure. Guess we all gotta just wait lol

 

[natural tickler]

And I think that's the problem with society today...people always wanna see tangible evidence...as if to suggest the reporting of such news isn't enough....we live in a world of conspiracy theorists, and that's a shame...anyone who reports things these days always has to endure the scrutiny to always prove whatever reported as if word of mouth isn't enough


Kis, the man is dead. Get over it. Justice is served.

 

[primetime]

Kis, you keep railing against the corrupt government, but you overlook one major event. Al-Qaida themselves have acknowledged Bin Laden's death. If there was ever a time to make the United States look like liars, that was the time for them to say "He's still alive!" or "he died years ago!".

Please, explain to me how Al-Qaida is in on this conspiracy you claim the US government is doing.

 

[Dave Pavet]

Hey Spiffy... Happy Mothers Day

 

[kis123]

The government is corrupt. Politicians do lie and cover up scandals. It's one thing to lie about the taxes they promise to cut/raise or the "changes" they promise to make while in office or cover up a scandalous affair, but it's a completely different thing to lie, to cover up the death of the world's most wanted terrorist.

The government has nothing to gain from a lie this huge. Too many people know; you can't keep a secret this big with that many people. If bin Laden died years ago, then al-Qaeda would not have waited until now to announce his death. They would've announced it when it happened. They would announce to the world now that the US is lying. They have nothing to gain from confirming that the US government (their enemy) had killed bin Laden.

Your approach is incredibly logical; and if we were dealing with logical rational people you'd be absolutely correct. But we're not; we're dealing with little more than sociopaths with huge god complex and they worship in the control factor.

The man was allegedly in hiding for five years; who even knows if Al-Quaeda knew where he was? No one can confirm that and now.....well thanks to the US government, one can only speculate.

And for ALL of you who've asked for the incentive for Al-Quaeda to go along with this farce.....it's very simple. We do it with drug dealers and criminals all the time; your cooperation for an occasional free pass. A blind eye and deaf ear turn every once in awhile goes a long way when you're a criminal. One filthy hand washing the other..........

 

[kis123]

And I think that's the problem with society today...people always wanna see tangible evidence...as if to suggest the reporting of such news isn't enough....we live in a world of conspiracy theorists, and that's a shame...anyone who reports things these days always has to endure the scrutiny to always prove whatever reported as if word of mouth isn't enough


Kis, the man is dead. Get over it. Justice is served.

Never said the man wasn't dead; don't know where you're getting that. Did he die last Sunday in the manner the government described? Do you really know that as fact? No you don't; it's way easier to accept than to ask them for the proof right?

No, you need to get over the fact that I'm not buying it. You need to realize that I am just as entitled to my beliefs and opinions as you. You don't have to like it, you don't even have to accept or respect it-it's glaringly obvious that you don't. But it is what it is and just because it doesn't line up with the masses doesn't mean it isn't valid. It should only mean that it remarkably differs from yours.

Now go get over that.

And justice is never served when the truth is covered up, regardless of the excuses.

 

[Wolf]

Deathers equals Birthers minus Racism

But it pretty much shakes out the same. We Will Not Be Silenced, no matter what, etc etc etc....

The analogy of cutting deals with mob bosses and drug dealers is fallacious.
In those cases, there's always someone bigger, someone badder that's being pursued. In this case, OBL was the biggest, the baddest. Who was he going to flip on? And there's no way this administration would take the chance of being taken down by such a deal. No one who's smart enough to engineer such a conspiracy would be so foolish as to take such a risk.
But in a conspiracy theorist's mind, the conspirators can be both brilliant and corrupt enough to engineer a global cover-up, and foolish and illogical enough not to consider the consequences.

At some point (in this case, the point where Al-Qaeda admitted he was dead), the conspiracy theory becomes less about the conspiracy, and more about the conspiracy theorist, and their motivations to continue their outrage.

The goalposts move from "There's no proof! Show me proof!!" to "Why was the proof so late in coming? What were they hiding??". Sound familiar? It happened a few weeks ago, too.

Proof, as the theorist calls it, can never and will never be provided to their satisfaction. Because their definition of proof changes to suit their desires. The proof is whatever the theorist believes can't or won't be shown: a long form Birth Certificate (forgery!), confirmation from a terrorist's own group (lies!). No matter what is shown, something is being hidden. Otherwise, they'd have to shut up about it.
And they make it clear, that's just not going to happen.

 

[Barney Stubble]

Well said, Wolf. I agree with most of it. Not sure how you are getting racism from birthers, though. To me, that's right up there with the other wackos. But you're spot on about the conspiracy theorists.

 

[Jagermeistered]

I'm dizzy...