Why do people not like police?

[SlaverTickler]

First of all I started that coment with MOST, and next...

Middle class white males who don't get racial profiled can go "elts where " since they have no idea what it is like to live in brown skin everyday.........

...I think you just profiled me with that comment.

Here is how I see it. If I shaved my head and put red laces in a pair of doc Martins you would think I was a skin head. If I ran around in a white sheet you would think I was a member of the 3K club. I am not, but you would think that right, and well you should because I would be a dumb fuck to do so. So if you dress like a dirt bag low life you get treated like a dirt bag low life (and I am not saying you are Kis cause I know your not).

PART of the problem the cops deal with. If an APP comes out for a tall black male with a medum build and shaved or bald head what are they suposed to do. You can't through a rock down the street in a black neighborhood without hitting 50 guys who looks like that. If you dress like the thugs you see in the movies or music vids, with the baggy pants (used to conseal sawd of shot guns, pistols, and big knives quite often) and have those ugly grills in your mouth then people are going to think your a thug. Cops are people, and they can only go by what they are told in a discription. The term "Racial Profiling" is used by Civil Rights Profitiers like Sharpton and Jackson, who wouldn't have anything going on if people like you and me were to all just sit down and have lunch together in peace.

I'm sure you don't think all white cops are bad. I don't think all of anything is bad or good. Did you notice the part where I said my dads friends from high school got there ass's handed to them by cops once and a while. As for profiling, how about an Irish Cathlic who couldn't get a jon for a long time because he lived in an Orangmen's (WASP) neighborhood, that would be my mothers father by the way. I also know a guy (same trade as me) Canadian born, English father, who was shit on by some Irish Catholic prick because of his last name.

Quite frankly Kis my personal experiences with black people have taught me that they are just as (if not more so) racist then anybody elts. I had a friend of 3 years turn on me because I had an altercation with a "fellow Jamacan" who kept calling me a batty boy (he wasn't so brave when, in the parking lot on his way to his car, I got in his face). It's also been more then once when I have heard a group of black youths making fun of another because his skin is either darker or lighter then the members of the kliq he is with. I've had plenty of altercations with guys who thought they could push around or intmindate this fat little white boy, what a mistake that was. So don't play this sob story bs with me. I'm sorry that the Police didn't handle your situations properly, but if they go out there and nail somebody for something what happens the comunity comes out, screams excessive force, and some dude gets fucked up with an investigation, so can you really blame them.

Sorry this took so long, and for what I am sure are many spelling errors. It's just that in a world where people will set a building on fire so they can shoot at the firemen it's hard for me not to be deffencive to a dagree. I didn't say anything to try and offend you or anybody elts Kis, I was just expressing a view from where I sit.

 

[ticklishasgrl]

I dont dislike ALL cops only the ones that do the crimes, the good cops I think do a great job.

The good cops save lifes and catch the bad guys and etc. I dont have a problem with the cops. Quite a few people have been defending the police lately it is because they know that not all cops are bad but there seem to be people out there that think all cops are bad and so they dont trust any cop even the good cops and when they get the speeding ticket they blame the cop instead of themselves for getting the ticket.

I have gotten a speeding ticket, I was more annoyed at myself than at the cop that gave me the ticket, I went over the speed limit so I deserved a speeding ticket, I dont like to break the law and will continue to praise the good cops for all the good things they do.

Some cops are bad, do mistakes but there are cops out there that do their job.

 

[ViperGTS]

Maybe the cops have a reason to 'profile' you according to your race.

According to July 1st 200 Census report, the United States is populated by 211,460,626 'white' people and 34,658,190 'black' people, which makes up 75.1% and 12.3% of the population respectively. And I am sure that 12.3 percent of the population was a little lower ten years ago in 1997, when 37.8% of the people in jails nation wide were black.

Ya think there might be some kind of correlation here or what? You can't argue with the numbers.

 

[Dave2112]

I don't hate cops at all. Most of the things folks are talking about here are personal bad experiences, or specific "bad cops". Every profession that involes someone in a position of authority has the potential for corruption. There's bad seeds in all of them. Politicians, doctors, lawyers, judges, CEO's...the police are not immune.

But, you have to look at the profession in general. These guys put their lives on the line every time they answer a call. You pull over a guy for speeding. Was he just speeding? Does he have drugs? A gun? Is he going to cooperate or run? If he runs, is it an area where he could hurt innocent people?

Multiply that a hundred times a month. And that's just traffic stops. You know how many cops wind up getting hurt resonding to domestic disputes? Then, of course, are the calls for the big stuff. And through it all, you've got that knowledge that you're getting paid less for it than the guy who holds the flag during road construction.

I've noticed in my time on this Earth that many of the stories of "bad cops" are the local ones. The small town police who get big heads with their position. This is the sterotype that most people like to cling to. It really ruins it for those officers who do their job faithfully and with pride. The State Police have a barracks a couple of towns over from where I work. I work right on the US/Canadian border, and there are issues every day. I've called them more times than I can count for one thing or another. Even when a potential situation turns out to be nothing, I've never gotten an attitude of "Well, that was a waste of time!" from a single one. Usually, it's "Don't hesitate to call us if you need to."

Law enforcement is an important, and often thankless job in our society. There are those who would break the rules just to hurt you, take your stuff...or worse. I hear it all the time from the more "yokel" types around where I live. "Goddamn cop pulled me over!" "Goddman cop got in my face!" Yeah..it's because you were speeding through town...it's because you were starting a bar fight with people who wanted to be left alone. You deserved it and I hope it happens every time you think you don't have to play like everyone else.

I've had my bad experiences. When I lived in Torrance, CA. I got jacked onto the hood of a police car because I was walking to work in a nice Torrance neighborhod wearing a denim jacket and long hair at 5 am. Think I was happy about that? Of course not. But am I gonna base my entire opinion of the police force on that? No. Ok, these two particular cops were assholes. How do I know they weren't just finishing up a shift where they made two drug busts in the area? Maybe they had it out with guys just like what I looked like? I don't know. It's no excuse to do what they did, but in hindsight and with age and wisdom, you have to put these things into perspective. It's a dangerous world out there and as much as the tough-talkers would like to puff up and say "We don't need no stinkin' cops!", I'd hate to see a world without them.

 

[kis123]

Maybe the cops have a reason to 'profile' you according to your race.

According to July 1st 200 Census report, the United States is populated by 211,460,626 'white' people and 34,658,190 'black' people, which makes up 75.1% and 12.3% of the population respectively. And I am sure that 12.3 percent of the population was a little lower ten years ago in 1997, when 37.8% of the people in jails nation wide were black.

Ya think there might be some kind of correlation here or what? You can't argue with the numbers.

Yeah, your absolutely right; no white people commit crimes right? Just the black and brown! If you don't know the real damage racial profiling and racism really cause, you can keep the statistical commentaries to yourself, thank you very much!!

Maybe with all the crime rich white people get away with, they should start profiling YOUR RACE!!!! Should I start a list or can we just use our memories and imaginations??😡

You don't want us pulling the "race card"?? Good, stop pulling it and maybe we'll do the same!

Come to think of it, beyond your statistics (developed by whites), you have no point of reference for your comments. You're young, white, and male-you're considered at the top of America's pecking order! You have no idea because it isn't and it'll never be YOU! Call me when people start crossing the street just because of the color of your skin. Call me when you get stopped and harrassed simply because of the color of your skin. Maybe then you won't be so frivilous with your statistics and commentary.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Maybe the cops have a reason to 'profile' you according to your race.

According to July 1st 200 Census report, the United States is populated by 211,460,626 'white' people and 34,658,190 'black' people, which makes up 75.1% and 12.3% of the population respectively. And I am sure that 12.3 percent of the population was a little lower ten years ago in 1997, when 37.8% of the people in jails nation wide were black.

Ya think there might be some kind of correlation here or what? You can't argue with the numbers.

It could also be the fact that black people generally get stiffer sentences then white people for the same crime. And black people are more likely to serve time then white people for the same crimes as well.

 

[Amnesiac]

With EXTREMELY few exceptions, I fucking HATE cops. I've never had bad experiences with them, and the few times I've been pulled over, the officers in question were very polite and professional. And I do agree with most of the posts defending them on account of how necessary they are to maintain the peace and stability of society: they have a VERY hard job to do and are underappreciated and underpaid for what they do.

But I don't fucking trust them a single solitary inch.

I don't trust anybody with the power to restrain me and lock me up in a room with other dangerous people that I have no right to kill in order to protect myself. I don't trust anybody with the power to kill me if they perceive me as a threat even if I'm trying not to be. Granted I don't trust people in general, but I especially don't trust people with weapons, even if they ARE local authority.

When I was pulled over and ticketed for pulling a California stop (which I wasn't even aware I was doing, I thought I stopped enough), the officers approached me from both sides of my vehicle with hands on their sidearms. I cooperated, they were polite but firm, and didn't give me any attitude, and I didn't give them any. And given that every traffic stop could be dangerous, I understand why they did what they did.

But I don't like people flanking me. I don't like being surrounded, and I don't like not being able to do anything about it. In another situation where that occurred, I would have whirled, drew my knife, and demanded an explanation about why they were getting so close to me or following me. Granted, 2 on 1 usually ends up bad for the 1, but I would do my damndest to take them with me.

My father was a judiciary and the one thing he taught me about cops was that if you ever get stopped or arrested by the cops--even if you didn't actually do anything--was to SHUT THE FUCK UP; lawyer up right away and keep quiet until they show up. Because the cops are sneaky, underhanded, malicious fucks who will use every trick in the book to get whatever they can on you to make it look good.

I would also agree with Red Jester that the cops have TOO MANY things to do and that they get the bad rap for enforcing the laws that other people make. They have to respond to everything from terrorist threats to loud music and that spectrum is gigantic. How can you expect these guys to do this job and not start getting paranoid and strung out? We need to make the laws necessary, not maintainance, so its not such a hassle for everyone involved.

Since I don't know how to fight, and wouldn't be in good enough shape to do it right even if I did, my first instinct at trouble is to run/hide. My second instinct is to go for the kill, no hesitation. No, I'm not a bad-ass but I'm not someone who wants to look over my shoudler the rest of my life wondering if somebody I beat in a fight is following me, and that is something very real. Dead people can't come after you. Unfortunately, the law says you can't do that and guess who they're gonna send to deal with you? Hence, one of many reasons why I fucking HATE cops.

Remember JimmyBoy's post about smoking on the train platform? It's one thing if you're knowingly doing something illegal or something illegal of note. But to have an armed person with the ability to take away your freedom and devastate your fledgling financial stability right out of the blue without warning at any given moment for the smallest thing?

That makes me nervous.

 

[ViperGTS]

Yeah, your absolutely right; no white people commit crimes right? Just the black and brown! If you don't know the real damage racial profiling and racism really cause, you can keep the statistical commentaries to yourself, thank you very much!!

Maybe with all the crime rich white people get away with, they should start profiling YOUR RACE!!!! Should I start a list or can we just use our memories and imaginations??😡

You don't want us pulling the "race card"?? Good, stop pulling it and maybe we'll do the same!

Come to think of it, beyond your statistics (developed by whites), you have no point of reference for your comments. You're young, white, and male-you're considered at the top of America's pecking order! You have no idea because it isn't and it'll never be YOU! Call me when people start crossing the street just because of the color of your skin. Call me when you get stopped and harrassed simply because of the color of your skin. Maybe then you won't be so frivilous with your statistics and commentary.

What are you, a Black Panther? After that I'm half expecting you to break into a "THE MAN IS GETTIN US DOWN WITH THEIR LAWS!" speech.

Did I say that no white people commit crimes? No, I did not, in fact, there's more white people in jail than there are blacks; almost twice as many, in fact! So don't hand me that "white people commit no crimes" bullshit, especially when you're going to complain about all the rich white people who commit crimes all the time. besides, I'm no angel myself. Arson, Larceny, Theft, Breaking and Entering, Terroristic Threats, they are all on my rap sheet. I'm not proud of it. But I've done time for some of them, and do you want to guess the race of the person in the cell next to me both times?

You got it.

Or maybe I should put it this way. What race do you think of when I mention the term "gangstas"? Or what about the term, "projects", in reference to lower income housing? Or maybe "gang related crime"?

Maybe society wouldn't profile if the poorly educated and financially unstable portions of this country's minorities would STOP FITTING THE FUCKING STEREOTYPES.

Walk into any convenience store in an urban area, or even the immediate suburbs, ESPECIALLY near either the east or west coasts. One will get you ten that the guy behind the counter is of middle eastern descent.

Go to Home Depot and look around the parking lot for guys who seem to be waiting for someone to call their name. You can put money on the fact that they are probably Hispanic or Latin.

Stereotypes and profiling happens because people won't stop filling the shoes. I keep a more watchful eye on the black kid in long shorts and a doo-rag than i do on the white kid on a skateboard because it's common sense.

But let me guess, that's because of the Man's influence, right?

 

[PainTrain]

What are you, a Black Panther? After that I'm half expecting you to break into a "THE MAN IS GETTIN US DOWN WITH THEIR LAWS!" speech.

Did I say that no white people commit crimes? No, I did not, in fact, there's more white people in jail than there are blacks; almost twice as many, in fact! So don't hand me that "white people commit no crimes" bullshit, especially when you're going to complain about all the rich white people who commit crimes all the time. besides, I'm no angel myself. Arson, Larceny, Theft, Breaking and Entering, Terroristic Threats, they are all on my rap sheet. I'm not proud of it. But I've done time for some of them, and do you want to guess the race of the person in the cell next to me both times?

You got it.

Or maybe I should put it this way. What race do you think of when I mention the term "gangstas"? Or what about the term, "projects", in reference to lower income housing? Or maybe "gang related crime"?

Maybe society wouldn't profile if the poorly educated and financially unstable portions of this country's minorities would STOP FITTING THE FUCKING STEREOTYPES.

Walk into any convenience store in an urban area, or even the immediate suburbs, ESPECIALLY near either the east or west coasts. One will get you ten that the guy behind the counter is of middle eastern descent.

Go to Home Depot and look around the parking lot for guys who seem to be waiting for someone to call their name. You can put money on the fact that they are probably Hispanic or Latin.

Stereotypes and profiling happens because people won't stop filling the shoes. I keep a more watchful eye on the black kid in long shorts and a doo-rag than i do on the white kid on a skateboard because it's common sense.

But let me guess, that's because of the Man's influence, right?

Brilliant post.

 

[kis123]

What are you, a Black Panther? After that I'm half expecting you to break into a "THE MAN IS GETTIN US DOWN WITH THEIR LAWS!" speech.

Did I say that no white people commit crimes? No, I did not, in fact, there's more white people in jail than there are blacks; almost twice as many, in fact! So don't hand me that "white people commit no crimes" bullshit, especially when you're going to complain about all the rich white people who commit crimes all the time. besides, I'm no angel myself. Arson, Larceny, Theft, Breaking and Entering, Terroristic Threats, they are all on my rap sheet. I'm not proud of it. But I've done time for some of them, and do you want to guess the race of the person in the cell next to me both times?

You got it.

Or maybe I should put it this way. What race do you think of when I mention the term "gangstas"? Or what about the term, "projects", in reference to lower income housing? Or maybe "gang related crime"?

Maybe society wouldn't profile if the poorly educated and financially unstable portions of this country's minorities would STOP FITTING THE FUCKING STEREOTYPES.

Walk into any convenience store in an urban area, or even the immediate suburbs, ESPECIALLY near either the east or west coasts. One will get you ten that the guy behind the counter is of middle eastern descent.

Go to Home Depot and look around the parking lot for guys who seem to be waiting for someone to call their name. You can put money on the fact that they are probably Hispanic or Latin.

Stereotypes and profiling happens because people won't stop filling the shoes. I keep a more watchful eye on the black kid in long shorts and a doo-rag than i do on the white kid on a skateboard because it's common sense.

But let me guess, that's because of the Man's influence, right?

As a matter of fact, yes!

You're not old enough to remember how times were prior to the 60s or how that has even influenced how things are today. You only see from young eyes after many people have put in the work to make your world a better place to live.

Common sense doesn't excuse racism or racial profile, it merely justifies it for those who make excuses for it.
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You can rant and rave all you want but you certainly have nothing on me my dear; I know from what POV I speak, and myself and my family live it every single day.

I personally could care less who you look out for because I know who to keep my eyes on and it's certainly not BLACK PEOPLE!!

And a stereotype is exactly what it is a stereotype; not EVERYONE FITS YOUR SO-CALLED MOLD!!! Those who think so are SIMPLY IGNORANT and refuse to see past what's on tv, what's going on at the convenience store, and anywhere else. There are MANY of us who are about the business of life and living; how about us Viper?? Just stick to your stereotypes and statistics and I'll keep living my life as I choose and deserve to. The difference is I don't lump all whites into one category. I'm mature enough to realize that not all whites are racist. But I also realize that many whites have their stereotypes and can only rely on them to judge others. You know the core of pre-jud-ice! Racial profiling only keeps the stereotypes going; now everyone's a gangsta, even the doctor who can afford the BMW he got stopped in! Even the businessman who gets harrassed because he drove into the wrong neighborhood.

You know little of what you speak!

Oh, and another thing.....

There are plenty of white, whigger wannabees who are out there doing the same thing, but they don't get counted in the mix the same as whites. When whites dismiss other whites for being hillbillies, or so-called white trash, they get omitted from the statistical equations because whites don't even consider them white. Now that's something else you don't know about, but I'm very familiar with, thank you very much!

And the "black panther" comment was totally uncalled for; but then again, you're merely showing yourself and what you really think. Then again, would you prefer I'd be a panther of the 60s who marched beside Dr King, or would you prefer that I'd be one of the 70s? Then again, you don't know the difference or the truth; you only know what someone told you, right?

 

[kis123]

Brilliant post.

And what perspective are you looking from?? Are you even in America?? Do you even know about the struggle?? Probably not! But that's okay, you're entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to thoroughly disagree with it.

Come live in my neighborhood for a week, and if you still think that post was "brilliant", I'll pay you my next year's salary. It's a good bet for me since you wouldn't make it past a day or two.😡

 

[kis123]

You know what?? Since I'm old enough to be both of yours mother, I'm going to gracefully bow out of this interesting conversation. It's better that way before I start going old school and you'll be without any real reference point.

As far as my opinion on police are concerned.......

I don't think all white cops are racist, but I don't want to have to find out who's who, if you know what I mean. I wish they'd just do the job they CHOSE to do; serve and protect without PREJUDICE!! There are many who do, and those that DO NOT!!

And, racial profiling is NEVER justifiable in my eyes. It's just acceptable racism; learn to realize that not everyone falls under the profile. Actually, most are just about the business of living and could really care less.

 

[NYvice]

A few things...

After reviewing the thread briefly, maybe I can add a few things to try and dispel some of the angst here.

Any time there are people entrusted with the power to control another, there will be people who fear or despise that power--its human nature. In this field, there is often good reason that people feel the way they do about the police, but it is usually based upon negative direct or transferred personal experience since that is most often why an officer would be having contact with you--to enforce the law. Think about it. How often do civilians get the chance to have coffee with a cop, ask him how things are, talk to him or her like a regular person instead of someone in authority? Not often. The job of the police is VERY broadly to "protect and serve". In order to do so, things have to be kept in line...24-7. Most civilians will tell you that the officers they have met in responding to a call for something positive rather than negative (i.e. when someone needs help and the police respond versus them responding to a crime) weren't your typical power obsessed jerk. Depending on the type of situation that they are called to, an officer's response will vary greatly on the spectrum from being very cautious, over-assertive, and "cold", to situations where they are able to let their guard down a bit more and be less overbearing. The opportunities afforded to people in this field to do the latter are far and few when on duty. In order to not write a book on this, let me elucidate a few more quick points:

1. The field of law enforcement (especially local police) needs to raise their education requirements in order to better filter out the element that people complain about the most: the police being "assholes", or not using common sense, or not helping in the way that others think they should. Not that all people who only completed high school are bad apples, or even the majority of them. What I mean to say is that if higher education thresholds are met, I think you will have a more educated, more readily helpful force, with people who will actually consider how to properly use the training they are given and to avoid the pitfalls of being in a position of (temporary) absolute power and control.

2. The police ARE here to help, regardless of what many people think--it's just that the variety of duties they handle are so numerous that the more helpful duties are often eclipsed by the sheer volume and negativity of the less impressive and distasteful duties like traffic enforcement, searches and seizures, etc. How often do you see a cop writing a citation? All the time. How often do you see them helping someone find a runaway child, or pulling someone from a flaming vehicle and reviving them via CPR? Almost never. Thus, the negative aspect of policing are surely more obvious to you all then the positive. This fosters not only a skepticism of how useful the police actually are, and often causes the misinterpretation that officers are lazy or a waste of tax dollars. Believe me, if you think a cop enjoys standing in an intersection directing traffic all day, I can assure you, he probably would much rather be searching for a missing person or teaching D.A.R.E. to secondary school students. Officers are humans too, remember that.

2a. On the HUMAN thing...There are also, regrettably, a very good portion of officers who don't do their job properly, enjoy the power trip, and abuse the fragile trust placed in their hands by society. I'll tell you, from experience, there are far fewer officers I see doing their job the way it SHOULD be done versus the way they want to do it. Blame it on lack of education, character defects, or the nature of the job...negativity is something experienced by both civilians and the police in response to their interaction with each other on a daily basis, and for this reason tension will always be there, in everyone's face.

3. A very important point to make that may help people better understand why the police act the way they do: the nature of the job is such that there cannot be a passive mode...the police MUST win every confrontation, even if the civilian is in the right. Why? Safety. The police can't sit there and consider your 10-minute monologue on why they should or shouldn't arrest you in light of the totality of the circumstances. This is saved for the courtroom. Law enforcement is there to bring a quick, efficient end to every confrontation, and hopefully with as little violence as possible. Point being, they can't falter in their perception of you as a criminal. If I respond to a call, I can't take the time to evaluate every single aspect of the call to its fullest extent (very unfortunately). There must be split second decision-making, in which all immediate factors are taken in, and evaluated based upon threat-level, procedure, and the law. On that point, most LEO's (Law enforcement Officers) don't know the ins and outs of the law like attorneys. Brief classes on certain subjects like search and seizure, arrest, the use of force, etc. are given, but far fewer officers know specific laws versus general criminal procedure. This is why it's important to understand that you can't fight your battle in the street, as much as you may want to, and as right as you may in fact be. You have to save that for the courtroom. I don't like that fact either, but its the reality of the situation. When civilians become defensive verbally and physically in pursuit of self-preservation and justice, the fine line between cooperation and resistance burns away in not time at all. You may just want us to stop and hear you out, but procedurally, the ability to allow for this is very limited, if at all...depending on the nature of the call.

So, what's the main point? Too many factors come into play with this for most people to really understand why police act the way they do. Unless you do the job, or know someone who does the job, or have studied criminal justice or police science, you probably can't properly get a handle on the infinite details that shape every police response to a given situation. I don't deny that there is an overabundance of corruption and abuse of power in the field, and believe me, good cops feels a LOT worse than you all do about this fact than you can imagine. Cops back in the day were people who you could say hi to, wave at on the street, and this was commonplace. Today, you do that and people think you're nuts. It's a sad thing, and not likely to immediately change, but maybe something I have said here can give some of you a new perspective on the situation, and help you out with keeping your emotions in check should you ever be in a confrontation personally.

 

[ViperGTS]

As a matter of fact, yes! There are plenty of white, whigger wannabees who are out there doing the same thing

Whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute. Same thing as what? The same thing that less financially stable or under-educated blacks do? So you're not actually arguing that the majority ( >50% ) of violent, jail-worthy crimes are commited by blacks?

And who DO you look out for when you're walking down the street? The white man in a business suit? Because he's going to bust a cap in your ass if you say something disrespectful to him?

Nevermind. You're no longer a part of this conversation. But at least this thread does prove a point that the OP was meant to: blacks hate cops because they don't like to be punished.

Yes, I said it. And yes, I know that there are upstanding black people in the world, the same way there are plenty of upstanding whites, yellows, and tans. I live in a neighborhood where 90% of the people I know, black, white, or otherwise, go to work in a suit and tie, and drive nice cars, often, have more than one. But I grew up in a terrible section of Philadelphia, where crime was high and the general community called it 'the hood.' My family bought the house 47 years ago, when it was a white neighborhood, and it was safe and clean. As the years went by, the white people moved out, and by the time I was born it was a predominantly black neighborhood. And you wanna know what? I bet 47 years ago, children trying to sleep in ther beds didn't hear gunshots late at night, almost once a week, off in the distance. Pardon me for basing my judgements on life experience.

And don't start spitting that "OMG UR RACIST" bullshit at me. My fist doesn't discriminate based on the color of your skin and anyone who calls me racist gets their lights punched out, period. But the way this thread explains things, if I'm interpreting it correctly:

~ People who commit crimes and get caught/punished dislike cops because they didn't like the punishment

and

~ The majority of violent, jail-worthy crimes comitted in the US are comitted by African Americans

therefore

~ Blacks are more likely to hate cops

I was never good with arithmetic but this looks like a pretty simple equation to me.

 

[dskodj]

Well, im one of those dont like the police people...has to do with when i was growing up and in my teens. I actually grew up pretty close to where Viper is at. I'll say the cops there always used to do alot of dirty things, harass us teens of the time for no probable cause..it was just fucking sick!

Ive been a victim back then and many old friends have been as well. One even ended up doing some short time in county prison as a result of one of their little bullshit/untrue/hate games back then. Ive had a sour taste in my mouth ever since.

Then on the flip side, when you need the police, where the hell are they??? That's how I feel about the police in Arizona where I am this day in age. They dont come when called and needed. So all around, on both sides of the law in different states, its all been bad experiences for me. Havent met a kind real one yet...so till and if I do, my feelings stay the same.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Viper that is one of the most ignorent things i've ever seen. You seem to have completely bought into racial stereotypes. Thats a shame. As i pointed out, black people are much more likely to serve time or be convicted of the same crime that white people are guilty of.

 

[Tickleslave07]

Tasser Crazy

Hi Everybody,
I like this topic because it allows me to vent a little against these
even more power hungry pencil neck geeks who use their new toys
waaaaaaay to much.

I'm talking about the tasser.
Case in point a lady leaving a bar recently somewhere after an altercation getts tassered 15 times by some hot shot cop wanna banna be.

2nd Case in Point- A 15yr old austic kid gets tassered by a pop cop who fears this kid will run out into traffic after leaving a medical building.

And finally how about a senior citizen for something un-violent to himself or anyone else, sorry I don't know the real reason why?
What did he have to much chewing tobacco in his mouth when he spit it out in front of a cop walking by him.

I know this is maybe off topic and I appoligize for it but come on
these police are always sworn to protect and searve.
Not tasser and torture people at will whenever they feel like it.

Hey I have an idea lets line these cops up and tasser them for a full hour straight see how they like the feeling of having it done to them.
Tickleslave07

 

[Headsnap]

What are you, a Black Panther? After that I'm half expecting you to break into a "THE MAN IS GETTIN US DOWN WITH THEIR LAWS!" speech.

Did I say that no white people commit crimes? No, I did not, in fact, there's more white people in jail than there are blacks; almost twice as many, in fact! So don't hand me that "white people commit no crimes" bullshit, especially when you're going to complain about all the rich white people who commit crimes all the time. besides, I'm no angel myself. Arson, Larceny, Theft, Breaking and Entering, Terroristic Threats, they are all on my rap sheet. I'm not proud of it. But I've done time for some of them, and do you want to guess the race of the person in the cell next to me both times?

You got it.

So you did time, eh? I do believe I'm starting to understand where your dominant streak comes from, sir! Riddle me this, during your incarcerations where you at any time "prawn-tailed" by your cellmate?

Or maybe I should put it this way. What race do you think of when I mention the term "gangstas"? Or what about the term, "projects", in reference to lower income housing? Or maybe "gang related crime"?

Stereotyping is fun! When I mention the term "piss-stained dusty cuntbags" it puts me in mind of Australians! Profiling isn't stereotyping and trying to argue the case for profiling by playing to stereotypes makes you seem more ignorant than anything else.

Maybe society wouldn't profile if the poorly educated and financially unstable portions of this country's minorities would STOP FITTING THE FUCKING STEREOTYPES.

Granted there are more than likely a few who do the things they do purely because they think it's glamorous and cool, but for every person who sells drugs and shoots someone because they think it's cool to do so there will be another 5 who do it because that's the environment they were raised in, an environment perpetuated by the criminal justice system in America which seems purely about punishment as opposed to rehabilitation. Low income housing projects are largely seen as hotbed wastelands by law enforcement in particular and the establishment in general. No real attempts are being made to clean them up or sort out the problems that drive people to act the way they do, and until they are the stereotypical behaviours you're on about will continue to go on.

Walk into any convenience store in an urban area, or even the immediate suburbs, ESPECIALLY near either the east or west coasts. One will get you ten that the guy behind the counter is of middle eastern descent.

Middle-Eastern/ South Asian stereotypes are my favourite. We have them in Britain too. Every paki is a shopkeeper or a shop assistant or a waiter in a restaurant; that's what the skinheads will tell you. They'll tell you that all the stereotypical pakis are just taking jobs away from the white folk in their area. What they don't tell you is that the pakis who work in these shops and restaurants are working for their family, most of whom will have come over from India or Pakistan with fuck all and used their work ethic to build themselves a small business which they use to give their families work, something most stereotypical poor white people would be too lazy or apathetic to do.

Go to Home Depot and look around the parking lot for guys who seem to be waiting for someone to call their name. You can put money on the fact that they are probably Hispanic or Latin.

I used to work with a stereotypical Chinese person who liked to gamble and smoked 500 cigarettes a day, and his stereotypically Chinese advice was never to put money on probably.

Stereotypes and profiling happens because people won't stop filling the shoes. I keep a more watchful eye on the black kid in long shorts and a doo-rag than i do on the white kid on a skateboard because it's common sense.

No it's not common sense. Common sense would be keeping an eye on both of them. What you're describing is ignorance and prejudice of the kind that used to get folk lynched or dragged over drain culverts behind pick-up trucks.

But let me guess, that's because of the Man's influence, right?

Probably, though wether that man is "THE Man" or some unnamed man known personally to you who has filled you with these silly prejudices I wouldn't dare venture. Or maybe it isn't the man's influence, maybe you've just got a generic chip on your shoulder about something and disliking people of other races is an easy outlet for it. Are you absolutely sure you weren't prawn-tailed in jail?

 

[the wiz]

In this lil town I hate to call home; the ACLU has been given a federal grant to give about 100 camcorders to African Americans to document police brutality.

In a weird twist, a 22 year old white male, had a camcorder installed in his car so he could record everything that goes on concerning his driving. Around 2:00 a.m. he parked in a Metro parking lot, waiting on a friend to come out. (Metro is our bus line). A policeman from one of the back water municipalities drove up between him. After asking a few questions the police became outrage and threaten to do certain things to him; including false arrest and impounding his car. All the while the camera was picking up every word.

After the man place the video on you tube, it became a very big deal for about 3 or 4 weeks; the officer also had a video camera in his car; which it is mandatory for him to have it running while on duty. Strangely, the tape disappeared; the result was the policeman was fired.

There are asses on the force for sure; but it seems they never get hurt or if they are fired they just end up in another lil hole;

we had a young black officer killed 2 months ago by a 15 year old. This officer was one of the good ones, he grew up in the community, he played football for the local high school; he became a cop and asked to be assigned in his old neighborhood; he even was mentoring young kids while he was coaching a local football team.

As KIS123 said, I do have the luxury to like or trust any of them, no matter the race or gender; They lost the ability to tell the difference between a good citizen and a criminal; they stereotype 90% of black in this cow patch town the other 10% are kids 4 and under; however, get upset when we stereotype them because the news is showing 4 cops beating the hell out of someone while they’re in handcuffs. Or, a cop driving the front end of his car at into the head of a suspect, while he’s was RUNNING BACKWARDS away from another officer. The car was doing 40 mph and the suspect never seen it coming.

The police have become brash in the way they’re treating civilians; the officer with a tasser continuously, shocking a woman telling her to lay down, following her around like a master following a dog on a leash.

Respect is earned, if you give respect, you will receive respect, but it’s not a one way relationship. These younger thunder cats are feed up with it.

Go figure.

 

[chicago]

Whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute. Same thing as what? The same thing that less financially stable or under-educated blacks do? So you're not actually arguing that the majority ( >50% ) of violent, jail-worthy crimes are commited by blacks?

And who DO you look out for when you're walking down the street? The white man in a business suit? Because he's going to bust a cap in your ass if you say something disrespectful to him?

Nevermind. You're no longer a part of this conversation. But at least this thread does prove a point that the OP was meant to: blacks hate cops because they don't like to be punished.

Yes, I said it. And yes, I know that there are upstanding black people in the world, the same way there are plenty of upstanding whites, yellows, and tans. I live in a neighborhood where 90% of the people I know, black, white, or otherwise, go to work in a suit and tie, and drive nice cars, often, have more than one. But I grew up in a terrible section of Philadelphia, where crime was high and the general community called it 'the hood.' My family bought the house 47 years ago, when it was a white neighborhood, and it was safe and clean. As the years went by, the white people moved out, and by the time I was born it was a predominantly black neighborhood. And you wanna know what? I bet 47 years ago, children trying to sleep in ther beds didn't hear gunshots late at night, almost once a week, off in the distance. Pardon me for basing my judgements on life experience.

And don't start spitting that "OMG UR RACIST" bullshit at me. My fist doesn't discriminate based on the color of your skin and anyone who calls me racist gets their lights punched out, period. But the way this thread explains things, if I'm interpreting it correctly:

~ People who commit crimes and get caught/punished dislike cops because they didn't like the punishment

and

~ The majority of violent, jail-worthy crimes comitted in the US are comitted by African Americans

therefore

~ Blacks are more likely to hate cops

I was never good with arithmetic but this looks like a pretty simple equation to me.

How does such a small guy have such big opinions? Classic case of Chihuahua Syndrome.

 

[ViperGTS]

Giggle, why do you talk about me being a small man when you're only a smart ass when you're behind your keyboard? You're the meekest little thing in person. Besides, mathematics is not a matter of opinion, last time I checked. 😉

My opinions are based on personal experience and the things I learned growing up and observing the things that went on around me. I don't fall under the influence of anyone or anything. My decisions are made by me and only me. "The man" has nothing to do with it.

 

[SlaverTickler]

One Proud Moment...

Just glad that when the Greatest of all time came to Toronto to fight George Chevelo he said "Everybody here is so nice, the parents, the kids, even the police, it's alot different from where I come from." Just adds to the Canadian Pride.

Canada, the only place in the world where if a Civil war broke out the fighting would stop to let a familly of Geese walk by...

"Geese!"
*Geese pass through*
"War on!"
*Fighting starts again*

 

[chicago]

Giggle, why do you talk about me being a small man when you're only a smart ass when you're behind your keyboard? You're the meekest little thing in person. Besides, mathematics is not a matter of opinion, last time I checked. 😉

My opinions are based on personal experience and the things I learned growing up and observing the things that went on around me. I don't fall under the influence of anyone or anything. My decisions are made by me and only me. "The man" has nothing to do with it.

I'm not exactly "meek," I just don't bring disagreements I've had with people on the forum with me to gatherings.

But this is off-topic.

So continue.

Au revoir.

 

[kis123]

Whoa whoa whoa, wait a minute. Same thing as what? The same thing that less financially stable or under-educated blacks do? So you're not actually arguing that the majority ( >50% ) of violent, jail-worthy crimes are commited by blacks?

And who DO you look out for when you're walking down the street? The white man in a business suit? Because he's going to bust a cap in your ass if you say something disrespectful to him?

Nevermind. You're no longer a part of this conversation. But at least this thread does prove a point that the OP was meant to: blacks hate cops because they don't like to be punished.

Yes, I said it. And yes, I know that there are upstanding black people in the world, the same way there are plenty of upstanding whites, yellows, and tans. I live in a neighborhood where 90% of the people I know, black, white, or otherwise, go to work in a suit and tie, and drive nice cars, often, have more than one. But I grew up in a terrible section of Philadelphia, where crime was high and the general community called it 'the hood.' My family bought the house 47 years ago, when it was a white neighborhood, and it was safe and clean. As the years went by, the white people moved out, and by the time I was born it was a predominantly black neighborhood. And you wanna know what? I bet 47 years ago, children trying to sleep in ther beds didn't hear gunshots late at night, almost once a week, off in the distance. Pardon me for basing my judgements on life experience.

And don't start spitting that "OMG UR RACIST" bullshit at me. My fist doesn't discriminate based on the color of your skin and anyone who calls me racist gets their lights punched out, period. But the way this thread explains things, if I'm interpreting it correctly:

~ People who commit crimes and get caught/punished dislike cops because they didn't like the punishment

and

~ The majority of violent, jail-worthy crimes comitted in the US are comitted by African Americans

therefore

~ Blacks are more likely to hate cops

I was never good with arithmetic but this looks like a pretty simple equation to me.

This is just another classic example of your ignorance! All the makings of a Michael Richards tantrum sans the "N" word! You're really showing yourself now and what an impression you've left with this nugget of intelligence!

It's one thing to assume one's idiocy, it's another for one to put it in print for 50,000 people to read!

Let's talk about your "logic" for a minute since it's the logic many white people with race issues use to keep the flames burning. Historically, blacks are jailed more than whites and are given stiffer sentences as Cosmo (a white male) mentioned in his post. What is your logical interpretation of that? Maybe if they took off the racial profiling and looked at everyone across the board the same way, more whites would get caught and start doing time for the crimes past ignored. Hmmm.......what a novel concept! A fair and just criminal JUSTICE system! Something that doesn't exist at all in this country!

There was a time blacks couldn't get justice at all. If they were arrested, they were given a kangaroo court trial, then jailed, hanged, beaten, or whatever filled the mood at the time. There are still places in this country that mistreat blacks whether they committed a crime or not. But I'm just making that up right?? You wouldn't know anyway, it's not the world you ever have to live in as a white man in this country.

Again I say you know not of what your speak, yell, rant, or tantrum! Just because you yell louder doesn't make you right! The sooner you learn that the better off you'll be and you won't come across as immature, childish, ignorant, and incapable to decipher intelligent thought.

I think TG said it best, you are a little man with big problems. And as far as you looking like a blatent card-carrying racist is concerned, if it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it's probably............. a duck!

And if you remotely thought about hitting me in my face, you better have your life insurance paid up because it would be the very last thing you did on the earth before things went pitch black for you! Then again, any man who would threaten to punch a woman isn't much of a man to me anyway. Silly, silly little boy.............

 

[Stugots]

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