Being sexually excited by seeing minors tickled - is it wrong?

[Whacky Macky]

Sorry, but if someone is thinking about molesting my 16 year old daughter, to me that is far from OK.....

Thoughts are not always ok.....some are quite immoral...

But how do we stop ourselves if the thought happens to crop up in our minds, Venray? By the time it's there, we can't un-think it.

As the example recently posted stated, it is "immoral" to fantasise about capturing celebrities and subjecting them to torture, a topic that is celebrated and lauded in several hundred tickling stories on this very site.

Maybe, and with all intended respect, euphoricstrokes' formula of ACTION = BAD, THOUGHT = OKAY is slightly imperfect. We can all agree on the former proposition, but maybe THOUGHT = OUT OF OUR CONTROL would be more to the point.

 

[Deleted member 66627]

but maybe THOUGHT = OUT OF OUR CONTROL would be more to the point.

If your thought is out of your control, and you are mentally stable enough to acknowledge this; then you get your ass away from any situation where the 'thought' might come up.

Because the next step from thought is action..and then you'll really be in the shits.

 

[kdakmmt]

ppl forget that we are biological beings that have artificial rules fighting the natural rules. nature dictates that once puberty hits the person is old enough to reproduce, the society dictates that is 12 to 21 depending on which state and country you live in. It is between these lines that most of the problems evolves as your mind wrestles with what you are taught and what is ingrained from genetics.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

ppl forget that we are biological beings that have artificial rules fighting the natural rules. nature dictates that once puberty hits the person is old enough to reproduce, the society dictates that is 12 to 21 depending on which state and country you live in. It is between these lines that most of the problems evolves as your mind wrestles with what you are taught and what is ingrained from genetics.

whaaaaa....? umm, i'm 25 years old, and i just recently spent a weekend at a convention where there were many children, and i did not once feel the need to sidle up to them to take them to my room. not biologically, not instinctively, or any other way imaginable. crap like that is the same as people saying homosexuality or the ability to commit murder is genetic.

 

[Tiger.Lily]

Sorry to offend, but I really do think thoughts are ok. Just because you have a thought doesn't mean that the next step is DEFINITELY action.

Most people with immoral and abnormal thoughts don't take action. Again, refer to the celebrity tickling scenario. Think about people like Aragon who get off to violence and death. People who get turned on by being raped or raping someone. Etc., etc., etc. It's not that far off. Take any other fucking subject/fetish/concept and you'd have a completely different reaction. In fact, I'd be astonished if one amongst us said that S&M fantasies are sick, perverted, and WRONG!

Based on what I'm getting from some of you, if you have an immoral thought you're a monster.

Puh-lease.

But, hey. If you have such a problem with it, do you part and keep your kid's face off the nets, and educate other parents. Otherwise, it's fair game, so-to-speak.

 

[LD_Tickler]

Sorry to offend, but I really do think thoughts are ok. Just because you have a thought doesn't mean that the next step is DEFINITELY action.

Most people with immoral and abnormal thoughts don't take action. Again, refer to the celebrity tickling scenario. Think about people like Aragon who get off to violence and death. People who get turned on by being raped or raping someone. Etc., etc., etc. It's not that far off. Take any other fucking subject/fetish/concept and you'd have a completely different reaction. In fact, I'd be astonished if one amongst us said that S&M fantasies are sick, perverted, and WRONG!

Based on what I'm getting from some of you, if you have an immoral thought you're a monster.

Puh-lease.

But, hey. If you have such a problem with it, do you part and keep your kid's face off the nets, and educate other parents. Otherwise, it's fair game, so-to-speak.

Exactly. Thoughts cannot be immoral. Ever. The attitude that fantasies are wrong is uncomfortably similar to the old puritanical thought control advocated by the church. "Did you have an involuntary urge? Well then, you're going to hell."

Fantasizing about a child really is no worse than fantasizing about abducting and tickling a celebrity. Only in the first case, since children are involved, people completely lose their objectivity and become so emotional that they feel there's a real difference between the two circumstances.

I also want to echo what Euphoricstrokes said, that claiming action is the "next step" after thought is completely speculative. Like I said before, there's no way to predict when somebody is likely to act. A desire to act is not enough to make that assumption. Hell, I work at a restaurant that hires exclusively cute girls for servers. I spent a good portion of my day fantasizing about doing some pretty naughty (re: illegal) things to them as I chop vegetables in the kitchen. Do I have a moral obligation to remove myself from that atmosphere? Er, no, since I'm not a monk seeking to purge my thoughts of worldly pleasures, nor does the fact that I'm attracted to these girls mean I'm going to do something bad.

If you keep a cool head and think about this issue for what it is, it becomes quite clear. Like I said though, since children are the topic here, people get so fired up that they start to become irrationally hypocritical and afraid.

 

[drew70]

The comments I read...were basically a variation on the theme that these people were essentially paedophiles. Is that a fair statement?

It's a fair assessment of the bulk of the comments, but such comments themselves were anything but fair. They were presumptions based on personal revulsion and emotion coupled with parental fear, resulting in a Salem-like lynch-mob mindset.

Is there a case to argue that the excitement from watching kids tickled doesn't neccesarily come from the kids but from the tickling?

Absolutely there is. While most people into tickling seem to have as an object of their focus the tickled victim, there are some of us for whom the object of our focus is the Ler. I myself fall into this category. I dig female Lers. Getting more specific I dig female lers with curvaceous, buxom figures. As for the lees? Well for me, the lee's gender makes no difference whatsoever and neither does the age. I stick with adult on adult tickling because it satisfies my one requirement (the adult female Ler) and it complies with societal and cultural requirements.

I could stretch this to a more general (and grossly controversial) case that paedophilia itself is not wrong until a man acts on his sexual feelings (if he watches child porn then is he doing any harm? Of course it seems grossly wrong and I am not saying I agree with it AT ALL, but is it not only when he acts on his sexual urges that he becomes wrong? Should a man really be vilified for what he finds sexually attractive?

No, a man should not be villified for what he finds sexually attractive. Society has a right to regulate what people do, but it has no right to regulate what people think. Rape and molestation are wrong and should be harshly punished. Sexual preference is nobody else's business but one's own.

 

[venray]

Maybe, and with all intended respect, euphoricstrokes' formula of ACTION = BAD, THOUGHT = OKAY is slightly imperfect. We can all agree on the former proposition, but maybe THOUGHT = OUT OF OUR CONTROL would be more to the point.

Ah..this is a start...

The biggest difference between people fanticising about celebs and about minors, is age....

Thoughts out of our control....yes......

does it make fanticising about minors ok.....not as far as I am concerned....

as for answering the question first posed in this thread I would have to say that yes it is wrong....that is my opinion and others can disagree if they wish ....

perhaps the thoughts are out of our control, but dwelling on these thoughts can lead elsewhere...recognizing this is the first step towards controling ones ACTIONS...😀


"Most people with immoral and abnormal thoughts don't take action. Again, refer to the celebrity tickling scenario. Think about people like Aragon who get off to violence and death. People who get turned on by being raped or raping someone. Etc., etc., etc. It's not that far off. Take any other fucking subject/fetish/concept and you'd have a completely different reaction. In fact, I'd be astonished if one amongst us said that S&M fantasies are sick, perverted, and WRONG!"

They ARE perverted and wrong...if the object of the fantasy is under legal age...which is what we are discussing here....no one is putting people down for what turns them on EXCEPT where kids are concerned....

There is a big difference that all should be able to see...

 

[Whacky Macky]

If your thought is out of your control, and you are mentally stable enough to acknowledge this; then you get your ass away from any situation where the 'thought' might come up.

Because the next step from thought is action..and then you'll really be in the shits.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? You mean to say you are in control of which thoughts you allow yourself to think and those you don't?

The thought came to you to reply to my post. There was no filtering process, no subconscious committee that says "that's a bad thought, don't register it with brain headquarters." The only thing we can truly control, all of the time, is taking action on our mental processes or not.

perhaps the thoughts are out of our control, but dwelling on these thoughts can lead elsewhere...recognizing this is the first step towards controling ones ACTIONS...😀

And at last, Venray and the novice TMFer (myself) come to agreement. Huzzah! 🙂

 

[-Hari-]

my opinion is this

Thinking about it=sick weirdo, i pitty and feel sorry for people that are cursed with such immoral thoughts and desires but i maintain a small level of respect for the ones that realise its wrong and never act upon it.

Doing it=Even sicker wierdo, should definatly be locked up forever or sent directly to hell DO NOT PASS GO, they were all born with the capability to control there actions even if they cant control theyre thoughts.

If Tickling was wrong and immoral ide still be into it but ide control myself and attempt to bury it at the back of my mind and never act on it, my life would be hell but ide least i could say ide done my best, people who cant do that let themselves and everyone else down

 

[vsa7a]

Can you post/link your peer-reviewed studies, please?

sorry, they arent online. they are written in volumes that I will have to dig out of archive a over a decade ago.

 

[vsa7a]

Were you the captain of the debating team in school?

A closed mind is a wonderful thing to lose.

no but my point is this topic shouldnt even be brought up or discussed further because it is just some sick and stupid bullshit.

 

[venray]

Let me clarify my position here....

To hear laughter and have a quick uncontrolled thought and becoming excited is most likely normal in our little fetish world....
minors involved or not..

To dwell on these thoughts and seek out more of them is sick AND immoral in my opinion...


Seeking out pics ior situations nvolving minors in fetish situations or even in "innocent" playful scenes. in order to get your jollies iand feed these thoughts is definitely wrong as opposed to a fleeting uncontrolled thought that most likely occurs in everyone's mind....

 

[Paultickler]

OK little childrens defenetly don't turns me on at all like I said, but these is my friend and It really turns me on when I tickled her the oher night! by the way she's 17 and I'm 21!

PS: I wanted to put a clear example of what I was talking about.

I think that tickling is amazing and u just have to enjoy it sexualy or not!

:::HDS EDIT|Picture removed. No minors are permitted on the TMF|END EDIT:::

 

[venray]

So you see nothing wrong with posting a 17 yo's pic on a fetish website???There are 13 yo's that look 20 out there..would you post those pics as well? The question is....where is the line drawn..the answer is at 18 where the law takes over....

I have no problem with what you do with a gf or friend but if it is minor related it does NOT belong here...

Sigh.......

 

[Deleted member 66627]

Minor Content is not allowed on here, guy.

 

[kis123]

I tried to read as much as I could, but it got mind-boggling after the fist 8-9 pages or so.

I have many sexual thoughts in my head about different scenarios and man, are they hott! The likelyhood that I'll EVER act on them is probably none. It's great to entertain the mind but I doubt that I'll ever act it out. So IMO, fantasizing never hurt anybody.

But to the person who said watching kiddie porn isn't wrong, I have to humbly disagree. That individual is stepping out the fantasy zone into desiring to see what he/she fantasizes about. I believe that by doing that, it gives more strength to the fantasy and takes it to another level. I believe that porn is porn and the one watching it does get sexual benefit from it. Watching porn with minors is wrong to me because of the sexual benefit; this person may be jerking-off to it. To me that means he/she can't withhold his/her sexual frustration. At what point does the DVD not give any more satisfaction? I can't answer that but I do know that if you play with fire long enough, you may get burned.

It's one thing to have a fleeting thought. It's another to feed it until it becomes bigger than one's reality.

 

[LD_Tickler]

To dwell on these thoughts and seek out more of them is sick AND immoral in my opinion...

I definitely do NOT want to get into a big discussion of moral philosophy (since I did really poorly in that class), but I just can't understand your position. How is thinking wrong? Regardless of subject matter?

Some have been saying thinking it is wrong because it will encourage you to act. While I maintain that that connection is totally unfounded and speculative, I can at least understand why they'd consider it.

But, seeing as how nothing is happening in the real world, no people are involved other than yourself, you do it in total isolation with no effect upon anyone else... how is thinking, even actively fantasizing, wrong?

I would guess that your position is based on gut parental feeling. While it's great to see that you care about children and are outraged at the thought of them being violated, I think those feelings are clouding your rationality in this case, where no harm is being done to anyone.

If we're not basing morality on what harms others, then what are we basing it on?

(don't anyone say god)

 

[Excess]

I doubt I can say anything here that hasn't already been said, so I'll make it short. I'll just say that, imo, it is, but it doesn't make you a pedophile, just in love with tickling to a point where the action itself is what dictates the feelings you get from it. Whether this is to any extent or not depends on the individual.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I doubt I can say anything here that hasn't already been said, so I'll make it short. I'll just say that, imo, it is, but it doesn't make you a pedophile, just in love with tickling to a point where the action itself is what dictates the feelings you get from it. Whether this is to any extent or not depends on the individual.

Being turned on sexualy by anything that involves a child makes that person a pedophile, and as such make them a prim candidate to swing from a tree... by their neck... on a rope... till they die.

 

[Excess]

Being turned on sexualy by anything that involves a child makes that person a pedophile, and as such make them a prim candidate to swing from a tree... by their neck... on a rope... till they die.

I suppose I should've said doesn't 'necessarily' make you a pedophile. I mean that if it's the act of tickling itself that is getting one off, not the individual. Again, whether there is any extent to this depends on the individual. I do think that if one did get sexually excited by it, they should seek help as soon as possible, as living with such a thing would only make things more difficult in the future.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I suppose I should've said doesn't 'necessarily' make you a pedophile. I mean that if it's the act of tickling itself that is getting one off, not the individual. Again, whether there is any extent to this depends on the individual. I do think that if one did get sexually excited by it, they should seek help as soon as possible, as living with such a thing would only make things more difficult in the future.

If it is ok to get turned on by the act regardless of the ages involved then someone with kiddie porn could claim "It's not the kids it's what their doing." so again I say to you and everybody else...

Being turned on sexualy by anything that involves a child makes that person a pedophile, and as such make them a prime candidate to swing from a tree... by their neck... on a rope... till they die.

 

[Excess]

If it is ok to get turned on by the act regardless of the ages involved then someone with kiddie porn could claim "It's not the kids it's what their doing." so again I say to you and everybody else...

I don't recall ever saying it was ok. If I did, please point me out to where I did.

 

[SlaverTickler]

I suppose I should've said doesn't 'necessarily' make you a pedophile. I mean that if it's the act of tickling itself that is getting one off, not the individual. Again, whether there is any extent to this depends on the individual. I do think that if one did get sexually excited by it, they should seek help as soon as possible, as living with such a thing would only make things more difficult in the future.

That sounds to me like you are saying it is ok to be turned on by a child being tickled. It sounded like you were making exusses for a person that gets hot from seeing a kid getting tickled, but then claims it's the act of tickling not the fact that it's a kid. I say that is bull shit, because I love to watch women (grown adults) being tickled, but I get no sexual thrill on any level when it is a child. It's cute sure, but not sexual.

 

[LD_Tickler]

SlaverTickler, you do get a kick out of nonconsentual tickle torture and abduction, though. I've seen your stories. So what if they're adults? Those actions are pretty awful, in a real life context. If a person is to be hanged because of what the find arousing, you'll be right there next to the pedophile who never hurt anyone, and I'll be swinging right next to you.

Pedophiles exercise no free will in what arouses them. Arousal is an involuntary reaction to stimulus. It's not the most common stimulus to be aroused by, and acting on it is heinous. But blaming people and wishing them dead for feelings they have no control over? You're the ones who deserve to be condemned, you DO have a choice.