Being sexually excited by seeing minors tickled - is it wrong?

[Excess]

That sounds to me like you are saying it is ok to be turned on by a child being tickled. It sounded like you were making exusses for a person that gets hot from seeing a kid getting tickled, but then claims it's the act of tickling not the fact that it's a kid. I say that is bull shit, because I love to watch women (grown adults) being tickled, but I get no sexual thrill on any level when it is a child. It's cute sure, but not sexual.

So why are you needing to pick out certain parts of what I said instead of finding something about it in the whole? If that's what it sounds like to you then you're really trying hard to find fault in someone's thoughts on the matter simply because they aren't so cut and dry as you'd like. I'm not going to get into this with you here though, so let's just leave it off here.

 

[SlaverTickler]

SlaverTickler, you do get a kick out of nonconsentual tickle torture and abduction, though. I've seen your stories. So what if they're adults? Those actions are pretty awful, in a real life context. If a person is to be hanged because of what the find arousing, you'll be right there next to the pedophile who never hurt anyone, and I'll be swinging right next to you.

Pedophiles exercise no free will in what arouses them. Arousal is an involuntary reaction to stimulus. It's not the most common stimulus to be aroused by, and acting on it is heinous. But blaming people and wishing them dead for feelings they have no control over? You're the ones who deserve to be condemned, you DO have a choice.

Having a fantasy, and putting it down on paper is alot different then being turned on by little kids. They are monsters, like a sick dog that needs to be put down. I have controle over what I do, and the fact that I would not act on any abduction fantasy is proof of that. Women have fantasies of being abducted and tickle tortured here on the forum, I know because they have told me. I also have writen storries with Male lee's in that same situation, and in most of my stories the female lees get revenge on the males who abducted them. Ped's never keep it under controle, I saw "The Woodsman" too Excess and I was not impressed.

 

[SlaverTickler]

So why are you needing to pick out certain parts of what I said instead of finding something about it in the whole? If that's what it sounds like to you then you're really trying hard to find fault in someone's thoughts on the matter simply because they aren't so cut and dry as you'd like. I'm not going to get into this with you here though, so let's just leave it off here.

It's cut and dry Excess, when it comes to children and their well being it is all black and white. Sexual feelings towards children is sick, and evil, and worthy of a rope.

 

[LD_Tickler]

Having a fantasy, and putting it down on paper is alot different then being turned on by little kids. They are monsters, like a sick dog that needs to be put down. I have controle over what I do, and the fact that I would not act on any abduction fantasy is proof of that. Women have fantasies of being abducted and tickle tortured here on the forum, I know because they have told me. I also have writen storries with Male lee's in that same situation, and in most of my stories the female lees get revenge on the males who abducted them. Ped's never keep it under controle, I saw "The Woodsman" too Excess and I was not impressed.

Being turned on by little kids is a fantasy. Thus, having a tickling fantasy, and having a pedophilia fantasy are no different. The only distinction is the content of the fantasy - a fantasy which hurts no one. If you find the fantasy heinous, fine, it's none of your business. You think there aren't vanillas who would read your stories and say "abducting women is a sick, evil fantasy?"

You have control over your actions. That's awesome. I'm talking about pedophiles who also have control over their actions. They fantasize about whatever they want, but when it comes to real life, they control themselves, just like you do. Why? Because BOTH of your fantasies would be immoral if and only if you acted on them.

"Ped's never keep it under control."
What kind of asinine statement is that? You know every pedophile? Or maybe it's just that every pedophile you've heard of has acted on it... oh wait... that would be WHY you heard about them.

If we're talking about people who actually molest children, fine, I agree with your hate and outrage. But if we're talking about reasonable adults in control of their actions who happen to be pedophiles and DON'T molest children... then I see no substantial difference between them and you or I.

 

[SlaverTickler]

If we're talking about people who actually molest children, fine, I agree with your hate and outrage. But if we're talking about reasonable adults in control of their actions who happen to be pedophiles and DON'T molest children... then I see no substantial difference between them and you or I.

Don't drag me in with you LD, only one type of person defends a ped, guess who that is. Maybe you 'dbe cool with some freak jerking off in his car watching your kids play in the park, I know I wouldn't. To compare my stories to being a "would be" kiddie rapper is crap, because I have gotten cuttos from both male and female members of the forum, and I have even writen about female members of the forum in some of my works, and they were very happy to be the focus of a fantasy. It's like if a guy has a thing for Anal sex, and he fantasises about balling J.Lo, and saying it's the same and wanting to do the same to the 12 year old down the street... well guess what ped lover it aint the same, and never will be. Adults is adults and kids is kids, but maybe it has to happen to someone you care about before yo see how evil these fuckers are, fortunetly for myself it I don't need a Pearl Harbour before I realize something is as much my problem as it is a victims problem.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

Slaver, you're making no sence, and this thread is quickly degenerating into a mudslinging.

i mean, can't we agree to disagree? yes, pedophilia is wrong. yes, doing ANYTHING to act out on it is wrong. harming children in such a manner should be punishable to the fullest extent of the law.

let's try to be reasonable, people. christ, we are all misfits according to society, but let's not invite any reason for us to ostracize each other.

 

[Cosmo_ac]

Don't drag me in with you LD, only one type of person defends a ped, guess who that is.

Do tell. Slaver, i can understand those who are opposed to Pedophiles. Its natural. At least to an extent. SOmething to note however, is that being a pedophile does not make one a child molester or criminal. IS their potential? yes. However, it is wrong to convict a person of a crime they have never commited.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Do tell. Slaver, i can understand those who are opposed to Pedophiles. Its natural. At least to an extent. SOmething to note however, is that being a pedophile does not make one a child molester or criminal. IS their potential? yes. However, it is wrong to convict a person of a crime they have never commited.

Telling your girl friend tickling gets you hot may get you a "You're a freak" look, or she may just say "What ever works for you." Tell her that little billy down the street gives you a hard-on will get a much bigger reaction, and if it doesn't then the bitch is sick too.

 

[SlaverTickler]

Slaver, you're making no sence, and this thread is quickly degenerating into a mudslinging.

i mean, can't we agree to disagree? yes, pedophilia is wrong. yes, doing ANYTHING to act out on it is wrong. harming children in such a manner should be punishable to the fullest extent of the law.

let's try to be reasonable, people. christ, we are all misfits according to society, but let's not invite any reason for us to ostracize each other.

If you defend a ped, then you should be dead, thats my motto.

 

[LD_Tickler]

Don't drag me in with you LD, only one type of person defends a ped, guess who that is. Maybe you 'dbe cool with some freak jerking off in his car watching your kids play in the park, I know I wouldn't. To compare my stories to being a "would be" kiddie rapper is crap, because I have gotten cuttos from both male and female members of the forum, and I have even writen about female members of the forum in some of my works, and they were very happy to be the focus of a fantasy. It's like if a guy has a thing for Anal sex, and he fantasises about balling J.Lo, and saying it's the same and wanting to do the same to the 12 year old down the street... well guess what ped lover it aint the same, and never will be. Adults is adults and kids is kids, but maybe it has to happen to someone you care about before yo see how evil these fuckers are, fortunetly for myself it I don't need a Pearl Harbour before I realize something is as much my problem as it is a victims problem.

You want to get personal. So be it. Some years ago I found out that one of my closest friends was habitually and routinely molested by her stepfather since she was 9 years old. He took the family's money, and only got 15 months in prison. So don't you dare accuse me of lacking understanding.

You and I both know that I'm not defending child molesters, you're not fooling anyone by flinging accusations at me.

Now, if you'd like to try making a point, explain to me how fantasizing about kids is worse than fantasizing about torturing a grown woman. Both are fantasies of "evil" things, but are just fantasies and are therefore harmless. If either the "pedophile" or "torture fetishist" act on their fantasies, they're both equally immoral, but not until then.

Frankly, you seem like the dangerous one. You want people to die if you don't approve of their thoughts. I'm willing to defend a person until s/he does something wrong.

 

[cloudgazer2k]

If you defend a ped, then you should be dead, thats my motto.

...ok. so, what? you directing that at me?

this is what i mean by mudslinging. the discussion is practically stalemated now that you, LD and Excess are arguing the same thing over and over again.

i, for one, am an advocate for children's rights and protection. but how can you condemn someone for their thoughts? unless you have psychic powers you have yet to publicly claim, you can't. actions are condemned, not thought. illegal actions get you arrested and incarcerated, but there is no such thing as illegal thought. if that were true, i'd have been arrested for thinking how cool it would be if Bush's head blossomed after a sniper round hit it.

is there any way things can get back on track to where this is an intelligent debate rather than grade-school argumentative?

 

[sxytklslv]

what's the problem?

I don't see what the problem with watching miner's being tickled as long as they clean the coal dust off themselves and take off that littlw helmet with the light on top it should be no problem

 

[venray]

If we're talking about people who actually molest children, fine, I agree with your hate and outrage. But if we're talking about reasonable adults in control of their actions who happen to be pedophiles and DON'T molest children... then I see no substantial difference between them and you or I.

Then I worry about you along with the safety of my kids..the same way I worry about people that have thoughts about killing for pleasure...nost will never act on it, but it doesnt make it ok...

 

[LD_Tickler]

Then I worry about you along with the safety of my kids..the same way I worry about people that have thoughts about killing for pleasure...nost will never act on it, but it doesnt make it ok...

No, I suppose it doesn't make it all hunky dory, and it's fair to perk your ears up. But to actually condemn these people just for having thoughts we find disconcerting? That's not ok either.

I did also ask on what basis you can deem a fantasy to be immoral, have you given that some thought yet?

 

[venray]

I merely answered the question of the original poster..is it wrong? In my view it is wrong...

When we got onto the whole pediphile track though, my feelings are a little stronger....those types of thoughts to me are immoral...

My upbringing, my life experiences my opinion......

cant change those beliefs nor would I want to.....

But....I still would not condemn to death those that have thoughts they do not act on....once the line is crossed however they should be put away for the rest of their lives with no contact with the outside workd at all...

I condemn no one to death as murder is immoral to me also.....

 

[Excess]

As far as thoughts vs. actions go, again, in my opinion it would be best to get help if one was having sexual urges towards children. That's just what I think, as it would make things harder the longer it goes on. This isn't even to mention that having child porn on your computer is punishable by law. It just wouldn't be worth it to have even if you could keep from acting on it.

However, that said, it really depends on the individual, and how they react based on those thoughts. Someone can suddenly realize those, and go to get psychological help on dealing with it. I don't think this individual deserves death or whatever, because they are clearly not succumbing to it. If the individual decides to go out and act on it, then obviously that's where the law comes, rightfully so.

Now if they realize it but don't seek help, just going by the idea that 'it's ok so long as I never act on it' is certainly a controversial one, and in my opinion a dangerous one. Dangerous because if they are willing to not think of it as something to seek help on, then they may be gaining a decreasing sense of where the line is. Next thing they may be looking at child porn on their computers, thinking it's ok. Then they begin writing stories of it to sate them moreso, thinking it's ok. Again, it's different for individuals, but that goes for everything pretty much.

It's a dangerous fence to walk indeed...

 

[venray]

As far as thoughts vs. actions go, again, in my opinion it would be best to get help if one was having sexual urges towards children. That's just what I think, as it would make things harder the longer it goes on. This isn't even to mention that having child porn on your computer is punishable by law. It just wouldn't be worth it to have even if you could keep from acting on it.

However, that said, it really depends on the individual, and how the react based on those thoughts. Someone can suddenly realize those, and go to get psychological help on dealing with it. I don't think this individual deserves death or whatever, because they are clearly not succumbing to it. If the individual decides to go out and act on it, then obviously that's where the law comes, rightfully so.

Now if they realize it but don't seek help, just going by the idea that 'it's ok so long as I never act on it' is certainly a controversial one, and in my opinion a dangerous one. Dangerous because if they are willing to not think of it as something to seek help on, then they may be gaining a decreasing sense of where the line is. Next thing they may be looking at child porn on their computers, thinking it's ok. Then they begin writing stories of it to sate them moreso, thinking it's ok. Again, it's different for individuals, but that goes for everything pretty much.

It's a dangerous fence to walk indeed...

Exactly what I was trying to get at....thanks Ex...

 

[LD_Tickler]

As far as thoughts vs. actions go, again, in my opinion it would be best to get help if one was having sexual urges towards children. That's just what I think, as it would make things harder the longer it goes on. This isn't even to mention that having child porn on your computer is punishable by law. It just wouldn't be worth it to have even if you could keep from acting on it.

However, that said, it really depends on the individual, and how the react based on those thoughts. Someone can suddenly realize those, and go to get psychological help on dealing with it. I don't think this individual deserves death or whatever, because they are clearly not succumbing to it. If the individual decides to go out and act on it, then obviously that's where the law comes, rightfully so.

Now if they realize it but don't seek help, just going by the idea that 'it's ok so long as I never act on it' is certainly a controversial one, and in my opinion a dangerous one. Dangerous because if they are willing to not think of it as something to seek help on, then they may be gaining a decreasing sense of where the line is. Next thing they may be looking at child porn on their computers, thinking it's ok. Then they begin writing stories of it to sate them moreso, thinking it's ok. Again, it's different for individuals, but that goes for everything pretty much.

It's a dangerous fence to walk indeed...

You're right, there is potential for a slippery slope. However, it's only potential. As you seem to realize, just because something is possible doesn't make it true.

So that dangerous fence? It's the person's choice to choose to walk it or not. We can't start robbing people of control over their lives without legitimate reason to do so. And I hope we agree, a person's sexual fantasies are not a legitimate reason. Only their behaviour is.

You could, after all, use the same "slippery slope" argument against any of us whose tickle fantasies are less than wholesome.

 

[WayTooD]

I am not a pedophile, nor do I endorse the actions of child molesters or any other criminals. However, I do find the the act of slamming another fetish on a fetish forum to be somewhat fascinating and it leads me to a thought. What if our fetish were made illegal? What if the content of your hard drive or gatherings like NEST led you to be locked away for the majority of your adult life? After the initial "get real" reaction you'll all be having, really think about it.

There are somedays I really wish I didn't like tickling. I feel strange, ostracized, creepy. However, whether or not I enjoy it's company I have had this fetish since before I can really remember, ingrained into my very personality. I could no sooner discard it than I could cut off my own arm.

I don't know what it is that causes pedophilia, but given the normal fetishist self-loathing and add in societal ostracization and I can only begin to imagine the personal hell that these people experience on an everyday basis. I too have a strong distaste for child molesters. I think that is pretty much the most heinous crime one can perpitrate. I am an uncle and truly think I could not control myself if one of my nieces or nephews was taken advantage of in such a way. I would most likely want to beat the living shit out of the culprit. But I can't help but feel some bit of sorrow for those "law-abiding citizens" with this affliction who are just trying to live their lives.

I don't know... it's a rough subject and not one that I think anyone feels any bit of comfort discussing.

 

[Excess]

You're right, there is potential for a slippery slope. However, it's only potential. As you seem to realize, just because something is possible doesn't make it true.

So that dangerous fence? It's the person's choice to choose to walk it or not. We can't start robbing people of control over their lives without legitimate reason to do so. And I hope we agree, a person's sexual fantasies are not a legitimate reason. Only their behaviour is.

You could, after all, use the same "slippery slope" argument against any of us whose tickle fantasies are less than wholesome.

This is correct, and is what brings about so much controversy. The fact is that you cannot fault someone for their thoughts. This is just the way it is. There is nothing that can be done about this from anyone but the individual. The actions an individual takes with such things defines what they could or could not become. As feelings are allowed to fester, so they will grow more and more intense much of the time, especially from lack of expression. You may not have tickled anyone for a long time, and have the images of others doing so constantly shown to you. The question is; How far can you control it? Can you keep it from controlling you? These are the most important questions you can ask yourself on such things.

I am not a pedophile, nor do I endorse the actions of child molesters or any other criminals. However, I do find the the act of slamming another fetish on a fetish forum to be somewhat fascinating and it leads me to a thought. What if our fetish were made illegal? What if the content of your hard drive or gatherings like NEST led you to be locked away for the majority of your adult life? After the initial "get real" reaction you'll all be having, really think about it.

There are somedays I really wish I didn't like tickling. I feel strange, ostracized, creepy. However, whether or not I enjoy it's company I have had this fetish since before I can really remember, ingrained into my very personality. I could no sooner discard it than I could cut off my own arm.

I don't know what it is that causes pedophilia, but given the normal fetishist self-loathing and add in societal ostracization and I can only begin to imagine the personal hell that these people experience on an everyday basis. I too have a strong distaste for child molesters. I think that is pretty much the most heinous crime one can perpitrate. I am an uncle and truly think I could not control myself if one of my nieces or nephews was taken advantage of in such a way. I would most likely want to beat the living shit out of the culprit. But I can't help but feel some bit of sorrow for those "law-abiding citizens" with this affliction who are just trying to live their lives.

I don't know... it's a rough subject and not one that I think anyone feels any bit of comfort discussing.

This is an excellent point. I too understand the feeling of self-loathing that can come with being told you're into something that is not 'accepted'. And so I can only imagine the pain it would cause someone who has something even less accepted. It is a rough subject. Obviously there are general concepts of things that are right and wrong, and putting those aside and considering if things were different puts people out of what they are comfortable with, and frightens them.

And that is why the concept of 'right' and 'wrong' is one that can terrify anyone, because it is not always so simple to classify things by such simple definitions.

 

[Paultickler]

So you see nothing wrong with posting a 17 yo's pic on a fetish website???There are 13 yo's that look 20 out there..would you post those pics as well? The question is....where is the line drawn..the answer is at 18 where the law takes over....

I have no problem with what you do with a gf or friend but if it is minor related it does NOT belong here...

Sigh.......

well I lied she's 18 see the difference!

 

[Tiger.Lily]

Don't drag me in with you LD, only one type of person defends a ped, guess who that is.

Pardon? This offends me quite a bit, as you're sticking me in that category. So now you've lumped in pedophiles with child molesters, and people who defend pedophiles as pedophiles themselves?

If you defend a ped, then you should be dead, thats my motto.

Wow. I have to agree with LD...again. It seems you might be the dangerous one. Wishing death upon me because I'm defending the right to have your own fantasies?

Those last two quotes have lost you all of your credibility as an intelligent, and open-minded individual.

Then I worry about you along with the safety of my kids..the same way I worry about people that have thoughts about killing for pleasure...nost will never act on it, but it doesnt make it ok...

Again, I am baffled. I have some pretty bizarre fantasies of my own. From what I'm picking up, I'll be damned if I ever share them on THIS fetish community. This is a fairly close-minded fetish community.


Ok. So, I get it now. The only acceptable fetish is a fetish that causes no harm, and is entirely moral. No torture, no S&M, no rape, no knives, no strangulation, etc. Basically we're left with tickling and feet.

Bravo.

 

[badreligion]

is it wrong for an adult to be sexually excited by seeing minors tickled















YES!!!!!!!

 

[kis123]

Then I worry about you along with the safety of my kids..the same way I worry about people that have thoughts about killing for pleasure...nost will never act on it, but it doesnt make it ok...

With all due respect:

As a parent, I understand your concerns about pedophiles and folks who have an extreme way of thinking. Sometimes, if you play with those thoughts too long, they can manifest to some really unhealthy and immoral stuff.

Having said that, I do think your opinion is just a tad extreme Ray. There's no way that you may ever know who has those thoughts; it could be your closest family member, best friend, favorite neighbor. You can judge only if they expose their thoughts by speaking them. If they don't, you simply go by what you do know about them. As long as they never act out on those thoughts, you won't know what's going on in their heads.

You cannot control the thoughts that pop into your head; many are fleeting and never come back again. We don't have flashing lights over our foreheads exposing our thought life. When I sit in a room with a lot of people I always wonder what they do when they're not at work. What kind of issues do they have? What is their kink? The fact is I'll never know........and the fact is that you'll never know either.

 

[kis123]

Again, I am baffled. I have some pretty bizarre fantasies of my own. From what I'm picking up, I'll be damned if I ever share them on THIS fetish community. This is a fairly close-minded fetish community.


Ok. So, I get it now. The only acceptable fetish is a fetish that causes no harm, and is entirely moral. No torture, no S&M, no rape, no knives, no strangulation, etc. Basically we're left with tickling and feet.

Bravo.

I have to agree with you on this one; some people are getting way to emotionally involved to see the lack of logic in their statements. You can't control the thoughts and fantasies that pop in your head any more than you can control your dreams as you sleep. What you can control is acting out on those thoughts and fantasies especially if they can cause harm to others.