Being sexually excited by seeing minors tickled - is it wrong?

[SlaverTickler]

Knowing there are a number of sick minds out there behind keyboards, I'm amazed that any families would put into you tube and expose to the world their babies filmed being tickled. To me, it's one thing to have home video of your kids while they are growing up and having those as memories--that's fine. It just seems to me to be too cringe-inducing to expose your baby to the whole world. Bleh.

I heard about a guy who posted a live stream while molesting his own baby daughter so the idea of them posting tickling wouldn't suprise me. I also recently heard about a woman being involved in a kiddie porn ring, so Race Colour and Gender doesn't make one above this type of evil, though a good strong rope can help to fix the problem.

 

[LD_Tickler]

what don't you get LD? I think she's made it clear...

She clarified it for me. I originally thought she was answering the question "what makes somebody choose to be gay" by saying "if they're in love with somebody of the same sex." But I see now she was just talking about under what circumstances a gay person would come out.

 

[Soda Bobinski]

Okay ...

... to everyone who feels the need to let the rest of us know they feel that molestation & rape & pedophilia & child porn , etc. is ( are ) wrong & that they're against it ...

Well , thanks. You've really set yourselves apart from the pack. By stating you think that children being taken advantage of is wrong , you've proven yourselves to be the highest calibre of people. Congratulations.

While you're at it , tell us your position on famine ... FOR it? ... or AGAINST it?

How do you feel about racism? ... LOVE it? ... or HATE it?

Point being ... there's really no need to state that you feel that children shouldn't be mistreated.

I think we ALL agree on that.

So please ... unless otherwise stated , I think we can all figure out that the people voicing their opinions on this matter are AGAINST anything bad happening to children/minors. In other words ... it's a given.




*end of rant*

 

[Whacky Macky]

Imagine this: You see a clip of a foot being tickled. Soft and attractive in all the ways you find attractive. The camera pulls back and it is a male foot being tickled. Do you stop being attracted? It is the same foot.....

Food for thought......

Well Venray, I like to think after all this time around the traps, I can safely tell the difference between feet and other extremities in terms of gender. There are obvious differences in look and structure. You are partially right, though - it's easier for vanilla men, who see a pair of perky DD breasts and can know with confidence that the zoom-out will reveal a woman. Or hopefully it would, anyway.

I think the bottom line is, it has been stated by some, or strongly implied by others, that if a person is turned on by something like that they should castrate themselves or crawl into a ball and wait to die, because they are impure beings. This is puritanical.

 

[ItsukaHuruyami]

Hmm...

Well, I've spent a good half an hour (or more, haven't paid the best attention to the clock) reading all 9 pages of this tread. (wow.)

So, excuse me if you consider this bumping or whatever, I just wanted to get my point across, my apologies.

So, from all that I've read and all that I've gathered, this is what I think (and what most people think.)

Rape and molestation, whether it be with adults or children, IS WRONG. W-R-O-N-G. End of story on that one.

Now, thinking about it, I don't think it's right, but I don't think its condemnable.

For example, like say a man goes and buys a playboy. Sure he fantasizes about having them in bed and such, but he doesn't go out and do it. Should he be penalized? No. I believe the same should be with pedophiles, whether they fantasize about children or they fantasize about something odd that no one really tries. Whatever. If they don't do it, I don't think they should be penalized. Maybe watched a little, but not penalized.

HOWEVER...

Society doesn't work that way. As many of us are open minded on the subject, when compared to society, we are, in fact, a minority. Closed-minded people are about everywhere, and most them, when they hear the word pedophile automatically think "a sick fuck who should die." They don't think things through, they think very quickly, and sometimes not at all. Living in the south with many closed minded rednecks and things, I can verify that 300 fold. Same goes with homosexuality. I'm bisexual, and I am only open about it on the internet, and I only tell my closest friends. Sure, I'd love to be open about it, but, as stated earlier, residing in the south and being anything other than straight is pretty much the equivalent of perpetually walking around with a "KICK ME IN THE FACE" sign draped around your neck. It's a very, very sad state of affairs. Like I stated in the playboy example, if people think about it, I don't think it's RIGHT, but I don't think it should be something punishable, only if they act upon it. Sure, I, like most people have a tickling fetish, and probably fantasize about it, even the "bad" stuff, like non-consensual tickling, or whatever else. But, I won't act on it, so no, I don't think I should be punished.

This also brings up the point of pedophiles and how they act. Say I had a child (which I don't) and I knew a pedophile was in town. I knew that he had been through counseling and supposedly could control what he was doing. Would I still want him around my child? No. I don't believe things like this can be cured, and no matter how much self-control there is there is always that risk, and thats a risk most parents don't want to take. I believe with pedophiles there is a level of warning around them. Sort of like you are stuck in the middle. Kinda like you don't go and castrate them and imprison them for thinking something abnormal that arouses them, but you don't just let it go very easily and treat them normally. No matter how open minded people are (or say they are) there is always that air of "watching your back" about.

Anyway, long story short:

I don't think that watching child porn is right. I think it's wrong. But, I think men going out and buying playboys and reading them is right either. As long as they don't act on it, I don't think they should be punished, but I think they should be watched.

I think closed-mindedness should be put in the books as a "disease." Even though it isn't considered a disease, it sure seems to spread like one.

Wow, that was too long.

 

[stacey]

Thank goodness there are some more people taking an open minded approach to this post rather than saying all pedophiles should be castrated or killed.

Saying something of that nature as a member of a fetish community is either stupidity or blatant hypocrisy. Maybe a bit of both.

 

[Whacky Macky]

Thank you, Itsuka and Stacey. You sum up my thoughts perfectly.

 

[syzygy]

Oh boy...

At the risk of being...like crucified or stoned...or some sort of public death, I must ask this question. Would we still be having this conversation if there wasn't any laws saying someone under the age of 18 is illegal. I mean, what if no such law existed. Then of course this wouldn't be perceived as wrong. I'm just saying it's an interesting concept...ughh, now that just makes me sound all pedophile like...well, I hope some people get what I'm saying here...and btw...



I DO NOT CONDONE PEDOPHILIA. It is wrong and immoral. Just plain...what's the word...sick?

 

[LD_Tickler]

If pedophiles should be "watched a little," having committed no crime and having harmed nobody, then so should half of us for our desires.

You all do realize that you could each know some pedophiles and be unaware of it, right? Why do you all seem to equate pedophilia with people who are less likely to control themselves?

 

[Tiger.Lily]

You're seriously confused on what's being said. Your hidden camera analogy is completely out of place. Of course hiding a camera is wrong whether or not its discovered, IT is an action. We're saying feelings and urges are fine, no matter what they are, as long as you control them, IE you don't act on them. We are definitely not saying that you can do what you want as long as nobody realizes it.

As for this "you can choose your sexuality/sexual preferences" doctrine, I have no idea where this came from. Science is fuzzy when it comes to this, but all research findings indicate that sexuality takes shape either biologically or at some early stage in development, or even through trauma. There is absolutely zip, as in no reliable evidence to suggest there's an element of choice. The only things to support that view are self-serving anecdotes used mostly by religious fundamentalist groups to justify gay bashing. Anecdotes aren't reliable. "My cousin Jimmy said he stopped liking women one day" isn't enough to base an argument on, I'm sorry, it just plain isn't. Your cousin Jimmy may be lying, or he may have glossed over the experience, or whatever.

Pedophilia is not a chemical imbalance, it's not a disease, it's not unhealthy. Unhealthy? I can't believe people on this forum - a forum for sexual deviants - dare to use that term when it comes to bizarre sexual tastes. Pedophiles aren't bad people, child molesters are. Having an urge vs acting on that urge is different. That point of pure common sense has been repeated in this thread dozens of times, I can't understand why I still have to mention it.

There is no neurological difference between pedophilia and a tickling fetish. If pedophiles who live productive lives without hurting children are to be condemned as child molesters, then I'm to be condemned as a torturing-rapist for my sexual tastes. And so are many of you.

Also, I want to acknowledge the argument that pedophiles ought to be singled out for their urges, because they can't be trusted not to act on them. People, please think about that for a second. Like I said, I have dark sexual urges. I'm not going to act on them because I have a conscience, just like (yep, you guessed it) many pedophiles. Are we arresting people up because we think they're likely to commit a crime? Who the fuck can make that judgement? Nobody. Just because you have an illegal desire doesn't mean you're dangerous. If it does, then you'd better lock me up, because I have desires up the fucking wazoo.


Also, as furious as I am right now, I'm enjoying this exchange of ideas, so people, please don't be idiots by typing things like "You want kids to be molested, I get it." You know that's not what we're saying. Don't be ignorant dicks.

Perfect.

if youre a pedophile then youre a little bitch and should die and burn in hell

END OF STORY

Genius. No, really. A textbook example of pedophilia and child pornography.

If you can't make a logical statement, or contribute a decent argument, then you're a little bitch and should die and burn in hell. 🙄

 

[xSamanthax]

At the risk of being...like crucified or stoned...or some sort of public death, I must ask this question. Would we still be having this conversation if there wasn't any laws saying someone under the age of 18 is illegal. I mean, what if no such law existed. Then of course this wouldn't be perceived as wrong. I'm just saying it's an interesting concept...ughh, now that just makes me sound all pedophile like...well, I hope some people get what I'm saying here...and btw...

I DO NOT CONDONE PEDOPHILIA. It is wrong and immoral. Just plain...what's the word...sick?

No, it is a good question.

First though, let's remember that pedophilia is about *pre*pubescent children. NOT adolescents (that is pederasty). Pederasty is a much grayer area to me, because biologically speaking, an adolescent is an adult. It is only recently in human history that marriage and childbearing has been so delayed.

Back to true pedophilia. There is an indigenous culture, I believe in Papau New Guinea, who believe that the only way for a boy to grow into a warrior is to consume the semen of an accomplished warrior. They believe a man's semen carries his strenght. It is superstitious of course and appears backwards to us. However, these kids are not traumatized by the sexual activity between them and their mentors. This is not molestation in my eyes.

More to the point, in ancient Japan, Greece and Rome (the last two being the very soul of western civilization), it was not uncommon for older men to have *very* young lovers. Also not molestation in my eyes.

So yes, to some extent our attitude towards children and sex is conditioned by culture/society.

What doesn't seem to change much across cultural lines, across the ages...is the prohibition against rape.

 

[ItsukaHuruyami]

"If pedophiles should be "watched a little," having committed no crime and having harmed nobody, then so should half of us for our desires.

You all do realize that you could each know some pedophiles and be unaware of it, right? Why do you all seem to equate pedophilia with people who are less likely to control themselves?"

Then we should. As much as we try to defend pedophiles, especially ones who have control, the pure and simple truth is that pedophilia is NOT normal. Even if they can't help it, it's not normal. Pedophiles, if they act, can traumatize a child so badly that it isn't curable, even with therapy. Even if there are some of us who have desires and probably could be watched, who's to say they don't need to be? That's all I'm trying to say, that is isn't normal and I think that they need some kind of supervision.

I'm sure I do know some pedophiles, and if I ever find out, I'll be sure to watch them around children.

 

[WorkInProgress]

Allow me to weigh in with a few thoughts here.

First of all, I don't think anybody should be labeled as being anything for what goes on internally inside the mind. In my opinion, actions, not thoughts, are what make someone a sick fuck.

Now, that said, I would still advise persons who get sexual arousals from scenarios involving children to refrain from indulging such fantasies and, if we're talking about really overpowering obsessions or if we're talking about fantasies that could affect one's behavior with children, to get help.

But let me put it into a specific perspective. It has always seemed to me that the reason possession of child pornography is illegal is that, in the case of print or video porn it takes genuine exploitation of children to make it, and thus buying the material represents donating money to the exploiters. At first glance, narrative fiction would not appear to be in that category, but at least some of the stuff that's out there is probably based on real episodes, so even with published stories and websites, there can still be a connection between the material and the action. Even so, it's still the action that's most important, and a person who has internal fantasies and masturbates to them without purchasing or clicking onto exploitative material should not be called a sick fuck, but should merely be advised to be careful.

I would note in passing that, in both spanking and tickling, my web-surfing has brought me to some sites which, on close inspection, have turned out to be precisely where the real sick fucks are. For example, there are websites which purport to be about the use of spanking to discipline children, but which are actually cyber meeting grounds for parents who get off on it. The telltale sign is when you find incidents narrated in great detail. The proprietors of these sites, of course, take care to be untraceable. And I definitely consider it wrong to visit such sites purposefully, because whether money changes hands or not, encouragement certainly does.

 

[LD_Tickler]

As much as we try to defend pedophiles, especially ones who have control, the pure and simple truth is that pedophilia is NOT normal. Even if they can't help it, it's not normal. Pedophiles, if they act, can traumatize a child so badly that it isn't curable, even with therapy. Even if there are some of us who have desires and probably could be watched, who's to say they don't need to be? That's all I'm trying to say, that is isn't normal and I think that they need some kind of supervision.

You're right, they're not normal. The jump from "abnormal" to "dangerous" is where your argument loses cohesion.

IF they act, they're a problem. We all have the capacity for action. I could go shoot my neighbour. A person COULD molest a child. But you have to give people, even people who have stronger inclinations towards action, the benefit of the doubt. You cannot possibly guage at what point a person becomes likely to do something. The fact that they desire something in fantasy does not necessarily make them likely to become criminals. There are too many factors, and that assumption is too speculative.

 

[LD_Tickler]

If you can't make a logical statement, or contribute a decent argument, then you're a little bitch and should die and burn in hell. 🙄

Marry me.

 

[ItsukaHuruyami]

LD, I see your point, but like you said, EVERYONE has the possibility to do something. You're right, you can't gauge the point when someone is likely to do something. All I'm trying to say is that everyone should be kept under some supervision, mainly the law.

 

[Oddball]

Just surprised...

..That this topic is going on for 10 pages. Many posts were very intelligent and well written, others... well... others were a waste of time and space.

I made a simple post closer to the begining becuase I didn't think this thread would have gone so over the top with responses on a seemingly simple topic, but is just shows me, again, how assumptions are bad lol.

As I read over these posts, I see some very odd things, considering how homosexuality was tossed into that mix... which just.. confused me something awful. Hopefully someone won't try to explain it to me, because I don't want to see it, but... who knows, I can't tell what someone will do until they do it. And then I can point that person out and make a little response, unless I manage to kill the thread (which would be awsomesauce)

Oh yes, I know, the irony is not lost on me as I am bumping this thread which will only conitnue it's life, but I just wanted to let my mind ramble into my fingers for a bit.

So, long story short, rape is bad. Acting on urges that harm others, **especially without any clear consent** (for all those S&M/BDSM/tickling/>input any fetish that can cause harm in one way or another here, or hell... just the need to want to make someone feel worthless while the harmer feels like god<)...is all sorts of bad.

Being put on a pedophile list is wrong, but shameful as I am, I am still am for it, because this particular fetish harms not just another person, but specifically children, which are the most vulnerable. As hypocritical as it sounds, they shouldn't (just like us other deviants) be discriminated or hated because of what's going on in their heads, as long as they follow the rules, like anyone else.

Problem is, rules against their particular fetish... for lack of a better word and because I want to make a point, is that it always harms children when acted on... are incredibly heavy, and have been heavy for a long long long long long long time. (Can't say forever, because back in ancient rome, times of knights and the like, men and women would go into sexual acts with children, for one reason or another, and it was perfectly fine.)

*Obviously children can't consent in any form of sexual activity. Don't point that out, I already have, but I'm hoping you got the gist of the idea.*

 

[WorkInProgress]

Just to interject a little tangential side note, I hope you all realize that if the general population ever found out about this board, and then found out that there are people making posts on this board about what is and isn't "normal," there'd be laughter enough to wake the dead--several galaxies over!

 

[Tiger.Lily]

Marry me.

Yes, sir.

Just to interject a little tangential side note, I hope you all realize that if the general population ever found out about this board, and then found out that there are people making posts on this board about what is and isn't "normal," there'd be laughter enough to wake the dead--several galaxies over!

Precisely.

LD, I see your point, but like you said, EVERYONE has the possibility to do something. You're right, you can't gauge the point when someone is likely to do something. All I'm trying to say is that everyone should be kept under some supervision, mainly the law.

Really? So, you're saying that anyone with a potentially harmful fetish should be discriminated against by the general population and kept under lock and key like an animal?

What about those who are into S&M? Or those who get off on knife play? Strangulation? All of those are potentially harmful fetishes and fantasies.

If that doesn't click with you, oh, hell, let's go CRAZY and say a tickling fetish. Have you ever fantasized about tying up a celebrity and tickling them? No? What about another person? Someone who is unconsenting? Even if you don't want to tickle someone unconsenting, what about the mainstream videos that people undoubtedly get off to daily? Most of those people aren't consenting to have their tickle fights looked at as personal porn.

So you look at videos, and you get off to them. But in reality, you would probably never capture a person, tie them up, and tickle torture them without their consent. You wouldn't approach a celebrity on the street and attack their ribs.

I am thoroughly baffled that a FETISH community can really condemn a person for having abnormal thoughts and fantasies. Maybe tickling isn't as immoral as pedophilia, but some of the others are just as harmful - just to a different population. So we throw kids into the mix and suddenly everyone abandons common sense?

For the record, and because I'm sick to death of reading the ignorant threads stating that OMG, RAPEING KID IZ RONG!, there is not one person on this post who has stated anything but that rape and/or molestation is bad. Uh, der.

For the people who aren't getting it as fast as others, I'll break it down into simple terms: ACTION = BAD. THOUGHT = OKAY.

Anyone who says otherwise is being blatantly hypocritical.

Come on, people.

 

[Soda Bobinski]

I am thoroughly baffled that a FETISH community can really condemn a person for having abnormal thoughts and fantasies. ....... So we throw kids into the mix and suddenly everyone abandons common sense?

Thank you.

For the record, and because I'm sick to death of reading the ignorant threads stating that OMG, RAPEING KID IZ RONG!, there is not one person on this post who has stated anything but that rape and/or molestation is bad. Uh, der.

THANK YOU!

Come on, people.

Word.

 

[Paultickler]

for me is more the Tickling like he said, everything about tickling turns me on, so If I saw a playful (not tickle torture) tickle fight between two minor girls, I probably like it, but It doesn't mean I want to have sex with them.

If I saw a 18 or 25 or 30 years old girl being tickled i turned on! So what's the point?

Isn't the same of an 17 years 11 month and 30 days years old girl and a 18 years old one?

 

[Paultickler]

what about people who isn't into tickling

If an adult tickle a kid isn't him/her abusing them?


Because is obvious they are weak as everybody said before!

 

[Paultickler]

And I read about being excited by little kids and adolescents, I want to said that for ANY REASON a kid could turns me on!


But a hot 17 years old model for example...


Damn, there are a lot of examples!

 

[LD_Tickler]

If I saw a 18 or 25 or 30 years old girl being tickled i turned on! So what's the point?

Isn't the same of an 17 years 11 month and 30 days years old girl and a 18 years old one?

I think you're touching on a separate (though valid) issue here. For the purposes of this thread though, I think minors = children defined biologically, like according to whether or not they're pubescent, rather than a purely legal status.

Whether or not the legal "minor" line ought to be drawn at 21, 18, 16... well that's another can of worms.

 

[venray]

ACTION = BAD. THOUGHT = OKAY.

Anyone who says otherwise is being blatantly hypocritical.

Come on, people.

Sorry, but if someone is thinking about molesting my 16 year old daughter, to me that is far from OK.....

Thoughts are not always ok.....some are quite immoral...