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The Last Laugh
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This post makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. I think someone needs a little reality check.
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Hey there Tony. Still struggling with your "addiction" I see.
Aww, shit, we got a troll here!
It's okay, I'll get it this time....where's the troll spray? Thanks TickleMyFancy...nice nylons by the way...
CCSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH................
Okay....I think it's gone.....
Okay, everybody back to discussing....I got a cake in the oven, I'll be back....
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If you're only here to comment on "Trollish" behavior, then please don't participate in the thread.
If it's trolling, then it will be handled by the staff. Everyone knows,or should know, not to feed trolls. And if it's not trolling, you're turning it into trolling by letting the whole thread become about your response to it.
So, if you're not on the topic, move on please 🙂
If it's trolling, then it will be handled by the staff. Everyone knows,or should know, not to feed trolls. And if it's not trolling, you're turning it into trolling by letting the whole thread become about your response to it.
So, if you're not on the topic, move on please 🙂
Actually you basically agree with me, read your own words here:
"Turtleboy accidentally illustrated the problem - these people are committing multiple crimes against multiple people, and they get away with it because they KNOW no one's going
to say shit! "Hi, I make tickle porn videos, and some guy is stealing my clips...." and they hope the cop doesn't investigate THEM, or arrest THEM for producing pornography!"
Sadly we are all addicted to tickling porn here, some are aware of it, some are in denial.
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I take offence at your response. Either this is a forum where we are free to comment (as several have done to the same post) or you need to remove all posts added in response to tttony. You can't just decide to leave the post and then chastise those who respond to it!
I think Jeff means it is not allowed to "snipe" at someone's post saying it is ridiculous without bringing up a constructive argument or opinion to feed the discussion.
Really? Isn't it true you are selling sexual fetish related clips, often viewed by minors, that feed a tickling fetish some people have? Isn't it true you make money on a sexual related fetish some people are affected by (including minors who get scarred for life by your clips)? Who needs a reality check here really?
sclubtickle
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In that case, my constructive response is:
1) No illegal activities are going on here. It is all legitimate under UK law (where tb is based). Last time I checked, it wasn't illegal in the US either. As such, there are no illegal activities outside the scope of the law.
2) If you were Disney or the producer of Harry Potter you would have a large amount of money available to pursue pirates and fund the appropriate legal actions. The producer we are talking about here do not have access to that level of funding. Even the big guys have difficulty dealing with piracy as it such a complex and globally distributed problem.
3) As far as I'm aware, few if any producers make enough money from their clips to use it as their only income. The cost of making professionally produced clips with hired models is probably more than you'd ever imagine. Even then, clips4sale keep at least 40% of the purchase price and the producers pay tax on their income too.
4) I can't comment constructively on any of the other points made as they are completely unsubstantiated. Unless presented with any evidence to back them up, I feel it would be inappropriate to comment on them at all.
Taking things back on topic, what we have in this specific instance is a very focused and targeted criminal campaign against tickle clip producers using another illegal activitiy (credit card fraud) to perpetrate the crime. We have a vendor website which is happy to 40% but is not prepared to put any measures in place to prevent it or take any retrospective actions to investigate the fraud which they actually facilitated in the first place.
The initial post by turtleboy was an attempt to inform people what is actually going on and to explain to those taking advantage of the pirated clips that there is some serious criminal activity going on and that the long term consequences for this specific community could be catastrophic. Whilst I don't think this is the only issue affecting sales of clips, in the current economic environment it is most certainly not going to help.
Thank you for reading. I welcome any constructive responses.
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1-It's unfortunate that minors can potentially view adult material, but that can't be helped, and it's not the producers' fault or responsibility
2-the vast majority of people are most definitely not "scarred for life" by tickling clips. If it's your case, I'm very sorry, but you're the rare exception, not the norm
3-There's nothing illegal about producing and selling ticking clips
See? you can do it if you want.....just kidding 🙂
My constructive responses to your points are:
1)It's illegal to sell porn clips to minors and there's no way to prevent minors to access clips for sale and buy them. In a real life store you can ask for ID like when buying liquors or cigarettes, online you just cant, and that's a fact.
2)I said Disney and Harry Potter, but I meant normal material like cartoons and music clips regardless by how big they are and how much money they make if there is fraud against them they can contact the police or a lawyer without any further problem.
3) We don't really know how much money tickling clips producers make, and that's not the point here either. But if you consider there's 128,635 members on the TMF alone you can get an idea of it (even if 2% of them only buys clips, which I doubt it is so little, you get 2,500 people times approx $10 each clip....you do the math)
So coming here to complain he lost $200 in the last month sounds ridicolous to me.
Ok so you are saying that people who get aroused by watching ticklnig clips are not affected by a sexual related fetish? again, who needs the reality check here?
1- It's unfortunate heroin can kill millions of people, but that can't be helped and it's not the heroin producers' responsibility or fault. Is this the right way of thinking? and don't come to tell me I can't compare heroin or drugs to tickling clips because I certainly can as they both are addicting and can destroy someone's life.
2- Are you in the mind of a 13 yo old boy or girl who accidentally stumbles on one of your clips (available on dailymotion for free anyway) to know he/she won't get scarred for life by watching it?
3- I understand it is a business for you and you only care about selling as many clips as possible (even to minors).
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Wow. Just... wow.
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Actually I can. The reasoning goes like this: There's a difference between discussing something, and just throwing comments back and forth at each other. If you two want to discuss something that you're obviously never going to agree on, and just keep hammering away at it until your ears bleed, far be it from me to try and stop you. But we can't have a discussion that maybe more people than just you two are interested in, devolve into two people trading comments about each other back and forth.
When it gets to that level, I always suggest that people take it to PM, to save the rest of us from having to browse along with it, because this is after all a public discussion. And in practice, I suspect nobody ever does because once it gets pointed out, you realize you didn't really want to be in that kind of exchange anyway.
I know, you didnt realize it was that bad.....
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Whilst I don't fully agree with your reasoning, thank you for a full and frank response.
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I like that the argument is "Theoretically, it can probably happen. Therefore it should be assumed it is happening, that you know it's happening, and that you want it to happen to score more addicts for their wankdrugs!".
Counterpoint, tttony is a failed producer angry at a market he couldn't catch a break in and therefore assumes the "good" producers cheated to make a profit by selling these bonenriffic addictions to 12 year olds.
I say that because, technically, it could be true. Therefore I assume it is.
Counterpoint, tttony is a failed producer angry at a market he couldn't catch a break in and therefore assumes the "good" producers cheated to make a profit by selling these bonenriffic addictions to 12 year olds.
I say that because, technically, it could be true. Therefore I assume it is.
Sure there's a way to prevent minors to access clips for sale and buy them - you have to be 18 to get a credit card. If a minor steals a credit card and uses it to buy stuff he isn't supposed to, that is not the problem of the people who produce the product.
And the problem would be....?
Never heard of tickling clips killing anyone. And if you would like to forbid everything that can destroy someone's life, wow, there wouldn't be a whole lot left! No alcohol, no cigarettes (not that I would care much), no video- or pc games, no internet, no money, no men, no women.....
But, in the end, I think all this has nothing to do in this thread. Why don't you open up your own ranting-thread on how wrong and bad tickling clips are?
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I'm not sure I understand why everyone is trying to prove something to tttony. From what little I've read, it's clear to me that he has no interest in gaining anything from the topic of conversation. If both parties aren't in the discussion to both give and take from the other side, the argument is simply a waste of time. Ignore him. It's of absolutely no use to argue with someone like that.
As for the pirating issue: To all producers, I really wish that there was a better answer, but I think the only answer that is truly worthwhile is to find different means for distributing. This might mean finding a coder to build a more secure website for you, or use a service that will rather prosecute those who commit fraud rather than punish their clients. Those are few and far in between, and worse than that, they're much more expensive than the services you use now. I think its become clear that there's a reason for it.
I understand your POV, I really do. And it's wrong to steal, but if we're honest with ourselves, we would all like to have as much as we want for free. That means that someone is going to try to steal your clips, and then they're going to want to let other people steal it as well, even if just for glory. Try as hard as you like, you'll never be able to prevent human nature, but you can protect yourself from its effects, and that's my advice to you. Your other option is to stop producing. And maybe, if you did, people would then realize the loss of your work and regret. However, the cost would be too great for everyone involved, including you IMHO.
Essentially, what I'm trying to say is that, while I do feel for you, coming to us to tell us about the hardship is unlikely to be of much use. You will persuade some to rethink what they do, but not all, and more come every day. You need to do what is necessary to protect yourself. And, in all honesty and good faith, I wish for you to succeed in finding a way to be profitable at what you do.
My $0.02.
As for the pirating issue: To all producers, I really wish that there was a better answer, but I think the only answer that is truly worthwhile is to find different means for distributing. This might mean finding a coder to build a more secure website for you, or use a service that will rather prosecute those who commit fraud rather than punish their clients. Those are few and far in between, and worse than that, they're much more expensive than the services you use now. I think its become clear that there's a reason for it.
I understand your POV, I really do. And it's wrong to steal, but if we're honest with ourselves, we would all like to have as much as we want for free. That means that someone is going to try to steal your clips, and then they're going to want to let other people steal it as well, even if just for glory. Try as hard as you like, you'll never be able to prevent human nature, but you can protect yourself from its effects, and that's my advice to you. Your other option is to stop producing. And maybe, if you did, people would then realize the loss of your work and regret. However, the cost would be too great for everyone involved, including you IMHO.
Essentially, what I'm trying to say is that, while I do feel for you, coming to us to tell us about the hardship is unlikely to be of much use. You will persuade some to rethink what they do, but not all, and more come every day. You need to do what is necessary to protect yourself. And, in all honesty and good faith, I wish for you to succeed in finding a way to be profitable at what you do.
My $0.02.
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I am glad you posted this as it does illustrate the problem, clearly. Honestly, what incentive is there to continue to contribute good content when people pull this? No matter what business, if you can't yield a comfortable profit, there's really no incentive to keep up with it... so when we say piracy hurts everyone...ultimately...it's good people who enjoy varied tickle video content that will get the harm.
I can tell you from our standpoint, we have contacted the FBI and spoken with an agent and submitted as much supportive evidence as we could. Sure they shut down megaupload and it's a good step, but unless more is done, you will see more and more producers just stop out of disgust and frustration... not trying to be dramatic...just keeping it real.
My suggestion to those who are really looking to stay w/it and fight back... I know some aren't for it, but private sales are a good way to ward off this problem and create accountability to those who do buy so they are far less likely to pull this. Unfortunately, since this also means higher costs, as others have said, some buyers may be turned off where they otherwise would have bought... and it sucks all around...
There is also a company that has offered to provide legal settlement options for those caught pirating the content and downloading it. I think it's a good offensive avenue to pursue since it is offered by a law firm and group with the expertise to help. I know the record companies used them some time ago and sure this may sound a bit extreme, but for those who wish to stay with it, to be frank, a strong response is warranted.
This is just my opinion...some will agree, others not...but it just bothers me to see a good producer like UK and others get screwed over by cheap, selfish, self-entitled a$$holes who feel like the world owes them something...
I can tell you from our standpoint, we have contacted the FBI and spoken with an agent and submitted as much supportive evidence as we could. Sure they shut down megaupload and it's a good step, but unless more is done, you will see more and more producers just stop out of disgust and frustration... not trying to be dramatic...just keeping it real.
My suggestion to those who are really looking to stay w/it and fight back... I know some aren't for it, but private sales are a good way to ward off this problem and create accountability to those who do buy so they are far less likely to pull this. Unfortunately, since this also means higher costs, as others have said, some buyers may be turned off where they otherwise would have bought... and it sucks all around...
There is also a company that has offered to provide legal settlement options for those caught pirating the content and downloading it. I think it's a good offensive avenue to pursue since it is offered by a law firm and group with the expertise to help. I know the record companies used them some time ago and sure this may sound a bit extreme, but for those who wish to stay with it, to be frank, a strong response is warranted.
This is just my opinion...some will agree, others not...but it just bothers me to see a good producer like UK and others get screwed over by cheap, selfish, self-entitled a$$holes who feel like the world owes them something...
I'm not going to respond to all of your assumptions because the aren't worth the time. But I find your belief that tickle producers are making a lot of money off of clips to be laughable.
If we use your shot in the dark at sales, then the tickling industry as a whole makes $25,000 a month. There are 390 clips4sale tickling stores that have been updated within the last year, I'm not even going to count sites like tickletown, etc that operate outside of clips4sale. Since this is all hypothetical and I'm feeling generous, let's say that only 100 stores recieve any sales at all during a guven month. That nets each store $250 each month, before clips4sale takes their cut (I've heard that it may be as high as 30%), before paying models, before paying for equipment and possible hotel rentals, etc. That is hardly a kings ransom and losing $200 does not seem ridiculous.
Again, all of these numbers are pretty much made up but you did ask us to do the math. I just hate it when producers are painted as evil and money hungry. Most of them do it because they enjoy it and not for any steady cash flow.
Lastly, Laugh out Loud has never, as far as I can recall, had any nudity in his clips. If some poor unsuspecting 13 yr old was to happen upon one of his clips (not sure how that would happen anyways) and then decide to watch it (not sure why he or she would if they weren't looking for a tickle clip to begin with) how is the tickle producer to blame for "creating" a tickle fetish within that kid? Tickling occurs in daily life all around people and I find it hard to believe that watching a 5 minute clip of it would force someone to suddenly enjoy something they already wouldn't have.
