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TICKLING PIRACY - YOUR OPINION???

Ok, I have to get in on this. I abolutely love this thread. I think it's very interesting. As far as piracy goes, I am not gonna lie, I have downloaded songs for free before, I can also honestly say that I get most of my music from Best Buy, in other words I buy the CD's, mostly the only time I download songs for free is when I don't feel like the particular CD is worth spending money on. I myself am a musician, not famous yet, not even close, but I plan on getting there some day and I have to admit that I would like to sell a lot of my albums, and I probably would not be very happy to find out that more people are pirating my music than are buying it. I also do see where producers are coming from. A musician is a person that makes their living by making music, therefore, their only source of income is CD's and Tours. Granted they will make a lot going on tour, but their albums play, at least close to as big of a part in it as their concerts. Therefore, if you're pirating their music, you're stopping them from getting that income, thus keeping them from making a living. Now as far as tickling video producers go; I understand that you don't like it when people pirate your videos, and it can hurt you a little bit.. but in my honest opinion, I don't think you should base your living on employment in the fetish video business. If you have many brains, you will know that it is probably going to be next to impossible to actually make a living selling tickling videos. I mean, you would probably have to sell like 100 videos a week in order to even make enough to pay your bills, and that's if they sell for at least $20 each. Chances are; you're never gonna be able to sell enough tickling videos to actually make a living. Also, one idea that I have that might cut down a little on pirating tickling videos is, try making your videos cheaper to the customers. Maybe not charge so much for a meazly tickling video. In my eyes, no tickling video in the world is worth any more than $15, but that's just my opinion. I suppose I could be wrong. Oh yeah, and to illude back to something I said earlier; if you aren't actually making your living off of your tickling videos, in other words, you have a real job as well, then I don't think you should be that worried about piracy. You have another source of income, it's not like you're going to starve because you couldn't sell enough tickling videos.
 
but then why should anyone bother spending their time to make them then if they dont care that they will earn enough from it? Then they might as well just keep their shoots or sessions or w/e you wanna call them private and not bother doing video productions at all...

Then they couldnt make the money to pay their model(s) in the first place or for the production material (ie. video tapes or CDs, camera batteries etc) needed to create it and no fetish material would exist except kinky couples doing home videos for personal use. No fetish media available for those of us not fortunate enough to be directly involved in it ourselves....what a sad existence that would be.
 
I'm sure we all remember the days when, to buy a CD, you had to spent around $20 at Sam Goody or Tower Records.
Those days are still kicking my ass! Ever look at the price for today's "current" music selection in FYE? STILL!! 16-18-20 dollars on TONS of stuff (as in CDs)!



There are a lot of good bits of information to be found in what happened to the Record industry when they were faced with digital media, and the problems that came with it.

However these lessons do not carry over perfectly to smaller media formats like fetish media. The reason being scale, and social opinion.

The money for bands is moving into Live Shows, and stuff sold at them (T-Shirts, etc) this is possible because a liver performance from a band offers a unique and one-time event that appeals to a wide range of individuals. People go to shows and follow bands that have had an impact on them. People exchange cash for the experience.

Fetish media producers operate on a thin edge. They basically need to stay ahead of the piracy by producing a endless stream of new material that paying folk buy for the ease that being able to find safe copies that offer no virus issues or annoying searching they have.
The reason why bands end up selling all their stuff, just from a musician's standpoint, with the shirts, posters, cds, etc, is those bands that do get promoted in stores really have one shot to really get it right. Think about it, a band releases an album once a year at best? Corporations want to pace the bands so that they can promote enough to get the bang for the buck. The bands themselves probably want to release more material (hence why you almost always find there are covers of songs, new pieces of material that never "made it" to the album, etc) more often to make the same effect as the porn producers; releasing as much new material as possible in order to keep people stimulated. How many of the shirts do you really see go from the same band? Not that many. People don't really care. Thats why that classic Metallica "ride the lightening" t-shirt is one of the most popular shirts ever. It goes to show just how many bands really fail to have that much of an effect if a shirt paying tribute to a 20 year old album is still relevant to mainstream music.

I think that the entire retail economy suffers from piracy, but its not going to magically get better by overcharging the shit out of people in order to get the buck's bang! The record businesses have to release more records!

Porn as far as I'm concerned, in most cases is reasonably priced.
 
Ok, I have to get in on this. I abolutely love this thread. I think it's very interesting. As far as piracy goes, I am not gonna lie, I have downloaded songs for free before, I can also honestly say that I get most of my music from Best Buy, in other words I buy the CD's, mostly the only time I download songs for free is when I don't feel like the particular CD is worth spending money on. I myself am a musician, not famous yet, not even close, but I plan on getting there some day and I have to admit that I would like to sell a lot of my albums, and I probably would not be very happy to find out that more people are pirating my music than are buying it. I also do see where producers are coming from. A musician is a person that makes their living by making music, therefore, their only source of income is CD's and Tours. Granted they will make a lot going on tour, but their albums play, at least close to as big of a part in it as their concerts. Therefore, if you're pirating their music, you're stopping them from getting that income, thus keeping them from making a living. Now as far as tickling video producers go; I understand that you don't like it when people pirate your videos, and it can hurt you a little bit.. but in my honest opinion, I don't think you should base your living on employment in the fetish video business. If you have many brains, you will know that it is probably going to be next to impossible to actually make a living selling tickling videos. I mean, you would probably have to sell like 100 videos a week in order to even make enough to pay your bills, and that's if they sell for at least $20 each. Chances are; you're never gonna be able to sell enough tickling videos to actually make a living. Also, one idea that I have that might cut down a little on pirating tickling videos is, try making your videos cheaper to the customers. Maybe not charge so much for a meazly tickling video. In my eyes, no tickling video in the world is worth any more than $15, but that's just my opinion. I suppose I could be wrong. Oh yeah, and to illude back to something I said earlier; if you aren't actually making your living off of your tickling videos, in other words, you have a real job as well, then I don't think you should be that worried about piracy. You have another source of income, it's not like you're going to starve because you couldn't sell enough tickling videos.

I'm sure most of us have jobs, but it's called supplemental income. I'm not making a living doing this, but the extra money helps. If I'm not making money (or if I'm losing money) I'll stop. Also, most of us use clips4sale to sell our videos, which forces us to charge by the minute. In order to make prices cheaper we would have to create our own websites and process our own payments, which is a HUGE expense. I talked to a web designer about it and his prices were around $1000/month.

Basically you're trying to justify the fact that you steal by saying that tickling producers have normal jobs and will be fine. You know it's theft, and so do I. Sure, I used to download music in college (everyone did), but deep down I knew my actions were wrong. There may not be immediate consequences, but no good can come from taking something that you didn't pay for. I pay full price for all of my music now.

Producers like Czech and Ticke Abuse will be fine. I'm sure they make enough so that the cost of piracy doesn't weight them down too much (doesn't make it right though). The smaller producers are the ones that are going to stop, and you're seeing that already.
 
Asserting that theft is absolutely wrong, or debating the finer details of what exactly constitutes theft in the first place is a spiral that piracy discussions tend to fall into. It's pretty tedious to be honest. In essence, these issues are totally irrelevant in terms of finding a solution to the piracy related problems that can potentially smother the growth of small online businesses in particular. In my opinion, the best way to approach anything you consider to be a problem is by first isolating the source of said problem and then coming up with a potential solution - anything else (moral indignation in particular) is a complete waste of time.

In order to make prices cheaper we would have to create our own websites and process our own payments, which is a HUGE expense. I talked to a web designer about it and his prices were around $1000/month.

Seems like banding together with other producers and starting up a co-operative website to catalogue/distribute your clips would be a great solution to that problem 🙂 Worth consideration surely?
 
Producers like Czech and Ticke Abuse will be fine. I'm sure they make enough so that the cost of piracy doesn't weight them down too much (doesn't make it right though). The smaller producers are the ones that are going to stop, and you're seeing that already.

I don't know what the numbers are for clips, but... the guys who made World of Goo (a very successful/popular indie video game) ran the numbers and discovered that about 95% of people playing Goo were playing a hacked copy.

95%. To an indie developer, that's an insane amount of lost revenue.
 
one idea that I have that might cut down a little on pirating tickling videos is, try making your videos cheaper to the customers. Maybe not charge so much for a meazly tickling video.

If a producer sells through C4S, which is probably the case for most of us, there's a limit to how cheap clips can be sold. The C4S system imposes a minimum price for a clip of a given duration. For example, the minimum price is $4.99 for 4 minutes, $5.99 for 5 minutes, $6.99 for 7 minutes, $8.99 for 10 minutes.... The minimum price per minute does go down as clips get longer, and I think is doesn't go much higher than $15 or $16. But not everyone sells very long clips. Mine are almost all between 4 and 10 minutes long. As much as I'd like to sell some of them for less, C4S doesn't allow it. I wrote them about this once, arguing that since the clips belong to me I should be able to sell them for whatever price I want. But they seem happy with the system as it it.

I do sell longer clips, a few of them being as long as 60 minutes. But those are repackaged footage, like all the individual scenes of a shoot combined into one clip, for instance. Or all the clips that feature a specific ticklee. This does allow me to sell longer clips for what I believe are perfectly reasonable prices. But I still wish I could sell my shorter clips for less. I hate the limited freedom I have when it comes to selling my own material.

if you aren't actually making your living off of your tickling videos, in other words, you have a real job as well, then I don't think you should be that worried about piracy. You have another source of income, it's not like you're going to starve because you couldn't sell enough tickling videos.

So you're saying we shouldn't worry that people are stealing clips that take a lot of our time and money to produce? Why should we even bother selling clips at all, then? It's like saying that I shouldn't worry about my employer screwing me out of $200 per month because the loss of income won't be so bad that I'll starve to death. Yeah, that make sense.

As ZenTickling said, just because we don't make a living from our clip sales doesn't mean the extra money doesn't help. I do have a full-time job, but the few hundred dollars I make each month selling clips help me pay back my student loans. As much as I enjoy tickling, I don't see why I should go through all the trouble and frustration that this business involves if I don't make some profit from it. If some producers are fine with breaking even or even losing money as long as they get their tickling fix, then good for them. But I'm afraid that's just not enough for me.
 
I don't know what the numbers are for clips, but... the guys who made World of Goo (a very successful/popular indie video game) ran the numbers and discovered that about 95% of people playing Goo were playing a hacked copy.

95%. To an indie developer, that's an insane amount of lost revenue.

I'm not sure the World of Goo case is an example of piracy hurting a small business in the long run to be honest 🙂 When it was released; World of Goo was a great game packaged in a tiny, totally unencrypted exe file that required no crack to use, and was trivial to upload/distribute - It was inevitably 0day pirated and everywhere in hours. There is absolutely no way to accurately state how many people are playing a pirated copy, because of the way the initial file was unencrypted, but more importantly there is no way to know how many people would have paid for the pirated game anyway.

Either way, the devs have turned the mass popularity of their game to their advantage, put the game on Steam (a platform that has conquered piracy rife Russia with it's ingenuitive business model) where it is doing great and on sale in the latest of Steam's awesome sales for $3 as we speak. Low price, high quality can and often does mean less piracy, more profit when it comes to music, software and apps.

At the risk of repeating myself - the guys that thrive on the net are not those who protest about things they cannot change or control, but those who think outside of the box and implement clever solutions to problems. Meritocracy in action 🙂
 
At the risk of repeating myself - the guys that thrive on the net are not those who protest about things they cannot change or control, but those who think outside of the box and implement clever solutions to problems. Meritocracy in action 🙂

And your ideas for clever "out of the box" solutions for us tickling video producers are?.... Options are quite limited, especially for the smaller players in this business. Most of us don't even have the resources to create pay sites, let alone revolutionize the market.
 
I'm not sure the World of Goo case is an example of piracy hurting a small business in the long run to be honest 🙂 When it was released; World of Goo was a great game packaged in a tiny, totally unencrypted exe file that required no crack to use, and was trivial to upload/distribute - It was inevitably 0day pirated and everywhere in hours. There is absolutely no way to accurately state how many people are playing a pirated copy, because of the way the initial file was unencrypted, but more importantly there is no way to know how many people would have paid for the pirated game anyway.

Either way, the devs have turned the mass popularity of their game to their advantage, put the game on Steam (a platform that has conquered piracy rife Russia with it's ingenuitive business model) where it is doing great and on sale in the latest of Steam's awesome sales for $3 as we speak. Low price, high quality can and often does mean less piracy, more profit when it comes to music, software and apps.

Point taken that World of Goo wasn't exactly hurt in the long run, but to be honest, it's just the "you're not going to starve to death so you don't need that extra revenue anyway" argument that was put forth on page two. It's also a matter of fact that regardless of how encrypted the game was or wasn't, given the choice between free shit and paying for shit, people prefer free shit.

That, and I dunno if you've ever explored the various options available for encrypting your game, but I have. Some of the more popular packages are pretty expensive, and there's always the problem that they're not compatible with many customers' computers. I, personally, can't run The Sims, Civ IV, or Spore without rebooting my computer with the CD in the drive because the copy protection refuses to let my drive ID the disc.

So regardless of cost, I can see why a developer might opt to not encrypt their game; it limits/inconveniences the market willing to pay for it, while the pirates have no such problems. After all, any encryption method used on a particular title is usually cracked by the second day of release.

Regardless, very few of these methods would work for video distribution... which leaves incentivizing the customer to pay in other ways - except that the customer base for tickling videos has pretty proven to be a bunch of greedy, petty fucknuts who cry and whine no matter what you give them for their buck... or for free, for that matter.
 
Ok, let me rephrase my previous remarks: I don't agree with piracy by any means, but what I think is; the main reason anybody makes tickling videos is because they have a tickling fetish, which means that they enjoy what they do. If you enjoy tickling so much, then can't you just be happy that you get to do it and not be so upset about not making quite as much money as you'd like? I understand that you (the producers) don't appreciate people pirating your videos, and I can see where you're coming from, but don't you have a tickling fetish yourself? Don't you enjoy making these videos? There's and old saying I'd like to share with you: "If you love what you do, you'll never work a day in your life." Now, you have said that you do have full time jobs that you make a living from. I do understand that the extra money helps, but it's not the end of the world if a couple people download one or two of your videos for free. Now, if everybody was downloading all of your videos for free, then that would be bad, but it seems to me that the people pirating your videos are a minority (correct me if I'm wrong).
I guess the main thing I don't understand is; if you love tickling/have a tickling fetish yourself, then why would you be in the tickling business just for the money? Don't you enjoy the tickling? Why can't you be happy that you get to do it at all? I for one would be very happy if I could tickle that many women. I would definitely not be in it for the money. My answer to "why would I do it if I wasn't gonna make a profit?" is, you would do it because you enjoy tickling. That's why. The point is; if you are in it just for the money, then maybe you should get into a different business. I don't feel like the tickling business is the kind of business that's meant for money makers. It's meant for people that like tickling. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
 
TicklishRocker, making a clip like that is not as much fun and games as you think! Most of the time, the producer doesn't even tickle himself. For most it's not a "Oh cool, today I'll get my jollies off"-thing! If it was, they could just do it privately for themselves and wouldn't even have to sell any clips!
 
I guess the main thing I don't understand is; if you love tickling/have a tickling fetish yourself, then why would you be in the tickling business just for the money? Don't you enjoy the tickling? Why can't you be happy that you get to do it at all? I for one would be very happy if I could tickle that many women. I would definitely not be in it for the money.

...because as the video producers keep saying, and no one is listening to them, that making a video is a rather large amount of work. You're so busy trying to get everything right, because if you don't God knows the community will start umpteen threads about how much you suck and that you're ripping them off because you held a close shot on the model's feet for two seconds longer than they like it, that whatever pleasure you get out of tickling the model (...and lest we forget, most producers employ other ticklers because customers either bitch about seeing the producer's "ugly mug" on camera, or they want F/F, or whatever) doesn't outweigh all of the business stuff that has to be done, and once it's all over with and the video's out, you get the satisfaction of seeing it pirated instead of people paying for it.

The only real novelty to making a video, unless you're truly a one-man operation, is that the tickling is happening in the same room as you are. Whee.

So at the end of the day, after all that hassle, and complaining, instead of $400, you've made $1.87 - but hey, at least you got to touch a real live girl. Maybe.

I don't make videos. I've tickled models. It's a lot more enjoyable if you're not dealing with the filming aspects. I know it's hard to comprehend, since so many people around here are so desperate for action that they think they wouldn't care, but really. It's an entirely different ballpark.

And ultimately, again, this argument boils down to "you should just make videos and let me watch them for free, because you don't need the money." And that's a retardedly selfish, lazy argument, IMHO. "I don't want to pay for shit so you should just give it to me." Entitlement fail.
 
And your ideas for clever "out of the box" solutions for us tickling video producers are?.... Options are quite limited, especially for the smaller players in this business. Most of us don't even have the resources to create pay sites, let alone revolutionize the market.
I've been a musician and have worked with or alongside environs involving media production all of my life so let's just say I do understand and sympathise, and I know it's difficult for the little guy to implement high cost or manpower intensive solutions.

However, there are things you and other guys on here could potentially do to help you earn more for your work - such as pooling resources and forming a joint venture website to share the burden of overheads and operational costs. I'm certain that removing the cut that the clips4sale middleman system takes and affording each individual producer much more control with respect to how their work is delivered to the customer would both be very welcome. Depending on how much free time you have, learning and taking on some aspect of the web development side of your own site could save you a lot of money in the long run with this too.

Truth be told, I think clips4sale is both the enabler and the main problem for a lot of producers. It effectively allows people to become producers and create a storefront overnight, with very little more than a camera and a ModelMayhem account required, which is great in some respects ...but it's inherently limiting and a lot of innovative possibilities and business models only open up when you have full control over your work. Mobile app developers are often in a similar boat to the producers on here, where they have invested a deal of personal time and money and their work can be ripped off incredibly easily - so many sell their apps for a few dollars each knowing that impulse buying is exponentially more likely this way. It often means comparably higher profits for them even though the individual unit price is markedly lower - 1000x$3 is always going to be more than 10x$30 (no condescension intended 😀). The "freemium" business model is also an option for those with full control over their work, whereby part of the software/website functionality can be accessed for free (say 10% of each clip, only the images section, subscribe to remove ads etc.) and then the rest of the content can be accessed for consumers willing to pay a given fee. I'm sure these ideas can be adapted for producers here and I'm equally sure that there are other potential solutions that would work well for you guys that you can come up with 🙂

Point taken that World of Goo wasn't exactly hurt in the long run, but to be honest, it's just the "you're not going to starve to death so you don't need that extra revenue anyway" argument that was put forth on page two. It's also a matter of fact that regardless of how encrypted the game was or wasn't, given the choice between free shit and paying for shit, people prefer free shit.

Well, lost revenue and units pirated are two very different things... but I agree that people who pirate stuff they would have otherwise bought, under the guise that it isn't hurting anybody's wallet, are kidding themselves. However, like you say, if somebody has the choice of paying or not paying... people will often take the free option and there is zero point protesting at or trying to change that aspect of human nature. I wasn't talking about SecuROM or any kind of file based encryption when I was referring to World Of Goo by the way, it didn't even require a product key or online registration ...it was simply nothing more than a tiny install and run exe file 😛

That, and I dunno if you've ever explored the various options available for encrypting your game, but I have ... I can see why a developer might opt to not encrypt their game; it limits/inconveniences the market willing to pay for it, while the pirates have no such problems. After all, any encryption method used on a particular title is usually cracked by the second day of release.

Yup, I'm well versed in the plethora of awful DRM encryption methods that can be used - none of them work at doing anything useful in terms of halting piracy and I won't have most of them anywhere near my rig. Draconian DRM usage does nothing but encourage piracy in my eyes. Ingenious and non-intrusive methods such as Steam, Netflix, iPlayer and some ad-based music streaming services have been incredibly successful - it's all in the implementation and another example of the internet rewarding elegant solutions to problems 🙂

Regardless, very few of these methods would work for video distribution... which leaves incentivizing the customer to pay in other ways - except that the customer base for tickling videos has pretty proven to be a bunch of greedy, petty fucknuts who cry and whine no matter what you give them for their buck... or for free, for that matter.

Well there are certainly options that I believe can help producers here, but I do think there is an element where both producers and consumers are jaded towards each other - sometimes for good reason, other times not.

With respect to the vidclips forum, I think some of the occasional ungrateful/bad attitude and harshness stems from a certain element of "fuck you for commercialising my fetish", which is something that has cropped up in the past five or so years due of the influx of multi-fetish/porn producers that likely do not have a tickle fetish, nor understand it particularly well and can sometimes appear to be more interested in cynically popping out dollar per minute clips4sale vids with the latest turnstyle "fetish models" and bumping their clips up in the vidclip section with inane replies to months old posts than actually producing anything more than mediocre churn. In short, people tend to be more gracious towards into the guys they perceive as giving a shit about the community here. Of course, there's a vocal minority of both fawns and fools in the vidclip section, as well as the occasional troll - but to put it into perspective, there's over 1200 unique users online right now - the vast majority of which I have never seen conversing in the vidclip section and all of which are potential customers. Producers that get irate about criticism, warranted or otherwise, from that section of the site have to remember that and hopefully with a little hard work, sales will speak for themselves 🙂
 
I am just starting out and thankfully I am able to do this for fun. Meaning, as long as I break even then I should be ok for a while. This business is not a get rich quick or for some even a get rich at all scheme. I edit video and things of such in my spare time. I also am a computer technician by career and work on servers, networks and routing etc... It is quite costly for a small business to setup shop by itself without putting a bunch of cash up front.

Still piracy is wrong, it will always be around. We as producers either have to learn to either deal with it, fight it legally or just get out of dodge. Just my .02. Although I would love to make a lot of money one day off of this. I am more realistic and just enjoy putting quality work out there that I like and I approve of selling to you folks.
 
Napster anyone? Oh wait! They aren't around anymore I think in all seriousness piracy is of course not a good thing. Yet in the case of downloading a $500 software program for free vs paying for it then I think most would go the former. There really is no regulating pirates for they will always be around
 
And ultimately, again, this argument boils down to "you should just make videos and let me watch them for free, because you don't need the money." And that's a retardedly selfish, lazy argument, IMHO. "I don't want to pay for shit so you should just give it to me." Entitlement fail.

I have to agree with this, it sums up the discussion in a nutshell. Furthermore, I've never understood the notion that if you enjoy doing something it's wrong to be compensated, which is something producers have been told since at least the late '90's: as a minor producer myself I've heard everything from "Stop making money off our fetish!" to my favorite, "If only I could make videos and tickle lots of pretty girls, I'd never expect to get paid!" Right, because models and quality cameras fall off trees if you just love your kink enough 🙄. Fellas, when a producer frets about piracy, it's rarely because they're "just in it for the money". There's quite a large area between doing something only for profit and simply wanting folks to pay for the work you've done (even if you...wait for it...enjoyed that work 😱). As has been said many times, few enter the fetish vid business with the expectation of becoming wealthy; in fact it's usually a side-gig to supplement income from their full-time work. That doesn't mean that vid income is less important, or they wouldn't have needed a side-job in the first place. Car payments, student loans, mortgages...you name it and producers are using their "extra" income to cover it these days, and when you pirate their work you're lifting right out of their pockets no matter how you justify it to yourself and others. Even the most altruistic producer has to pay for their models and the other expenses that go into creating their work; piracy impedes paying for all of that and being able to put a little into savings to live and to (gasp!) *make more videos*, which is all the average producer wants to do.
 
I don't really have any comments on this, just have to say that I am pretty amazed at the type of opinions that people have expressed throughout this thread.
 
I don't really have any comments on this, just have to say that I am pretty amazed at the type of opinions that people have expressed throughout this thread.

You're amazed that a piracy discussion can actually comprise more than "herp derp theft is wrong" vs. "herp derp piracy is great for free stuffs"? Not really sure what you are getting at 🙂
 
wanting folks to pay for the work you've done
Work? Really? Yeah, because tickling women is such hard work. I'm sure they're very tired after a long hard day of tickling women.

Now, about the cameras and such. Let me explain something to you; these people that make tickling videos (at least 9 times out of 10) have a tickling fetish themselves. Therefore, the reason why they do what they do is because they like it. They payed for those cameras and they payed those models because they wanted to tickle them and/or watch someone else tickle them. Therefore, from what a lot of you are saying; we are paying for their fetish. It would be like if I charged people to watch me play my guitar because I need to make up for the money I payed for the guitar. I'm the one that wanted to play the guitar so it's not their job to pay for my hobby. As far as the models go; why don't you just find women here on the TMF (and over on TT) to tickle? That way you won't have to pay them because they like being tickled, in other words, they will let you tickle them just because they like being tickled. What I'm saying there is; the reason the models charge you to tickle them is because they're not into tickling, therefore, they wil not just let you tickle them for free. In other words, the only reason they even do the tickling video thing is because they need the money. In other words, they charge you because they really don't wanna be tickled. That wouldn't be the case with the women you find on TMF and TT, they are into tickling, they want you to tickle them. Therefore, they won't charge you. You will have free models. There, that takes care of the model thing.
 
Work? Really? Yeah, because tickling women is such hard work. I'm sure they're very tired after a long hard day of tickling women.

Now, about the cameras and such. Let me explain something to you; these people that make tickling videos (at least 9 times out of 10) have a tickling fetish themselves. Therefore, the reason why they do what they do is because they like it. They payed for those cameras and they payed those models because they wanted to tickle them and/or watch someone else tickle them. Therefore, from what a lot of you are saying; we are paying for their fetish. It would be like if I charged people to watch me play my guitar because I need to make up for the money I payed for the guitar. I'm the one that wanted to play the guitar so it's not their job to pay for my hobby. As far as the models go; why don't you just find women here on the TMF (and over on TT) to tickle? That way you won't have to pay them because they like being tickled, in other words, they will let you tickle them just because they like being tickled. What I'm saying there is; the reason the models charge you to tickle them is because they're not into tickling, therefore, they wil not just let you tickle them for free. In other words, the only reason they even do the tickling video thing is because they need the money. In other words, they charge you because they really don't wanna be tickled. That wouldn't be the case with the women you find on TMF and TT, they are into tickling, they want you to tickle them. Therefore, they won't charge you. You will have free models. There, that takes care of the model thing.
1. I take it you have a tickle fetish, so why don't you do what the producers do?
2. I don't need a camera to tickle a woman
3. Many women here don't want to be used as a spank bank, which unarguably 99% of the clips made result as such
4. Im not giving my opinion on illegal downloads
 
Work? Really? Yeah, because tickling women is such hard work. I'm sure they're very tired after a long hard day of tickling women.

Now, about the cameras and such. Let me explain something to you; these people that make tickling videos (at least 9 times out of 10) have a tickling fetish themselves. Therefore, the reason why they do what they do is because they like it. They payed for those cameras and they payed those models because they wanted to tickle them and/or watch someone else tickle them. Therefore, from what a lot of you are saying; we are paying for their fetish. It would be like if I charged people to watch me play my guitar because I need to make up for the money I payed for the guitar. I'm the one that wanted to play the guitar so it's not their job to pay for my hobby. As far as the models go; why don't you just find women here on the TMF (and over on TT) to tickle? That way you won't have to pay them because they like being tickled, in other words, they will let you tickle them just because they like being tickled. What I'm saying there is; the reason the models charge you to tickle them is because they're not into tickling, therefore, they wil not just let you tickle them for free. In other words, the only reason they even do the tickling video thing is because they need the money. In other words, they charge you because they really don't wanna be tickled. That wouldn't be the case with the women you find on TMF and TT, they are into tickling, they want you to tickle them. Therefore, they won't charge you. You will have free models. There, that takes care of the model thing.

Rockstar, there are a lot of problems with what you just wrote, and as somebody who has never shot a video before, i can kind'a see why you might think what you wrote makes sense. I have never shot a video before, but this is my opinion from what i've read and been told from by people who have done the videos.

Yes, there is work involved. People who run these business have to advertise for models, do interviews, do the filming process and edit as needed. While we might see a 10 minute clip, hours of work go into creating those clips.

Second, yes, they are doing something they enjoy, but they are also conducting a business. They want to make money, as do the models. Even the models who do enjoy tickling want to make money, because this is generally how they make a living, either part time or full time. Video equipement and software can be expensive, and so is the bondage equipement that is bought, as well as if they need to rent a studio to shoot the videos in.

As far as recording people from the community, while it has happened, I don;t believe there is an overwhelming amount of people who would be willing to model for the clips and have them posted on the internet for people to see. Most people like their privacy. On top of this, some people are very picky about the clips they buy, myself included. Generally speaking, I want my models to reach a certain point on some scales, both of ticklishness and attractiveness. If those aren't met, I won't buy the clip. Producers know this, hence why they hire models. On top of this, their is a geographical problem as well. You might have people who are both attractive and ticklish, and would love to be n a video, but they could be anywhere. The tickling fetish is not so large that you'll find 10,000 people in NYC who are atttactive, ticklish, and willing to be filmed.

In an ideal world your post makes sense, but sadly it doesn't work so well with things the way they are.
 
Work? Really? Yeah, because tickling women is such hard work. I'm sure they're very tired after a long hard day of tickling women.

Yes, it fucking is! 😀 I'm not taking the piss here, TR, it is fucking knackering. After a tickling session I am left with arm cramps for fucking hours, if not a day, that requires much chucking back of paracetamol. I know she's been doing what looks like the hardest work, lying there, helpless and tied while I try and find where her worst spots are and then spending as much time as possible on them, but the tickler shares a lot of muscle movement in this... "joint enterprise"... 😀

Not that I've ever done it professionally of course, but I've made videos with models (three of them) and had sessions with tickle friends. Nothing is more tiring, in my experience.


By the way... it's P-A-I-D. 😀

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