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What happened to C.A.B?
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General Zod
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SamuelKhan
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Despite what happened that led to his departure, it is a huge loss. The man is far more talented than I could ever be.
milagros317
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It is sad to lose him here.
But at least I can still his work on Deviant Art.
Sandrock74
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No one seems to be asking the important question: Who is going to win the Golden Feather award every year now??
3xPIN
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As I roll my eyes.
I'm kinda bummed to see him go, but his work was getting a little weird. Y'know, relatively.
ticklephehe
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I think at times the other forums in here like the video section invites and stimulate pedophile thought by for what ever reason stating that models are "barely legal" what is the point in making that reference?
Since Pedophiles are attracted to people who have yet to go through puberty, "Barely Legal" is still a far cry from pedophilia. As for the reason of making the reference, their are probably a lot of reasons. Some people like the whole "Forbidden fruit" concept, there is also the "virgin" idea. Some people simply like their models young, and others might feel that having a model so young reminds them of their own high school years. That being said, we are drifting from the main topic of the post, and we can start a new thread somewhere else if you like, or talk through messages if you want to continue the conversation.
As for the main topic of the thread, while I didn't agree with CAB politically, I did enjoy some of his comics. As a writer, I can understand the desire not to be censored, and why he chose to do what he did. I wish him the best of luck with his art in the future.
laughinggaszone
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I don't know. A lot of guys like young girls without them being pedophiles. It's one reason why some men leave their older wives for younger women. Also, you have to realize that getting convicted In the US for having sex with a minor can vary from state to state depending upon what the legal age is in that state. The youngest is 16. So, 16-18 is the grey area. I think that the "barely legal" thing is used A LOT in porn, in general, and it's titillating for a lot of guys. I personally never found extremely young women attractive. Mostly because the ones I met were relatively immature. It's one reason I hired models in their 20's and not those "barely legals". I'm sure I was missing out on creating some videos that would have sold like hotcakes, but I wasn't interested in it. But those producers who do use young, but legal, models or like slapping the "barely legal" banner on their video are, in my opinion, just using a gimmick. It's like our laughing gas thing. It's not and never has been real. It's just a thing that some people like. Same with "barely legal" and in my opinion is not a slippery slope to true pedophilia or child porn.
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Seeing the term "pedophile" misused a lot here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
A lot of porn consumers fall into the latter category. They are not pedophiles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ephebophilia
A lot of porn consumers fall into the latter category. They are not pedophiles.
I don't want to get too involved in the argument (I just looked at the thread to see if C.A.B. was going to be releasing any more work and found out that he's gone), but I want to point out that I'm sure there is a pretty large gap between people who like erotic artwork of Rikku from FFX and people who kidnap and rape children. And you don't have to engage in any-o-philia to recognize that.
Honestly, I don't even care much barely legal porn, I think a woman looks best in her late 20's early 30's.
However liking younger but fully physically mature women is perfectly natural. Honestly, it is a lot more natural than the tickle fetish we all have. I've noticed that there is almost a sort of overcompensation by many on TMF in this area that I've not seen other places, and I can't help but wonder if it is a mechanism to feel better about having a fetish that can be embarrassing.
I'm a fan of a large majority of his work. Most of it never gave me the impression of him actively trying to get away with this rule, though, he does enjoy and was influenced by art that came from youthful material. When you are steeped through your life in past fantasies, they're part of who you are. What you become. They imprint to a degree. That's what was happening here, I think, with the vibe of the youthful content over time. A tribute to what kept you company in one's youth. It's definitely not everyone's cup of tea (I enjoy all aspects of my fetishism to steer towards the adult laced side like Shadow for lots of reasons), but I understand there are those who have a different mindset. That mindset doesn't always equate to automatic pedophilia/pedophile and that's what gets me about this.
From his perspective, you're a longstanding member who may have occasionally disturbed and pushed limits, but you actively made a point over the years to stick to this exact rule.You provided insane amounts of non-rule breaking free content, pushed what could be done and breathed years of activity into a forum that has a tendency to lull. Years of character to pull from. And that means nothing. That would make me upset too, if I were in his shoes. If I were a potential contributor onlooking, I'd second guess diving in.
You guys did what you had to do to uphold a system and avoid a youth red flag. It wasn't easy and favoritism is out. I get that. But it seems like this could've been avoided on both sides and it could've been handled a little classier rather than suggest pedophilia in a public thread after his departure. He could've not reacted rashly. But here we are. No matter how you slice it, it's unfortunate all around and could've been avoided jointly (if not now, coming to terms in the past). Difference of opinions or not, losing the overall contribution and spirit over a rabbit debate seems a shame.
From his perspective, you're a longstanding member who may have occasionally disturbed and pushed limits, but you actively made a point over the years to stick to this exact rule.You provided insane amounts of non-rule breaking free content, pushed what could be done and breathed years of activity into a forum that has a tendency to lull. Years of character to pull from. And that means nothing. That would make me upset too, if I were in his shoes. If I were a potential contributor onlooking, I'd second guess diving in.
You guys did what you had to do to uphold a system and avoid a youth red flag. It wasn't easy and favoritism is out. I get that. But it seems like this could've been avoided on both sides and it could've been handled a little classier rather than suggest pedophilia in a public thread after his departure. He could've not reacted rashly. But here we are. No matter how you slice it, it's unfortunate all around and could've been avoided jointly (if not now, coming to terms in the past). Difference of opinions or not, losing the overall contribution and spirit over a rabbit debate seems a shame.
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That's absolute total crap.
He chose to leave. He chose to have everything pulled down. And myriads and the like chose to give him the ability to make his posts private, a luxury that isn't afforded to anyone else. He could've pulled the work and left it posted on tumblr, or some other form. He didn't. He threw a big hissy fit and left.
Everyone here going on and on about how much of a shame this is...you do realize that the results of what happened are on him and him alone, right? "We lost..." when, in fact, you're trying to glorify a man who acted like a petulant child and, when faced with the rules, though he was above anyone else and that exceptions should be made for him, and hell, even upon departure, those were made, well, because.
Stop trying to create a version of history that turns the guy into a martyr.
He chose to leave. He chose to have everything pulled down. And myriads and the like chose to give him the ability to make his posts private, a luxury that isn't afforded to anyone else. He could've pulled the work and left it posted on tumblr, or some other form. He didn't. He threw a big hissy fit and left.
Everyone here going on and on about how much of a shame this is...you do realize that the results of what happened are on him and him alone, right? "We lost..." when, in fact, you're trying to glorify a man who acted like a petulant child and, when faced with the rules, though he was above anyone else and that exceptions should be made for him, and hell, even upon departure, those were made, well, because.
Stop trying to create a version of history that turns the guy into a martyr.
Uhhhhhh. If you read it fully, I stated both parties left things to be desired in my taste. I'm not interested in any kind of martyrdom for him and I'm not sweating it because its over and what had to be done was done. And you can relax a bit. I don't care either way if you can't stand the guy. I just think its poor form to call him pedophilic as he leaves. Doesn't seem very unbiased and future artists might glance at that and think twice. That's all.
Lauren Tyler
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It's been explained numerous times what happened, why don't we just drop it and move on? There's nothing else to be gained here.
Except you're rewriting what happened to make it seemed like he was forced out when the reality is he pitched a baby fit and left because he didn't get special treatment for what was determined to be breaking the rules as a admin sits here and says he personally believed he should be given that special treatment, and then sweeping his entire post history which is something that isn't done for other people save Misstoegoddess, and that's because she was getting stalked.
What wasn't handled correctly? The application of the rules? Because those have been applied to everyone for years.
Or was it them pulling aged content and CAB throwing a temper tantrum over his artistic integrity and vision being violated by this censorship? Because his leaving was completely his choice.
The only thing done wrong from an administrative level is myriads undermining the moderation team by forcing them to take the onus of what occurred by absolving himself, and also affording CAB the luxury of privatizing his posting history, which is practically unprecedented in the history of this forum.
I believe his works were deleted to avoid any copyright issues. As there were quite a few of them, it was probably more expedient to just dump everything, rather than sorting discussion posts vs. artwork.
They should think twice. Maybe if there were more thought put into CABs work and the interpretation, explanation, and enforcement of the rules, we wouldn't be discussing the temper tantrums of a 50 year old man over his ability to sexualize animated childrens characters.
Myriads
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I'll clarify a few misinterpretations you've made here.
I, Myriads, have at no point said that C.A.B. should get 'special treatment'. I made a moderation call on the post based on the research I did about the content, and active staff did the same and came to a different conclusion. Basically humans looked at the info, and came out with different results. More of them held the view that opposed the one I had. So The post went down.
There was nothing special about this treatment. It's exactly what has been applied to dozens of posts in the past year or two, hundreds over the history of the forum. It's the same policy we apply to GR violations, and other such in the non content areas of the forum, and posts have remained and gone from lots of members, C.A.B. and some folks in this thread (and in both directions, stayed went) Each case is handled one at a time.
Why did all of C.A.B.'s posts vanish? Because he requested that his art be removed, which is his right under his copyrights. If it was a matter of me closing his archive, and skimming thru art to pick the works out it would be one thing, but C.A.B.'s works were all over the site, in posts in every forum, and with thousands of posts, the time involved in finding them was simply not in the budget. So I chose to cloak them as a whole. Those posts are not gone. You, as members, just cannot see them. This was a strait up resource call on my part. I have only so many minutes a day to 'spend' here, my staff only has so many minutes a day to 'spend' here. And spending that time on picking thru those posts is not a good use of it. So a mass poof of things was done. This has been done a few times in the past when a content heavy poster needed to withdraw or wished their material removed. It's not new policy.
Next, there was no temper tantrum on C.A.B.'s part. This entire mess was just the last thing that tipped him into deciding that he wanted to stop being here. And just like a lot of other long term members that have left us over the years for various reasons, he did just that, leave. It's just that his leaving was much more visible then most due to his sheer post size and volume.
Lastly there is no onus being placed on the moderation team. We've always moderated as a whole, and this was the same. It just rare that we've shown you that we are not always unanimous in our opinions. Instead presenting them as 'Whole' actions. So no issues there.
You know, the only special treatment in this entire experience is that this very thread has been left in Art for everyone here to debate away in. It has no content, and should by all our rules be moved elsewhere. But it felt like it belonged here. So we left it here.
Myriads
Think twice as in the manners that take place here. They could have no aim to begin with to post that kind of content. Yes, people should be clear and stay in the set guidelines. You can say what you want about his hothead attitude and so he's in the wrong. Alright. So he is. But would you say the vast majority of his work implied possible pedophilia? Or that he's posting way more blunt things on Fetlife?
What I'm saying is he's already gone and yet you're throwing dirt on him for good measure. How is that fair? There should be an equal playing field here. If it's cartoons originally meant for children or even stuff that toes a line that close , then why not outlaw children cartoons altogether? Because I'll tell you Minnie Mouse could just as easily be 30 as she could 16. Regardless of what a creator says.
I'm basing my opinion in general on the rules of the art forum and how they have been applied to members thus far. It's true the man is talented. No one doubts that. His contributions to the community are incredible and for free, at that. However, I think you'd be hard pressed to find another artist allowed to post aged minor characters as long as CAB has. I agree that all underage cartoons / cartoons for kids shouldn't be allowed here but I'm not a mod or the tzar. It is indeed a shame that someone who dedicated so much time and energy to the forum was so quick to leave because of a rule. I'm not saying he's a pedophile. I think fun and silliness was his intent the whole time. That said, you can't have rules for some members and not another, no matter their talent or amount of contributions
