what happened to The Golden Rule

[texastickler]

Great post dude! Don't let the trolls get to you, even I know it can get to much some times. Your doing a great thing to the community.

I have descovered there is 2 types of trolls.
The ones on "ordinary" forums are "ordinary trolls".
The ones on fetish forums are sexual frustrated trolls.

Wile others proud out themself and share something, it seems that they only hide and blame us for not daring to live out they're fantasies.

Great response Cavum.

 

[lovestotickle10]

I came here because I was into Tickling and that's it. For producers to post content that simulates non-consensual sexual acts (including Tickling), and then pass that off as okay because the model is (of course) acting is missing the point. This makes all producers of this sort of crap the same as those in mainstream Hollywood or the computer game industry who make violent material, and then take no responsibility for the rise of violence in society.

Ok, I'm sorry but your analogy of the production of violent material in Hollywood is just ridiculous. How can you honestly blame individuals who produce violent media, (i.e., video games, movies, television), for the alleged "rise of violence" in society! These people are artists who are producing a form of media that, while is violent, is clearly aimed at a mature audience. Moreover, there have been numerous sociological studies that have DEBUNKED the so-called connection between violence in the media and violence in society. The bottom line here, which goes for violence in the media and the more recent "violent" forms of tickling media on the TMF: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T WATCH IT! No one is forcing anyone here to actually watch any of the videos submitted on this site. If Skelyrata decides that he wants to submit a video that is portrayed as graphic or disturbing, he has every right to do so, unless it breaks the forum rules. If you disagree with a video or find it distasteful, move along and keep your opinion to yourself if it brings nothing to the table.

Just my two cents,
-lovesto

 

[TropicThunder]

I think the problem here is too many producers have lost the plot, on what this forum was supposed to be about (and at times that includes you Tommy).

I came here because I was into Tickling and that's it. For producers to post content that simulates non-consensual sexual acts (including Tickling), and then pass that off as okay because the model is (of course) acting is missing the point. This makes all producers of this sort of crap the same as those in mainstream Hollywood or the computer game industry who make violent material, and then take no responsibility for the rise of violence in society.

SINCE WHEN WAS THIS FORUM SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT SIMULATING HURTING WOMEN.

Of course none of this in reality is non-consensual, as one the model is being paid, and two would be straight off to the Police afterwards if that was the case. However that is the scenario many producers are promoting/simulating.

Now I have no real beef against Skel as a person, and on the few occasions when I have discussed something on this forum with him, he comes across as an intelligent chap. However like several other producers on here, he now produces material that is basic porn, whilst trying to pass it off as Tickling. So why be surprised when he gets the reaction he does. If I was to hire a model, on the pretext of making some sort of movie, and then fill the screen with my pimply skinny body, and then expect strangers to help me to recoup the majority of the cost of my afternoon of jollies, then I would expect a fair amount of abuse as well.

I know, I know, if you don't like it don't watch it, well basically I try not to anymore when it comes to new content, unless it is made by FRENCH TICKLING (who still remember what Tickling fetish and this forum is supposed to be about).

There are over 100,000 member of this site, and the entire tickling fetish cannot be defined by one person. The tickling fetish is in itself a variety. Not everyone on this forum is into "just tickling" that's not what this forum is all about. If people were into just tickling, then producers like Tommy and Skel wouldn't have such a high volume of sales. That's like saying everyone who like cheese only likes cheddar. Videos involving things like orgasm denial, nudity, seduction, toys etc are all part of the variety of the tickling fetish. And they SELL.

And like Tommy says, it's one thing to say "oh, that video sucks" but it's a whole other matter when you make personal attacks on a producer about personal things, especially family. That's sheer violation.

I myself am guilty of seeing these posts and not reporting them, but I won't be like that anymore.


This is a media sharing forum. That's what the TMF is all about.

 

[WheresThe Clip?]

Ok, I'm sorry but your analogy of the production of violent material in Hollywood is just ridiculous. How can you honestly blame individuals who produce violent media, (i.e., video games, movies, television), for the alleged "rise of violence" in society! These people are artists who are producing a form of media that, while is violent, is clearly aimed at a mature audience. Moreover, there have been numerous sociological studies that have DEBUNKED the so-called connection between violence in the media and violence in society. The bottom line here, which goes for violence in the media and the more recent "violent" forms of tickling media on the TMF: IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T WATCH IT! No one is forcing anyone here to actually watch any of the videos submitted on this site. If Skelyrata decides that he wants to submit a video that is portrayed as graphic or disturbing, he has every right to do so, unless it breaks the forum rules. If you disagree with a video or find it distasteful, move along and keep your opinion to yourself if it brings nothing to the table.

Just my two cents,
-lovesto

Well my two cents is that you are wrong. There is a clear linkage between violent media in society (forgetting about tickle media for the moment) and the rise of violence in the streets and home. Intelligent balanced people like you and me, may see it merely as an entertainment. Less balanced people may be able to use such material as an alternative outlet, to acting on violent impulses within themselves. However for a very small minority (and a small minority can do a lot of damage), violent material gives them a form of legitimacy (as well as ideas) to carry out such acts.

One of the most disgusting phrases that is now in the culture is that of 'ultra violence'. This is not something that people just dreamed up, but something that the entertainment media, in their quest to always up the ante, have created. Read the papers and you will see such acts are now carried out for real more and more.

Apologies for drifting off topic, so just trying to bring it back again. What I would say to Tommy and Skel is, how about producing a video where the model begs the Tickler to keep going.

 

[miskiduk]

When I first got the 'net back in the 90's there was so little material out there. I used to be so fucking pleased just to find a few sorry lo-res images after an hour of searching. I remember how incredible it seemed when Magic Touch started releasing regular preview clips in jerky RM format that took 10 minutes to download (great clips, but gave you a headache to watch!). Basically, I took what there was - and I was grateful.
Now, there's so much stuff just given away for free (let alone what you can buy for just a handful of change). If you want you can practically drown yourself in a sea of tickling nowadays. The sheer quantity, and diversity, now would have dropped me on the spot had it been available back then. Ok, sure, so I only got a piece of coal and a walnut for Christmas 😉 The point is we really have it good now. There's bound to be stuff that some of us love and some of us hate. I really can't get my head around why people can't just not watch the stuff they hate - it's not as if there won't be plenty of stuff they like to keep them occupied and take their minds off it. People busy-bodying into stuff they really ought to ignore is what fuels fucking censorship!
Anyway, most producers are used to getting plenty of critics and are professional enough (and sadly fairly well war-torn) to let it get to them. When you start to see the most popular producers driven to the point they feel it necessary to start a thread like this, then it's time to worry. We really want more producers encouraged into the market, not try our best to piss off the ones that are here.
Maybe I'm wrong, but I would think most producers are glad to have some negative feedback. A little explanation and reasoning behind your comments might even end up getting you some stuff you do like from them. Maybe not, but then there's always all the others to choose from.
Did people really used to get just a piece of coal and a walnut for Christmas? Actually I doubt it, but substitute that for 'tickle-content' and that sums up how great things have become over the last decade.
Why should I care? Well, I don't want anyone to fuck it up for me.

 

[miskiduk]

how about producing a video where the model begs the Tickler to keep going.

Yes, that would be really hot now I come to think about it. Great idea, has it been done? Anyone?

 

[c7_assassin]

The self-appointed defenders of the 'weaker sex' really need to take a step back and realize that the purpose of art is to express fantasies. Many of those fantasies will be non-consensual; that's true of both men and women.

The idea that this will lead to people actually carrying out the acts depicted is completely baseless. Do you ever notice, the people who say this never lump themselves into the group that shouldn't be allowed to see such images; they're never worried it's going to corrupt their own moral sense or cause them to act out in some horrible way. Instead, it's all those shifty others out there we have to be afraid of.

See, this kind of hysteria crops up all the time, and it's always just an expression of prejudices against certain groups of people. It's why white people thought 'negroes' needed to be segregated in order to protect white women; it's why women thought that drinking whiskey caused moral decay in men; it's why older people thought pot would turn young people into hooligans, and then there was rock music...and a lot of people also have anxieties about porn, because they imagine that the people watching it are filthy sexual deviants who probably have no respect for women or know the difference between fantasy and reality. I hate to genrealize, but this is usually women expressing their own latent fears about men.

I obviously only get "loud" when I see or read what looks like real abuse.

See, if these people actually had any respect for women, they'd stop framing them as essentially weak and vulnerable to the point that fantasy depictions of socially taboo acts involving women have to be attacked, unless the producer makes some token gesture of submission to the forces of political correctness. And if they had the capacity for serious reflection, they'd realize that men are not apes, and we're not about to rape or kidnap a woman, even if we watch it happen in a fucking video.

Anyway, Tommy, don't take any shit from these people. They're the ones who need an attitude adjustment. I love your work, please keep it up.

EDIT:

Case in point:

Intelligent balanced people like you and me, may see it merely as an entertainment. Less balanced people may be able to use such material as an alternative outlet, to acting on violent impulses within themselves. However for a very small minority (and a small minority can do a lot of damage), violent material gives them a form of legitimacy (as well as ideas) to carry out such acts.

Hilarious, isn't it? As if it would never occur to a criminal to hurt someone until they saw it happen in a video clip. You know what's the best predictor of future violent actions? Past violent actions. The people you're talking about grew up being hurt, hurting others, hitting down, and committing an escalating series of violent crimes. They did not watch porn and go crazy. Christ.

This from someone who admits to liking A Man With a Maid:

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=114185

Hypocrisy at all?

 

[Babbles]

Responsible fantasy, yes. Personal insults no. But WTC has a point.

.....I wish people would follow our example and instead of kidnapping and beating and raping women for real, they would hire a hooker, or a mistress and set some rules for roleplaying. This would be a lot of a better world if everybody did that. A world where people were tought not to repress their basic instinct but to channel them out in a controlled and fun environment.

This forum is not about hurting women, or men. This forum is about the arts of tickle torture and to explore all aspect that surrounds that fantasy, including sex, love, romance, cries, roleplaying games, "non-con play", etc.

The importance here is that rules are set before the filming starts.

Have you read all the members that want to see a model tickle tortured to tears?

Members are entitled to express their opinion about a clip, but stick to the clip and do not get personal. I think thats the message of this thread.

That should've been the message of this thread, but I was already referred to as an "asshole" for a reasonable statement about a producer's perspective after he was unnecessarily snarky for no reason.

If I had put out a video claiming to be *real non-con to ANY extent --- or if I had made stupid comments about someone's appearance --- THEN I'd have easily earned the title, boasting real abuse --- but that was far from the case.

If someone produces a video that states and seems --- realistically, with crying and protesting --- that the lee didn't know what she was in for, and that there was non-con involved --- that's actively promoting harm to women.
That says, this is ok ---- and here it is broadcast with no consequences
and there ARE several videos or producers who still have material up which is considered possible real non-con, even if it's older.

Those productions go well beyond living out a fantasy responsibly.

That's where WheresTheClip has a point --- some of it appears to be tolerated (or requested) though it seems to be real, whether it's older or not.

Unfortunately as you said yourself, there are those who ask for extremes --- and that's fine ---- but there are also too many who have asked for real non-con, and that's disturbing.
And I've seen them publicly refer each other to the seemingly real abusive videos I mention above.

You're right, we're all here hopefully to explore and share fantasies to (practically any extreme, without damage...) with willing adults who fully agree & know what they're in for, hopefully with safeguards especially if they haven't done it before.

Your advertising hasn't always been the most responsible either, to be honest, and you had me wondering more than once,
but at least you cleared it up quickly in the thread/s in question, to my knowledge. By the time I saw it you'd clarified it.

You didn't just sling snide comments from another corner of the forum, you were forthright and addressed the problem directly.

That's greatly appreciated.

*Now I know to look and see to some extent if a model's been through it before, and is returning for more, and I'm aware of more cues which reveal there's acting rather than unwilling suffering ---- and I'm still no connaisseur, but I shouldn't need to be either

Concern for newbies, and for appearances was mentioned ---- we have to ask, how do these vids look to those who aren't as well versed? To someone who's just beginning to explore?

Many of these do have more obvious clues that there's willing acting going on, but some of these productions (all around) look bad, and make us look like abusive freaks regardless.

Which is why I don't think it's unreasonable for there to be disclaimers stating no one was ignorant or unwilling to any extent, not to kill the fantasy but at least not to promote abuse. Or make us really look like freaks.

 

[mustang]

Ever heard of a type of person whose mouth is much, much, much larger than their brain? Well, now you have. Lay off of Tommy. Go nag somewhere else.

 

[Babbles]

That was just obnoxious.

C7assassin

The hypocrisy & exaggerated imagination is all yours. There's a minor difference between

a book... and a *video....

with real women (or men, though it's usually women) who appear to be

tricked into enduring real torture for an extended time. There's been much discussion about this for good reason --- if someone's agreed to part of it, and not all of it, and has signed a release not fully knowing what was involved, etc. ---- there are many realistic scenarios, clever inventions or not

(that's why it sells as real Non-Con... it's convincing on many levels...)

I've watched & read the fantasy because I share it, many obviously want Non-Con in THEORY, I'd hope you'd be among them --- your argument is invalid, no one is faulting the FANTASY

If I don't like it (I hate Nylon Dungeon for example, brilliant writing but pure malevolent sadism, sucked the fun right out of it, for me)
--- I didn't comment. Except here, to make the point where necessary. I said nothing in those threads.

Your assumptions are also off. I AM a woman, I have no problem with men, I haven't been abused, 🙄 just a couple of BRIEF unpleasant encounters with assholes ---- like those here who DO THINK they can grab or pin someone for 5 minutes ---- that showed me this can be torture, and I can't imagine anyone having to put up with it for 10, 20, 30, 60 minutes if unwilling. Especially if tied down, thinking they're there for a photo shoot or something light.

Irresponsible advertising is the point (well actually it's a tangent I'm replying to)

and yes there are apes here who do think that's acceptable behavior Virginia.

The point should be
some abuse verbally, some abuse physically, neither is supposed to be acceptable when presented seriously.
Either by or towards a producer, a viewer, or a model.

Ever heard of a type of person whose mouth is much, much, much larger than their brain? Well, now you have. Lay off of Tommy. Go nag somewhere else.

Speaking of which --- that makes no sense, I'm replying to an attack with reasonable detail.
Quite unlike yourself. I've seen you make pointlessly unpleasant remarks rather often, so you're not helping anyone here since there's certainly no data or detail to be found in your resentful grunting.

 

[silversurf828]

People will always love and hate the best.
I cant believe that people take the time to post such negative comments. It's not constructive criticism, its being a douche. They go out of their way to say a vid is terrible or the model isnt everything they want and more. Just keep it to yourself, no one is making you buy the clips.
Keep up the good work!

 

[herts tickler]

yes tommy! unfortunatly people on here can be dicks just like everywhere else. dont feel like you have to leave here for those lowlifes! you know your much more welcome and appreciated than they are.

that goes for all you producers who have been getting stick. selling clips? then someone obviously likes what your doing. pay attention to that and not the other scummers

much love xxx

 

[Comfort Eagle]

This from someone who admits to liking A Man With a Maid:

http://www.ticklingforum.com/showthread.php?t=114185

Hypocrisy at all?

Hey that sounds interesting lemme just Google tha-

lures women he knows into a kind of erotic torture chamber, called "The Snuggery", in his house, and takes considerable pride in meticulously-planned rapes which he describes in minute detail.

 

[porcelaindoll2]

Can People Please Stop Judging? Thanks

Look I buy a lot of clips from C4S and I know what I like and dislike. So guess what? I only buy what I like! Gee! Wow! What a concept! There are a lot of producers out there that I just don't like, but obviously someone does or they still wouldn't be posting preview clips on TMF. If there is a producer out there that you absolutely cannot stand, then best advice just move on with your life and leave the poor person alone. Why must you feel compelled to be harsh to them? Do you think you'll be able change them into something you like? They are so many other producers out there, so why bother? Honestly just let them do there thing and do it in peace! They can't force you to buy their clips. If you buy one and don't like it then ask for a refund.
I also would like to add that I am a huge feminist bitch, but I am not an idiot! I know that the clips are fanatsy and being geared towards men.

P.S. Noo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't go Tommy!!!! I love you too much!!! Best f/m clips out there (Well in my opinion).

 

[miskiduk]

Hey that sounds interesting lemme just Google tha-

PMSL. That facial expression had me in stitches. Maybe I'm just way too easily amused.

 

[c7_assassin]

Irresponsible advertising is the point (well actually it's a tangent I'm replying to)

and yes there are apes here who do think that's acceptable behavior Virginia.

I get that that's the point. Since what you're referring to is illegal and would result in the producer going to jail, and not being allowed to sell his footage, by definition you're not talking about real abuse. You're attacking only the fake stuff. You find me obnoxious; I find you ridiculous.

Also, did you just call me Virginia?

 

[ftkl_haha]

Very well-stated and insightful post, Tommy. And even before reading the replies, I knew it would echo the thoughts of other producers here on the TMF. I've seen other producers leave and have even been tempted to do so myself.

I hope that this forum, which really does represent the best of the tickling community, comes back around to what it was. The Golden Rule HAS indeed become tarnished. I'm not going to rant about it. Anyone who wants to know why I think so, can PM me.

It IS good to see producers sticking up for each other, though. In the end, we're all in this together.

 

[Myriads]

Hello folks,

There is a lot to discuss in this thread. And I hope to sum up a lot of it in the post below.

First things first. If you are in this thread pushing some agenda about a topic that is not in Tommy's opening post, take it on the road and start your own thread. Too often I and staff see the same names popping into threads to derail them with tail-chasing arguments that we've seen a dozen times before. Stop doing it.

Next up. Trolls. Yup we got them. Like bedbugs you can spray and spray and the things pop back up again. Some are just well meaning, but inept folks, others are just inept, and some are mean and out to 'have fun' by stirring the pot. Tommy has encountered all three in the past few days. Does it suck? Yes. It is annoying? Yes. Do we deal with it? Yes, in the ways we have found work.

Inept folks need to be educated to shut up, phrase things better, or be taught that their 'help' is not being helpful. Staff and I spend a lot of time gently correcting such folks behind the scenes, editing threads, and so forth. It takes time. With human variety comes a lot of levels of social skill.

Real trolls get stepped on by me pretty fast these days. The years where I was a tolerant Tzar and offered a lot of chances passed a few years back, and I tend to just hammer problems now once I decide that there is a pattern of 'game playing'. These folks just vanish. I'm sure all of you can think of some names that were about then were not. However I don't always toss a problem person into this group quickly. Over the years I've come to know that some folks are just caustic, and need to be yoked back on occasion by me, others hit a bad patch in life and act up here out of frustration and need to be heard and handled as hurt folks so they can heal and become good members again.

I'm not big on final actions. I try and see people as individual cases that deserve individual solutions.

And for those who think it's arbitrary? Well here is a news flash. I and my staff are not robotic machines that follow some set of rules I wrote to the letter without any thought. Almost every moderation action here is unique and requires interpretation of our rules and policies. So you will see variance and such in our actions. Because we do not think one size fits all. We try and see you each as individuals not just a member name to deal with and move on to the next thing.

All that said, I and staff will never be able to make the forum the land of rainbows and soft corners. There will be ass-hat posts. There will be conflict and there will be annoyance. In its way that is a sign of an active healthy community that is diverse.

Is the forum 'meaner' or 'darker' or such now?

Yes and no. One of the things that the TMF has taught me is that social systems are always in a state of change.

One of the TMF's most distinct aspects is the feeling of community that grew here. It's been something that makes the forum different from other porn sites on the web. It makes the forum a great place.

However in the past two years Facebook has joined the scene. And a lot of the interaction that members used to share here on the TMF, they have taken to FB in small private circles. This has removed a bit of the activity from the forum that make the place seem 'brighter' and 'happier' and interestingly left the folks who have always been negative or problems behind. They are just as active as they were, but they now are more visible because there is less of the other good stuff around them to provide cover.

So things are pretty much the same. It's the presentation and perceptions that are shifting how you guys see it.

The forum will always be a product of the active posters. If you feel it's not positive, what might I ask have you posted in GenDis, Silly Stuff, Sports, P&R or here in Tickling Discussion to make it different? Have you reached out to new members to make them feel welcome? Get them involved? Help them find their way, as others did for you and others over the years past? Have you played in one of my challenge threads? Started a game of your own? What have you done?

The forum will tend to give back what you put in. I've seen that again and again.

As always, if you see problems, tell me about them. Report them. This does not always mean the solution will match what you want, but someone does check on things. And often edits them. A lot of things get handled every day with no one noticing.

We've done our best for ten years to offer a free platform for the community, for producers, and for anyone who wants to be a good part of it. No one here gets paid, no one here makes anything off the place. Costs match Ad revenue and often exceed it.

We are very aware how much the forum means to many. We do our best to make it a good place for them within the limits of what resources we have to spend.

Hopefully we'll be able to continue to do so.

Myriads

 

[BlackestLily]

Very well said Myriads. 🙂

 

[badreligion]

Hello folks,

There is a lot to discuss in this thread. And I hope to sum up a lot of it in the post below.

First things first. If you are in this thread pushing some agenda about a topic that is not in Tommy's opening post, take it on the road and start your own thread. Too often I and staff see the same names popping into threads to derail them with tail-chasing arguments that we've seen a dozen times before. Stop doing it.

Next up. Trolls. Yup we got them. Like bedbugs you can spray and spray and the things pop back up again. Some are just well meaning, but inept folks, others are just inept, and some are mean and out to 'have fun' by stirring the pot. Tommy has encountered all three in the past few days. Does it suck? Yes. It is annoying? Yes. Do we deal with it? Yes, in the ways we have found work.

Inept folks need to be educated to shut up, phrase things better, or be taught that their 'help' is not being helpful. Staff and I spend a lot of time gently correcting such folks behind the scenes, editing threads, and so forth. It takes time. With human variety comes a lot of levels of social skill.

Real trolls get stepped on by me pretty fast these days. The years where I was a tolerant Tzar and offered a lot of chances passed a few years back, and I tend to just hammer problems now once I decide that there is a pattern of 'game playing'. These folks just vanish. I'm sure all of you can think of some names that were about then were not. However I don't always toss a problem person into this group quickly. Over the years I've come to know that some folks are just caustic, and need to be yoked back on occasion by me, others hit a bad patch in life and act up here out of frustration and need to be heard and handled as hurt folks so they can heal and become good members again.

I'm not big on final actions. I try and see people as individual cases that deserve individual solutions.

And for those who think it's arbitrary? Well here is a news flash. I and my staff are not robotic machines that follow some set of rules I wrote to the letter without any thought. Almost every moderation action here is unique and requires interpretation of our rules and policies. So you will see variance and such in our actions. Because we do not think one size fits all. We try and see you each as individuals not just a member name to deal with and move on to the next thing.

All that said, I and staff will never be able to make the forum the land of rainbows and soft corners. There will be ass-hat posts. There will be conflict and there will be annoyance. In its way that is a sign of an active healthy community that is diverse.

Is the forum 'meaner' or 'darker' or such now?

Yes and no. One of the things that the TMF has taught me is that social systems are always in a state of change.

One of the TMF's most distinct aspects is the feeling of community that grew here. It's been something that makes the forum different from other porn sites on the web. It makes the forum a great place.

However in the past two years Facebook has joined the scene. And a lot of the interaction that members used to share here on the TMF, they have taken to FB in small private circles. This has removed a bit of the activity from the forum that make the place seem 'brighter' and 'happier' and interestingly left the folks who have always been negative or problems behind. They are just as active as they were, but they now are more visible because there is less of the other good stuff around them to provide cover.

So things are pretty much the same. It's the presentation and perceptions that are shifting how you guys see it.

The forum will always be a product of the active posters. If you feel it's not positive, what might I ask have you posted in GenDis, Silly Stuff, Sports, P&R or here in Tickling Discussion to make it different? Have you reached out to new members to make them feel welcome? Get them involved? Help them find their way, as others did for you and others over the years past? Have you played in one of my challenge threads? Started a game of your own? What have you done?

The forum will tend to give back what you put in. I've seen that again and again.

As always, if you see problems, tell me about them. Report them. This does not always mean the solution will match what you want, but someone does check on things. And often edits them. A lot of things get handled every day with no one noticing.

We've done our best for ten years to offer a free platform for the community, for producers, and for anyone who wants to be a good part of it. No one here gets paid, no one here makes anything off the place. Costs match Ad revenue and often exceed it.

We are very aware how much the forum means to many. We do our best to make it a good place for them within the limits of what resources we have to spend.

Hopefully we'll be able to continue to do so.

Myriads

I disagree 100% with you .

 

[Imlatino]

Some people are just overly rude sometimes. I don't know why, they should remember to say something nice or say nothing at all. This forum is the best forum out there and we should keep it that way!

 

[gigglemakr]

Tommy: As a long-time buyer of your clips, I sincerely hope that you do not leave TMF. It is a pretty big club now, and it is inevitable that you are going to find nasty (and stupid) commentary from time to time. However, I think the vast majority of TMFrs (some of whom I have met at NEST) are really great people who enjoy our fetish and who buy the videos that they like, and pass on the ones they don't like without the need to trash the vid or the producer in public. I am with Texastickler ( a friend from NEST) on this in wanting you to keep on going.

A couple of thoughts on "Babbles". She definitely is......uuuhhh......SHRILL. Funny because I think I met her at NEST a few years ago "observing" the scene, as she told me in conversation. I guess she didn't like what she saw. But my recollection is that she was very attractive and pleasant, so these recent rants are a surprise to me. If I'm mistaken, Babbles, you have my apology right now.

 

[ZenTickling]

I think the mods do a decent job of keeping the mob in line, but sometimes there's only so much they can do. I took Myriad's advice when a certain member was harassing me in each thread: I ignored him. Worked out pretty well.

People don't realize how difficult is to produce clips. It's fun, but there's a lot of shit to deal with. Sometimes we spend a great deal of time and energy finding models, scheduling shoots, editing and posting clips and previews. Then we have to put up with unjust or disrespectful criticisms and having our work pirated. We lose a ton in sales (certain producers more than others) because people feel they have the right to post a clip that they purchased all over the web. It's bullshit.. it's frustrating.. and I know it makes me feel like just quitting.

I love all the mods.. what they do and what they allow us to do on this site is fantastic.. but I totally understand where Tommy is coming from. Especially considering some of the copyright issues that we have been working on (probably in vain).

 

[badreligion]

I think the mods do a decent job of keeping the mob in line, but sometimes there's only so much they can do. I took Myriad's advice when a certain member was harassing me in each thread: I ignored him. Worked out pretty well.

People don't realize how difficult is to produce clips. It's fun, but there's a lot of shit to deal with. Sometimes we spend a great deal of time and energy finding models, scheduling shoots, editing and posting clips and previews. Then we have to put up with unjust or disrespectful criticisms and having our work pirated. We lose a ton in sales (certain producers more than others) because people feel they have the right to post a clip that they purchased all over the web. It's bullshit.. it's frustrating.. and I know it makes me feel like just quitting.

I love all the mods.. what they do and what they allow us to do on this site is fantastic.. but I totally understand where Tommy is coming from. Especially considering some of the copyright issues that we have been working on (probably in vain).

Welcome to the Internet .

 

[Vidian Vixen]

Ive been getting the same impression and as a new member (less then 3 weeks) its a huge turn off. I actually made a post about the rudeness also..its very sad. People with similar interest cant even get along or be nice...Im sure thats not what this site was made for. Im sorry for you experience and hope it gets better for everyone 🙂

Vidian