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What's your heritage?

It depends whom you ask. :cool2:

Pretty much... Being Jewish can be merely a religious trait, an ethnic trait, or both.

Some people are ethnically Jewish but don't practice Judaism, others are converts who practice Judaism, while still others are ethnically Jewish and practice Judaism.

Wikipedia lists 14 major groups of ethnic Jews. They are: Ashkenazi, Sephardi, Mizrahi, Romaniote, Italki, Yemenite, Bukharan, Khazars, African Jews, Georgian Jews, Juvuro (Mountain Jews/Caucasus Jews), Indian Jews, Chinese Jews, and Crypto-Jews (which aren't really an ethnic group specifically).

Crypto-Jews are really just Jews who openly practice another religion to fit into the society they live in but secretly practice Judaism to avoid prejudice and persecution.
 
My dad's 1/4 German, 1/4 Swedish, and 1/2 Danish. My mom is 100% German. So that makes me 1/8 Swedish, 1/4 Danish, and 5/8 German. :D
 
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Mostly English with a smattering of other European ethnicities.
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Ok, enough others have answered so now I will.

My Grandfather was German, Grandmother Scandinavian/English on my dads side.
So my dad is 1/2 German, 1/4 Scandinavian, 1/4 English

My Grandmother and Grandfather on my mothers side were both 100% Mexican.
So my Mom is 100% Mexican!

Making me:
1/2 Mexican, 1/4 German, 1/8 Scandinavian, 1/8 English

Rob
 
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From my mother's side I'm Irish and Swiss Italian

On my Dad's side I'm German, French, English, American Indian, Dutch, Austrian

ok....I'm a Heinz 57 Variety aka a mutt.
 
Polish and Native American on my mothers side (50 percent pole, 50 mix of Indian). On my fathers, Native American. So I have the Polish nose and Indian cheek bones. I am odd. : )
 
Polish and Native American on my mothers side (50 percent pole, 50 mix of Indian). On my fathers, Native American. So I have the Polish nose and Indian cheek bones. I am odd. : )

And a beautiful set of cheek bones :Kiss2:
 
My descendants are originally Scandinavian. It's pretty easy to pinpoint where they came from since once they landed in the US (orange county, SC to be exact, which is where my parents came from) the family tree stopped branching and turned back into a family stump. In my line was a stained glass artisan from Norway and supposedly my geneology can be traced back to a few viking tyrants, most namely Erik Bloodaxe, second king of Norway.

---> Hooray for pink ear hair? :yayzorz:<-----
 
My descendants are originally Scandinavian. It's pretty easy to pinpoint where they came from since once they landed in the US (orange county, SC to be exact, which is where my parents came from) the family tree stopped branching and turned back into a family stump. In my line was a stained glass artisan from Norway and supposedly my geneology can be traced back to a few viking tyrants, most namely Erik Bloodaxe, second king of Norway.

---> Hooray for pink ear hair? :yayzorz:<-----

Your majesty!:upsidedow

Interesting.
 
Irish/Norwegian A true fighter! The Irish fought themselves and the Norwegians fought everybody else. :slapfight:
 
English on my Dad's side with a little Cherokee for flavor.

^_^ That's me.

Misanthropic pseudointellectual is misanthropic. I tend to agree that attaching too much import to your heritage and ancestry is a bad thing, but at the same time I don't really think there's anything wrong with wanting to learn about your family history. As long as you DON'T allow your heritage to have any bearing on you as an individual (because it is, ultimately, irrelevant to you as an individual) it's all good.

Agreed.

Polish and Native American on my mothers side (50 percent pole, 50 mix of Indian). On my fathers, Native American. So I have the Polish nose and Indian cheek bones. I am odd. : )

Do you know what denomination of Native American?



As for me, I'm overwhelmingly English, with a splash of Cherokee.

I also have a teensy bit of Welsh, German, Scottish, Irish, etc. but I really don't count them. I'm mostly English and Cherokee.
 
k.. can still have pride in where ya came from
-punkrockgirl
How? Usually pride comes from successful accomplishment or some other validating merit, not simply the virtue of being related to someone/thing. And when you look at the history of people with records extensive enough to trace, most of their accomplishments aren't things to be proud of.

On top of that, usually being proud of your culture/ethnicity carries with it certain obligations of propitiation and loyalty, in particular the greatness of your culture over others by emphasizing your accomplishments and the failures or shortcomings of others.

As long as you DON'T allow your heritage to have any bearing on you as an individual (because it is, ultimately, irrelevant to you as an individual) it's all good.
- MisterScruff
How exactly does that work? If you acknowledge your heritage, then it has an effect on your self-perception, which influences the choices you make and the beliefs you have. And that is how traditionalists can guilt trip people into doing things that have long-term consequences for short-term ideological satisfaction. And even if somehow you could manage to do what you suggest, there's no guarantee that your descendants will be as open-minded. If history's any teacher, they'll regress to their more primitive, hostile tribal perceptions armed with modern technology and an agenda to avenge past grievances, usually ones that have an emphasis on dishonor or insult.

The only way to escape the fallout of the past is to sever the ties with the traits that influence us to relive them.

Um...I hear what you're saying, but I'm glad Alex Haley didn't see things this way
- Bella
Point taken, but Haley had a good reason...African descendants had little to no written history and the documentation of their abuse and oppression was deplorably scarce. By writing Roots among other works, he brought attention to a cultivated cultural ignorance largely brought on by strong adherence to ethnic pride and identity...which led them to exalt themselves at the expense of another culture. THAT is the cost of heritage, and his work sought to help people learn from those mistakes and fix the flaws in society.

Ethnicity and heritage are simply too dangerous to keep around. They are additional stratification tags that over time, provoke resurgences in nationalistic and ethnic purism movements. While they don't have to be as organized and violent as Nazi Germany, we see pocket movements of similar mindset the world over, including America. Because heritage carries with it an inflated self-important heroism, however dormant, that always draws people back to primitive ways and/or views, and we see ourselves and each other in terms of opposition or by how closely they ritualistically exhibit their loyalty to the group. And this kind of group unanimity preys on the most vulnerable parts of the human mind, making us capable of minor and major cruelties and barbarism in the name of honor or sacred.
 
As long as you DON'T allow your heritage to have any bearing on you as an individual (because it is, ultimately, irrelevant to you as an individual) it's all good.
- MisterScruff

How exactly does that work?

My mum's from the Highlands of Scotland. I recognise this fact, yet I don't use it as an excuse to wear a kilt or affect a Scottish accent or eat porridge just because that's what actual folk from the Highlands do. My great granny was from Cork; apparently I had a great uncle killed in the Easter Rebellion. I've therefore got a pretty strong familial attachement to the Irish Republican cause, yet I don't feel compelled to support violence in the name of free Ireland. Conversely, my dad's side of the family are all from Lancashire and are thus as English as Alfred The Great (lol irony) yet I'm not about to hail to the Chimp at Buckingham Palace just because historically that's what Old Lancastrians do. You can acknowledge your heritage without being a slave to it.
 
How? Usually pride comes from successful accomplishment or some other validating merit, not simply the virtue of being related to someone/thing. And when you look at the history of people with records extensive enough to trace, most of their accomplishments aren't things to be proud of.

On top of that, usually being proud of your culture/ethnicity carries with it certain obligations of propitiation and loyalty, in particular the greatness of your culture over others by emphasizing your accomplishments and the failures or shortcomings of others.

How exactly does that work? If you acknowledge your heritage, then it has an effect on your self-perception, which influences the choices you make and the beliefs you have. And that is how traditionalists can guilt trip people into doing things that have long-term consequences for short-term ideological satisfaction. And even if somehow you could manage to do what you suggest, there's no guarantee that your descendants will be as open-minded. If history's any teacher, they'll regress to their more primitive, hostile tribal perceptions armed with modern technology and an agenda to avenge past grievances, usually ones that have an emphasis on dishonor or insult.

The only way to escape the fallout of the past is to sever the ties with the traits that influence us to relive them.


Point taken, but Haley had a good reason...African descendants had little to no written history and the documentation of their abuse and oppression was deplorably scarce. By writing Roots among other works, he brought attention to a cultivated cultural ignorance largely brought on by strong adherence to ethnic pride and identity...which led them to exalt themselves at the expense of another culture. THAT is the cost of heritage, and his work sought to help people learn from those mistakes and fix the flaws in society.

Ethnicity and heritage are simply too dangerous to keep around. They are additional stratification tags that over time, provoke resurgences in nationalistic and ethnic purism movements. While they don't have to be as organized and violent as Nazi Germany, we see pocket movements of similar mindset the world over, including America. Because heritage carries with it an inflated self-important heroism, however dormant, that always draws people back to primitive ways and/or views, and we see ourselves and each other in terms of opposition or by how closely they ritualistically exhibit their loyalty to the group. And this kind of group unanimity preys on the most vulnerable parts of the human mind, making us capable of minor and major cruelties and barbarism in the name of honor or sacred.

I hear what you're saying and don't neccessarily disagee with what you say on the whole.

But the fact of the matter is, you can't change what you are or where you come from.

If your ancestory is from France, there's nothing wrong with saying 'I'm French'.

You are what you are.

What you make of it is a different matter.
 
My mom is 100% Czech and my dad is 1/2 French 1/4 Irish and 1/4 German so that makes me 1/2 Czech 1/4 French, 1/8 Irish and 1/8 German...
 
I'm German. Just German. Born here, live here, will probably die here. :)

Although I have heard that my great-grandmother came from Romania and my great-grandfather from Austria.
 
Kiss me. I'm Irish. :)

Well, and British, Dutch, German.. all that good stuff.
 
Pop was French/Irish and Cherokee. Mom was 100% Sicicilian.
XOXO
 
Hmm a good mixture of Scots-Irish, British, Native American, Danish, and Dutch :). On both sides of my family it dates my family has been in the US since at least 1650 ^_^!
 
There is no such thing as 1/3 in ancestry; all fractions have denominators which are powers of 2. :p

As for me, my father's ancestors came from Barcelona originally. In 1492, they were expelled from Spain by Ferdinand and Isabella for being Jewish and settled in Salonika. Many generations later, my paternal grandparents were born in Salonika when it was still part of the Ottoman Empire in the 1880's. They came to New York in 1910. (The city of their birth is now part of Greece and now named Thessaloniki.)

My mother's parents were born in the 1890's in the town of Kolomeia which was then in the province of Galicia of the Empire of Austria-Hungary. Her father and mother came to New York in 1910 and 1914 respectively. (That town is now part of Ukraine. It was, at various times, ruled by Poland, Russia, Germany, and Russia again.)

That's so specific, Milagros...did you do some proper research or do you have one of those groovy families who pass along the oral history over dinner?
 
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